Is Ultimate Hulk weaker then Earth-616 Hulk

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#1 Posted by Blob (656 posts) - - Show Bio

A common belief is that Earth-616 versions of characters are stronger then their Ultimate universe counterparts. From what I've seen Ultimate Hulk doesn't seem to be any weaker.
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#2 Posted by kneel before doom (319 posts) - - Show Bio

Not really. Ultimate thing is stronger, Ultimate cap is stronger.
I think that Ultimate Hulk have a higher base strength, but 616 Hulk can be stronger if he is mad enough

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#3 Posted by Blob (656 posts) - - Show Bio
@kneel before doom said:
"Not really. Ultimate thing is stronger, Ultimate cap is stronger. I think that Ultimate Hulk have a higher base strength, but 616 Hulk can be stronger if he is mad enough "

But doesn't Ultimate Hulk's strength increase with more rage too?
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#4 Posted by King Hercules (1253 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. He is more like 616's Grey Hulk. And he can get stronger but his base strength is weaker.

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#5 Posted by Venom-Hulker_1 (1669 posts) - - Show Bio

He has a base strength of 50 tons while 616 has 100 tons, His Skin is More durable than 616's and is durable enough to break something like an adamantium needle, HIs fighting is much more grittier than 616 Grey Hulk, and makes grey hulk's fights look like a walk through the park. He is also a Cannibal and eats human Flesh. Also his Strength increases with anger

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#6 Posted by kneel before doom (319 posts) - - Show Bio
@Venom-Hulker_1 said:
" He has a base strength of 50 tons while 616 has 100 tons, His Skin is More durable than 616's and is durable enough to break something like an adamantium needle, HIs fighting is much more grittier than 616 Grey Hulk, and makes grey hulk's fights look like a walk through the park. He is also a Cannibal and eats human Flesh. Also his Strength increases with anger "
Ultimate Hulk was 100+ from the start
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#7 Posted by Venom-Hulker_1 (1669 posts) - - Show Bio
@kneel before doom said:
" @Venom-Hulker_1 said:
" He has a base strength of 50 tons while 616 has 100 tons, His Skin is More durable than 616's and is durable enough to break something like an adamantium needle, HIs fighting is much more grittier than 616 Grey Hulk, and makes grey hulk's fights look like a walk through the park. He is also a Cannibal and eats human Flesh. Also his Strength increases with anger "
Ultimate Hulk was 100+ from the start "
in "The Incredible Hulk: The Ultimate Guide" it is stated that his base strength is 50 tons and can rise
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#8 Posted by kneel before doom (319 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by Venom-Hulker_1 (1669 posts) - - Show Bio
@kneel before doom said:
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what's that supposed to mean?
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#10 Posted by kneel before doom (319 posts) - - Show Bio
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what's that supposed to mean? "
Level 7=instant class 100+
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#11 Posted by sora_thekey (8812 posts) - - Show Bio
@kneel before doom said:
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what's that supposed to mean? "
Level 7=instant class 100+ "

But isn't 616 Hulk Level 7?
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#12 Posted by kneel before doom (319 posts) - - Show Bio
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what's that supposed to mean? "
Level 7=instant class 100+ "
But isn't 616 Hulk Level 7? "
Yeah, but 616 Hulk has lower strength 
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#13 Posted by Mr.Hulk_Smashin'! (2663 posts) - - Show Bio
@kneel before doom said:
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what's that supposed to mean? "
Level 7=instant class 100+ "

No it doesn't necessarily mean that, Grey Hulk's a Level seven and he's only 70 tons base strength, It mean that their strength can rise.
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#14 Posted by Venom-Hulker_1 (1669 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr.Hulk_Smashin'! said:
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what's that supposed to mean? "
Level 7=instant class 100+ "
No it doesn't necessarily mean that, Grey Hulk's a Level seven and he's only 70 tons base strength, It mean that their strength can rise. "
True Juggernaut is a Level seven and his base strength is 90 tons
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#15 Posted by DEGRAAF (8425 posts) - - Show Bio

is ultimate hulk still alive? They have that new african american hulk comin out that looks like Mr. T. Will ultimate hulk (if he is alive) kills the new one?
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#16 Posted by _Incarnate_ (32 posts) - - Show Bio
@kneel before doom said:
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what's that supposed to mean? "
Level 7=instant class 100+ "
But isn't 616 Hulk Level 7? "
Yeah, but 616 Hulk has lower strength  "
Can you prove that?
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#17 Posted by Bor (749 posts) - - Show Bio
@Venom-Hulker_1:  What ? Jugg is in class 100. Dont make me laugh.
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#18 Posted by Venom-Hulker_1 (1669 posts) - - Show Bio
@Bor said:
" @Venom-Hulker_1:  What ? Jugg is in class 100. Dont make me laugh. "
When he has no reason to raise his strength it's lower than Green Hulk's
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#19 Posted by TheBatmeme368 (62 posts) - - Show Bio

@venom_hulker_1:Guidebooks should only be used when they don't contradict the source material, and in this case, it does contradict it. Further more, 50 tons doesn't really mean 50 tons; "It should be noted that these values are strictly there for officially comparing different characters in relation to each other, and not remotely to be taken literally. For example, certain characters who have been listed at "95" or "100" tons at some point have demonstrated a planetary level of strength, and even Spider-Man has moved thousands of tonnes on occasion."

It doesn't provide a source, but it doesn't make sense otherwise. For example, Carol Danvers is listed at 70 tons, but can support buildings.

Ultimate Hulk has destroyed skyscrapers and caused magnitude 8.9 earthquakes, which is equivalent to 340 megatons of TNT, capable of destroying mountains.

Unfortunately, he's still far weaker than Earth-616 Hulk, who, in a weaker form, destroyed an asteroidtwice the size of Earth. He's also empowered a force field that temporarily halted the Celestial Exitar, who was much larger than the Earth.

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#20 Posted by Cognitive (1888 posts) - - Show Bio

By feats he's a lot weaker.

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#21 Posted by The_living_tribunal_24 (6689 posts) - - Show Bio

Boys are we trying to scale blue marvel to hulk?

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#22 Posted by Battle123axe (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

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#23 Edited by theacidskull (22026 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Hulk is significantly weaker.

@battle123axe said:

generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

Stalemate? Didn't he get wrecked?

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#24 Posted by RabumAlal (5314 posts) - - Show Bio

Much weaker than 616.

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#25 Posted by Battle123axe (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Hulk is significantly weaker.

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generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

Stalemate? Didn't he get wrecked?

I'm pretty sure they stalemated or very close

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#26 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:

Ultimate Hulk is significantly weaker.

@battle123axe said:

generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

Stalemate? Didn't he get wrecked?

I'm pretty sure they stalemated or very close

Eh, Doc Green literally punched him from San Francisco to Alcatraz, so wile the fight didn't end it was obvious who was the stronger of the 2.

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#27 Posted by theacidskull (22026 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas said:
@battle123axe said:
@theacidskull said:

Ultimate Hulk is significantly weaker.

@battle123axe said:

generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

Stalemate? Didn't he get wrecked?

I'm pretty sure they stalemated or very close

Eh, Doc Green literally punched him from San Francisco to Alcatraz, so wile the fight didn't end it was obvious who was the stronger of the 2.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Nick Fury even says "if Hulk crashed the prison himself, that makes sense. But if someone threw him in there, then we've got a bigger problem."

I'm paraphrasing but you get the idea.

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#28 Posted by Battle123axe (9168 posts) - - Show Bio

@gilneas said:
@battle123axe said:
@theacidskull said:

Ultimate Hulk is significantly weaker.

@battle123axe said:

generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

Stalemate? Didn't he get wrecked?

I'm pretty sure they stalemated or very close

Eh, Doc Green literally punched him from San Francisco to Alcatraz, so wile the fight didn't end it was obvious who was the stronger of the 2.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Nick Fury even says "if Hulk crashed the prison himself, that makes sense. But if someone threw him in there, then we've got a bigger problem."

I'm paraphrasing but you get the idea.

that's fair, but they traded blows for several pages before, and even canceled each other out in striking

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#29 Posted by Gilneas (612 posts) - - Show Bio

@theacidskull said:
@gilneas said:
@battle123axe said:
@theacidskull said:

Ultimate Hulk is significantly weaker.

@battle123axe said:

generally yes. he's stalemated doc green, so take that how you will

Stalemate? Didn't he get wrecked?

I'm pretty sure they stalemated or very close

Eh, Doc Green literally punched him from San Francisco to Alcatraz, so wile the fight didn't end it was obvious who was the stronger of the 2.

Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Nick Fury even says "if Hulk crashed the prison himself, that makes sense. But if someone threw him in there, then we've got a bigger problem."

I'm paraphrasing but you get the idea.

that's fair, but they traded blows for several pages before, and even canceled each other out in striking

Similar fights like that have happened with Hulk and Thing in the past, doesn't mean they are close to one another. I mean for one the Ultimate Hulk doesn't get stronger the angrier he gets, so by definition he can't be anywhere near as strong as regular Hulk, which i guess is why he almost matched someone like Doc Green who doesn't really get angry.

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