Would you be okay if these powers got removed?

Avatar image for redwingx
redwingx

1360

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1  Edited By redwingx

Freeze breathe and x-ray. Maybe super hearings to!

They never get used even when he really should use them. Writers ignore that he has these powers all the time.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

Nope. They are heavily connected with Supes powerset.

And seriously? X-rays and super-hearing aren't used frequently? What Superman comics are you reading?

Avatar image for pperspectiveandreality
Pperspectiveandreality

2096

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 5

He's been using all three recently.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

He's been using all three recently.

And even expanding them!

Recently we got the sonar hearing and the X-rays vision to be only a part of the electromangetic vision of Supes, since in AC 2 he used microwaves and said he can emit every electromagnetic ray he wants and in Unchained 1 it was again shown with his Gamma vision.

Avatar image for ultimatesmfan
UltimateSMfan

2377

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Nope.

Avatar image for sanohibiki
SanoHibiki

4338

Forum Posts

17

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Perhaps freeze breath not used regularly, but Superman utilizes other two abilities very often.

Plus they’re perfectly suited for the Kryptonian powerset so I prefer that they stay.

Avatar image for redwingx
redwingx

1360

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

And seriously? X-rays and super-hearing aren't used frequently? What Superman comics are you reading?

Just Geoff John's new Superman atm.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@redwingx said:

@squalleon said:

And seriously? X-rays and super-hearing aren't used frequently? What Superman comics are you reading?

Just Geoff John's new Superman atm.

Didn't he used his super-hearing at the beginning of that issue?

Avatar image for redwingx
redwingx

1360

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@redwingx said:

@squalleon said:

And seriously? X-rays and super-hearing aren't used frequently? What Superman comics are you reading?

Just Geoff John's new Superman atm.

Didn't he used his super-hearing at the beginning of that issue?

It was Heat vision I think.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@redwingx said:

@squalleon said:

@redwingx said:

@squalleon said:

And seriously? X-rays and super-hearing aren't used frequently? What Superman comics are you reading?

Just Geoff John's new Superman atm.

Didn't he used his super-hearing at the beginning of that issue?

It was Heat vision I think.

He used super-hearing when he was listening to someone calling for help.

From the preview:

Avatar image for redwingx
redwingx

1360

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#11  Edited By redwingx

I just the read issue again and missed this part. <_<

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@redwingx said:

I just the read issue again and missed this part. <_<

How? :-P
Anyway, as I said before all of Superman's powers are used frequently and lately even explored more. There is a reason the only powers that were left after the Silver Age were them.

Avatar image for blackhawk000111
blackhawk000111

980

Forum Posts

537

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I only wanted his super speed to be removed

Avatar image for dwightspitz
DwightSpitz

594

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Maybe the freeze breath, the other stuff is too essential to Supes.

Avatar image for pperspectiveandreality
Pperspectiveandreality

2096

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 5

@squalleon:

And he can freeze intangible particles like he recently did in Action Comics. He's expanding these abilities like never before IMO.

Avatar image for superguy1591
Superguy1591

7539

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

#16  Edited By Superguy1591

@blackhawk000111: Then he won't be able to save as many people... plus, speed has been with Superman since issue 1. Strength of a locomotive, defying gravity by leaping tall buildings, speed of a speeding bullet.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@squalleon:

And he can freeze intangible particles like he recently did in Action Comics. He's expanding these abilities like never before IMO.

Nice to see that creators became more imaginative with them.

Avatar image for superguy1591
Superguy1591

7539

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@squalleon: Pak-man is a genius.

Yeah, I wouldn't go that far but he is a good fit for Superman. He has a good handle on powerhouses and light-hearted stories (without making them simplistic of childish).

Avatar image for juke
Juke

855

Forum Posts

66

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 5

I think the freeze-breath is awesome.

Avatar image for deactivated-5edd330f57b65
deactivated-5edd330f57b65

26437

Forum Posts

815

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I wouldn't care that much but he does use them often. If they were removed I would be fine with it, and it would make him have to use his other powers more creatively, but he does actually use those a lot.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@jayc1324 said:

I wouldn't care that much but he does use them often. If they were removed I would be fine with it, and it would make him have to use his other powers more creatively, but he does actually use those a lot.

How exatly using super-strength creatively helps you compensate for the lack of super-hearing :-P

Avatar image for nova_prime_
Nova`Prime`

4172

Forum Posts

25

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

And even expanding them!

Recently we got the sonar hearing and the X-rays vision to be only a part of the electromangetic vision of Supes, since in AC 2 he used microwaves and said he can emit every electromagnetic ray he wants and in Unchained 1 it was again shown with his Gamma vision.

Forgive my ignorance but what is sonar hearing?

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@squalleon said:

And even expanding them!

Recently we got the sonar hearing and the X-rays vision to be only a part of the electromangetic vision of Supes, since in AC 2 he used microwaves and said he can emit every electromagnetic ray he wants and in Unchained 1 it was again shown with his Gamma vision.

Forgive my ignorance but what is sonar hearing?

The good thing about not knowing this, is that you didn't read Lobdell's run :D

Anyway it was an extension of super-hearing, Superman's hearing worked as a sonar mapping a threat based on the sound his ears picked up.

Avatar image for dianaxkal
DianaXKal

520

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I wouldn't like him losing any of his powers.

Avatar image for superguy1591
Superguy1591

7539

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for kgb725
kgb725

24239

Forum Posts

227

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

He uses super hearing to help people around the world

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@squalleon: You and Lvenger...=D

Dude it isn't like I don't like his writing or I hate him but you are over-praising him. I never said anything bad, even my comment wasn't a negative one. I love the guy, he and Kuder made AC readable again.
But well... he isn't a genius, and he isn't the greatest Superman writer you make him out to be, now I don't say that with disrespect or hostility in mind but it just that I have read my fair share and a little more of Superman stories and I know there are better writers than him. Maybe in the future he will convince me that he is the best but I highly doubt it. Let's see how he will manage AC after doomed and with all those titles he writes (add one more with STORM) and then lets praise him ok ;-)

Avatar image for deactivated-5a4e0e8ea3dfb
deactivated-5a4e0e8ea3dfb

796

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I can agree with those and a few others. Yes, all of these powers have been a part of the character for years (decades even) but I've never believed that anything in comics needs to remain the same and for the most part they haven't, each writer brings a new angle to the character and all of these characters personalities and abilities have changed through the years.

So the powers to drop:

Super Breath - doesn't really make a lot of sense as the amount of air he expels is far in excess of the air his lungs could ever take in and his lungs would need to near collapse in on themselves to generate the amount of force needed to generate such speeds

Freeze Breath - same reason really as Super Breath and add to that the fact the pressure would need to be constant so its not as simple as "think cold and blow"

** I will add one addendum to the two above....if his overall power set were changed to be closer to the pre-52 Superboy notion of tactile telekinesis (i.e. his body generates a telekinetic field which is the explanation for his array of superhuman feats) than I would say add both would be acceptable to keep as it wouldn't be his lungs doing all the work but his telekinetic field amplifying or freezing the air he expels to generate the effect. **

Super Hearing - the degree I put in there is because his hearing should be better than a normal humans, maybe even as good as a canines or other such animals, but the overuse of this power just irritates the heck out of me. Its just bad writing to make a plot device where he hears a scream from halfway across a busy city let alone on the other side of the world. If he's in the same room or a frequency is being broadcast over long distances than I'm all for it....no problem with Supes picking up the slight tick of a bomb hidden in a warehouse. But there needs to be an end to him picking up a refinery fire in Belgium when he's sitting in Metropolis. Sound just doesn't work like that.

** So instead I'd have no problem giving Supes a very passive form of telepathy/empathy. Something along the same lines as a Z Fighter sensing an enemy or the new movie Spider-Man feeling a serious problem occurring in the city. It goes along with the notion of Kryptonians having psychokinetic abilities (the offhand explanation for a number of their powers outside a red sun) but wouldn't go so far as to let him know what the danger or threat is, he just feels the fear/anger/hate/desperation/etc from the people experiencing the problem and can follow it to the source and once he gets there he'll need to figure out what the problem is....thus also giving the stories a bit more tension given the fact Supes won't know what he's actually getting into until he's there and thus need to figure out a solution on the spot vice planning ahead **

Telescopic/Microscopic Vision - the last point kind of leads into this one but like Super Breath and Freeze Breath these just doesn't make a lot of sense and I think limits a lot of tension Superman stories could have if they weren't around. But first and foremost they just don't make a lot of sense from a practical standpoint. His eyes don't have additional lenses with which to adjust so he can see long distances or extreme tiny objects nor would a psychokinetic explanation make much sense either. This is different from X-ray Vision (which I think he could keep) because that relies on a release of energy and the feedback his eyes receive and mind interprets. Telescopic and Microscopic Vision don't work along those same lines because they require no energy output nor feedback. Somehow his eyes are just able to do both and that's about as far an explanation as we get. They also undermine a lot of potential tension by letting him know a threat well before he gets there or could have figured a solution out by other means, cheapening the opportunity to show just how intelligent he is and what he can accomplish at a moments notice.

Super Speed - he can already out fly what he can do on the ground so its not of much use to say he can also run at Mach 2 or whatever his max running speed is. There also isn't much explanation for it other than his physicality. Just because he's amazingly strong doesn't automatically mean he's amazingly fast too....else Flash would be the strongest hero in the DC Universe as well. A "dense molecular structure" doesn't mean a fast one.

So now that I've put down a few powers here are my thoughts on what abilities Superman should have....all of which need to be more directly tied to the idea of using solar radiation to produce superhuman feats of psychokinesis. I've never been a fan of the idea that his "body becomes supercharged" under a yellow sun. That doesn't make a lot of sense because his body doesn't actually change in any way. But the idea that he can utilize the stronger energy to project it in a number of ways does and thus my thoughts on a Superman powerset would be:

Natural abilities (i.e. Kryptonian physiology....complete independent of solar energy absorption)

Strength - 1.5 tons, Speed - 200 (sustained) to 250 (sprint) mph, Durability - survive a car crash/slight bruising from non-armor piercing bullets, Reflexes - see/dodge/catch automatic gun fire and near point blank range, Perfect Memory, Stamina - peak performance for several hours, Senses - around 5 to 10 times better than a normal human

Superhuman abilities based on Solar Energy Absorption and Energy Projection

Telekinetic Field resulting in Tactile Telekinesis (anything he touches with bare skin...thus why he doesn't wear gloves...will become wrapped in his field and allow him to lift with ease, more energy he puts into the field the heavier the object he can lift), Concussive Strikes (concentrate his field to increase physical attacks by 10 times....so like he's punching someone with 15 tons), Flight, Force Field (increase the density of the field to crank up his durability....not knowing exactly how much power he needs to use for the field would be the reason why a first attack may knock him into a building but the second doesn't even phase him), Heat Vision, Force Vision (I mean, if he can strike with telekinetic force why not expel it from his eyes as well), Electro-Magnetic Spectrum Vision (can shift through infrared, x-ray and ultraviolet by concentrating energy his in eyes but can't see radio or microwave frequencies), Night Vision (same concept of energy accumulation as EMS Vision), Super Breath (by using the telekinetic field to increase the force of the air he expels) and Body Temperature Manipulation (which provides the necessary environment for his Freeze Breath but also the reason why his body can survive in space....and I thought how he overcame that gas attack from Jason Todd was a pretty interesting application as well as Kara's skin glowing as a result when she went down to the ocean depths).

Like I said could add in a passive form of telepathy/empathy as it fits along a psychokinetic line of abilities but its not necessary for the Man of Steel as his abilities should be more physical and direct/conscious use. Also it would be nice to see him utilize a bit more technology given his suit is more technological now. Maybe not something as drastic as a DC rip-off of the Mass Effect omni-tool or something but maybe his phone being upgraded so it constantly searches the internet and radio frequencies for disasters or a similar concept that can alert him when things are happening outside of Metropolis.

Avatar image for z3ro180
z3ro180

8778

Forum Posts

171

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Sir remove yourself before you wreck your self

Avatar image for superguy1591
Superguy1591

7539

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

@squalleon: We have 3 more issues before Pak is event free, let's see what he does.

Avatar image for deactivated-5d2b83d5a0d79
deactivated-5d2b83d5a0d79

12104

Forum Posts

19

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

No, Supermans powerset is cool.

Avatar image for orangebat
OrangeBat

1152

Forum Posts

16

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#33  Edited By OrangeBat

Off the top of my head, all of Superman's powers I can remember:

Super-Senses

Super-Strength

Super-Speed

Super-Endurance

Super-Agility

Super-Dexterity

Invulnerability

X-Ray Vision

Infrared Vision

Night Vision (I know it's not his standard power, but I could've sworn I once read a Superman story where he had this)

Heat Vision

Freeze Breath

Telescopic Vision

Microscopic Vision

Super-Shout (you know, like Black Canary. I figure if Superman has super-lung capacity, super-breathing and super-vocal chords, he can probably shout loudly and powerfully enough to shatter windows and shit)

Flight

Super-Intelligence

(not including utterly ridiculous ones like shooting rainbow super-midgets out of his hands)

That's a lot of powers. And I'm cool with them. As long as each power is not amplified to ridiculous levels, it provides some great variety for Superman to show off. If someone like Thor can have an assload of powers, then Superman should too.

Avatar image for night4345
Night4345

8450

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

No but maybe tone down the level of his super-hearing.

Avatar image for redwingx
redwingx

1360

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I really hate how his super hearing works. You can't just turn sound off and on. It's ridiculous.

Avatar image for squalleon
Squalleon

9994

Forum Posts

3193

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 7

@redwingx said:

I really hate how his super hearing works. You can't just turn sound off and on. It's ridiculous.

He doesn't turn it off...
He is constantly hearing everything. But with all the mess of those combined sounds, he learns to focus on key words or sounds like "Help" so he can be where he is needed.

Avatar image for stephens2177
stephens2177

1397

Forum Posts

11

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@ltbrd: you just described Superboys powerset,and it's awesome(mostly the way I explain it),but for the comics I don't see any reason that supermans powers can't be explained just as amped to god level by absorbing solar energy,and expelling it through his eyes with heat vision.flight has always been harder for me to explain,but not impossible.

Avatar image for bezza
Bezza

5019

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 7

..What?? Remove these powers? No way. It was bad enough when he didn't have freeze breath in MOS>

Avatar image for deactivated-097092725
deactivated-097092725

10555

Forum Posts

1043

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Leave Superman as is, please. He's Superman. All these powers (and more) are part of the mythos. I like him "super" everything.

Avatar image for bruxae
Bruxae

18147

Forum Posts

11098

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

Leave Superman as is, please. He's Superman. All these powers (and more) are part of the mythos. I like him "super" everything.

Avatar image for stephens2177
stephens2177

1397

Forum Posts

11

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Howabout they and we just put all this energy into giving Superboy a cool unique powerset with a flaw and a mutation because of his hybrid state instead of trying to change the ultimate hero.

Avatar image for scouterv
ScouterV

7764

Forum Posts

332

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@stephens2177: I haven't picked up an issue of Superboy since Forever Evil started so maybe I'm out of the loop.

But didn't they do that when they gave him a suit that contained his Tactile Telekenisis so now it only works on things he can touch, whereas before he was basically a nerfed Superman?

Avatar image for stephens2177
stephens2177

1397

Forum Posts

11

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@scouterv: in the new 52 he is all superman level TK,but TK that "feels" and can "perceive" the world around him by all the five senses using that TK.

When he was in supermans suit he couldn't just throw around his TK like a normal TK user,he compressed it into more of what the Kesel SB had,which made him feel more like a brick with TK abilities by touch.

I would love for DC to keep his powers like kesels SB,BUT swap flight for all the new 52's TTK senses,that he feels like a TTK empowered YJ superboy.give him the weakness Geoff gave kon pre 52 and Lobdell gave Jon in the new 52,which is a slower solar energy absorption ability.