So is anyone actually reading the Jane-Thor comics??

I dropped it when she was fighting toe to toe with Odin.

@sumiladon: Lets end this right here! The fact that YOU state that Odin never chose who was worthy shows how unqualified you are to be giving me and others ANY sort of "schooling" on Thor. Who put the enchantment on Mjolnir? Who gave it the ability to replicate Thor's powers? Who told it to "drop" from a WORTHY Thor's hands and it did without question knowing Thor was in the right??? Yeah. I thought so. Odin NOT Mjolnir was who decided who was worthy up until this idiocy laden story was printed.

No. I don't give a damn about Jane' cancer. And no. THAT DOES NOT MAKE HER INTERESTING. That is a big "who cares?" plot. That's a big PIS ploy to make lame brains tear up and sympathize with this fool. If she's SO righteous and SO heroic, (and since she's already an established terrible and selfish absent mother), why doesn't she just stay THORDIS permanently and avoid the sickness altogether?! I mean, she doesn't care about her son as she's not even mentioned him. She only cares that there "must always be a Thor" now, which, incidentally where was this concern for "a Thor" while the Sentry was around for years with no "Thor" in sight??? Guess continuity is conveniently left out to make this story TRY and make sense! Jane as an ambassador makes even less sense! Quite frankly, WHO THE HELL IS SHE??? A long forgotten "lil miss nobody" former love interest that was forced back into the story to make this travesty pan out? What knowledge does she have about Asgardian affairs? Why does Asgard's council or the Council of Realms even care about Earths opinion? Why invite them when they always hate on Thor for siding with it? NO SENSE!

"The most hardcore and badass Thor in decades?!" Where on earth have you gotten this idea from? Really? Where has "Unworthy Thor" done ANYTHING badass "across the galaxy??" He doesn't even have a book yet. He's currently captured like a pansy by nobody aliens and can't shatter his bonds. He's dressed like a hobo. Crying over the damn hammer as if it's the only time he's lost it. Got his arm chopped off by an effeminate nobody while being held by frost giants whom he regularly easily pummels with nothing but his fists! Then is shown in previews of his new series being overwhelmed by his captors and reaching out for the God-awful ultimate hammer because, yet again, he needs it to win despite the fact that he's more powerful than the damn weapon in and of himself. Yeah. His personal story is "progressing TREMENDOUSLY" indeed. "Progressing?" Doesn't that mean that it's continuing? Where? He hasn't been seen since the end of Hickman's great run other than that humiliating scene where he's captured! (Thanks Hicks! Only writer that Thor has actually gotten some real respect from!) Do you work for Aaron?! Honestly?! I mean, you must be reading something (other than that phony's book) that I'm not! Where is this "most badass and hardcore Thor" you allege is now present that we haven't seen in "decades"??? Mind you, if you actually knew Thor's history, NOTHING Aaron has done, including GOT, is on the level of Simonson's Ragnarok and Celestial battle, Oeming's RKT ascendancy, or even Thor's AMAZING defeat of Glory and its 10,000 deity mass of power! All showings with his OWN power. No "necroswords" or "anti-celestial Jarnbjorn" mumbo jumbo. So go back and read some cuz Hobo Thor is, sadly, nothing BUT a joke!

Lastly, who are these "majority" of fans you keep bantering about? The newbies? The SJW's like you who barely jumped on board? If you don't have at least a decade of real Thor under your belt BEFORE the movies came out and are opining on the greatness of this phoney, quite frankly you have no business addressing us TRUE THOR fans at all! End of story. You are not in my league. Quite beneath me and the others quite truthfully. So back off buddy. You're the one trying to force your "vision of reality" onto us. Digital sales. To me those are worthless. When the fad of Thordis is gone, there'll be no tangible evidence of her existence. No ones gonna trade "digital" copies. Lmao! Then you start naming "ms. marvel" as some sort of example? REAL HEROES please not wannabes!

P.S. From what I've seen and heard, Hammerette's story isn't even on the level of Aaron's own "God of Thunder" work, much less on the level of any of the legendary stories I mentioned before! A legendary status Thordis stories will NEVER reach despite the magic of "digital sales" and weak band-wagoner support. That's an actual fact!

Didn't know this book had so many fans. Garbage book that needs to be cancelled so that we may have real Thor back. This thread Reminds me of the vocal minorities that were screaming bloody marry when n52 Lois Lane wasn't the star of the recent Superwoman. They popped out of nowhere .

@thunderingthorfan: Absolutely wrong. Multiple times, other people have been worthy enough to lift Thor's hammer, including Vision, Beta Ray Bill, Captain America, and even Storm, that Odin had no say in. Mjonoir always decides who is worthy. Odin left the enchantmant but has been stated to not understand the complete possibilities of Mjonoir itself.

Who cares plot? Maybe to you. But this depth and conflict is what makes her actually a multilayered character and interesting. Not just a generic, hero who fights villains and keeps a secret identity. Doesnt care about her son? Because it isn't brought up yet. Again, on comics, this happens alot. You are seriously REACHING to force a point. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It's what needs to be focused on story wise that's important. It doesnt matter that the Sentry;s are around. Believing there must be a protector of the nine realms with the hammer doesnt dispute that as "continuity" at all. She is the human who knows the MOST about Asgard and it's affairs. She has been their countless times, as well has stayed there for months at a time, for times, and is inherently educated in it. Of course she is the ambassador of Asgard on behalf of Earth. Asgard and Earth's politics and threats have been continuously, systemically intertwined, obviously there would be in need for one, to keep the balance.

He doesn't have a book yet? That is not an argument. Hell yeah, he looks like a hobo. That is the point. He hasn't cried over the hammer since he accepted the new wielder in the second arc. He is just a badass hardcore, traveler along the nine realms trying to find himself, and he is hardcore. That hammer is no longer the source of his strength and victory. He is genuinelly, a badass viking utilizing battle axes and shit. Mjlnor has always been the source of his power, and without it, he is mortal. But now we see an unworthy thor, who is no joke, and fights like a man, and it is always genius and interesting to see. Oh come on. You and I both know that Aaron has written some of the greatest Thor books of all time. And yes, progressing. He is getting his own Unworthy Thor title in a few months, detailing this hardcore unworthy life he has. Just because you dismiss what Thor utilizes as Unworthy, like the necroswrod and Jarnbjorn, as "mumbo jumbo" and then times where he is worthy like Glory and diety mass of power as "good", doesnt make it mumbo jumbo and good. It just makes you reaching to claim everything showcased as him unworthy as bad, because you want to FORCE it that way, and everything not in this arc good.

You cannot call yourselves "True Thor" fans. You are sexist double standard assholes. Plain and simple. Nobody is a SJW. IF the comic was badly written and did bad by Janes character as well as Thor Odinson, it would be received terribly. But in fact, it is one of the greatest most in depth, character based Thor arcs for both Jane and Odinson in decades. Fad of Thordis? It's been 3 years. How much longer is this "fad" going to last and she will stop toping Marvel digital sales charts. Because there seems to be no end in sight. Ms. Marvel and Thor tops sales charts. This is a fact. Nobody cares about trading anyway. Physical sales are dropping and digital sales are increasing. Even hardcore comics fans are switching over to comixology. Why clutter up your house with countless issues, when you are just interested in the story. I know I don't. Unless its specific issue #1s and #2s, that I feel could be worth something in the future, like most people. Aside from that, all digital, or Volume set trade paperbacks.

@sumiladon: "You cannot call yourselves "True Thor" fans. You are sexist double standard assholes. Plain and simple. Nobody is a SJW. IF the comic was badly written and did bad by Janes character as well as Thor Odinson, it would be received terribly. But in fact, it is one of the greatest most in depth, character based Thor arcs for both Jane and Odinson in decades. "

Might be more helpful if you don't generalize with assumptions of all "Thor fans" and assuming that anyone who dislikes or doesn't read the title are "sexist assholes." Obviously as it comes to any form of artistic entertainment, to each their own as there are those who enjoy a story and those who don't.

@haveatthee: Well said. Actual civilized INTELLIGENT people can carry on a conversation of sorts with other like minded people even through disagreements. When you use foul language like a certain someone you do only two things: 1) you invalidate your argument of being unbiased demonstrating the frustration that comes with being wrong, and 2) show your class as a person. I can insult without foul language!

Lets make this short, @sumiladon, NOTHING you said is fact based! It's all opinion which is varied. I gave you ACTUAL facts from THOR's history. Visión lifted the hammer in the movies. That shows your ignorance and lack of knowledge. Storm lifted a facsimile of Mjolnir made by Loki, NOT Mjolnir. You're looking pretty dumb my friend if I do say so myself! IF you knew Thors history you wouldn't come out with statements that allude to your bias and blatant idiocy! "Thor's powers come from the hammer and without it he's mortal!" He's NEVER been mortal. Again, that was the movie. This isn't Hercules. Lmao! It's funny to see ignorant band wagoners show up to the movies and then try to lecture REAL THOR FANS (and I will continue to say this while knowledge like yours proves that YOU ARE NOT ONE) about the character. Citing movie feats on a comic book thread. PATHETIC! How ignorant of the Thor mythos are you?! The human, like Foster, relies on the Hammer for their power. The real Thor is not a pansy (or wasn't until this hack writer showed up) and has greater powers through his mother than just what Mjolnir can do. BTW- Mjolnir abilities are ODIN born. Without him, Mjolnir is just a hunk of uru. Regardless, all you do is say how fantastic this run is. ALL your knowledge seems to come from a combo of movies, Hammerette's PIS laden book, and your own opinion! This is no way an "in depth" look at Odinson because HE HAS DONE NOTHING AT ALL since he lost the hammer but look pathetic! I'm still waiting for citations of where he's been a "badass" UNDER AARON's run! Don't use Hickman. You're defending Aaron's BS so that's what you're confined to. Hickman's a REAL writer who knows his lore. I'm waiting? Where has his "quest" been shown. Hmm? Where? He just appeared captured and useless like a hobo! You claim to appreciate Aaron's run yet even you dismiss the fact that THOR IS THOR without the hammer! Something even his lame writing skills reinforced early on in his run! Maybe you disregard that fact because the only reason that you think this "story" is cool is because it's a woman who is playing at being a "Thor" imitator and not because the story is actually any good. Everything done in the book is nonsensical! So based on this book, Captain America is "Thor" and Loki is also "Thor!" I gave you examples and you answered to none of them! As I expected! SJWs like you like everything that is fed to them for PC/diversities sake. FANS like me have a brain. We don't buy into crap. And certainly don't speak out about things that we don't know like ignorant wannabes! I know EVERYTHING about Jane's story and it sucks! It has nothing to do with her being a woman. I HATE JANE FOSTER. Always have. ALWAYS will. If Sif was "Thordis" I'd be more than happy. But "THOR" is a name. NOT A TITLE. Never has been. Never will be. If I'm wrong, what's Thors name? Go on! Enlighten me! "Odinson" is not his name. If anything "Odinson" should be the title! "Thunder God" is a title. Thor is a name! A man's name. You just can't stand that this world will NEVER aquiesce to the new societal norms that people like you want to implement. Tough. This is a forum. I can express my disdain as much as you can express your love. Don't insult us long time fans and just avoid our comments and threads and there'll be peace. This thread asks for our opinions. We gave them. You attacked. I don't back down from such things. Tootles!

You just called yourself "Nobody". Plain and simple.

No.. I don't read cancer

@thunderingthorfan: Dude. Other people have lifted the hammer. You didn't even counter them all. Like Beta Ray Bill, Captain America, and even regular human, Eric Masterson, who went by Thor as well. Do you think I won't call you out on your B.S? Second, he is mortal without the hammer. It has been shown countless times. Keep in mind, when I say without the hammer, I don't mean just not holding it. I mean, no longer having use of it. I will not bring up movie feats anymore. However, there was never a backlash of Vision lifting it, however. I find that conveniently interesting. Regardless, there have been many different people to hold the hammer, that Odin never had a say over. On top of that, Mjnoir has consistently introduced new powers, because the story requires it, like when Thor brought back Steve Rogers to life, after Civil War temporarily, to talk with him. That's not nonsensical but this is? No complaints there. But now, all of a sudden, we have to reference and be analky certain that everything is inherently connected to what has been done before. That is completely unfair. You are providing a standard and rule set for this new comic, that no comics ever had to follow. Thor Odinson has fought valiantly multiple times in this comic. What are you talking about. And this time, it is alot more viking badass. We know who Captain America is. We know who Loki is. We do not know who the new person holding the hammer is. That is why she is called Thor. It is as simple as that. It's common sense. You don't know her identity, what would you call her? The new Thor. Not "the new person who is holding Thor's hammer that we do not know the name of, person" Yes Odinson's name is Thor. I definitely do not think this story is good because a woman is holding the hammer. Don't deflect your feelings on me. Its obvious the only reason you dislike the series is because a woman is holding the hammer. I see stories, for what they are. Stories with good character development and depth, is what draws me in. That is also why I prefer Miles Morales story driven comics than Peter Parkers' Dan Slot, mediocre comics. I don't like the new Hulk. His comics are very one dimensional and just basic hulk fighting bad guy arcs, with no actual character based depth and story. Its all a matter of character depth and growth for me.. And Thor is actually growing and development in this more than he has in decades, which is why I love this comic so much, as well as many others..

@sumiladon:

Why i am replying again? Because you are so inaccurate/nonsensical that @thunderingthorfan: I and others lose our objectiveness, but it would be kinda frustrating for other users that are not necessarily Thor fans and read Thor forums, see this nonsense not being corrected... So i will just correct your inaccurate or without any basis claims...

The hammer doesnt make Jane Foster act or talk like Thor. She chooses to act and talk like an Asgardian so that people will assume she is one and not realize she is actually human.

Yes it does in the issue 2 when she first pick the hammer you can see the contrast between her Earthling thoughts and the Asgardian speech, and she was alone... Ex. Earth-Midgard...

Now think how others may think about your credibility if you don't understand what you are reading...

Odin NEVER chose who was worthy to hold the hammer.

He made the enchantment according to his own worthiness beliefs, so technically every time someone is worthy of the hammer he was chosen by Odin...

Odin left the enchantmant but has been stated to not understand the complete possibilities of Mjonoir itself.

Actually Odin always had full control of Mjolnir before the current P.I.S... Scan from Fear Itself below...

Other people have lifted the hammer. You didn't even counter them all. Like Beta Ray Bill, Captain America, and even regular human, Eric Masterson, who went by Thor as well.

And BRB and Captain America (Rogers) were worthy according to Odin beliefs, do you at least notice they never had Thor visual characteristics because the purpose was not be the female version of Thor!?! Eric execution had Odin in the equation he did not pick the hammer and become Thor like Jane...

AS we see the number of times Thor and others have spoken to it, as if it was its own character.

The hammer never gave any feed back to any other worthy character besides Jane...

Unworthy Thor Odinson is no joke.

Under Aaron's Pen he is...

Actually it were the other writers that in the same scenario show something of who he really is...

Al... Ewing

Kieron... Gillen

Jonathan... Hickman

Second, he is mortal without the hammer. It has been shown countless times. Keep in mind, when I say without the hammer, I don't mean just not holding it. I mean, no longer having use of it

Nope (false again)... Donald Blake was the way that Odin found to teach Thor humility, he is not a real character, and you can see that in how Matt Fraction get rid of him...

Mjnoir has consistently introduced new powers, because the story requires it, like when Thor brought back Steve Rogers to life, after Civil War temporarily, to talk with him.

Actually Mjolnir lost powers over the years... Its just convenient that only with Jane it he works like a character when with inverted worthy Loki, there was no character Mjolnir and that was after the whisper...

Steve was just a cameo not driving the narrative like character Mjolnir is now... So at max it was a very brief poor writing because in that moment Thor was still carrying the Odin force...

We know who Captain America is. We know who Loki is. We do not know who the new person holding the hammer is. That is why she is called Thor.

Besides the link that i already posted in the previous page where it shows that the all point of the Pr is her being Thor, you have it in the panels that you like but you don't really understand them...

It is as simple as that. It's common sense. You don't know her identity, what would you call her?

Thordis!?! (lol)

I don't like the new Hulk. His comics are very one dimensional and just basic hulk fighting bad guy arcs, with no actual character based depth and story.

Actually if you understood Aaron's current story you would find out that Jane wielding character Mjolnir is worse than one dimensional, because some decisions are not hers and the feed back of how she is actually acting is random...

Besides all the Asgardians are portrayed in the human perspective when they are Gods with their own beliefs and knowledge, Al Ewing and Kieron Gillen Odin was supposed to be the same character but he wasn't... He was the Odin that we (Thor fans) always knew...

And Thor is actually growing and development in this more than he has in decades,

Lol... These not that distant Thor/Asgard stories in this comics are incomparably superior to the current take...

Thor Vol 2

Thor Vol 3

Thor: God of Thunder

"You cannot call yourselves "True Thor" fans. You are sexist double standard assholes. Plain and simple.

Just because we don't share your opinion, and we justify why?

If i were you i would not reply again... Because you don't have knowledge on Thor/Asgard for that, (and there was no problem with that, if you said you like it but you still are learning on Thor/Asgard and you accept other opinions, but nope... You are just replying because you want to force others to also like it or at least don't say we don't like it) in the end you are one of the worse supporters of the current take, female Thor always had many naysayers and the last thing that Aaron needs is supporters like you...

@asgaard: BRAVO MY FRIEND! For my part, I'm done with this dude. My only goal was to discredit him and show he's just a Female Thor bandwagoning SJW. Which I've done without a shadow of a doubt. Quite truthfullly, he did that all on his own really with his blatant lack of knowledge. He's probably Jason Aaron's nephew or a Marvel undercover......lol. JK.

Jane Foster "chooses to talk like that on her own?"

REALLY?!

Wow! JUST...WOW!!!! Reading comprehension 101. Classes start in the Fall at your local college, @sumiladon!

Better Not.

@asgaard: You didnt prove that the hammer makes her speak that way...at all. Not even a little bit. You interpreted that it made her speak that way. It was never referenced. All it showed was what she was thinking, and what she is saying. It can be pretty obvious that she chooses to speak this way as well, to conceal her identity. No, Odin never had a say, in WHO was worthy or not. Otherwise, only Thor would hold the hammer. Dude literally, all of your responses, aren't even countering my points. It's you avoiding. As I said, there have been multiple times where people were worthy, that Odin had no say in the matter over. That was in countering the comment saying that NOBODY can pick up the hammer unless Odin deems them to be worthy. You can't just say that BRB and Captain America was worth by Odin's standards of Mjlnoir, as an argument in of itself. What does that counter?...that Jane isn't? You aren't utilizing ANY ACTUAL ARGUMENTS. It has been stated that a lot of Mjlnor is still shrouded in some mystery, as showcased in newer abilities and powers being showcased multiple times throughout the Thor comic span. The hammer giving feedback is irrelevant. The fact of the matter remains, is that they speak to Mjlnor directly, thus acknowledging it's own sentience. You cannot pick and choose aspects you want to FORCE your point and think that you will not be called out on your bullshit. What does Cap being a cameo, make any difference to what was shown that Mljnor can do in a CANON comic? Mjinor has consistently obtained new and different powers, such as to travel through time, bring people back to life, transmute elements, it can produce the Anti-Force, can control Anti-matter, and the power to reverse the damage done from his lightning strikes, and bestow other people the power to control lightning.......but yeah, it being sentient is just too ridiculous to accept. You have yet to think in context to the story, on why she is called Thor. It is literally common sense. No, she would not be called Thordis. What would people call her...the new Thor. It's natural. It's like if Boba fett retired, and someone else were to wear his armor, even if people new it was a different person as the bounty hunter now, they would just call him the new Bobba Fett or just Bobba Fett. Because the name can also be the title, when the name is not known. Same as Thor. Has he evolved or grew at all in any of those arcs....or is it just action set piece conflicts, wash rinse and repeat. No, you people are sexist double standard assholes, because your "arguments", against the new Thor could be applied to Thors older comics, or other comics in general. You reach for "problems", Name, the hammer being sentient, to FORCE your point, not to prove it. You don't have standards. You have double standards. Its anti-intellectualism, to the highest degree. You made it inherent to hate this comic before it was even released just because a woman now wields the hammer. The insecurity used to develop this blind anti-intellectulism, is non defensible. It's like you people are getting dumber I swear.

@sumiladon:

Basically your inaccurate claims (that you repeated again) are corrected in the post #60...

@asgaard: No.....no they werent.

@sumiladon: Your logic in why she should be called Thor is completely lacking. The true Thor is still around. What Aaron had to do was have him relinquish his birth name to Jane so that she could carry it like some kind of mantle based upon who has Mjolnir when that was never the basis for Thor having his name or even being the god of Thunder. People don't know her name because she refuses to give it to them. That in itself caused a lot of resentment toward Aaron and his new Jane Thor. We then saw Thor as a character become hobo Thor and lose an arm. Long time Thor fans are under no obligation to welcome this new Jane Thor with open arms as though she should just so easily replace the true Thor just as we were under no obligation to welcome the Eric Masterson version of him which I don't read. I own virtually all of Thor's older comics with the exception of the Masterson stuff because I don't like it. Jane Thor just feels contrived and forced in every way with still no explanation as to what made the real Thor unworthy of wielding his hammer in the first place.

I read and enjoyed the first volume of Jane Thor for what it was.

I do agree though that some stuff was forced very hard. Absorbing Man has always been a brutish meathead but they forced the sexist thug persona on the character a little too thick for me to find natural, not just in Thor but also in Captain Marvel where he goes out of his way to insult her and ask why Captain America follows a woman. Made me cringe because it just felt so forced. Maybe it's just because villains aren't so outright dastardly these days without being super campy. I mean he is the same Absorbing Man that loves the powerful Titania right? So how does he then go from being a guy who doesn't mind having as his life partner and regarding a super-strong female like Titania as his equal partner to telling Cap about ranking alongside a woman (Captain Marvel) who is physically more powerful in every way? That Titania surrender was also pathetic and achieved the opposite effect of portraying strength and somebody who would fight for their own goals even if it put them up against others they respected. You can be her fan but fight her dammit!

Also this sudden reverence for Jane Thor is insulting to other heroines like Captain Marvel who came before because everybody is in this sort of mode of "OMG, the first good superheroine I've seen!". Huh? Come on man. Just write a good comic and I'll be happy. This new Mjolnir behaviour that I'm hearing about from here is making me doubt going for the next volume but I think I'll read it anyway.

Guys, let's be real. Thordis isn't a commercial failure at all.

For example, this same issue number sales for GoT:

You know what difference is? GoT had an extremely positive word of mouth, hell, I almost hate Aaron and picked it up because of said positive reviews. See the difference? Now, this book at least is polarizing and still got the same numbers of GoT, and that's AFTER the relaunch.

I mean, look at Marvel right now. Thordis is one of the better selling books. It's not that people don't buy the book, it's the funny bunch that buys it only to hate as the result. The hell are you even spending your money then?

@adamtrmm: Well said. With those numbers it does seem it's the same people buying it! I bought the first 4 issues of the original Hammerette. Once Thor didn't get his hammer back I dropped it. Thankfully many people online post the entire book for the more controversial idiocy Aaron pulls out of his rear. However, I at least don't think it's a conolete comercial failure. But it is a failure based on the fact it hasn't brought in those women that Marvel intended it to. "Digital sales" this. "Digital sales" that, I keep hearing. She's lost 100,000 physical units since her debut. Are digital sales even trackable by units. Cuz I doubt she's selling 100,000 of them there............

P.S. Yeah. GoT got critical acclaim, but it got NO media coverage! Hammerette was EVERYWHERE!!! No book has gotten such a HUGE push in recent memory. And now, it seems the gimmick availed them nothing.........

@thunderingthorfan:

But almost 50,000 people still buy it. Lots of masochistic Thor fans are part of the,. There are others that freely admit they only buy the Thor book as long as Thordis is headlining. Probably other hype bandwagoners that pick up those "hot and progressive" books. I dunno, but it sells to a wider readership. I mean, if many say say they dropped the book, somebody still holds the sales pretty high, and it can only be explained this way.

I mean, I realize what kind of gimmick it was, but in the end of the day there's a limit to what degree a COMIC BOOK can be successful. Besides, it's pretty obvious they will hold her afloat until the next Thor movie. Probably, same for the Hulk.

@adamtrmm:

You know what difference is? GoT had an extremely positive word of mouth, hell, I almost hate Aaron and picked it up because of said positive reviews. See the difference? Now, this book at least is polarizing and still got the same numbers of GoT, and that's AFTER the relaunch.

But almost 50,000 people still buy it. Lots of masochistic Thor fans are part of the,. There are others that freely admit they only buy the Thor book as long as Thordis is headlining. Probably other hype bandwagoners that pick up those "hot and progressive" books. I dunno, but it sells to a wider readership. I mean, if many say say they dropped the book, somebody still holds the sales pretty high, and it can only be explained this way.

Matt Fraction run was seen like very poor and Aaron had to construct hype for this title (again) in the pages of TGoT, the mentioned run had a very positive word of mouth and female Thor is still relaying in some of that hype since the writer is the same and the reviews try to also be fiction of fiction... Plus there was a huge Pr with mainstream attention (that TGoT didn't have and after the all new all different relaunch the creative decisions are the same and still no answers to a lot of questions), that connected with some people that tries to make this book political, (because the announcement had a lot of backlash), this comic problems are not because of gender but some people try to make that case, on top of that in the comics medium its possible that this new readers support the comic because we are not talking of big numbers like Tv or movies, and even the casual readers or fans wanted (some still read and want) some answers to a lot of pr plot points unlike TGoT that was more story rooted/driven...

Like i also already mentioned you can see this comic has specific new readers because they don't care for the Asgardians spins or other marvel titles with the same appeal but less controversial, since the last relaunch many marvel comics were already cancelled, and the Asgardian spins were all cancelled, TGoT was selling what you posted but there were more Asgardian tiles around unlike now... Its franchise regressive and obviously negative, with the current data nothing says this new readers will stay beyond Thordis and ideology/controversy... Something that affects all marvel comics, if they continue this path they always will have temporary readership...

@asgaard:

Yeah I'm well aware of these developments. Well, if by other Asgardian spinoffs you mean Loki, JIM and Angela, the last was also relaunched, and it didn't survive. JIM was also canceled IIRC back then and I'm not sure if Loki was really successful, wasn't following so I have no idea, but yeah, it isn't the same.

All in all I agree with this, but we should ask ourselves, would they really relaunch Loki and JIM? I doubt it, without a couple of good and popular writers lobbying such an idea, making Asgard a mini-franchise is a bold move that never held on stoically, correct me if I'm wrong. What they are doing now is bringing on a steady and consistent profit while holding the fandom warm, until the next year with Ragnorok release they'll bring back Thor and all fanboys will crawl back like nothing happened giving the franchise yet another boost and even bigger money. The strategy is all win for Marvel to be honest. Just sucks for the fans. But even then, only some fans. Comics readers aren't familiar with the concept of unity.

Aaaand until the next time.

@adamtrmm:

What they are doing now is bringing on a steady and consistent profit while holding the fandom warm, until the next year with Ragnorok release they'll bring back Thor and all fanboys will crawl back like nothing happened giving the franchise yet another boost and even bigger money.

It can happen that way, but for (past) established Thor/Asgard readers like myself it won't be the same as before, nothing says that in the next year(s) they don't keep with the pr's...

Plus i think that was the original strategy when Feige/marvel Studios still were under Marvel umbrella, now that he only answers to Disney we don't see that joint effort like with past comics/movies, either way Marvel comics would never risk any of the current moves/changes without the Mcu movies to hype this characters again...

All in all I agree with this, but we should ask ourselves, would they really relaunch Loki and JIM? I doubt it, without a couple of good and popular writers lobbying such an idea, making Asgard a mini-franchise is a bold move that never held on stoically, correct me if I'm wrong.

I changed the order of your quotes because what you said in the first quote (of this post) basically answers to this quote, from the data that i have, Thor/Asgard fandom in the "happy phase" can support a second spin title (more than that i think not, so probably is not a mini-franchise), obviously that second title can't be written by people who don't know anything about Asgard like Marguerite Bennett... But in terms of worldbuilding and characters setup, Thor/Asgard is very rich and diverse and you don't need to come with much from zero, have a story in the 10 realms with Loki, Sif, Hela, Angela, Valkyrie, Balder, W3, Karnilla, Ulik, etc can't be that hard to build... Yet the writer will have relevance in the equation because Thor was not A lister for the most part of his existence at marvel, and some fans and even writers cultivate a lot of urban myths about the character and his world that are wrong, like Thor's status/powers without the hammer... And who is Odin or Hela...

The strategy is all win for Marvel to be honest. Just sucks for the fans. But even then, only some fans. Comics readers aren't familiar with the concept of unity.

This is very true, and i am happy to see that i am not the only one thinking outside of the fan (yes-men) perspective, we see that comics is the only fictional medium where the Sturgeon's law isn't really applied, reviews for the most part are always positive and few comics are viewed as crap, yet most are not good, a different attitude is needed to elevate standards and privilege the story rooted comics...

@thorthunder98: Heh, I just checked back to see if we were done with the Fake Thor gag. To answer your question with an observation, I live in Virginia Beach and the comic store I go to only orders Thor by request. It is not proof of anything, but it is the truth of my exposure to the new Thor.

Friend wise, all my friends think it is a joke and have stopped talking about the Thor comics. It is a forgotten character outside of the movie universe.

I read the first few issues and then I decided to take a break from Marvel as a whole. I had to pick up Hercules though so that eventually lead to Gods of War which in turn forced me to at least read Civil War II for some context since Gods of War is tied in (very loosely tied in I might add. So far it has managed to stay on track with the Storm story line).

So... I've been trying to support the Jane Thor comics, and keep an open mind, even when things like Jane not dieing against Odin, and other weird things happen, but the last issue that just came out really disappointed me with the amount of returns Aarons shoved into the book

SPOILERS FOR MIGHTY THOR #12

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First Retcon: Uru is an incredibly rare metal from the dawn of time, and hard to get. Even though it is mined by almost all races in the 9 realms, even though all the weapons in asgard are made from it.

-Odin did not enchant mjolnir and give it power, he sealed a sentient God storm in it, and that's where it's power is from

- Odin cannot control or wield mjolnir, the storm won't let him

-the enchantments keeping people from lifting the hammer isn't about worthiness, it's about Odin being Salty about not controlling the hammer, and wanting no one else to be able to use it

-Odin didn't make the hammer as gift to his son Thor, or to test thors worthiness, he didn't even want Thor to use or touch the hammer because salt

- the hammer does not contain the power of Thor or Odin, it's all the Mother storms power. Wonder if he'll return thors lightning powers as the storms powers

- if the Odin needed the mother of thunder, a galaxy level cosmic storm to create mjolnir, how did he create stormbringer, or how were the other dozens of hammers equal to Thors own made, the hammers in fear itself, dargos hammer, thunderstrike, the hammers sutur made, the hammer loki made, the hammers used by the thunder guard. Did they all battle all father level cosmic storms to create those hammers, if they didn't, then how can they be on the same level of mjolnir.

Smh, this is just too much, and trying so desperately to make Odin the bad guy. Hopefully, this will be retconned as another ragnarok cycle and we can move on in a few years.

So, Aaron just confirmed that Jane is Odin level, I mean, the Power of Thor is actually an enslaved female entity that

has been bound by evil, evil men for thousands of generations,

but has now been freed and given itself to a female host to

unleash it's true power. Jane is channeling the full power of a galaxy level storm that can fight Odin. Galaxy busting female Thor confirmed.

@del_torro: so how did Odin control the hammer in fear itself and why is the inscription on the hammer referencing Thor if it really has nothing to do with Thor or his power?

For who is interested, i will post also here what i said in other thread about the posts content immediately above in this thread...

Although my source was not good at all (Youtube, and i only try to read it because something was not feeling right in Thor_Parker description) i disagree with your interpretations, first lets stop the ridiculous claims that Thor is not a God since he is son of Odin (God of the Gods), second you are assuming that the Odin enchantment in this issue is the Mjolnir current enchantment, "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.", when in my interpretation (by this issue) it isn't, in Thor: Son of Asgard we also see young Thor path to be able to lift the hammer that has no inscription that is the crucial part here that you guys need to understand about Thor canon, in Aaron's TgoT young Thor also could not lift the hammer without any inscription...

Later Thor was able to lift Mjolnir but he was such a powerful God + Aesir that he become arrogant, and Odin send him to learn humility with the mortals and here is when Odin makes the worthy enchantment inscription, so this issue doesn't necessarily ignores that, just sets (stupid) events before Thor is born...

Also iirc Aaron was trying to hint something about the Odin force in this issue and it may be that Odin currently is not in possession of it... Making the fight between him and Thordis more acceptable...

Now here is the thing, i still think this issue like everything else that i read from Aaron take on Thor after that whisper is trash, from creative decisions to execution ( here still butchered some concepts like BRBill Stormbreaker, and can/will destroy a lot more in the future), but its a question of being accurate, unlike what some people think we criticize Aaron/Marvel current take on Asgard/Thor with content/facts not because were are just fanboys or sexist... Lets not turn everything as just terrible/wrong by default without acknowledge correctly the canon, because that is one of Aaron's main mistakes, like this issue also demonstrates...

Honestly i am saturated from all this around this comic book character, with so much content in live action i am not very far away from quit comics for good... I will reply and accept ( if proven wrong) in any of what i just wrote, but in the future i will try just ignore Marvel comics because in the end they do not deserve this attention...

Remember read/buy Unworthy Thor comic is support the current trash around this character that had so many "Godly" stories in the past...

@spambot: You didn't counter a single point. Why should and would she reveal her identity. That's like asking why any hero would do that. She chooses not too, and that's that. So, what will people call her naturally? "The new woman who holds Thor's hammer"? Every time? No....they would call her the new Thor...or Thor. It's common sense. The new "Hobo Thor", as you call him is badass too me. The idea of an unworthy Thor kicks as an old-fashion hardcore bearded, Viking, traveling between realms to discover why he isn't worthy and find himself, is pretty badass.

@asgaard: She has been Thor for over 2 years. If it was just temporary readership, she would've stop selling after Secret Wars. Keep in mind, even with the sales he posted, compared to the original Thor, those are still only physical. Not factoring how she continues to TOP Marvel sales charts digitally, every month, surpassing even Spider-man. She is doing significantly better than the original thor, and doesn't look like she is going anywhere any time soon.

@sumiladon: She could just say her name is Jane. There's no basis for calling her the same name as one of the greatest Avengers who is still alive just by virtue of her having Mjolnir. Its ludicrous but if you think it makes sense that's your prerogative. Its not like I can force you to see things my way. I'm glad you like hobo Thor. Hobo Thor would be a little more badass if he didn't act like his name(which is his birthright) was something that needed to be handed to whoever Mjolnir decides wants to be its new owner.

@del_torro: I haven't read that issue, and taking into consideration, most of what you're saying is emotional exaggeration, such as your "salt" comments, everything else you listed, actually sounds pretty cool an an expansion of the Thor lore. Again, if this was revealed as part of a Thor Odinson comic, you people would be jumping in excitement for the expansion of this lore and the hammer which is still mysterious in a lot of ways. But since Jane Foster is holding it, let's take everything as a complaint.

Also, Odin has been a point of contention MANY times before in Thor's comic. What are you talking about?

I finally read the issue with the "Sentient Storm". Horrible

@spambot: Spider-man could say his name is Peter Parker. Daredevil can say his name is Matt Murdock. She doesn't want to reveal her identity. And by virtue of having the hammer, while Thor Odinson does not, and being seen as the one with the hammer on Earth and Asgard, the people will naturally call her Thor. They logically wouldn't call her anything else. Think logically. You are not using logic for your "points". Just fanboyism. Hobo Thor is badass, because he can kick as, natural dirty, hardcore Viking style without the hammer. Which too me, raises up his badassery, far beyond he ever was using that hammer....too me.

@sumiladon: Because what we are talking about here isn't just about logic. It has to do with how we interpret the characters and the writing making use of them as well as how we think they would logically behave based on that knowledge. My thinking its beyond stupid that Thor would hand his name over to Jane while she goes around in a mask letting everyone call her Thor(who I am pretty sure know that the true Thor is still alive) I find to be illogical, out of character and horrible writing. Nothing at all to do with fanboyism. That is nothing but an ad hominem way for you to do try and rebut everything I've said on this. Believe w/e you want, you have also made many, many claims about these characters which others have completely debunked. Which tells me you just pull stuff out of your ass whenever it suits you. I would think I am fully capable of deciding for myself at this point what I consider to be good or bad writing in a comic whether or not you agree with me. You are just refusing to accept that people have valid reasons for dismissing most of what Aaron is doing right now. I can't help that.

@spambot: It's definitely Fanboyism. It doesn't matter whether they know Thor is still alive or not. Which nobody on earth really does, btw. It also doesn't matter that Odinson gave her his blessing. What matters is that nobody knows who she is, and THUS would not call her anything EXCEPT Thor, especially on Earth. On Asgard, she has been called out of that name plenty of times, because the name is a lot more personal there, and thus they would call her very gender specific insults or names. But on Earth, as Thor is just a hero and symbol, that is what she is seen as. I don't have to believe anything. I am using logic and common sense. There is absolutely no LOGICAL reason why she would reveal her identity. You just want her to because you BELIEVE she shouldn't be called Thor. If you were a writer that WOULD be bad writing. You are not acting on what makes sense, but to force what you want, ignoring context of story.

@sumiladon: Believe its all due to fanboyism then. Aaron had to have the real Thor first act like he could no longer be called by the name given to him when he was born and tell Jane to use it(which was the first bit of horrible writing) and have Jane go 'o ok, I'll use it since I have Mjolnir now' rather than to refuse to do so out of respect for the real Thor who she has had a 40+ year comic history with. Instead she is just going around thinking she is Thor now and no one deserves any explanation as to why she has the hammer or where the real Thor is. If that's your idea of great writing then that's fine. I simply see it as being a hackneyed attempt at making a new Mjolnir wielder. No point in continuing to argue this either way.

@spambot: Anybody writing excuses for this terrible Jane Thor comic is doing some serious mental gymnastics to justify it

@spambot: No one on Earth does deserve an explanation as to why she has the hammer. The same way they don't "deserve" to know many things in regards to Thor's lore and mythology on Asgard. It is not their business. What matters is that she is a protector of Earth. Why would she refuse to wield the hammer when Thor can no longer wield it? Its not like her choosing not to will all of a sudden make Thor worthy again. It will only leave the 9 realms without a protector. Again, you are NOT using actual logic.

Thor Odinson was not happy or even accepting of the fact of this new person wielding the hammer. He had to grow into that, after binge drinking and slight depression. He only gave her his blessing, after he decided that he needed to go on his own journey or self-discovery between realms to discover what made him unworthy. That make's sense to me. Because he wouldn't be just pissy and salty the whole time. There would be a point, where he would push past those feelings, and do something about it himself. Which to me, is the beginning of two new journey's of self-discvoery in very interesting ways. But you people just want the same thing, over and over and over and over again. Typical

@sumiladon: dude, I'm done. I'm not reading your latest batch of excuses or reasons to try and argue with me. If you like the new Thor comic then buy it, read it and enjoy it. No one is obligated to like what Aaron is doing though and disliking it doesn't automatically make them chauvinist fanboys. You'll just have accept that others have differences of opinion for what they consider a standard for good writing in a comic.

@spambot: If their opinions are contradictory, it is up to them to be honest with themselves and self-reflect, as opposed to making excuses and circle jerk each other, and expect no one to come in and call them out on their bullshit.

@sumiladon: "Ten years?!" She's been Hammerette for 2 years. Also, Thor has gone on for now over 50 years. She'll NEVER reach his status, longevity, fame, sales or anything else he's done for that matter. Even adding digital she'd be at a paltry 150,000 copies MAYBE. That's what Thor sold as the market began dying out. So she's starting a the lowest end of the spectrum and isn't climbing. Thank God for the movies engraining everyone on earth with the Original and ONLY Thor! Even if she ever appeared in a movie it'll flop just like WW will next year!

@sumiladon: w/e. I'm not wasting any more time with you on this. Its obvious that you came to cv to do nothing but argue with people on this very topic. People are more than capable of deciding for themselves what is good writing/storytelling. Its not just 'o we hate women therefore we can't accept Jane having Mjolnir'.

@sumiladon: What a "badass" he is! Getting his ass kicked by a horde of Alien nobodies repeatedly while stating that if he had his hammer he'd be winning. Yeah! That shows he's got the power! Gimme a f--king break! Just as bad as getting your arm cut off by a nobody while being held by a giant nothing!

@rubear said:

Lol

@sumiladon: Just like I and @asgaard and others have called YOU OUT on your BS or rather on your lack of Thor knowledge! Funny. You use "Thor lore" so much when fighting @spambot but you know nothing about it as proven before! Get it through your head: NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR AARON APOLOGIST BS!!! WE don't like her! We NEVER will. She's a thief! The story is being pulled out of Aaron's a$$ as he goes trying to make up something palatable. The sooner you get that straight in that empty SJW pot you call a head, the better you will be! I know that I'll be tearing her apart every issue she has, making sure everyone who is NOT blind knows how ILLOGICAL her story and your thoughts are!

Reading a comic about woman superhero where she eventually falls for a boy?

The kind i hate the most.

Sorry, feminists but i hate these kind of stories where women fall for a boy as much as i hate shitty harem manga.

@thunderingthorfan:Typo. Yes she's been Thor for 2 years. I don't care that she reaches Thor's level of fame. Even though, in all honesty, all it takes is a good tv series, and movie, for the tides to begin to change in a new generation's perspective. You can have your opinion. Just don't bullshit facts. The reality is that she is one of the top selling comics currently running. And is the number one selling digital Marvel comic, outside of event Civil War 2, along with Ms Marvel. Do not also manipulate circumstances in the comics, that other aspects of Marvel comics have already done just to force something. I don't care that the new movies have guy Thor and that that is what people see as Thor. You are only proving my point even more. You have a shallow emotional non-logical interpretation Thor, seeing it as the want to "win", focusing too much on what other people see. I could care less about other people. Only myself. You can not like the new Thor comics. But the way you people were talking, lying about sales and circle jerking each other about it, and how bad the story apparently is, made it inherently obvious, it wasn't about opinions, but an unwarranted negative venom and the want to eventually win. Your bringing up movies, just outright proved it. You are not helping the stereotype of socially inept immature, nerds. And you thinking that WW will flop is insanely outrageous. I can guarantee it will do better than Man of Steel.