Gotham #111 - Rogues' Gallery

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Recap

This week on Gotham, Gordon adjusts to his new life working at Arkham Asylum, which includes enjoying a play put on by the inmates. His new boss, Director or Doctor Lang is really riding him and thinks he's unfit for the job. Gordon discovers one of the patients, or someone else, has been shocked to the point of being brain dead. Lang puts the blame on Gordon even though Gordon tells him its a skeleton crew running it with no surveillance. Gordon goes on the hunt to find out how this happened. He interviews the inmates and finds little help from them. Gordon discovers an inmate out of his cell and sees his head has been fried, like the man before.

A new doctor makes her way into Arkham Asylum: Dr Leslie Thompkins. Apparently, Gordon is now infamous among the people of Gotham and the inmates of the asylum. She helps Gordon help with the investigation of who is shocking the inmates.

Bullock comes to Arkham to help investigate the assaults. Bullock puts Lang in his place, in a hilarious manner, and takes him down to the station as a suspect. When he gets there, he sees Penguin in a holding cell. Penguin was taken downtown after threatening some dock workers. Penguin wants Bullock to call Maroni to get him out, but Bullock makes a couple of jokes about loving seeing Penguin while he's working at his desk. Bullock grills Lang about who could be doing this.

It turns out that an inmate posing as a nurse is behind it all and she releases all of the inmates from their cells.

Selina and Ivy are both living on the streets together, but it's tough for Ivy to adjust to her new living situation. Selina breaks into Gordon's place so she and Ivy have a place to stay, out of the rain because Ivy is sick.

Fish Mooney starts to make a play for power in the crime family of Gotham. She wants to be on top, but she's not next in line. She gets Butch to help her out but she thinks Butch may be turning on her. Butch has a chat with Jimmy, the man next in line for the throne. Jimmy makes Butch an offer to join up with him and leave Fish. Jimmy offers Butch almost too much to pass on.

Barbara is staying with Renee now. Renee knows Barbara needs help because she's popping pills. She calls Gordon's and gets to talk to Ivy on the phone.

Turns out inmate Jack Gruber was behind it all with the help of the help of an inmate named Aaron. Gordon and Bullock make it back to the Asylum to find Lang, dying. There's a note for Gordon at the Asylum from Gruber. In the note, Gruber says he's been using electricity to warp people. Gordon comes home to find the someone had been staying at his place, but Selina and Ivy are not there.

Butch meets Jimmy at the docks and Jimmy asks him if he's in. Butch ends up taking Jimmy out.

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Thoughts

Putting Gordon into Arkham Asylum was the best thing you could do to the show. Not that the show was getting stale, but it really was getting a "villain of the week" flavor to it. Throwing Gordon into Arkham not only shows another side of how Gotham operates, but it gives Gordon room to grow away from the other supporting characters, which is pretty cool to see.

Donal Logue really shines in this episode. He's really found his footing with the character of Harvey Bullock. He brings a comic relief to the show, which isn't over the top at all. In addition, he brings some hard-boiled detective work to the show too. He's made Bullock a very dynamic character.

As much as I've complained in the past about Selina, Barbara is a badly written character, far worse than anyone else. She's a folly for everyone else's emotions and stories. She got to have a scene talking on the phone to Ivy, which was the highlight of two poorly written characters engaging in some bad dialogue in an awful and meaningless scene. Both of these characters make me really appreciate Selina Kyle right now.

David Zayas as Salvatore Maroni is awesome. I'm so happy to see him back in this role on the show.

It's revealed nurse Dorothy is the person behind the madness, and least we think she is. And for the time being, I was cocky and said "I called it." However, we get this fantastic turn and find out Gruber was behind it and I was actually pretty surprised. Better yet, this story will continue onto next week as well.

The story for the episode really works. We're introduced to some great, new characters and the episode really grabs the audience. There is another downside that this episode will be a one and done for Gordon at Arkham, since next week's preview shows Gordon back on the streets. I think for the good of the show, he needs to stay there a few more episodes. One doesn't seem like enough.

"Rogues' Gallery" wasn't a powerhouse episode filled with action and adventure, but it was a great episode that sat more in the realm of police procedural with a mix of mafia. This was the episode that felt like Gotham found its footing. Sure, the Barabara and Ivy scenes were utterly awful, but on the bright side, Selina was a much more subdued and tolerable character to the point where I actually kind of enjoyed her short time on the screen. This episode was broad and covered a lot of ground, but it did so extremely well. Gotham has me hook, line, and sinker.

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#1 Edited by CaptainMarvel4Ever (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh right... Gotham... I kinda forgot that was a thing.

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#2 Edited by Transformers1024 (7600 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, what? This is back on tonight? I haven't even heard much about this show since it's midseason...

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#3 Posted by Billy_Cobb (98 posts) - - Show Bio

I really enjoyed this episode, though I'm unsure as to how there was NO record whatsoever of crazy nurse lady being an inmate. I very much liked the music at the end of the episode, too.

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#4 Posted by Dark_Stranger (372 posts) - - Show Bio

Still incredibly plain, predictable, and most of all uninteresting.

Why is this show still going?

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#5 Posted by knightofthechronicle (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't even know that it was on tonight! Oh well, I guess I'll have to catch up online.

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#6 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (9032 posts) - - Show Bio

This show is still on?

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#7 Posted by mak13131313 (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

This comment is so I fit in... I didn't even know this was still on tv! Now my actual comment. I enjoyed this episode. I agree with you, Mat, about the strong points and the weak points of the show. Especially Barbara!

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#8 Edited by MadeinBangladesh (12493 posts) - - Show Bio

whattt? This show came back?

-SWAG

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#9 Posted by the_stegman (40186 posts) - - Show Bio

I knew It came back,but I recorded it. I'll get around to watching it...eventually.

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#10 Posted by AssertingValor (8147 posts) - - Show Bio

Great episode

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#11 Posted by patrat18 (11738 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh right... Gotham... I kinda forgot that was a thing.

How do you always get top comment?

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#12 Posted by BumBurger (142 posts) - - Show Bio

Barbara was so corny to me in this episode. She was having sex with Renee and then gets mad when she thinks Jim moved on.

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#13 Posted by eamon542000 (336 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: He's a comment cougar, always on the prowl :)

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#14 Posted by batarangbamz (167 posts) - - Show Bio

Glad they didn't shoehorn Bruce into this episode.

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#16 Edited by Sachmoo (2500 posts) - - Show Bio

This is the most intriguing show going right now. As per usual around here, the lack of flip Back kicks, Superpowers and all around unrealism has people uninterested. Storylines laced with pseudo-realism doesn't cut it. No wonder critics think Nolan style Hero flicks are dead.

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#18 Posted by TrueMarvel (578 posts) - - Show Bio

If you take out every scene involving "Cat", "Ivy", and Barbara this episode is 5 stars.

That how bad those characters are dragging down the show as a whole

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#19 Posted by Saren (27933 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes I wonder whether Laurel or Iris is the more terrible character, but then every Monday I'm reminded that Barbara exists.

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#20 Posted by AwesomePerson (2767 posts) - - Show Bio

I am really getting annoyed of Barbra.... At least Iris has her moments but Barbra is practically Laurel from Arrow S1

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#21 Posted by FearTheLiving (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't care for it. Was very predictable and for every scene I liked there were three that left me shaking my head in disappointment.

I'll list my biggest problems.

1. Any scene with Isiah Whitlock Jr. I don't know if he just phoned it in or what but that was some terrible back and forth during anytime he was on screen.

2. Cat and Ivy...need I say more.

3. Barbra and Renee storyline should be cut completely.

4. The nurse no one knew was an inmate...seriously..? Not to mention a play in a mental institution?

5. Gordon's little get back in your cell moment and the words with the guard about his keys were both cringe worthy.

I wish the show just stuck to the mob and cop stuff it's what it does best.

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#23 Posted by RavenVice01 (4408 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously, can someone bring in Hugo Strange and put him in charge of Arkham?

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#24 Posted by doombot890 (322 posts) - - Show Bio

This ep was ok and yeah Jim Gordon Mall Cop needs to stay at Arkham a bit longer. Did anyone else notice Jim had a radio attached to his belt and think it weird he didn't think to radio for the lockdown instead of asking Dr. Thompkins to.

Also Barbara you got fooled by a pre teen

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#25 Posted by feedonatreefrog (290 posts) - - Show Bio

Great ending. If only the show had that tone throughout.

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#26 Posted by Claymore1998 (16541 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh Gotham's back.. missed this one though dammit =(

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#27 Posted by Crimsonlord53 (1546 posts) - - Show Bio

I liked the(poison) Ivy fore shadowing.

But yeah barbara needs something done.

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#29 Posted by OrangeBat (960 posts) - - Show Bio

God, I wish Barbara would just die already. And Renee too. I can't believe they are wasting her character on this lame-ass lesbian love drama with Gordon's girlfriend.

Selina outwore her welcome 6 episodes ago.

Ivy's actress is absolutely god-awful.

The only female characters that don't suck ass are Sarah Essen and Leslie Thompkins.

Also, LOL at Dorothy somehow disguising herself as one of the asylum stuff. I actually burst out laughing at the explanation for that, that's how stupid the whole thing was.

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#33 Posted by JV (144 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark_stranger: Why do you watch then? And I am not being sarcastic. If you hate it, don't watch and the ratings will go down.

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#34 Posted by dondave (41752 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounded like the Joker was there when the Nurse was killed

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#35 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (45774 posts) - - Show Bio

NEWSFLASH: Nobody gives a crap if you don't like it so there is no need to come on this review every week and comment how you "think it should be canceled" or "why is this still on?" all that does is make you sound like a douchebag. "Hey.. hey guys I don't like this one thing so I think that means nobody should". I don't like tomatoes but that doesn't mean I want to ban them from all shops. Grow up.

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#36 Posted by Dark_Stranger (372 posts) - - Show Bio

@jv said:

@dark_stranger: Why do you watch then? And I am not being sarcastic. If you hate it, don't watch and the ratings will go down.

Probably cause I was willing to give it another chance.

But seeing as how it hasn't improved, nor changed my opinion of it. I'm now pretty much done with it.

@sachmoo said:

This is the most intriguing show going right now. As per usual around here, the lack of flip Back kicks, Superpowers and all around unrealism has people uninterested. Storylines laced with pseudo-realism doesn't cut it. No wonder critics think Nolan style Hero flicks are dead.

Or it's just the fact that the characters (bar Penguin. Of whom is the only good thing in this show) are all flat, and poorly acted for a majority of them. As well that the plot (again Penguin story aside) is just terribly plain, predictable, and just uninteresting. Is the reason why people don't like it, rather than over the top action or powers, as you seem to suggest.

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#37 Edited by Linore (109 posts) - - Show Bio

The writers seriously need to find a way to make Barbara's character likable or at least tolerable this just sad with how shes written

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#38 Posted by Sachmoo (2500 posts) - - Show Bio

@dark_stranger: Or it's just the fact that the characters (bar Penguin. Of whom is the only good thing in this show) are all flat, and poorly acted for a majority of them. As well that the plot (again Penguin story aside) is just terribly plain, predictable, and just uninteresting. Is the reason why people don't like it, rather than over the top action or powers, as you seem to suggest.

And that's your opinion, that's fine. Some of the acting is bad, but compare that to the beginning of Arrow where pretty much ALL the acting was bad, most of which hasn't gotten better. What carried that show, was a guy wearing green doing back flips shooting arrows. Now people love it (Including me) despite its poor acting.

As far as predictable, all of these shows are pretty much predictable. Why? because they are based on events in which we already read about in comics. They may throw a few curveballs and such, but basically, we know whats going to happen.

It's fine though, don't watch a show you don't like.

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#39 Posted by Darkseid_Beyond (28 posts) - - Show Bio

"You're right detective. I am afraid of authority and the things I'm hiding, I'll never tell you."

"Sounds heavy."

"Heavy? Yes and if you know what's good for you, you won't dig any deeper."

I really want to see a Court of Owls storyline presented in Gotham. The show already has an opening for their appearance, considering the mystery surrounding the Wayne's murders and young Bruce Wayne who is interested in finding the truth. There could be a great scene in this show where Bruce tracks the Court to the Harbor House, only to find it empty and he's rescued by Alfred a few days later after being trapped inside. The Court should remain a mystery by the end of the arc however. Perhaps Gordon and Bullock can get close only to have their investigation fall apart, but then we as the audience get a tease showing the Court being real. A problem for the future Batman to clean up when he's ready. This show has all kinds of potential.

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#40 Posted by LordDarkFox (126 posts) - - Show Bio

"You're right detective. I am afraid of authority and the things I'm hiding, I'll never tell you."

"Sounds heavy."

"Heavy? Yes and if you know what's good for you, you won't dig any deeper."

I really want to see a Court of Owls storyline presented in Gotham.

yeah me too man.

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#41 Posted by Manwhohaseverything (3818 posts) - - Show Bio

About Barbara..all the complaints about her, are, I think, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CHARACTER. Folks she's messed up, she's NOT SUPPOSED to be "likable"

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#42 Posted by the_stegman (40186 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: And Barbara is apparently stupid enough to think a 10 year old girl is an adult who's with Jim.

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#43 Posted by SupBatz (2186 posts) - - Show Bio

Decent episode. Not amazing.

I enjoyed Leslie Thompkins - a character who I've never cared much about in comics. Bullock was fantastic. And Arkham made for a fun setting.

The villain reveal with the Nurse was expected, but the "twist" with Electrocutioner and Amygdala was a nice touch.

I honestly don't understand why everybody loves the mob angle of the show so much. It just seems horribly corny and cliche to me. The Penguin is the only part of that storyline that I find remotely interesting. Fish, Maroni, Butch, and Falcone (and that's Falcone-NEE!) all just fall very flat to me, both in the characterization and the acting departments. I'm even find the kids (Bruce, Selina, and Ivy) to be more enjoyable to watch onscreen.

Not much to add on Barbara. She just plays that type of role that people are designed to dislike. Though it's a shame that Renee Montoya - a fantastic character in comics - has to be dragged down with her. I think Barbara just needs to get pregnant with twins and leave the show for a while. Maybe come back someday after the audience and the characters have had time to cool down. Then she might have a chance at becoming tolerable.

e@saren said:

Sometimes I wonder whether Laurel or Iris is the more terrible character, but then every Monday I'm reminded that Barbara exists.

I quite like Iris. I feel like she plays that type of role that people typically hate, but that as a character she has sidestepped the situations that might make everybody dislike her. That's definitely more than can be said for Barbara or Laurel (though Laurel has her moments, I suppose).

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#44 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (7566 posts) - - Show Bio

What's all the Gotham hate I thoroughly enjoy it

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#45 Edited by Harryvine (80 posts) - - Show Bio

CSI: Gotham was turning into a villain of the week. I want this show to be more have more of a detective angle with story arcs that play out for 2 or 3 episodes. Batman's best stories have multiple random things going on at once that he eventually connects. It looks like we are heading in that direction. Very excited. If you thought the show was getting stale, this is a great time to jump back on.

Whoever mentioned Hugo, YES!

Don't ever put Iris in the same category with Laurel and Barbara.

Send Barbara to the beach! A bikini can be a good distraction.

Penguin/Mafia is getting stale but at the same time I really liked Butch getting some time. It's nice to see the spotlight shone on a different POV in a sitch.

Inmates putting on a play...hilarious. Then again it was an inmates idea. The nurse was hilarious.

"You look good in that uniform Jim" - Jim Gordon's future wife, Sarah Essen

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#47 Posted by amazing_webhead (9813 posts) - - Show Bio

House party at Arkham Asylum,
Where there ain't no ifs ands or buts.
'Cuz we're disoriented,
As well as demented,
Yeah we've all gone a little bit nuts!

I like how everyone was fully aware of Arkham's crappy security. Big maze, no cameras, etc.

(Did Barbara seriously think Ivy, who can't be more than 10, was seeing Jim? And why is she pissed off about it after banging Montoya? Hypocrite)

Anyone else think "Jack Gruber" is really Hugo Strange?

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