Thor SHOULD win, every time as far as I'm concerned. Thor is much faster, more skilled, and most importantly, has a MUCH greater variety of powers at his disposal. The only advantage Hulk has over Thor is strength, and even that is debatable. I know Hulk has beaten Thor in the comics, particularly in recent years, but every time always came across as PIS to me. Rarely do they have Thor use even a fraction of his powers in Hulk vs. Thor stories, and for some reason usually choose to have Thor just slug it out with Hulk. Again, excluding PIS, Thor should win this fight every single time.
To the guy going on about the superman comparison.. You're probably right about most of that but Stan also kept Thor similar to his mythic image and in true myth Thor is not the smartest of Gods lol. He's said to be a combination of Mercury and Hercules there for even in myth he should have had godly speed as well as his traditional powers.
To the guy going on about the superman comparison.. You're probably right about most of that but Stan also kept Thor similar to his mythic image and in true myth Thor is not the smartest of Gods lol. He's said to be a combination of Mercury and Hercules there for even in myth he should have had godly speed as well as his traditional powers.
Thor is fast, he is 3 times faster than light. Could move faster.
BULLSHIT! the hulk has broken thor's hammer once. So stop using that excuse over an over.. The hulk actually killed thor once, but fucking enchantress brang him back to life. World war hulk. do you think thor could have done as much damage as the hulk did, do u think he could have destroyed Black bolt, The Xmen , The avengers or gamma corps? do you honestly think thor would be able to rip New York city in half with his bare hands? or even Destroy a planet the size of earth weighing 150 million tons with one single punch? Hulk would win.. No questions asked.
thor got over powered in the first picture of this blog.hulk was using thors hand to hit himself in the same way an adult will make a child hit himself.if thor was stronger then it would have been thor killing onslaught and not hulk.also,hulks fight with ironclad sent energy throughout countless dimensions.he has even beat two different avengers teams at one time{including thor}
The Hulk possesses the capacity for virtually limitless physical strength [168][32][37][169][170]. However, each of the primary Hulk personalities possesses a base strength level. While in a calm state, the Gray Hulk is able to lift 70 tons, the Savage Hulk could lift 90 tons, and the Professor Hulk lifts about 100 tons. The incarnation referred to as the "Green Scar" is the physically strongest of all the primary Hulk's incarnations. After being exposed to the energies from the exploding core of the ship that originally brought him to Sakaar, Green Scar's base strength level was dramatically increased. While in a calm state, this incarnation was able of lifting well over 100 tons. However, while in an enraged state, adrenaline surges through Hulk's body, increasing his strength considerably above his base limits. The Hulk also grows stronger the more radiation[56][171][172][173] and dark magic[174] he catalyzes. Among his most amazing feats are supporting a falling 150 billion ton mountain using leverage[175], ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of thousands of megatons in magnitude[176], eventually overpowering the Invisible Woman, the Thing and the Human Torch[177], matching the Scarlet Witch (prior to House of M) and Wonder Man, Iron Man and Vision, while the narration establishes that the Hulk's power is greater than their combined might[178], matching the Super Adaptoid who had acquired strength and durability of a hundred heroes like Iron Man and the Vision[179], closing the doors to a nuclear core that Thor and the Thing together could not budge[135], reflecting Gladiator's ocular beams back into both eyes, and knocking him unconscious[180], knocking the Silver Surfer out with three blows[181], matching two Avengers teams during a prolonged period of time despite becoming gradually weaker due to his physical separation from Banner[182], almost breaking the East Coast and threatening to break the whole planet by the emission of energy from his body[147], destroying the Crypto Man after he was boosted with physical strength superior to that of Thor [183], overpowering Thor[184], pushing two spheres of matter and antimatter apart[185], holding together the tectonic plates of a planet[186], overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet[47], destroying a planet in the Dark Dimension after clashing with Red She-Hulk[187], destroying an asteroid twice the size of the planet Earth with a single punch due mainly to his superior toughness and to an impulse generated by the contraction of both legs[188], overcoming a power-draining mechanism which contained much of the combined power of himself, Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor [189], applying force to the entire space-time structure to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure [120], easily smashing adamantium [169][190], breaking up the space-time continuum [87], ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials[191], and to overcome Onslaught's enormous strength[131](who was at least Celestial level in raw power[192]). However, probably his greatest feat was to send concussive energy throughout countless dimensions by the impact of his collision with Ironclad[193]. Thor even stated that the Hulk may be stronger than he is[194].
thor is faster,i'll give you that but hulk is stronger,more durable and regenerates all increasing with anger ■Superhuman Stamina: The Hulk's body counteracts fatigue poisons that build up in his muscles during physical activity. In an enraged state, he is capable of exerting himself at peak physical capacity for several days before fatigue begins to affect him. However, much like his physical strength, the Hulk's stamina does increase as he becomes angrier[195]. ■Superhuman Durability: In addition to great strength, the Hulk's body possesses a high degree of resistance to injury. The Hulk's skin is impervious to conventional blades, adamantium and vibranium being amongst the very few metals that are truly capable of piercing his skin. The Hulk is capable of withstanding high caliber bullets, powerful explosives, pressures extremes, falls from orbital heights [196][197], maximized heat without blistering, maximized cold without freezing, and great impacts. The Hulk has withstood the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion [73][198][199][99][200][201] and also the Human Torch's Nova Blast [202][172], with a temperature of one million degrees Fahrenheit, without any injury. The Hulk was also able to withstand a planet-devastating impact near of the event[203], a planet-shattering impact at point blank range[188], and a mighty blast from Galactus[204]. The Hulk's durability, like his strength, is fueled by rushes of adrenaline while angry[195]. ■Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his high resistance to physical harm, it is possible to cause the Hulk injury. However, the Hulk is capable of regenerating damaged or destroyed areas of his body (including limbs, internal organs, and even his head)[205], with far greater speed and efficiency than an ordinary human. For example, during a battle with Vector, all of the skin and part of muscle mass of the Hulk were damnified. It took the Hulk few minutes to regain the mass and be completely healed[206]. The Hulk's healing factor also enables him to revert any physical transmutation[207][208][209][210][173]. He also heals faster and more efficiently the madder he gets[195] so i have to disagree with you
@HardcoreMarvelmasterFTW:Please explain how the hulk would win first of Thor is faster much faster he's been seen flying faster than the speed of light. He's also a match form him strength-wise his powers are more vertiable (weather controll, flying) and if Thor would have so much trouble with him he could just BFR him. There is a scan of Thor owning the hulk while he's empowered by Nul after he beat the thing empowered by some other dude.
I can't decide who I think would win. On the one hand, the Hulk can pretty much destroy anything. On the other hand, Zeus won and Zeus is a God. So is Thor so technically, Thor should win. But then again, the Hulk is nearly a God himself. Beats me, I don't know.
But I just figured there was once Namor, Prince of Atlantis, also known as the Submariner, could defeat the Hulk, Avengers, third edition, 1963. As long as the Submariner was in his own domain, under water, he was stronger than the Hulk. So possibly Thor could have a trick like that too.
One Un-held back hit from thor with his power would kill Hulk. I forgot what one but in a issue he hit hulk a bit harder then usual and nearly killed him, he said it is hard to know how much to hold back. So that leaves me to say one un-held hammer shot would kill hulk.. Also could he just not drop him hammer on hulk and kick the living hell outa his face until he dies or something? or throw him into space?
Stan lee created thor to beat hulk. Thor wins with a stomp if he wants to, but will probably lose his hammer worthyness if he one shots hulk.
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He stomped them both ( thing and hulk ) no odin force and 1 hand and no hammer not holding back.
One Un-held back hit from thor with his power would kill Hulk. I forgot what one but in a issue he hit hulk a bit harder then usual and nearly killed him, he said it is hard to know how much to hold back. So that leaves me to say one un-held hammer shot would kill hulk.. Also could he just not drop him hammer on hulk and kick the living hell outa his face until he dies or something? or throw him into space?
Stan lee created thor to beat hulk. Thor wins with a stomp if he wants to, but will probably lose his hammer worthyness if he one shots hulk.
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He stomped them both ( thing and hulk ) no odin force and 1 hand and no hammer not holding back.
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This is correct. Stan DID create Thor to be stronger than Hulk. It was not until the DeFalco era that the notion that Hulk should be stronger than Thor became popular. And I believe Stan created Thor as Marvel's answer to Superman. Stan has always made comparisons between his early creations, including Thor, with Superman. They are very similar in terms of powers (although Mjolnir gives Thor the decided advantage). But while Superman's obvious adavantage is his speed, Thor's notable advantage is his magical/mystical source of power, which Superman does not have a WEAKNESS to so much as he has no defense against it any more than the average human being.
Having said that, Thor was initially designed by Stan to be Marvel's ultimate powerhouse superhero, and superior to the Hulk, not only in total power set, but raw, brute strength. At the Hulk's angriest, he is about the same as Thor in strength (see Defenders 10).
@HardcoreMarvelmasterFTW: kid, let me explain something to you. hulk struggles to beat a thor that barely uses a fraction of his power. in pretty much all their fights he just slugs it out with him and hes still able best him sometimes, and even then he still holds back of what hes physically capable of doing. if thor used attacks like speed blitzing, controlling the hammer with his mind, using his lightning, god blast, winds from a 1000 worlds, hulk would get decimated. of course, thats not allowed because we cant have the hulk fan boys wet their panties, now can we? thor easily outclasses him in almost every aspect
@majestic99: he is stronger at a base level compared to savage hulk, but savage hulk could easily surpass him, but thor is not stronger that WWH
I doubt very much that Thor is in fact stronger than a Savage Hulk at base levels. At least its something thats never been shown or even hinted at in an actual comic. The only evidence for it comes from older versions of the Marvel Handbooks. Even then, ever since the Merged Hulk appeared Hulks base strength has been listed as Class 100 and i'm pretty sure the same would happen if there was an entry given for the Savage Hulk today. Like many things its a popular idea with some people on the internet but no, theres nothing to really indicate that any of the green Hulks start off weaker than Thor.
BULLSHIT! the hulk has broken thor's hammer once. So stop using that excuse over an over.. The hulk actually killed thor once, but fucking enchantress brang him back to life. World war hulk. do you think thor could have done as much damage as the hulk did, do u think he could have destroyed Black bolt, The Xmen , The avengers or gamma corps? do you honestly think thor would be able to rip New York city in half with his bare hands? or even Destroy a planet the size of earth weighing 150 million tons with one single punch? Hulk would win.. No questions asked.
That scan of Hulk destroying Mjolnir happened inside Hulk's head. It was a "What If?" dream sequence of what he wished he could do. It never happened. Hulk has punched Mjolnir before and appeared to break his hand. The situation with Enchantress and Hulk bringing Thor to death's door, was in a cartoon that is non canon ... so it doesn't fit within mainstream continuity. So it can't be used in discussion on these forums, since it essentially never happened. Also in response to your other post, that I just noticed, Hulk has never picked up or walked around with Thor's hammer. Hulk cannot pick up Mjolnir in 616 Marvel or break the enchantment with brute strength. It has never happened.
To say Thor isn't strong or is nothing without the hammer would also be a mistake, considering that Thor's greatest strength feats; Such as lifting the Midgard Serpent or turning back the World Engine with his bare hands, against the will of the World Tree (which binds the 9 realms at the axis of all things and is nearly the size of a solar system) have nothing to do with Mjolnir. Thor has complete control of the elements and can still even summon the will of Asgard in the form of a Godblast radiating from his very being, without the aid of Mjolnir. The Godblast has caused Galactus to flee and has cracked the armor of a Celestial.
Thor (bloodlusted and at classic levels) has defeated Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Beta Ray Bill, Drax, and the entire Infinity Watch at the same time - So yes Thor would easily be capable of doing as much damage if he were enraged and taking on Earth's heroes in the Marvel Universe. If Thor ever lost control the way Hulk did during WWH, it could be said to be equivalent to Thor entering the Warrior Madness. This would place Thor at least 10 times his current strength - which in itself is already incalculable or uncapped. At the end of The Infinity Gem saga; Odin stated that Thor was clouded by anger under the influence of The Valkyrie ... but not truly in The Madness. This is because there is no cure for the Madness - but if that ever were to happen, he (Odin) would be forced to do everything in his power to put him down like a rabid dog ... because Thor would become a galactic threat.
Thor can create storms on a global scale that could raze the entire surface of Earth. Thor and Beta Ray Bill have each shattered planets. Thor has sent shockwaves with a single strike that have leveled cities for miles on end and entire mountain ranges. Thor has struck with enough force that the ripples were felt across galaxies. Thor has created storms in Asgard that were so powerful they transcended an entire dimension to Midgard and leveled cities ... in which the damage had to be reversed by Odin in the aftermath. Thor has absorbed and contained explosions that would destroy 1/5 the known Universe. Thor has absorbed the power from an all out assault by Glory (the power of 10,000 pantheon Gods) and sent it back at the entity - tearing through Glory and reality itself. Thor has absorbed power through Mjolnir and channeled it to reignite a dead sun to give a solar system a new chance at life. Thor has used Mjolnir to force back Galactus into retreat out of the fear of being destroyed - keep in mind that Galactus has taken "The Big Bang" straight to the face. So something as simple as shaking Manhattan or destroying New York, would be a very casual task for Thor by comparison.
Though I'm not necessarily looking for a debate on who would win (I've had enough discussion on that in the past) of course feel free to respond if you like. I mainly just wanted to clarify that scan you posted and the false statements made that are outside of 616 continuity - as well as address any statements made, to give you some insight, about these things you seem to believe Thor is not capable of doing.
@majestic99: he is stronger at a base level compared to savage hulk, but savage hulk could easily surpass him, but thor is not stronger that WWH
I doubt very much that Thor is in fact stronger than a Savage Hulk at base levels. At least its something thats never been shown or even hinted at in an actual comic. The only evidence for it comes from older versions of the Marvel Handbooks. Even then, ever since the Merged Hulk appeared Hulks base strength has been listed as Class 100 and i'm pretty sure the same would happen if there was an entry given for the Savage Hulk today. Like many things its a popular idea with some people on the internet but no, theres nothing to really indicate that any of the green Hulks start off weaker than Thor.
you're kind of right bur the only instance i could come up with is when thor and hulk were locked in a hold, for an hour, thats the only time thor has demonstrated that hulk that he was at fisrt stronger than hulk, but i agree with you
I dont really take that one as evidence that Thor was stronger at the beginning of the fight. In fact i think its pretty clear that Hulks getting stronger with anger was just ignored in that story. Its never mentioned and both characters go at each other and then lock up for 90 minutes with no seeming change in the "They are exactly matched!" dynamic. People like to come up with their own explanations (Hulk was weaker at the beginning, Thor also has dynamic strength, Hulk can only get as strong as Thor) but i think thats by far the simplest explanation and undoubtedly the correct "out of story" one.
That issue is of course one of their oldest fights and both characters were only 10 years old at that point so i dont think Hulks madder stronger power was particularly famous at that point. And of course, as any Thor fan will be happy to tell you, sometimes even core powers go missing in fights. From what the guy who runs Hero Envy said the writer of the story just felt that Thor and Hulk seemed like the two strongest guys around and wrote the story accordingly.
do you know what i honestly think? i think hulk is nothing more than a bullshit character thats been overrated beyond belief due to popularity, PIS/CIS, and poor writing. thors feats outclass hulk by strength, durability, speed, and versatility. he could easily obliterate hulk in numerous ways because he has so many effective abilities. he could kill him with a god blast, KO him with lightning, rip him to shreds with winds from a 1000 worlds, speedblitz him, KO him with unrestrained blows, or simply dimension dump him somewhere or knock him to the sun. thor just easily could make hulk look like trash if he really wanted to. its stupid how writers make it seem like hulk is better than thor just because hes more popular
thank you for speaking so eloquently about something that has irritated me for quite some time
@Fifthchild said:
@TheAcidSkull said:
@majestic99: he is stronger at a base level compared to savage hulk, but savage hulk could easily surpass him, but thor is not stronger that WWH
I doubt very much that Thor is in fact stronger than a Savage Hulk at base levels. At least its something thats never been shown or even hinted at in an actual comic. The only evidence for it comes from older versions of the Marvel Handbooks. Even then, ever since the Merged Hulk appeared Hulks base strength has been listed as Class 100 and i'm pretty sure the same would happen if there was an entry given for the Savage Hulk today. Like many things its a popular idea with some people on the internet but no, theres nothing to really indicate that any of the green Hulks start off weaker than Thor.
Hulk as savage only starts with a strength level near 90 tons (as stated on his marvel.wikia page) he can become angry to the point of being stronger than thor but if he does appear to be stronger it means he either A, got angry really fast, or B, thor is holding a LOT back
thank you for speaking so eloquently about something that has irritated me for quite some time
@Fifthchild said:
@TheAcidSkull said:
@majestic99: he is stronger at a base level compared to savage hulk, but savage hulk could easily surpass him, but thor is not stronger that WWH
I doubt very much that Thor is in fact stronger than a Savage Hulk at base levels. At least its something thats never been shown or even hinted at in an actual comic. The only evidence for it comes from older versions of the Marvel Handbooks. Even then, ever since the Merged Hulk appeared Hulks base strength has been listed as Class 100 and i'm pretty sure the same would happen if there was an entry given for the Savage Hulk today. Like many things its a popular idea with some people on the internet but no, theres nothing to really indicate that any of the green Hulks start off weaker than Thor.
Hulk as savage only starts with a strength level near 90 tons (as stated on his marvel.wikia page) he can become angry to the point of being stronger than thor but if he does appear to be stronger it means he either A, got angry really fast, or B, thor is holding a LOT back
The Marvel page at wikia.com page has zero authority at the end of the day. At least the Handbooks were made by Marvel and they still ultimately come a pretty poor second to the comics themselves in the eyes of most people. Anyway theres zero evidence that Thor has held back heavily such that Hulk might only look equal to Thor in strength. Why would he do this - so as not to hurt Hulks feelings? Way back in their first proper fight Thor wanted to toss away Mjolnir so that he could find out who was the stronger. That doesnt sound like Hulk was someone Thor had to hold back a LOT of his strength against in order for them to appear equal. How could Thor possibly not have won every single fight if he not only had a hammer and lightning powers but he was a LOT stronger for 90% of every fight?
thank you for speaking so eloquently about something that has irritated me for quite some time
@Fifthchild said:
@TheAcidSkull said:
@majestic99: he is stronger at a base level compared to savage hulk, but savage hulk could easily surpass him, but thor is not stronger that WWH
I doubt very much that Thor is in fact stronger than a Savage Hulk at base levels. At least its something thats never been shown or even hinted at in an actual comic. The only evidence for it comes from older versions of the Marvel Handbooks. Even then, ever since the Merged Hulk appeared Hulks base strength has been listed as Class 100 and i'm pretty sure the same would happen if there was an entry given for the Savage Hulk today. Like many things its a popular idea with some people on the internet but no, theres nothing to really indicate that any of the green Hulks start off weaker than Thor.
Hulk as savage only starts with a strength level near 90 tons (as stated on his marvel.wikia page) he can become angry to the point of being stronger than thor but if he does appear to be stronger it means he either A, got angry really fast, or B, thor is holding a LOT back
The Marvel page at wikia.com page has zero authority at the end of the day. At least the Handbooks were made by Marvel and they still ultimately come a pretty poor second to the comics themselves in the eyes of most people. Anyway theres zero evidence that Thor has held back heavily such that Hulk might only look equal to Thor in strength. Why would he do this - so as not to hurt Hulks feelings? Way back in their first proper fight Thor wanted to toss away Mjolnir so that he could find out who was the stronger. That doesnt sound like Hulk was someone Thor had to hold back a LOT of his strength against in order for them to appear equal. How could Thor possibly not have won every single fight if he not only had a hammer and lightning powers but he was a LOT stronger for 90% of every fight?
I think you misunderstood me, thor BEGINS stronger than hulk but hulk can become stronger much faster (I've seen a lot of threads on the vine about hulk and thor's strength and this is the general consensus), also he holds back a lot because he is accustomed to doing so. Also the books and the wikia actually make MORE sense than the comics because these are not real characters and different writers portray them differently (mostly based on popularity which is why hulk wins most of the fights), heck, I've read comics where hulk can catch gladiator (who can move faster than light) and others where he has trouble keeping up with spiderman. I say all this as a hulk fanboy. Hulk definitely ranks six to five at least on my list of favorite supers, thor would rank fifteen, but if you look at the facts objectively thor takes the cake.
Hulk as savage only starts with a strength level near 90 tons (as stated on his marvel.wikia page) he can become angry to the point of being stronger than thor but if he does appear to be stronger it means he either A, got angry really fast, or B, thor is holding a LOT back
The Marvel page at wikia.com page has zero authority at the end of the day. At least the Handbooks were made by Marvel and they still ultimately come a pretty poor second to the comics themselves in the eyes of most people. Anyway theres zero evidence that Thor has held back heavily such that Hulk might only look equal to Thor in strength. Why would he do this - so as not to hurt Hulks feelings? Way back in their first proper fight Thor wanted to toss away Mjolnir so that he could find out who was the stronger. That doesnt sound like Hulk was someone Thor had to hold back a LOT of his strength against in order for them to appear equal. How could Thor possibly not have won every single fight if he not only had a hammer and lightning powers but he was a LOT stronger for 90% of every fight?
I think you misunderstood me, thor BEGINS stronger than hulk but hulk can become stronger much faster (I've seen a lot of threads on the vine about hulk and thor's strength and this is the general consensus), also he holds back a lot because he is accustomed to doing so.
No thats exactly what I thought you said. I just dont agree. I dont think Thor starts stronger than your normal green Hulk (the Grey Hulk is of course another matter). I know this is what most people think on the Vine but a lot of the time people are just parroting what they heard someone else said.
As for Thor holding back, sure he holds back when he fights vulnerable types with The Avengers (and 90% of his time on Earth is spent with them) but in half of his Hulk fights we are explicitly told he isn't holding back or is outright seeking Hukl's destruction. It doesnt change the outcome much.
Also the books and the wikia actually make MORE sense than the comics because these are not real characters and different writers portray them differently (mostly based on popularity which is why hulk wins most of the fights),
I dont agree with this reasoning either. They aren't real characters. To try and reason as if they are and then produce a Handbook that doesnt really reflect that but instead tries to impose a logic that contradicts 90% of all stories is a bit of a fail. I mean its fun to an extent to argue as if these things are real but when it gets to the point where people are saying "the sky on Marvel Universe Earth is red" because the Handbook says so then i think its pretty safe to ignore that.
heck, I've read comics where hulk can catch gladiator (who can move faster than light) and others where he has trouble keeping up with spiderman. I say all this as a hulk fanboy. Hulk definitely ranks six to five at least on my list of favorite supers, thor would rank fifteen, but if you look at the facts objectively thor takes the cake.
I dont think theres anything objective to say that Thor is Hulks superior. If Hulk was merely Thor without the hammer then it would be a lot harder to make the case beyond shrugging the shoulders and saying "comics make no sense" but Hulk has a pretty mean powerset for straight beating people up. OTOH if Thor or whoever isn't Godblasting and/or transmuting everything under the sun, people on sites like this assume that its because "he forgot" he could actually do that and not because under 99/100 writers Thor doesn't actually have any transmutation powers. This mindset is always going to mean that on forums like this people like Thor or the Surfer etc are going to be rated much higher than one would otherwise conclude based on how they perform in the comicbooks themselves.
Also the books and the wikia actually make MORE sense than the comics because these are not real characters and different writers portray them differently (mostly based on popularity which is why hulk wins most of the fights),
I dont agree with this reasoning either. They aren't real characters. To try and reason as if they are and then produce a Handbook that doesnt really reflect that but instead tries to impose a logic that contradicts 90% of all stories is a bit of a fail. I mean its fun to an extent to argue as if these things are real but when it gets to the point where people are saying "the sky on Marvel Universe Earth is red" because the Handbook says so then i think its pretty safe to ignore that.
now that picture (click on the link, it wouldn't show up in the post) shows thor knocking a super-empowered hulk who is much stronger than usual into space, now hulk has no way of locomotion in space, and would die if left there for a day or two, so who do you think would win?
Also the books and the wikia actually make MORE sense than the comics because these are not real characters and different writers portray them differently (mostly based on popularity which is why hulk wins most of the fights),
I dont agree with this reasoning either. They aren't real characters. To try and reason as if they are and then produce a Handbook that doesnt really reflect that but instead tries to impose a logic that contradicts 90% of all stories is a bit of a fail. I mean its fun to an extent to argue as if these things are real but when it gets to the point where people are saying "the sky on Marvel Universe Earth is red" because the Handbook says so then i think its pretty safe to ignore that.
now that picture (click on the link, it wouldn't show up in the post) shows thor knocking a super-empowered hulk who is much stronger than usual into space, now hulk has no way of locomotion in space, and would die if left there for a day or two, so who do you think would win?
Have you actually read Fear Itself?
After getting swatted around for a bit by Worthy Hulk and Thing (mostly Worthy Thing) Thor pretty coldly kills the Thing despite him being a good friend who Thor liked. As Thor now goes on the attack he declares that he has never in fact liked Hulk at all and he's now going to kill him. I guess Worthy hulk is screwed now?
The next thing we see is Thor on his knees beat the hell up before an impassive hulk declaring that he could never beat Hulk. Thor begins charging up the biggest lightning bolt I've ever seen from him (he was actually glowing with energy beforehand) and unleashes it on Hulk just as the lunging Hulk is above him. The end result is the conscious, angry and apparently unhurt Hulk gets BFRed while Thor promptly collapses into unconsciousness and is dragged back to Asgard where Odin declares That the battle left him with wounds not even he can heal.
So Thor gives absolutely everything he has and only manages to put some distance between himself and Nul (who wasn't actually left floating in space as the scan itself shows). Ironically not only was Worthy Hulks life not endangered (he went on to smash a vampire/monster army, break adamantium, crush a Mjolnir-equivalent hammer in his bare hands etc) but it was Thor who quite possibly would have died without medical attention after this battle.
Hell I know Thor fans on Alvaro's who stopped posting they were so pissed off and disappointed in how this turned out for Thor. It's hardly a great example of "why Thor would win" and it's a showing I felt pretty comfortable with as a Hulk fan. There are a couple of asterisks to the whole thing of course and in the end I would still count it as a win for Thor but its the sort of win the hero pulls off in a last ditch desperate struggle against a more powerful opponent and not really an example of Thor's superiority.
Also the books and the wikia actually make MORE sense than the comics because these are not real characters and different writers portray them differently (mostly based on popularity which is why hulk wins most of the fights),
I dont agree with this reasoning either. They aren't real characters. To try and reason as if they are and then produce a Handbook that doesnt really reflect that but instead tries to impose a logic that contradicts 90% of all stories is a bit of a fail. I mean its fun to an extent to argue as if these things are real but when it gets to the point where people are saying "the sky on Marvel Universe Earth is red" because the Handbook says so then i think its pretty safe to ignore that.
now that picture (click on the link, it wouldn't show up in the post) shows thor knocking a super-empowered hulk who is much stronger than usual into space, now hulk has no way of locomotion in space, and would die if left there for a day or two, so who do you think would win?
Have you actually read Fear Itself?
After getting swatted around for a bit by Worthy Hulk and Thing (mostly Worthy Thing) Thor pretty coldly kills the Thing despite him being a good friend who Thor liked. As Thor now goes on the attack he declares that he has never in fact liked Hulk at all and he's now going to kill him. I guess Worthy hulk is screwed now?
The next thing we see is Thor on his knees beat the hell up before an impassive hulk declaring that he could never beat Hulk. Thor begins charging up the biggest lightning bolt I've ever seen from him (he was actually glowing with energy beforehand) and unleashes it on Hulk just as the lunging Hulk is above him. The end result is the conscious, angry and apparently unhurt Hulk gets BFRed while Thor promptly collapses into unconsciousness and is dragged back to Asgard where Odin declares That the battle left him with wounds not even he can heal.
So Thor gives absolutely everything he has and only manages to put some distance between himself and Nul (who wasn't actually left floating in space as the scan itself shows). Ironically not only was Worthy Hulks life not endangered (he went on to smash a vampire/monster army, break adamantium, crush a Mjolnir-equivalent hammer in his bare hands etc) but it was Thor who quite possibly would have died without medical attention after this battle.
Hell I know Thor fans on Alvaro's who stopped posting they were so pissed off and disappointed in how this turned out for Thor. It's hardly a great example of "why Thor would win" and it's a showing I felt pretty comfortable with as a Hulk fan. There are a couple of asterisks to the whole thing of course and in the end I would still count it as a win for Thor but its the sort of win the hero pulls off in a last ditch desperate struggle against a more powerful opponent and not really an example of Thor's superiority.
Totally agree with the blog post. Unfortunately writers hardly ever have Thor use his hammer's full powers unless faced with an uber cosmic god threat. He should easily beat the Hulk but for story purposes. he can never claim a decisive victory.
@TheAcidSkull: yeah it was, because when you compare them logically like i just did you get the conclusion of thor slaughtering hulk like a farm animal
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