@omarlionvision:

Goku didn't cause those shockwaves the GOD he was facing did.

@thebeardofzueshttps: //goo.gl/images/Hk1Hv3 to nullify an attack you have to output equal force. Which means goku was hitting as hard as beerus

@omarlionvision: Oh look another alt spouting nonsense. Take a ticket and wait in line please.

Still wall level

@masterskywalker: oh look another comic fan trying to deny everything that happens in a non-comic and actually trying to lowball it to bullet level ?? you should never be taken seriously if you actually believe that.

@maalik: Sure, we can agree to disagree. Glad we at least understand each other. Can't blame you for your views on Beerus. This is kinda irrelevant tho, but when it comes to Silver Surfer, I wasn't referring to that instance from Annihilation but the one against Uni-Lord, from Silver Surfer Vol. 3 #120. Although that showing is pretty impressive as well.

How exactly can one deny Goku is universal when it's flat out stated that he and Beerus were hitting each other with power capable of destroying the universe?

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39453/5525509-gokubeersuniversemultiplepunching.png

@misterguyman: comic fans don't want non american fiction to surpass their all powerful american comics.

@omarlionvision: @misterguyman: That was only said in the anime and that was when we were supposed to think SSG=Beerus. Beerus is universe level, but SSG most likely is not based off the rest of the series. Current Goku though? Ya I would say he is universe level.

@alextheboss: both the anime and manga are canon.

i would call universal + with MUI but actually his strongest form is SSB x Kaio ken X 20 which makes high galaxy at best

Imagine lowballing Goku to galaxy buster....

Man's is 4D these days.

I'd say low building level, but I'm being VERY generous here

@eyasluna: don't use bs dimensional tearing dude, generally authors words get lost with fans reading things too much. Like if we follow the stuff some of the people on this site say, deadpool would be infinite dimensional since he killed writers and stuff.

Currently he's universal+.