what s the warrior madness and its quality?

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can someone explain what s the warrior madness , his advantages and disadvantages ?..and also in which comic thor used it?
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#2  Edited By mr.wade

its basically like wolverines berserker rage but on a godly level lol 
but when thors being overwhelmed or somthing in a fight he'll enter a state of mind and his strength will increase 10 times that of his original, hes beat alot of people almost to death with this power like beta ray bill and even fighting thanos to a stalemate 
hope that helps
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#3  Edited By BatDance
@lebretteurfredonnant said:

" can someone explain what s the warrior madness , his advantages and disadvantages ?..and also in which comic thor used it? "

some extra strength, damage soak and extra durability
 
 

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"  and disadvantages ?. "

  He stomps fighting smart and becomes this super strong but braindead Caveman which explains why he always loses to Hulk
 
 
EXAMPLE
Thor hits Hulk with a bolt, Hulk falls over for a second
Now Thor could finish Hulk off by blasting him with bolt after bolt until Hulk is cooked? No.
Once the madness sets in the stupidty also sets in
What does Thor do? he gets into a brawl and allows Hulk to land blows
Thor amps himself on warrior madness gets 10 times stronger knocks Hulk around some more
Hulk amps himself on rage and gets exponentially stronger and stonger until he curbstomps Thor
 
Warrior Madness = an idiot on steroids and road rage getting out of his car to argue with 80 mph oncoming traffic
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#4  Edited By Jk-Prodigy
@BatDance:  LOL
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#6  Edited By Andferne
@BatDance said:
"  He stomps fighting smart and becomes this super strong but braindead Caveman which explains why he always loses to Hulk  "
Save the fact he has never fought the Hulk while in Warriors Madness.
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Warriors madness is a plot device clearly concieved to give Thor the ability to increase his strength.  It was'nt really needed, though, because Thor has a belt of strength that doubles his strength.  Still, the powers-that-be at Marvel decided to give Thor this strength enhancing ability (probably as a way to keep up with the Hulk) to give him a trump card over other top-level strength characters who've already proven to be stronger than him.  They should just state his strength to be at the level they want it at and show him using it.  Then they could dismiss this 'warrior's madness' berserker bullshit they've concocted from the Hulk and Woverine.  Thor is way cooler than either of them and he doesn't need to rip-off their respective shticks to be a bad-mofo.  I mean, c'mon, being extemely angry enhances the Hulk's strength; that's his thing.  Berserker warriors of old were in an emotional frenzy that made them nearly invincible in battle and having that be part of Thor's power-set might make some sense.  However, being in a state of berserker frenzy would'nt make anyone physically stronger, it would just make them able to access his/her full strength.  Like an adrenaline rush.
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#8  Edited By Thor's hammmer


warrior madness 
what it is: a Berserk rage increase Thor's strength 10 fold and bloodlusts him. 
advantages: increases his strength 10 fold increases his pain tolerance a phenominal degree and it seems like his durability but it's never been stated also he fights ferociously. 
disadvantages: he becomes so bludlusted that it would seem he can't tell friend from foe and will try and kill his enemy no matter what gets in his way also he disregards all of his other powers except his strength and durability when in the warriors madness.

 
side note:Thor was not acctually in the warriors madness in the blood and thunder arc he was thought to be because of his mental instability which made him think there was some sort of asgardian conspiracy aganst him and was being affected by the mind valkayrie neither of these acctually involve or are aspects of the warriors madness. 

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#9  Edited By darth_fletcher

the 'Blood and Thunder' story arc is one of my favourites and would recommend it to anyone, plus in the last issue theres an almighty battle between thanos and odin !!!

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#10  Edited By King_Thor

The thing about Thor is there seems to be a number of different levels to his strength as some have already mentioned.  At his normal strength he is already one of Marvel's strongest superheroes.  In an issue of Civil War What If?  Captain America related how Thor told him that he rarely uses more than one-third of his total strength for fear of killing a mortal.  Here's the link: 
 
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9424/screenshot3201.png  
  
So how many battles could Thor have won outright had he used more of his strength?  Of course, these days, he is apparently "...no longer holding back..." as he mentioned in Thor #3 (JMS run...).  So, Thor not holding back is terrifically formidable.  Thor augmented, using the Odin force, as he did in Siege #4, is frighteningly formidable.  Add the belt of strength that doubles his strength.  With warrior's madness?  OUTRAGEOUSLY strong. Now add one of the Marvel universes most powerful weapons and you have Marvel comics making a powerful statement about how they view the thunder god these days.  There has been some griping on other boards about Thor's systematic de-powering over the years.  If there is any question about how powerful Thor is or whether or not Marvel views him as "top dog" I think it has been cleared up with Thor's trouncing of the Sentry.
 
I would love to see Thor in the throes of warrior's madness, with the belt of strength and amped with the Odin force at full tilt.  I mean, how powerful is that?  Because if anyone can quantify that I would like to know. 

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#11  Edited By llagrok
@jloneblackheart said:
" Blood and Thunder "
Wrong, this was not true warrior madness, as Odin confirmed. 
 
Thor only went true warrior madness when Adam Warlock had kidnapped Sif. Which made Thor mad, not stupid. The idiot Hulk writers who had him fighting Maestro Hulk had no idea what they were talking about, as Thor is no longer able to enter Warrior madness, confirmed during the Onslaught Saga.
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#13  Edited By HaveAtThee

Warrior's madness increases Thor's strength and stamina tenfold but he loses much of his cognitive reasoning and logic while entering this state-of-mind.

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Warrior's madness increases Thor's strength and stamina tenfold but he loses much of his cognitive reasoning and logic while entering this state-of-mind.

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Has Thor ever went into Warrior Madness when fighting Hulk?

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@goldking: yes in his fight with Hulk, working as Maestro but it was at the end.

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@powerherc said:
Warriors madness is a plot device clearly concieved to give Thor the ability to increase his strength. It was'nt really needed, though, because Thor has a belt of strength that doubles his strength. Still, the powers-that-be at Marvel decided to give Thor this strength enhancing ability (probably as a way to keep up with the Hulk) to give him a trump card over other top-level strength characters who've already proven to be stronger than him. They should just state his strength to be at the level they want it at and show him using it. Then they could dismiss this 'warrior's madness' berserker bullshit they've concocted from the Hulk and Woverine. Thor is way cooler than either of them and he doesn't need to rip-off their respective shticks to be a bad-mofo. I mean, c'mon, being extemely angry enhances the Hulk's strength; that's his thing. Berserker warriors of old were in an emotional frenzy that made them nearly invincible in battle and having that be part of Thor's power-set might make some sense. However, being in a state of berserker frenzy would'nt make anyone physically stronger, it would just make them able to access his/her full strength. Like an adrenaline rush.

you mean he had the Belt of Strength.

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@powerherc: Thor went into Warrior Madness long before Wolverine was creative in the late 60’s in Thor #166 volume 1 when he demolished Adam Warlock when he was known as Him. This was Adam Warlock’s second appearance at the time. This version of Adam Warlock was on the Silver Surfer’s power level. And during this time, the Hulk getting stronger the madder he gets wasn’t stressed as it is today. That explains why Thor was able to face down the Hulk in a test of strength for one hour in Defenders #10 in 1974. NO WAY that story would be written if “the madder the Hulk gets the stronger he gets”concept was a major part of the Hulk as it is now. That came later in the latter part of the 70’’s. Warrior Madness was created long before that became a major part of the Huljk.

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@batdance: If Thor went into Warrior Madness while battling the Hulk, Thor would do more than knock the Hulk around. Thor would defeat the Hulk before the Hulk got strong enough to beat Thor. Thor would do to the what Thanos did to the Hulk in Avengers Infinity War and what Zeus did. To the Hulk. A 2 times stronger Abomination has defeated the Hulk twice. Now, the second time, the Hulk got up more angry and got strong enough to beat a two times stronger Abomination. Using math and common sense, it stands to reason a 10 times stronger Thor is 5 times stronger than a 2 times stronger Abomination. This is taking into consideration Thor has one shotted the Abomination before and they are at least equal in strength. So, if a 2 times stronger Abomination can lay out the Hulk, what would Thor being 5 times stronger than the 2 times stronger Abomination do to the Hulk? Especially, after seeing what the 2 times stronger Abomination did to the Hulk on two separate occasions. A 10 times stronger Thor battling a base strength Hulk would be like Thor fighting Spiderman in a straight up no agility being used fist fight. It wouldn’t last long. That battle between Warrior Madness Thor and the Hulk wouldn’t last long enough for the Hulk to get stronger enough to beat Thor. This same concept applies to Hulk battling anyone levels above him like Zeus. Zeus demolished the Hulk before he got strong enough to beat Zeus. Warrior Madness Thor would do the same to the Hullk.

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Well it was stated in blood and thunder that there ISN´T a coming back after Warriors madness and everything he did in that arc was on his own strengh or amped by the power stone.

People aaalways forget this.

There seem to be some difference between Madness and warrior madness as there is a ritual you have to do (that sif made, but it´s not as the writers remember that)

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@asgardianweapon: what Sif did was the berserker incantation not the invoking of the warriors madness

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Warriors Madness gives Thor a boost in physical stats but in doing so he becomes extremely bloodlusted and loses reason.

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Warriors Madness gives Thor a boost in physical stats but in doing so he becomes extremely bloodlusted and loses reason.

really tho who at the peak of rage thinks rationally .