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#1 Posted by Koays (10934 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh this poll is way too simple.

Like, weve seen mutant vaccine stories more then just here and whedon's run. And to be honest, it's such an after thought to the rest of the story and plot that it doesnt make sense to imply that it in its self makes the story good or bad.

Truthfully, it hasnt been fleshed out as an idea yet this time around. We need to wait until Cyclops run in Uncanny starts and this Post-Cure world is explored before we leap to judgement on a minor plot point that really only mattered in the closing lines of a separate arc.

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#2 Posted by adamTRMM (8989 posts) - - Show Bio

Is there a cure from humanity? It's that stupid.

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#3 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (9154 posts) - - Show Bio

@koays: yeah this story can wrap up fast as in started.......if/when jean or xavier/fantomex body, cant they just use cerebro or cerebra to mind whip everything bad nate did and get rid of the vaccine as well ?

@adamtrmm said:

Is there a cure from humanity? It's that stupid.

lol i would like a cure for stupidity (like people who drive while using there phones, dont drink and drive/dont text and drive)o.0

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#4 Posted by Helloman (28525 posts) - - Show Bio

Good idea.

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#5 Posted by PyroFN (5899 posts) - - Show Bio

It’s not a bad idea, but it has been done before and can’t really hold as a main plot point.

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#6 Posted by McKlayn (2663 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a hard one because we barely seen it start. There are alot of things wrong with it just by glancing at it, First and foremost there have been mutant cures before, I cant recall any of them getting out for public use however so that adds something new. HOWEVER this almost puts the mutants back in the whole Decimation era, which is what they tried to do with the M Pox or whatever and that was really bad, we just came off of this why go back there?

The fact that Scott and Logan are set to take on this challenge makes me sad we are getting Boy Scout Cyclops instead of Revolutionary. Or maybe we will get Revolutionary Cyclops were the rest of the cast isnt stupid enough to call him evil because of it <.<

Its been done and thats bad, but its hard to really judge the story until its told so Im willing to see where it goes

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#7 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (9154 posts) - - Show Bio

@mcklayn: im also X-cited for scott and alex team up........."summers brothers pizza palour" make it happen marvel

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#8 Posted by Mizerous (716 posts) - - Show Bio

It's fucking asinine. Imagine someone making an anti God or anti spider drug and forcing it on Peter or Thor. Just a good way to make people look like shit.

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#9 Posted by HAWK2916 (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

Well it's not like there's not a basis for it in the real world and in history. The plot itself has been over and over again so at it's core that's a little frustrating

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#10 Posted by LordMordor (393 posts) - - Show Bio

My first instinct is "been there, done that". We have had at least 2-3 instances of things like mutant "cures". As Mcklayn said, I don't think the cures have ever successfully gone public....so i'll withhold judgement until I see what they do different about it. That said, still very much wish they had tried something a little more interesting to introduce us to this new Uncanny crew

I think the more interesting thing will be less the nature of the problem, but more how the team chooses to approach it.

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#11 Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE (9154 posts) - - Show Bio

mutants aren't a curse, their a blessing :D:D:D XD

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#12 Edited by AsheTDust (1813 posts) - - Show Bio

It’s might work, but it’s one of those storylines that would really need to be fleshed out and run over the course of a couple of years.

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#13 Posted by njchrispatrick (309 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it is working in the sense that it is something going on in the background, not really focused on all that much. I mean even Whedon's version really didn't give as much focus to the Cure as I would've liked. But for this it seems to be more mixed in alongside all the other stuff going down

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#14 Posted by adamTRMM (8989 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916 said:

Well it's not like there's not a basis for it in the real world and in history. The plot itself has been over and over again so at it's core that's a little frustrating

What do you mean?

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#15 Posted by HAWK2916 (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: In history there have been many occasions where so called medicines or cures were used to try and wipe out a group of people. Even today with people actively pouring money into trying to alter genes or have children with certain features from eye color to gender and even intelligence.

And if the idea is a replica of the stupidity and hatred that exists among mankind then they are spot on with that.

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#16 Posted by adamTRMM (8989 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916:

Well, but those are mainly instances of sterilization and infection. What is being done here, if we go into straight up allegory, would be more like if black couples started to breed white children, or vice versa. And that to me, is the epitome of stupidity and lazy writing.

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#17 Posted by HAWK2916 (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: They are trying to eliminate a certain gene or trait, it's been tried in real world situations as well. But honestly if your not a fan of it fine. I really don't blame you. I don't really care for it either because they keep going back to the same stuff over and over and can never execute in the first place

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#18 Posted by Koays (10934 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916: @adamtrmm: Just to run into this conversation because interesting.

To me a more accurate comparison of this would be to the idea of a cure for Homosexuality (which I believe is the route there trying to draw the comparison to). Imagine what the world would be like if tomorrow they said that they had found a way to remove the "gay gene".

You could basically replace the ending epilogue to Uncanny 10 and lines about countries making it mandatory and parents opting for their new born babies to take it.

It is a great reflection of the real worlds fickle belief in altruism. Because the fact is that if they instantly removed all of a minority from the planet. How long would it take for everyone to go from outrage to indifference the way the population seemingly did in Uncanny.

THAT SAID. Weve seen this show already. The only difference is that were seeing it from a slightly different more grounded level by the looks of it. Otherwise it's a rerun that is only a slight change away from being the rerun we just got through with Decimation and IvX.

While I'm far more Hopeful about this rehash because of the quality of the Uncanny 11 issue. It is very easy to crash and burn this by retreading or cartooning this plot

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#19 Edited by adamTRMM (8989 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916:@koays:

Ok, unless I'm misunderstanding your point, I think you are talking about individual cases of intentional genetic alterations. This is of course a fact of life (selection, bioengineering, etc), but in contrast, what we see here is a dismissive generalization of extremely complex elements that make up biological features. The idea that some mcguffin can reduce what evolution has been accomplishing in millions of years so casually isn't just laughable, it's mind boggling. I mean, in comics we do accept mcguffin's role in such solutions, but they have to still be sensible otherwise it's rightfully called lazy writing. Sensible as if by extrapolating those mcguffins we can see they can be explained. For example, Scarlet Witch had the power to alter reality, so she actually rewrote the fabric of spacetime continuum to make mutant gene disappear. Stryfe had the access to Celestial technology so he had literally transcendental means to target the mutant gene selectively, basically he had the access to the original sources and resources that actually caused those mutations in the first place. I don't say it was much better writing, but at least it provided the needed means to make it sensible. Now with Terrigen, The Cure and its replica right here it's different because it has no sensible explanation. If we accept mutants to be a logical extension of human further evolution, then the idea of them being "cured" the way it's proposed would be equivalent to humanity possibly being "cured" into whatever that link between us and whoever is now considered to be our ancestor. Something is off within the narrative right here and they simply dismiss the idea of how complex devolution is supposed to be by creating nonsensical solutions that have more semblance to lame fairytales than actual science fiction that would be "the cure". Voila, and tiger is cat. Voila, and chihuahua is wolf. Yeah, it doesn't work that way...

I hope I was able to make my point clear, because to me it is clear the idea is completely off.

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#20 Posted by Koays (10934 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: Well no, I understand and 100% agree with your point on trying to "cure" evolutionary traits. However I just think your being a bit to literal with the word cure here.

In my mind this is a cure for mutants the way viagra is a "cure" for impotence. While they can label and market it as the cure to a unwanted problem, the science of it seems more based around suppressing and altering the X-gene.

It's more like "take this pill and your problems will be solved" when in reality your simply finding a way of bibasing what is already happening.

Essentially you cant "eliminate" the mutant gene, and even the way they describe what's happening is less like "curing" and more like just suppressing the results. Which considering weve seen people like leech and Rogue in universe "cure" mutations on a surface level, it's not to much of a reach in my opinion to see people focusing on mimicking those effects.

Another interesting point is the scientific basis in work like studies attempting to eliminate cells in people with down syndrome. Something which has seen the slightest beginnings of potential success, but could essentially be seen as the closest real world equivalent to manipulating a gene and eliminating a population. The one size fits all, aspect of the cure is of course where we get into the realm of scifi hardcore, but this is essentially as close as "real science" in comic books can come to gaining the same result as the Celestial mcmuffins or the magic gene removal of Scarlet Witch.

Its definetly an interesting point in just dont think that it's as far reaching as you paint it, mostly because the X-gene as a form of evolution is so awkward in its function that it being removed is less like trying to stop people from growing thumbs with a single shot to me, and more like removing signs that your child would have an extra organ in the womb.

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#21 Posted by HAWK2916 (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: I get your point and as I said the main problem is in the retread and the execution of the idea. Creating a cure or vaccine targeting whatever gene is on the x chromosome is not bad writing in and of itself, I mean we're talking biology and genetics buy again the execution can be better and coming off Decimation and Inhuman gas it's completely unnecessary at this point.

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#22 Posted by adamTRMM (8989 posts) - - Show Bio

@hawk2916: @koays:

Took me time, didn't really have much these days.

So my main point, as K pointed out so laconically, "the magic pill" resolution of it. I don't mind anything being explored in complex and tangible way, just not that lazy and dismissive way.

Another thing is that the entire idea of X-gene is pretty bad I would guess. It should be revisioned for sure and there's a reason why. Where's Rockslide's X-gene exactly? Remember the gaseous mutie from Morrison's run? What about him? Even Sinister that can hop from body to body telepathically (and any other mutant psychic entity per se). There are lots of mutants that don't even possess conventional biological structures or even bodies at this point. So what is "x-GENE" now? It just doesn't work anymore, yet they insist to push it endlessly to make us see even more flaws in this whole concept.

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#23 Posted by HAWK2916 (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: well at a certain point logic has to be suspended if you are a comic book fan. I'm willing to go along with X-gene idea just because how else do explain mutants especially if it manifest in puberty. Now I will say that the better idea at least in my opinion may be the whole Ultimate universe idea of mutants just being genetically altered humans and basically a lab creation or by product of the super soldiers program. This is also why I lobby for mutants being in their own universe. Maybe even after this whole Nate Grey's debacle he can just send them back but they end up in a rebooted ultimate universe

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@hawk2916:

Well, that might be my flaw, wanting everything properly addressed and explained, but as the property and its fandom grows, so should the narrative... At least that's what I believe in.

Maybe have X-gene as a biological agent to the grander ethereal element. Like take the 21 grams of soul idea and incorporate it via mutant conceptualization.

Nah, I actually didn't really like Ultimate idea for mutants. It simply makes the mutates like FF or other "caused by accident" superhumans, only it wasn't an accident. I'm more than fine with posthumans. Just start to treat them as such... Muh oppressed and hunted minority angle is dead end. Move on.

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#26 Posted by HAWK2916 (4840 posts) - - Show Bio

@adamtrmm: well the idea of a superior race being biomedically and genetically engineered is sort of posthuman especially if it's explained as such. Even if its done by accident like say as a side effect to the cure for some disease/syndrome/disorder. Or perhaps humans being mutated for deep space exploration or war or for a country all of that can be seen as posthuman and the "next step in evolution" even if it's just a bit forced. And being in it's on separate would not make the mutants like any other characters in the sense they'd exist only in their own universe. Unless they were made into mutants there would be no Fantastic four and no Avengers only mutants and baseline humans and technology, and this is a big maybe aliens