Gotham Episode #118: "Everyone Has a Cobblepot"

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Note: There may be spoilers for this week's episode contained within. You have been warned.

Recap

On this week's episode of Gotham, Gordon visits a stabbed Alfred in the hospital, but he's called away by the Captain. Alfred won't tell Gordon that it was Reggie who stabbed him. Alfred decides to leave the hospital before doctors say it's ok, but Bruce demands he gets back in bed.

Fish awakes in a bed with her eye missing. Dr Francis Dalmacher checkers her out. Fish demands to be made the Doctor's number two. The doctor says eyes are tricky and they couldn't match her original color. Fish removes the bandage and sees she has a bright blue eye now.

The corrupt cop Gordon busted, Flass, is reinstated and he's a big jerk to Gordon. Gordon finds Bullock made a statement saying he planted false evidence. LIES! Gordon confronts Bullock and Bullock shares a story, much like Gordon's, about a time where he had to kill a mobster. Gordon is going after Loeb now. He's had enough!

Nygma pops in on Ms Kringle to tell her about pheromones and that Flass was released. Gordon meets with Harvey Dent and the two go and confront Loeb's ex-partner, Griggs, from when he was a cop. Griggs sends the duo to Xei-Lu.

Back at the creepy hospital, Dollmaker shows Fish around the place. They make a conditional deal with each other. Fish has to send Dollmaker bodies from the basement. Over at the hospital, Selina visits Bruce and a passed out Alfred. Bruce has pieced everything together about Wayne Enterprises and Reggie.

Gordon and Dent head to see Xei-Lu. They press him but get nothing out of him. Magically, Lu gets a phone call and tells Gordon and Dent to wait. All of Lu's men, who look like accountants, pull out some knives and chase after them. However, they are stopped time and time again by impenetrable chain link fences. Bullock saves them and after some interrogating through montage, they find Loeb and Falcone are in bed with each other. Gordon makes a deal with Penguin to get the files he needs.

Fish returns to the people underground. One of the men is complaining about her absence. He gets taken out of there. He's probably going to have his big toe taken from him or something. Gordon, Bullock, and Penguin pull up to the farm where the files are being kept. After a cup of tea with the owners, it turns into a ridiculous shootout. The group heads upstairs and finds Miriam Loeb.

Nygma brings Ms Kringle some flowers, but she has a boyfriend in the department named Tom. Apparently, she'll date all the cops at the station, bit not Edward. Poor Edward.

Bullock and Gordon chat with Miriam who has some issues. Miriam is making some jewelry out of bird bones. She eventually reveals she killed her mother. Penguin walks in and Miriam reveals she loves birds because she snaps their necks to make necklaces out of their bones.

Gordon walks into Loeb's office and shows him the bone necklace. Loeb says he'll resign, but Gordon doesn't want that. He wants to use leverage. He wants Flass tried and wants all the files Loeb has, Penguin is going to ask for the favor. Dollmaker shows Fish where they are, on a snowy island no where near land.

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Thoughts

This episode of Gotham feels like a caricature of itself. It's a bit silly and more over-the-top than normal and is crossing the barrier of "so bad, it's good." Especially, in this episode, there's lots of moments that feel like this is less about telling interesting stories and more about trying to be HBO's Tales from the Crypt. That's right, there's a ton of moments in this episode where I felt the Cryptkeeper was going to jump out and deliver at least 15 horror-filled puns.

Fish removes her eye and Dollmaker puts a new one in? Boo! That was a really cool risk Fish took and all-in-all, it's worthless. How cool would have it been to have Fish with an eye patch? Anyway, her story is probably the most interesting here and the least silly, believe it or not. She's slowly working her way back up the ladder with the situation she's in, and by "slowly," I mean, "super quickly." The turn at the end of the episode, with the hospital being on an island, really puts everything into perspective. She's stuck in a bad situation, so she may as well do what she can. The only question I have is how does this all connect to the Dollmaker taking kids at the beginning of the season?

The CGI when the office manager is shown with the transplant is really bad. The lighting and movement look really off. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Again, we're getting this weird Tales from the Crypt feel to it (not as much as the hidden daughter in the attic of Loeb's place, mind you), and while I understand where they're going with this, it would have been a lot cooler if they didn't show it and gave us a reaction shot coming from Fish.

I laughed out loud during the shootout at the farmhouse, where the woman tripped and hit her head on the mantle. This show has jumped into the world of "so bad, it's hilarious" territory. Once again, everyone on this show is a terrible shot.

This episode of Gotham was a bit silly, but all-in-all, I actually really enjoyed it. There's a lot of problems with fluctuating direction for the series and the fact we're in this never-ending battle against corruption but the one step forward, two steps back story line isn't compelling and has become tedious and redundant at best. However, if the show keeps being this silly and ridiculous, I'm all in. Now, where's my Clayface episode? Let's get nutty.

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#1 Posted by the_stegman (40195 posts) - - Show Bio

I stopped watching this and Constantine. They just don't hold my attention.

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#2 Posted by inferiorego (25734 posts) - - Show Bio

I stopped watching this and Constantine. They just don't hold my attention.

At least watch the final episode of Constantine. It was pretty brilliant

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#3 Posted by CaptainMarvel4Ever (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman said:

I stopped watching this and Constantine. They just don't hold my attention.

Gotham I get, but Constantine is really good, you should stick with it.

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#4 Posted by akbogert (3323 posts) - - Show Bio

"I laughed out loud during the shootout at the farmhouse, where the woman tripped and hit her head on the mantle. This show has jumped into the world of "so bad, it's hilarious" territory."

I saw your tweet about this but I was about ten minutes behind in the episode -- when this happened I was pretty sure it's what had led to the tweet. I laughed too. Terrible.

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#5 Posted by Loki2u (325 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego

I'm curious what your expectations are for this show?

They've moved away from the villain of the week format (momentarily at least), focusing on the corruption of the police and mob and how they are all intertwined. Storylines are starting to stretch out and build a fairly exciting mythos (imo) and the selinas, ivy and barbara have been minimal.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I've thought the last couple of episodes have been some of the best yet as they are starting to lay down the groundwork and big opportunities for devolpment down the road. Yes it has its cheesy moments, but no worse than Arrow or Flash.

I dunno, it just seems this show can do no good in your eyes.

My .02

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#6 Posted by Snape (57 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season but that's just my thoughts.

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#7 Posted by BarelyAverage (1368 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a great entertaining show. I liked this episode, Gordon and bullock go great together. Wish we could see more of dent. I like how they are humanizing Nygma. You can almost feel his frustration with cringles poor choice in men. I give it a 8/10.

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#10 Posted by the_stegman (40195 posts) - - Show Bio

@captainmarvel4ever: @inferiorego: Eh. The entire season of Constantine bored me. Constantine himself is cool, but I couldn't care less about Zed or...immortal cab guy. And I find the mythos a bit messy. I'll wait for it to come on DVD or Netflix and finish the season I guess.

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#11 Posted by Transformers1024 (7600 posts) - - Show Bio

#GothamSucks

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#12 Posted by dondave (41752 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol

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#13 Posted by dngn4774 (5579 posts) - - Show Bio

Fish Mooney's entire storyline is tanking the show. They should kill her off and give her time to the other main characters.

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#14 Posted by SaintWildcard (21796 posts) - - Show Bio

Santa Maria!

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#15 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (7156 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774 said:

Fish Mooney's entire storyline is tanking the show. They should kill her off and give her time to the other main characters.

this

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#16 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (18984 posts) - - Show Bio

2 Stars.

2 Star of of 100?

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#17 Posted by Mars8254 (95 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774: I actually think Fish mooney is a pretty cool character, but this current storyline she is part of is pretty lame.

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#18 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (12493 posts) - - Show Bio

Ouch. @inferiorego

2 stars? But you said you enjoyed it!

The flaws don't matter as long it entertains you.

And BTW you missed some great RAW segments and a MASTERPIECE PAUL HEYMAN PROMO.

~MiB

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#19 Posted by NightFang3 (12362 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd given this episode 3 stars.

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#20 Posted by Mars8254 (95 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774: Feel like im in the minority in that i like this show. I guessed im easily entertained.

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#21 Edited by Gotham331 (516 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked this episode. Again I could've done without Bruce and Alfred. They added nothing to this episode. But I loved everything else. Two stars is cold.

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#22 Posted by KritikalMassX (1510 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by AwesomePerson (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

At least they're focusing on the mob gangs rather than villains...

So is that a plus???

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#24 Edited by dngn4774 (5579 posts) - - Show Bio

@mars8254 said:

@dngn4774: I actually think Fish mooney is a pretty cool character, but this current storyline she is part of is pretty lame.

She's the worst character by far because she overacts every line. The show loses any chance to be serious when she acts like the typical cartoonish villain. It's like 2/3rds of the cast is from a Nolan film and she's doing a Burton character, just not compatible with the show at all.

@mars8254 said:

@dngn4774: Feel like im in the minority in that i like this show. I guessed im easily entertained.

Gotham doesn't make itself easy to like. It often overreaches with plots and is inconsistent with its specific audience, pandering to everyone without actually committing to anyone. I personally like the show but some of the writing intentionally feels like they cut corners and said "F*ck it! It's a batman show, people will watch it anyway."

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#25 Posted by Manwhohaseverything (3818 posts) - - Show Bio

I always peek at the rating given for this show, but pretty much ignore it now. I think the reviewer is just hell-bent on never giving it two good ratings in a row no matter what. The reasons given for the "what's wrong" with any given episode are reasons that can apply to 99% of T.V shows out there, yet somehow when "Gotham" does them , they're some kind of tragic storyline faux-pas. I mean Fish had a false eye put in instead of wearing a eye-patch that would've looked "cool"? Seriously, that's a criticism? That's a minor detail that does little for the story either way. Redundancy? Gotham is actually one of the least redundant shows out there. Flash, Arrow and Person of Interest (3 other shows I watch) are all much more redundant than Gotham is.

Not saying the show is perfect, it's far from it, but this episode, I'd have wavered between 3 and 4 stars, probably would've gone with 3 since I don't think 1/2 stars can be given out.

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#26 Posted by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

Weird, AV Club gave this episode a positive review, and they trash every episode that gets 4 or 5 from CV.

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#27 Posted by SurfingtheHighway (1434 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but I'm finding this kinda odd: Smallville had a huge fanbase through all of its run, and even on this site it is a very highly regarded TV show... but I always found it to be among the "so bad it's good" territory. One episode (called Mercy) was a blatant Saw rip-off and it holds a strong 8.3 rating on IMDB...

If anything, I'd say Gotham and Smallville are equally ridiculous (and Ben McKenzie and Tom Welling are equally bad actors) yet people seemed to be way more permissive with Smallville than they are now with Gotham. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Gotham (or Arrow, for that matter), but I still find it weird that it's being so criticized while Smallville got free passes on many terrible decisions.

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#28 Posted by inferiorego (25734 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the reviewer is just hell-bent on never giving it two good ratings in a row no matter what.

lol. That's only a thing in your mind and no where else. The first half of this season mainly got 4 stars, and a couple 5 stars, but the second half has been pretty directionless and all over the place. Episodes are rated week by week, show by show. I don't care what last week's episode got.

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#29 Edited by OrangeBat (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Fish Mooney's story arc is laughably terrible. The way that she manages to "manipulate" everyone is hilarious.

Seriously, they are trying way too hard to push Fish as some kind of mastermind. The way that she managed to convince the guards to let her see the chief is the stupidest shit I've ever seen, and Dr. Dulmacher actually taking her seriously instead of just tossing her downstairs to rot along with the rest was eye-rolling.

And I still don't get the eye thing. She still has one eye perfect for removal. Apparently, neither do the show runners, since they backtracked from it super-quick.

Look, I get that they're trying to work up to her big comeback, but nonsensical plot developments are not the way to do it.

Same thing goes with Loeb's daughter. Why is he so worried about her getting committed to Arkham? That entire place is owned by Falcone, as is half of Gotham and its politicians, and he's good buddies with the guy, so it's not like he couldn't just get her declared legally sane. Or have Gordon assassinated after the guy stupidly showed all his cards.

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#30 Posted by Sachmoo (2500 posts) - - Show Bio

To be honest, I think people don't like the Fish Mooney Arc simply because she isn't a full fledged DC character. She gouged her eye out to prove she was bat shit crazy, and people hate it. Penguin makes old people fight, then kills the survivor just for giggles really, and you guys like it?

The one major head slapping, eye-rolling moment i had this week. How do you survive a room full of bloodlusted goons? If they all have knives. That was, for all intents and purposes, an enemy stronghold where they were counting THOUSANDS of dollars. And none of them had a single gun?

At any rate, i still like the show. Look forward to it every Monday.

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#31 Edited by The_Kidd (11993 posts) - - Show Bio

@madeinbangladesh said:

And BTW you missed some great RAW segments and a MASTERPIECE PAUL HEYMAN PROMO.

~MiB

Possibly the most entertaining thing that happened last night and in a long time on RAW.

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#32 Posted by inferiorego (25734 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_kidd said:

@madeinbangladesh said:

And BTW you missed some great RAW segments and a MASTERPIECE PAUL HEYMAN PROMO.

~MiB

Possibly the most entertaining thing that happened last night and in a long time on RAW.

I dunno... The Miz Viagra commercial gave me a few chuckles

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#33 Posted by The_Kidd (11993 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_kidd said:

@madeinbangladesh said:

And BTW you missed some great RAW segments and a MASTERPIECE PAUL HEYMAN PROMO.

~MiB

Possibly the most entertaining thing that happened last night and in a long time on RAW.

I dunno... The Miz Viagra commercial gave me a few chuckles

Me to but Hayman is a killer when it comes to MC and I have grown bored of the whole Miz/Sandow thing.

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#34 Posted by SynCig (1105 posts) - - Show Bio

2 stars is spot on but I disagree about Fish being the most interesting story here. Her story makes no sense. The whole thing is just dumb in my opinion. The only part of the episode I liked was Penguin having the old couple fight and then killing the survivor. That felt very true to the character. Also, has anyone noticed that his hair keeps getting more and more ridiculous as the season progresses?

Anyway, I've gotten to the point that I rarely sit and just watch this show. I need a distraction otherwise I get frustrated with the atrocious writing. So I usually read or mess around on the computer while it's on. I hope the writers and show runner are paying attention to the legitimate criticism out there so they can improve in season 2. The sad part is that I liked this show all the way until the mid-season finale but it's been pretty much garbage since then.

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#35 Posted by Plogty (22 posts) - - Show Bio

This was actually one of my favorite episodes. It was more story-driven and only focused on a few characters. It wasn't as bloated as some. I felt "in the moment."

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#36 Posted by Left_My_Heart_In_San_Francheesie (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_stegman: I agree with you about Zed, she is the worst character and the show and should be long dead by now. Or if they want to alter her story, gone at least. But I really do like Chaz a whole lot. There was an episode here recently that focused on his character giving him some background and deoth that was very very good, one of my favorites of the series actually. You should definitely return to it after it shows up on Netflix or wherever it ends up now that its over. In my opinion it was the only DC show worth viewing.

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#37 Posted by Left_My_Heart_In_San_Francheesie (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774: The fact that you think "Nolan's characters" weren't overacting is hilarious. Its also funny that you knock cartoon villains when Batman The Animated Series is probably the best written Batman in TV/Film. I will, however, agree with you about the show's pandering/non-commitment and that Fish is a terrible character, but its because she's played by Jada Pinkett Smith.

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#38 Posted by comicbook_fan (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Can we please get someone else to review the Gotham episodes? Obviously this guy just cannot enjoy the show. Here is why the episode was good:

Wonderful bonding between Bullock and Gordon, which ended with some solid character development for them both.

Gordon and Harvey Dent crusading together for the first time.

Penguin is developing his spine and knack for being a cold-blooded killer.

We start to see that Alfred may have had a big role in teaching Bruce the "Me against the world," all on my own mentality.

Bruce learns he knows nothing about girls.

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#39 Posted by dngn4774 (5579 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774: The fact that you think "Nolan's characters" weren't overacting is hilarious. Its also funny that you knock cartoon villains when Batman The Animated Series is probably the best written Batman in TV/Film. I will, however, agree with you about the show's pandering/non-commitment and that Fish is a terrible character, but its because she's played by Jada Pinkett Smith.

I not saying Nolan's characters weren't overly dramatic and brooding, all I'm saying is that you can't mix the two extremes together without damaging the plot. It works with Gordon and Bullock because as partners they often share scenes together and have found a way to play off of each others attitudes (serious cop/comical cop). However, this can't work across the board because the other characters have individual storylines and such dramatic shifts in tone makes the overall plot less assessable. If the show switches from Barbara Keen's depression to Nygma's flirting with Miss Kringle to Fish leading a prison rebellion sooner or later you're going to question what you are watching.

Furthermore, there's a big difference between cartoon characters on cartoons and cartoonish characters on live action shows. Animation can get away with a lot more than live action characters because children are prioritized as the primary audience (if you don't believe me just check out Teen Titans Go!). The fact that a cartoon was successful with cartoon characters (great that's where they belong) doesn't affect any of my previous statements.

Mooney would actually work better as a serious character rather than this horrid Cruella Deville impression that Pinkett Smith is giving us. It doesn't help that the writing for this horror lab storyline doesn't feel like it even belongs on this show.

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#40 Edited by gmanfromheck (42524 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently no one knows how to climb a fence in Gotham.

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#41 Posted by GodxDarkxOpal (525 posts) - - Show Bio

This was one of the best episodes they had..Someone don't know wat the hell their doing..

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#42 Posted by Harryvine (80 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego: Did you draw the short straw when you guys were picking TV shows to review? Please for everyone and the love of God, let someone else review this show! At least Gregg enjoys his job...

Whats with a one t mat and a double g Gregg? You guys must be Canadian.

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#43 Posted by amazing_webhead (9820 posts) - - Show Bio

It was Miriam, in the parlor, with the candlestick!

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