Should Gambit get Another New Ongoing?

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#51  Edited By marvelgirl99
xerox-kitty said:
"marvelgirl99 said:
"i am here to defend a character who I like a lot and I feel tends to get the short end of the stick on this forum."
Everyone gets the short end of the stick at one time or another.  But aren't remaining impartial... You're citing sales for one issue from 1998 as a reason why a character should have a solo series in 2009. 

 Hell, I love Domino, but her solo series panned... and rightfully so!  I love her as mysterious a supporting character in a team book, but as the star of a solo series?  N'ah... I'll pass.  I'd rather have a decent side-story in a team book, than a badly written and worse drawn solo.

marvelgirl99 said:
"xerox-kitty said:

"...This isn't about Gambit Hate.  It's about a practical look at his many failed solo/mini/cross-over series and the sub-standard art & writing that they've received.  So what if a movie going public suddenly saw a cute boy with a barely noticeable French twang?  The so-called demand of a few star-struck movie going teenaged girls who have never read a comic in their life should not dictate what below-par quality comics that real comic readers (in other words 'us') should receive.
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Okay, this is the second post that I am receiving about my Gambit-hate statement. I am NOT saying that everyone on here hates Gambit or that everyone who doesn't think he should have his own series hates him. I am just saying that I find he gets very little credit on these boards. That's all, really.And he has a lot of comic book readers who love him. And contrary to the belief of detractors, they are not all dewy-eyed teen-aged girls. Many men also like Gambit. He does have a bigger fanbase than many of the people on this board seem willing to admit.And "below-par quality comics"?  Again, an OPINION."
It's not just personal opinion.  Have you actually read them?  Not as a Gambit fan, but as a critical human being?  I remember being excited to get Gambit's first Solo, and the Gambit-Wolverine: Victims mini series... and I remember being bitterly disappointed.  I have not met one person who actually argued the quality of story writing and art in any Gambit series.

Hell, I WORKED in a comic shop when the majority of Gambit's series came out.  I've already told you about comic collectors buying habits, and I stick buy it.  They buy issue 1 for potential profit.  Only it doesn't work out for them because no-one is willing to pay high prices for those terrible stories years later.
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I really think you are both misunderstanding my argument. I was not using his first issue as a reason for his getting a solo series. My exact words were "give him some credit", meaning that he is a lot more popular than people on this board and others on the forum give him credit for. Its as if you can't say anything good about Gambit without people ganging up on you.
And are you actually arguing that your saying that his first solo series was bad is a fact? How can you even argue something like that? The quality of anything of this nature is always a matter of opinion and taste rather than fact. Case in point: I love The Catcher in the Rye, but a lot of people think its crap these days. That doesn't mean that it IS crap (or isn't), its just an opinion. And anyway, the first on-going actually made me a Gambit fan. AND I liked Victims. And to be perfectly honest, you two are the only people I have ever talked to who didn't like the series. You see? To each his/her own.
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#52  Edited By marvelgirl99

Oh, and even I admit readily that I hated Gambit's second series. Terribly-written, terribly drawn... You name it.

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#53  Edited By TOAA
Gambit's solo series was horrible. His team-up Victims story line was not bad. You cannot write off what IE and Kitty are saying as simply opinion. The movie Crank was an absolute train wreck of a movie, but there are some who refuse to believe that Statham can do any wrong. Who is right? Well, we will refer to the numbers. The numbers say it sucked. The majority of people say it sucked. Guess what, it sucked. Gambit's solo is in the same boat.
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#54  Edited By inferiorego  Staff
marvelgirl99 said:
"xerox-kitty said:
"marvelgirl99 said:
"i am here to defend a character who I like a lot and I feel tends to get the short end of the stick on this forum."
Everyone gets the short end of the stick at one time or another.  But aren't remaining impartial... You're citing sales for one issue from 1998 as a reason why a character should have a solo series in 2009. 

 Hell, I love Domino, but her solo series panned... and rightfully so!  I love her as mysterious a supporting character in a team book, but as the star of a solo series?  N'ah... I'll pass.  I'd rather have a decent side-story in a team book, than a badly written and worse drawn solo.

marvelgirl99 said:
"xerox-kitty said:

"...This isn't about Gambit Hate.  It's about a practical look at his many failed solo/mini/cross-over series and the sub-standard art & writing that they've received.  So what if a movie going public suddenly saw a cute boy with a barely noticeable French twang?  The so-called demand of a few star-struck movie going teenaged girls who have never read a comic in their life should not dictate what below-par quality comics that real comic readers (in other words 'us') should receive.
"
Okay, this is the second post that I am receiving about my Gambit-hate statement. I am NOT saying that everyone on here hates Gambit or that everyone who doesn't think he should have his own series hates him. I am just saying that I find he gets very little credit on these boards. That's all, really.And he has a lot of comic book readers who love him. And contrary to the belief of detractors, they are not all dewy-eyed teen-aged girls. Many men also like Gambit. He does have a bigger fanbase than many of the people on this board seem willing to admit.And "below-par quality comics"?  Again, an OPINION."
It's not just personal opinion.  Have you actually read them?  Not as a Gambit fan, but as a critical human being?  I remember being excited to get Gambit's first Solo, and the Gambit-Wolverine: Victims mini series... and I remember being bitterly disappointed.  I have not met one person who actually argued the quality of story writing and art in any Gambit series.

Hell, I WORKED in a comic shop when the majority of Gambit's series came out.  I've already told you about comic collectors buying habits, and I stick buy it.  They buy issue 1 for potential profit.  Only it doesn't work out for them because no-one is willing to pay high prices for those terrible stories years later.
"
I really think you are both misunderstanding my argument. I was not using his first issue as a reason for his getting a solo series. My exact words were "give him some credit", meaning that he is a lot more popular than people on this board and others on the forum give him credit for. Its as if you can't say anything good about Gambit without people ganging up on you.And are you actually arguing that your saying that his first solo series was bad is a fact? How can you even argue something like that? The quality of anything of this nature is always a matter of opinion and taste rather than fact. Case in point: I love The Catcher in the Rye, but a lot of people think its crap these days. That doesn't mean that it IS crap (or isn't), its just an opinion. And anyway, the first on-going actually made me a Gambit fan. AND I liked Victims. And to be perfectly honest, you two are the only people I have ever talked to who didn't like the series. You see? To each his/her own."
I gave him credit for being popular in the mid-90s, nothing more. The only people that think Catcher is a "crap" book are angry HS students who have to write a book report on it.
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#55  Edited By buffalostyle


The problem with Gambit is that they (writers) tend to not stay true to who Remy is. As a fan of the Romy duo, even I recognize that too much of Remy's character is caught up in the Romy relationship. Writers get caught up in it and make him out to be an accessory to Rogue. There are a lot of stories that can be told about this guy if only the writer would step away from Romy for a bit...
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#56  Edited By danimal350z@
I myself have every single of Remy's Solo series. I am a big fan of Remy LeBeau. He is interesting as a character, he has a very interesting background and history. He is a character that I and many others can realte too. I think that has alwasy influenced his popularity. But what else there for a new solo series? What kind of trouble could he possibly get into this time around LOL. More Guild fun? Maybe some stealing, smoking, explosions and beautiful woman? MMMM I'd like that. I agree with the DP-Gambit coop. The Merc with a mouth and the Marble Mouthed Cajun? Say that 10 times fast. Unless Clairmont has a hand in it I don't think a new solo series will be all that good. I am tired of my favorite characters being mucked with by inferior writers and horrible ideas. 
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#57  Edited By SunsetGold

I know this thread is well outdated for me to participate but I'm bumping it anyway.

I have to agree with marvelgirl99. A lot of you are being very harsh.and biased. Gambit's series may not have been sell-outs but that doesn't mean they were all poorly received. The first on-going series was actually a big hit. Remember it was when Gambit was still at his highest point for some time and he had some really good stories written for him at the time. After the first two, they went downhill. Wolverine and Gambit was really popular among fans. Gambit 2005 was horrible, I agree. However, he had another solo series in 2012,which was pretty good, and the author himself said that he's a big Gambit fan, but it got cancelled as X-Treme was also doing badly at the time.

And also, having a bad solo series does not mean they're a bad character. Wolverine and Deadpool have had some bad runs as well, but they're still overly popular. Although I completely agree that solo titles don't really work for X-Men, they're better off as a team. Deadpool's solos worked because he's an X-Force character so it made more sense.

Anyway even though this was a long time ago this was posted, I hope that the negativity will die down because within the right hands, favourites like Gambit and Wolverine can and will improve. It's been done before, it can be done again. Don't be pessimistic. If Gambit does get another solo, I hope it would do the character good justice because he deserves it.

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@sunsetgold: If he does get another solo, I'd be sure to get every issue, which I did with the last solo. I doubt it'll happen anytime soon though. Marvel isn't too invested in the character at the moment.

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#59  Edited By SunsetGold

@stumpy49er: He got a solo in 2012 recently as I mentioned, and that one was well received. And the author (James Asmus) knew what he was doing because he said he really liked Gambit and wanted to give him the credit he needed as so did Chris Claremont, Jim Lee, Marjorie Liu, Nicizea did , to name a few. But I think the six year break was good because having a solo every year just leads to running out of ideas quickly and leaving it in the hands of writers that don't know how to handle beloved characters. They messed up Wolverine plenty of times. This is what happens when a character gets overexposed. With the Gambit film coming out, his popularity may rival Wolverine's again, like it did in the old days. I don't agree with Channing Tatum playing him though. They should have got someone else. I read that Bryan Singer wanted Gambit in The Last Stand and Josh Holloway was in the line-up to play him but he turned him down as he was busy filming Lost. He would have been the best choice.

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#60  Edited By stumpy49er

@sunsetgold: Like I said I got every issue of the Asmus run. It was good, not anything ground breaking but I enjoyed it. Hopefully an extremely talented , super star writer like BKV or Lemire will take a shine to Gambit and demand Marvel let him write another solo. Until then, just enjoy what's been done before with trades or back issues.

You had a really good point about it maybe better to have a break in between each solo. There have been a lot of great characters ruined by overuse by bad writers.

Also you mentioned Deadpool, I think the reason he's so popular is he's become more of a comedic, 'laugh at ourselves' type character. Works perfectly for him and Howard the Duck, but not for characters you want to take seriously.

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