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#1 Posted by AbdullahZubair (1039 posts) - - Show Bio

I just finished reading it and it was kinda cool,concept and execution and all.

Am i the only one who enjoyed it or what...?

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#2 Posted by Squalleon (9994 posts) - - Show Bio

I literally haven't seen anyone who did or even complained about it :P

It mostly passes under the radar, but that's not hate though....

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#3 Edited by silent_bomber (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

Never seen anyone complain about it, good book.

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#4 Posted by Titanbreaker (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna ask, what is it about? As I have never even heard of this book.

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#5 Posted by Squalleon (9994 posts) - - Show Bio

Gonna ask, what is it about? As I have never even heard of this book.

Superman's rocket falls in Gotham. Becomes Super-powered Batman when the Wayne's die.

The world is an amalgam of the two heroes.

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#6 Posted by Titanbreaker (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

@squalleon: Oh that Elseworld story. Yeah I have heard of it now thanks for the explanation.

Do people hate it? I have never heard any negativity towards it.

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#8 Posted by SanoHibiki (3387 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn’t know that there were hate directed at that Elseworld. Learn something new every day, I guess.

Sure, it is bland and forgettable, but hate is too strong word for that imo.

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#9 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7483 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think people care about it enough to hate it. Indifferent is the word I'd use. A better example for a hated Elseworld with Big Blue would be: Superman at Earth's End.

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#10 Posted by HolySerpent (13762 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds to silly for my taste. Superman should not be raise in Gotham. Seriously Gotham is Satans butthole

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#11 Edited by Dernman (25907 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think people care about it enough to hate it. Indifferent is the word I'd use. A

This.

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#12 Posted by AbdullahZubair (1039 posts) - - Show Bio

But it has been in the top 5 of every other worse elseworld titles and no one seems to enjoy it. Like all of you are indifferent towards it.

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#13 Posted by Squalleon (9994 posts) - - Show Bio

But it has been in the top 5 of every other worse elseworld titles and no one seems to enjoy it. Like all of you are indifferent towards it.

Being mediocre doesn't make it hated...it just makes it mediocre.

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#14 Posted by HeavenlyDarkDragon (2219 posts) - - Show Bio

@abdullahzubair:

It was a little weird. But other than that...

Hate I believe is a word too strong.

Some people like me might have not found it interesting, or they didn't like the story, but hate... Never read that kind of reaction from anyone.

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#15 Posted by RDClip (2792 posts) - - Show Bio

Is it hated? It pretty much sums up the worst Elseworlds stories by being based off one stupid sentence, "What if Superman WAS Batman?!?!?!" It's a simple dumb story, but it is too harmless to be hated.

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#16 Posted by AbdullahZubair (1039 posts) - - Show Bio

@rdclip: Ok...But that is the whole point of elseworld stories...A what If starts them all...What if batman was a vampire? What if batman was in the 1800s, etc...

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#17 Posted by Jogga (1016 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no true hatred. Just indifference, at least from me.

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#18 Posted by WF_Mxyzptlk (6794 posts) - - Show Bio

People hate Speeding Bullets?

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#19 Posted by SaintWildcard (21710 posts) - - Show Bio

Never read it

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#20 Posted by HeavenlyDarkDragon (2219 posts) - - Show Bio

@saintwildcard:

Didn't missed anything important, really.

Just the idea of the story itself pushes people away.

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#21 Posted by SuperCrab (109 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish they'd make this available on Comixology. Ever since I heard about the concept, I've been wanting to read it, but I don't do dead-tree format these days. I'm genuinely surprised that it's still unavailable as an e-comic. Relatively speaking, it's a lot easier for them to scan the pages into a computer and put out something like this for sale and sell you a copy that way than actually doing a whole new printing run complete with all the materials and labor involved and the possibility of not selling every book you print.

DC Comics isn't making any money off people selling used print comic books second-hand. They would make money off selling them directly in digital format. You'd think they'd go through the warehouse and get everything up for sale. It's odd that there are still big gaps in the availability of titles like the original Action Comics and such.

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#22 Posted by PapiNacho (3396 posts) - - Show Bio

I've heard people say it shits on Batman's mythos, but I've never read it so who knows.

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#23 Posted by DieHard200904 (592 posts) - - Show Bio

I wish they'd make this available on Comixology. Ever since I heard about the concept, I've been wanting to read it, but I don't do dead-tree format these days. I'm genuinely surprised that it's still unavailable as an e-comic. Relatively speaking, it's a lot easier for them to scan the pages into a computer and put out something like this for sale and sell you a copy that way than actually doing a whole new printing run complete with all the materials and labor involved and the possibility of not selling every book you print.

DC Comics isn't making any money off people selling used print comic books second-hand. They would make money off selling them directly in digital format. You'd think they'd go through the warehouse and get everything up for sale. It's odd that there are still big gaps in the availability of titles like the original Action Comics and such.

There's a lot of things that they should make available on Comixology, Shogun of Steel was interesting, as outlandish from the traditional Superman story as it is, same with any number of Elseworlds Stories out there. I mean, Red Son is good, but there's others that they should have up and available.

I found it okay, I mean Superman becoming Batman is alright to me, as I was someone who grew up with Superman dressing up as Batman to save Bruce Wayne in the Bruce Timm series

Superman: The Animated Series "Knight Time"

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#24 Posted by sooperfly (934 posts) - - Show Bio

I loved it, however I disliked the idea of him being able to overcome his anger and depression (while Bruce isn't able to) and become a 'White Knight' Superman in the end. The whole concept of Batman is that he's experienced tragedy that is impossible to get over and move on from because it's scarred him deeply, yet Lois Lane can influence Bruce(Clark) to be happy now. Thats the only issue I had from this, Bruce(Clark) should've stayed as Batman I loved that idea so much.

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#25 Posted by deathfalcon182 (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@ht003: i disagree with how you see Bruce and how some writers choose to portray him. Morrison had this to say about this issue

"I thought Batman was the most sorted together, humanist icon on the planet. That's when I found myself falling out with people who thought he was tortured, damned, damaged or depressed and unable to deal with that guilt. Every night he went out, he dealt with that, thinking he's making things better. He was fundamentally positive and mentally positive and inspiring."

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#26 Posted by silent_bomber (4930 posts) - - Show Bio

Like all of you are indifferent towards it.

I'm not indifferent to it, its among the best of the Superman books I've read.

I like that Superman's character shines through at the end, like he was always destined to be Superman wherever he'd ended up.

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#27 Posted by sooperfly (934 posts) - - Show Bio

@ht003: i disagree with how you see Bruce and how some writers choose to portray him. Morrison had this to say about this issue

"I thought Batman was the most sorted together, humanist icon on the planet. That's when I found myself falling out with people who thought he was tortured, damned, damaged or depressed and unable to deal with that guilt. Every night he went out, he dealt with that, thinking he's making things better. He was fundamentally positive and mentally positive and inspiring."

hahaha the most sorted out person beats the crap out of criminals dressed as a bat. His whole theme (being a bat and having a HQ in a cave full of bats) is in its own way showing his inability to overcome his childhood trauma of falling into the cave. Perhaps I look too much into the product but I take the whole thing as his way of trying to overcome his fear of bats and moving it onto the criminals he stalks. Also if he wasn't so tortured and damaged he wouldn't try to show the darkest side of himself (Batman) to even his closest friends, he very well could be like the Golden Age Batman and smile at everything. Also isn't Grant Morrison responsible for writing the most dark, self-destructive, damaged Batman? He's at least in the top 10 of that category.

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#28 Edited by deathfalcon182 (308 posts) - - Show Bio

@ht003: if you actually read Morrison's Batman, reoccurring theme is Batman does his best to fight crimes not because he's traumatized by past, because he thinks it's the best thing to do. Morrison added significant change to canon by retconning pre Infinite Crisis where Batman never really found out who killed his parents, in his first few issues Morrison had Bruce confront Joe Chill to give us the notion that Bruce had gotten over his so called depression and the need for vengeance. And Morrison never really wrote him that way, he wrote him in dark stories but he didn't make him a depressed man who never got over the fact that his parents were killed when he was 8. If you'd read his run, you'd realize this.

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#29 Posted by AbdullahZubair (1039 posts) - - Show Bio

@ht003: if you actually read Morrison's Batman, reoccurring theme is Batman does his best to fight crimes not because he's traumatized by past, because he thinks it's the best thing to do. Morrison added significant change to canon by retconning pre Infinite Crisis where Batman never really found out who killed his parents, in his first few issues Morrison had Bruce confront Joe Chill to give us the notion that Bruce had gotten over his so called depression and the need for vengeance. And Morrison never really wrote him that way, he wrote him in dark stories but he didn't make him a depressed man who never got over the fact that his parents were killed when he was 8. If you'd read his run, you'd realize this.

But if he actually got over the fact that his parents were killed, he would no longer be Batman....There tons of conversations between Bruce and Alfred about this matter and it comes to the same conclusion: He is unable to forget the horror, so he thrives deeper into darkness to prevent others from the same horror... I would say that it is his defining moment...And Morrison is just 1 writer, if you look at the overall nature of Batman, then this would be true...
PS:I find that Bruce being tortured and damned as the best part of Batman...It is also the same path that the joker went through(Only 1 bad day) and the path Batman wannabes(Black Glove) and Robins had to go through...

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#30 Edited by OrangeBat (960 posts) - - Show Bio

@abdullahzubair said:

@deathfalcon182 said:

@ht003: if you actually read Morrison's Batman, reoccurring theme is Batman does his best to fight crimes not because he's traumatized by past, because he thinks it's the best thing to do. Morrison added significant change to canon by retconning pre Infinite Crisis where Batman never really found out who killed his parents, in his first few issues Morrison had Bruce confront Joe Chill to give us the notion that Bruce had gotten over his so called depression and the need for vengeance. And Morrison never really wrote him that way, he wrote him in dark stories but he didn't make him a depressed man who never got over the fact that his parents were killed when he was 8. If you'd read his run, you'd realize this.

But if he actually got over the fact that his parents were killed, he would no longer be Batman....There tons of conversations between Bruce and Alfred about this matter and it comes to the same conclusion: He is unable to forget the horror, so he thrives deeper into darkness to prevent others from the same horror... I would say that it is his defining moment...And Morrison is just 1 writer, if you look at the overall nature of Batman, then this would be true...

PS:I find that Bruce being tortured and damned as the best part of Batman...It is also the same path that the joker went through(Only 1 bad day) and the path Batman wannabes(Black Glove) and Robins had to go through...

Why would he no longer be Batman? Gotham's still a corrupt shithole, crime and evil is still around, people to save are still around, and he's got the skills to make a difference. Plus, one thing that modern comics have sadly forgotten is that Bruce LIKES being Batman. He is over his parents' deaths, but he's not selfish enough to deny people a savior, or dull enough to deny himself the pleasure of foiling super-villain schemes as a Sherlock Holmes/action hero hybrid.

Plenty of generally psychologically healthy individuals have weird traits. I'm betting even you have secrets that would make people raise an eyebrow or two and question your sanity.

If you like tortured and sad Batman, fair enough, but it's not the only legitimate way that Batman's been portrayed.

As for Speeding Bullets, I mostly liked it. I would've liked it even more to see Clark stay as Batman, though. The ending felt kind of like a cop-out.

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#31 Posted by AbdullahZubair (1039 posts) - - Show Bio

@abdullahzubair said:

@deathfalcon182 said:

@ht003: if you actually read Morrison's Batman, reoccurring theme is Batman does his best to fight crimes not because he's traumatized by past, because he thinks it's the best thing to do. Morrison added significant change to canon by retconning pre Infinite Crisis where Batman never really found out who killed his parents, in his first few issues Morrison had Bruce confront Joe Chill to give us the notion that Bruce had gotten over his so called depression and the need for vengeance. And Morrison never really wrote him that way, he wrote him in dark stories but he didn't make him a depressed man who never got over the fact that his parents were killed when he was 8. If you'd read his run, you'd realize this.

But if he actually got over the fact that his parents were killed, he would no longer be Batman....There tons of conversations between Bruce and Alfred about this matter and it comes to the same conclusion: He is unable to forget the horror, so he thrives deeper into darkness to prevent others from the same horror... I would say that it is his defining moment...And Morrison is just 1 writer, if you look at the overall nature of Batman, then this would be true...

PS:I find that Bruce being tortured and damned as the best part of Batman...It is also the same path that the joker went through(Only 1 bad day) and the path Batman wannabes(Black Glove) and Robins had to go through...

Why would he no longer be Batman? Gotham's still a corrupt shithole, crime and evil is still around, people to save are still around, and he's got the skills to make a difference. Plus, one thing that modern comics have sadly forgotten is that Bruce LIKES being Batman. He is over his parents' deaths, but he's not selfish enough to deny people a savior, or dull enough to deny himself the pleasure of foiling super-villain schemes as a Sherlock Holmes/action hero hybrid.

Plenty of generally psychologically healthy individuals have weird traits. I'm betting even you have secrets that would make people raise an eyebrow or two and question your sanity.

If you like tortured and sad Batman, fair enough, but it's not the only legitimate way that Batman's been portrayed.

As for Speeding Bullets, I mostly liked it. I would've liked it even more to see Clark stay as Batman, though. The ending felt kind of like a cop-out.

I have the same opinion on Speeding Bullets...And again, Morrison's Black Glove(I think it was his) portrayed that Batman's brain was scanned and hallucinations of Robin's death was caused for 10 days and the scientist behind this found that tragedy is the thing that drives Batman, thus he created a replacement Batman who's entire family was raped and killed in order to turn him into Batman...Also in Morrison's run, Bruce distances himself from TIm as he doesn't want to go through the pain of losing him...

Also,every time Bruce becomes happy as Batman, someone close to him dies or leaves(Jason Todd, Damian Wayne,etc) and he thinks he would never be happy...(The way he responded to Damian's death and brought him back in Batman And Robin was quite tragic)

Bruce is a tragic character....But again, it depends on who is writing him...And I find that Bruce actually enjoying being Batman as tragic also due to reasons...And if you watched Dark Knight Triology, you would know that Batman quit being Bats in that due to reasons...(Twice!!!) And I think that would be the perfect ending to Batman's tale: Giving up the cowl and being happy...

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#32 Posted by suemorphplus209 (365 posts) - - Show Bio

@abdullahzubair: I liked it. Because it was as wierd as Superman becoming Batman, there's way worse Elseworlds out there, IMO.

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#33 Posted by AbdullahZubair (1039 posts) - - Show Bio

@abdullahzubair: I liked it. Because it was as wierd as Superman becoming Batman, there's way worse Elseworlds out there, IMO.

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