Since the first thread Context Files: Hulk vol.1 was a complete success, Acid and I decided to make a second volume of the Context Files: Hulk series with new content to clear the misinformation on the forums and inform the mass. Enjoy.
This would be a sequel of the first thread of what we're expecting to be a series of "Context Files" threads with different characters. Also, this will be edited through some time to add new instances and improve the info explained here as well as constantly updating the thread.
This is NOT a respect thread and people who searches for the context shown here would be considered as "aware" of the feats mentioned in this thread. For basic information of the feats being contextualized here, please visit Hulk's Respect Threads.
Hulkbusters beating Hulk?
It hasn't been once, nor twice, nor thrice that Iron Man fans claim Iron Man has beaten Hulk with Hulkbusters in the past, which is indeed a fallacious assertion considering it has never happened. Most of the time, the out of context scan used to claim this is this one from Invincible Iron Man #305:
With this scan people claims 2 things that couldn't be more off putting:
- "Iron Man can beat Hulk under fair conditions."
- "Iron Man has beaten Hulk with Hulkbusters before."
The fact Iron Man didn't actually beat Hulk in this instance, in fact, Hulk wasn't even harmed by the armor during the entirety of the issue and anyone who read the issue prior to making the claim would know, already debunks such notion, for a better view on their fight, here are the highlights of their fight:
As the scan itself shows, Hulk was holding back for the entirety of the fight and as you can see, he was also completely impervious to Iron Man's attacks and were nothing more than a nuisance for him. Concluding:
- Hulk wasn't beaten by Iron Man, ergo, a Hulkbuster has never beaten Earth-616 Hulk.
- Hulk was holding back and wasn't harmed by Iron Man's Hulkbuster in one of his weakest incarnations.
Sun God stomps Hulk?
Even though the notion isn't completely false and Sun God indeed stomped Hulk, people tend to overlook which Hulk was fighting Sun God. They assume, given the writer in that moment, that it was Savage Hulk from Indestructible Hulk, which is extremely powerful, however it wasn't Savage Hulk. Anyways, the claim is often made when posting this out of context scan from New Avengers #20:
Before this fight, Banner injected himself with a serum which allowed him to gain more control over Hulk while sacrificing strength and potential during New Avengers #19, by overriding his emotions, which considering the core detonator of Hulk's potential, is indeed a factor to take into account. This is forwardly hinted when for the entirety of the fight with Sun God, Hulk was pictured as a Grey Hulk.
The fact Hulk was grey during the instance instead of the common green means he wasn't operating at normal levels and was obviously weaker than average. In fact, it is quite visible that when Banner was losing control over Hulk's powers once again he was turning partially green instead of staying grey as he was meant to during the fight in New Avengers #20...
Moreover, Hulk's color is actually a quite solid indicative of his power level, as it was strongly implied during World War Hulk: Gamma Corps #3 that devolving him to previous power levels turns him grey when they manage to alter his DNA temporarily weakening him and ultimately managing to snap his neck...
By the moment Hulk was weakened enough to snap his neck that easily he was completely grey, which is the same color of Hulk that fought Sun God in New Avengers. There's enough proof let alone blatantly shown and described in previous canonical instances to claim he was weakened. Even Bruce Banner in classic days during Incredible Hulk #318 claimed Grey Hulk was weaker than Green Hulk by quite a fair margin at the same time claiming Grey Hulk was him during his first hours of transformation...
It is blatantly visible and nigh-irrefutable that Hulk was severely weakened against Sun God and still was strong enough to smack him around. Hickman, the issue's writer, showed Sun God can beat a weakened Hulk, that's about it and it is factually proven.
Thor manhandling two Hulks?
This is not as popular as previous ones but certainly one Thor fans and supporters love to use when delivering arguments against Hulk and his potential on beating Thor in a straight up fight. The claim revolves around Thor fighting Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk at the same time which from their standpoint, is indeed a very good feat to pull up, however, there's some context that is either purposely overlooked or flat out unconsciously ignored. It is often used coupled with these set of scans.
The scans are from Avengers Season One and at first glance Thor did hold his ground against to very powerful foes however, those Hulk weren't either Grey Hulk nor Savage Hulk but Grey Hulk from Banner's first hours as Hulk during his first appearance, likewise, the green Hulk in the fight is commonly referred as Gravage Hulk, a personification of Grey Hulk with green color so to speak, which also took place in a very classic era, including Hulk's first volume of the 60's, when he was barely able to pull fits around 70 tons. Zarrko himself explains he time-displaced both Hulks and flat out states the Grey One is literally from Hulk's birth.
As the scans show, Zarrko confirmed both Hulks were from a different timeline than the current one and considering the Green one was able to pull coherent sentences and even make plans mid fight with proper explanations means it was the commonly known as Gravage Hulk, which has an average intellect but certainly above the likes of Savage Hulk and others.
So what do we have here?
- Thor was fighting two Hulks that were leaps and bounds inferior to Savage Hulk, much less the Hulk in the proper timeline given Savage Hulk in the same issue was fighting the combined force of the Avengers including Thor with astonishing ease.
- This is actually a bad feat for Thor to use, given he was getting smacked by both Grey Hulk and Gravage Hulk, ergo, by 2 characters that even combined are much less of a threat than Savage Hulk.
Hank McCoy harming and blitzing Hulk?
Often used when people is trying to argue against Hulk's speed when facing street levelers. It is painfully obvious that particular debate is a very controversial one, but that's no excuse to neglect context, specially this one when the entirety of the issue revolves around Hulk not operating on his proper level of speed, durability and strength. Anyways, the claim is most of the time coupled with this out of context scan:
The scan is from Incredible Hulk #161, which were the days Beast was able to fight Earth-616 Hyperion from Squadron Sinister which at the same time was able to go toe to toe with Thor back in that era, shrugging off hammer throws and clashing with Hulk generating Earthquakes, regardless of such an inconsistent character development, the instance also has context. Hulk was weakened due to Mimic's powers, he was literally "sickening" and was weak to the point of being unable to smash a simple rock, wasn't able to leap great distances and was dizzy all the time to the point of missing the point of landing when leaping and getting dizzy just by looking down from a high altitude. Hulk wasn't anywhere near his average, much less his best... These are the relevant scans from the same issue:
So what do we have here:
- Hulk was greatly weakened in the instance, so Beast standing a chance against him to begin with is a fallacious claim on principle.
- Hulk was dizzy and lost balance in almost the entirety of the issue, meaning speed as a factor should be taken into account.
Can Hulk withstand Absolute Zero temperature?
A very impressive yet "arguable" feat for Hulk, often logically downplayed by claiming he did it because of his armor, however, that's no entirely true and the confirmation comes from a source hardly anyone has access to. The debate intensifies when the instance is coupled with this particular scan:
The scan is from Indestructible Hulk #8 and is very self-explanatory. Hulk jumped into a stream of absolute zero and saved Thor who was previously launched into it and trapped there in complete frozen state, however, the scan clearly states his armor is heating up to prepare the engagement is such a hostile temperature, which obviously gives the notion Hulk couldn't have done it without his armor. This is were World War Hulk: Gamma Files comes to play and actually confirms Hulk can resist absolute zero temperatures by himself:
As the handbook states, he could have resisted such degree of cold without the armor considering this biographical entry is confirming he has already done it without it and it is referring to events that happened at the very least 5 years prior to his appearances in Indestructible Hulk. Whether people chooses to believe he couldn't have done it or could have is up to them, but there's sufficient proof to at least be open to the idea, and for a being that consistently shrugs off the cold of space unaided it isn't far fetched to believe he could also do the same on a temperature which is only about 3°C under the temperature of space.
So what do we have here:
- Hulk did the feat with the armor on, but there's no concrete way to irrefutably claim he couldn't have done it without it.
- Reliable sources confirm he has done it in the past as well as reiterating his potential on doing so without addressing the feat in question nor the Hulk used on that particular occasion.