lmao @ dis thread
T-he Superman Lois Lane Appreciation Thread
@saint_wildcard: Actually I didn't know you'd see my post. I genuinely enjoy Lois Lane x Superman
I was wondering will someone bring that up. Guess that answered my question.
Well, what can I say… Bromance was strong in this one, but, oh my God, Superman’s face when Batman started talking about secret relationship with Lois. He was totally like “WTF you’re talking about”. Seriously, that moment could be used for “WUT”-meme.
4.) Diana is one of those invulnerable people in Superman's life that couldn't be used as bait, hence why Lois was used.
Not only that. If Diana was on Themyscira during that time, Kandorians literally couldn’t find or reach her. Even Leaguers cant if she’s there, magic barrier and all like that.
@saint_wildcard: Actually I didn't know you'd see my post. I genuinely enjoy Lois Lane x Superman
Bulls**t!
@saint_wildcard: I'm being serious.
@saint_wildcard: I'm being serious.
Don't believe you! NOW GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR ROMANTICIZED VERSION OF SUPERMAN! SO SAYS I! THE 3RD TOP POSTER OF THE SUPERMAN BOARDS!
I'm sure there's a Grant MOrrison section on here
@saint_wildcard: fight me 1v1 IRL, bruh.
:-P
@superwomanlois: I'd like to say more but... your grammar just makes me cry. Oh well.
@saint_wildcard: Superman loves Lois. Batman already know about it. Many authors said, that Superman loves Lois. Superman's actions when he with Lois, hint about his feelings for her and what she means for him. You just do not have the deductive method. Your distorted perception of reality is exactly the opposite of objective reality.And what do you forgot in a theme about Clois?
If going by the Lobdell superman run, Superman still has feeling for lois. sure Pak forgot it
I'm guessing this belongs in this thread as much as any other that can be made on here. Especially since the last sentence indicates who this comic book is going to be for.
SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK #1
Written by DAN JURGENS
Art and cover by LEE WEEKS
1:25 Variant cover by TONY S. DANIEL
On sale OCTOBER 14 • 32 pg, FC, $3.99 US • RATED T
Retailers: This issue will ship with two covers. Please see the order form for details.
Following the epic events of CONVERGENCE, here are the adventures of the last sons and daughter of the Krypton and Earth as they try to survive in a world not their own. But can they keep this world from suffering the same fate as their own? Can this Superman stop the villains he once fought before they are created on this world? What is Intergang, and why does Lois’s discovery of it place everyone she loves in jeopardy? What will happen when their nine-year-old son learns the true identity of his parents? Make way for the original power couple, for better, for worse, in sickness and in health, until death do them part!
@squalleon: Agreed, I preferred the original look compared to this cover. This one has a little too much dark shading and potential edgy tone of the New 52.
@squalleon: Agreed, I preferred the original look compared to this cover. This one has a little too much dark shading and potential edgy tone of the New 52.
Plus the first coloring made the art look so much better.
@squalleon: Agreed, I preferred the original look compared to this cover. This one has a little too much dark shading and potential edgy tone of the New 52.
Plus the first coloring made the art look so much better.
I concur, the lighter shading and colour inks worked much better than this version of Weeks' cover. I wonder if this series is why he didn't do the artwork for the second Convergence Superman tie-in series.
@squalleon: Agreed, I preferred the original look compared to this cover. This one has a little too much dark shading and potential edgy tone of the New 52.
Plus the first coloring made the art look so much better.
I concur, the lighter shading and colour inks worked much better than this version of Weeks' cover. I wonder if this series is why he didn't do the artwork for the second Convergence Superman tie-in series.
Ι hope so, his art was quite good. But the two series have almost half a year time difference I don't think he needs that much lead time.
@squalleon: You're probably right, I just assumed initially that DC might have had the foresight for once to make a series about a version of Superman people have been very vocal about missing in the New 52 continuity. If not for that reason, then why did Jurgens do the art for the next issue? Nostalgia? Or did Jurgens just want to draw what he thought might be his swan song on Pre New 52 Superman?
@squalleon: You're probably right, I just assumed initially that DC might have had the foresight for once to make a series about a version of Superman people have been very vocal about missing in the New 52 continuity. If not for that reason, then why did Jurgens do the art for the next issue? Nostalgia? Or did Jurgens just want to draw what he thought might be his swan song on Pre New 52 Superman?
Ι think that DC might initially wanted Jurgens to draw the whole series for nostalgia but he couldn't make the timetable?? Anyway I don't think it was Jurgens request since he is always assigned in projects he isn't a writer with the freedom of initiative like Morrison for example.
@squalleon: True, he had to fill in on the early Superman issues with Keith Giffen after Perez left the title, those weren't particularly engaging or enjoyable Superman comics. I guess DC have used Jurgens to fill in the gaps of other titles in the last few years, one would think he doesn't show enough creativity and initiative to get comics like Justice League 3000 and Lois and Clark. Still, maybe he's just a flexible guy who goes with the flow.
@lvenger: I think his style is very old school that's why I can't enjoy him imo. For example his New52 Superman was very villain of the week and his Convergence issues followed the most basic approach the plot line could have. That being said, I am cautiously optimistic because I like the premise and you never know :P
@squalleon: Do you feel the same about his 90s Superman run and the tone he took there? Does that make Jurgens very much a villain of the week type writer to you?
@squalleon: Do you feel the same about his 90s Superman run and the tone he took there? Does that make Jurgens very much a villain of the week type writer to you?
From what I have read of his 90s Superman, I didn't really liked much. I preferred what Stern did with the character over Jurgens. And they equally contributed to the death and Return of Superman (that being said, I don't like DoS and I haven't read RoS) but I liked Funeral for a friend. Time and Time again is my favorite story from that era but again I prefer the Stern issues of that crossover :P
No, I just think that was his approach lately, but in his defense the guy had zero creative freedom in New52 and Convergence Supes and was a fill in writer so not much time for an elaborate story :P
@squalleon: Do you feel the same about his 90s Superman run and the tone he took there? Does that make Jurgens very much a villain of the week type writer to you?
From what I have read of his 90s Superman, I didn't really liked much. I preferred what Stern did with the character over Jurgens. And they equally contributed to the death and Return of Superman (that being said, I don't like DoS and I haven't read RoS) but I liked Funeral for a friend. Time and Time again is my favorite story from that era but again I prefer the Stern issues of that crossover :P
No, I just think that was his approach lately, but in his defense the guy had zero creative freedom in New52 and Convergence Supes and was a fill in writer so not much time for an elaborate story :P
Remind me again when Stern had his run on Superman, it seems to have slipped my mind bizarrely. I agree on the quality of Funeral for a Friend, that had much better stories and development of a story's aftermath than the PR stunt of Superman fighting a big grey monster to the death.
Seems very much like it, he hasn't had much of a chance to tell the kind of stories he wants to. He's starting to with JL 3000 alongside Keith Giffen I suppose so maybe we can hope he'll do a better job come October with what he has to work with on Lois and Clark.
Remind me again when Stern had his run on Superman, it seems to have slipped my mind bizarrely. I agree on the quality of Funeral for a Friend, that had much better stories and development of a story's aftermath than the PR stunt of Superman fighting a big grey monster to the death.
Seems very much like it, he hasn't had much of a chance to tell the kind of stories he wants to. He's starting to with JL 3000 alongside Keith Giffen I suppose so maybe we can hope he'll do a better job come October with what he has to work with on Lois and Clark.
He started I think the same time as Jurgens. He was one of the main driving forces behind Superman for most of the decade. His most notable creation is the Eradicator. He had a great annual with Superman becoming President.
How come? Giffen is partnered with DeMatteis on the BWA-HA-HA comedy which they pretty much are known for.
@squalleon: Of course, JLI was pretty much the genesis of the BWA-HA-HA comics and they're basically bringing back that team in JL3000 so I was too presumptuous in saying Jurgens wasn't writing the comics he wanted to.
@squalleon: Of course, JLI was pretty much the genesis of the BWA-HA-HA comics and they're basically bringing back that team in JL3000 so I was too presumptuous in saying Jurgens wasn't writing the comics he wanted to.
Wait, I am confused. Jurgens wasn't part of the classic JLI team, Dematteis, Giffen and Maguire are. And last I checked Jurgens doesn't participate in JL3000.
That new superman comic will flop. No one want ot read about Family Man. Sorry it's true. They really should make all the heroes younger than they are.
Convergence Superman sold more than Action Comics even with the Truth boost. And now, this is an in-continuity comic that will draw in readers that didn't care about Convergence like me.
That new superman comic will flop. No one want ot read about Family Man. Sorry it's true. They really should make all the heroes younger than they are.
Convergence Superman sold more than Action Comics even with the Truth boost. And now, this is an in-continuity comic that will draw in readers that didn't care about Convergence like me.
I didn't care much for it but I still bought it just to get closure but to see him go about his business being a father , and family man? That's boring to me. Maybe some adults would like that but kids in early teens all the way to college age would probably be turned off by it.
It's great for a one hit, one shot, but ongoing? Not really.
That new superman comic will flop. No one want ot read about Family Man. Sorry it's true. They really should make all the heroes younger than they are.
Convergence Superman sold more than Action Comics even with the Truth boost. And now, this is an in-continuity comic that will draw in readers that didn't care about Convergence like me.
I didn't care much for it but I still bought it just to get closure but to see him go about his business being a father , and family man? That's boring to me. Maybe some adults would like that but kids in early teens all the way to college age would probably be turned off by it.
It's great for a one hit, one shot, but ongoing? Not really.
It may be boring to you but the premise is something many fans wanted to see since Chris Kent entered the frame. If you check the threads people made, you will see they are excited about the premise. And most of them are in their early to mid twenties(me included). You don't have to be an adult to want to see your favorite character grow naturally and enter new frontiers of storytelling.
I bet it will sell more than the Convergence mini at least in the start.
Yep. I believe it will also draw attention to it, by the tons, at least in the first and second issue.
If they'll be able to hold readers, that's another matter altogether.
Yep. I believe it will also draw attention to it, by the tons, at least in the first and second issue.
If they'll be able to hold readers, that's another matter altogether.
I hope they will. That being said, I have my reservations because I am not very fond of the writer.
That new superman comic will flop. No one want ot read about Family Man. Sorry it's true. They really should make all the heroes younger than they are.
Convergence Superman sold more than Action Comics even with the Truth boost. And now, this is an in-continuity comic that will draw in readers that didn't care about Convergence like me.
I didn't care much for it but I still bought it just to get closure but to see him go about his business being a father , and family man? That's boring to me. Maybe some adults would like that but kids in early teens all the way to college age would probably be turned off by it.
Bollocks. My young cousin loved the convergence issue and wants to see more of Lois, Clark and the kid.
Marvel have been publishing a mini-series with a family man Spider-Man and it's selling quite well and many turned off by the mainstream books say it's arguably the best thing written by Dan Slott in two and a half years (for a former fan of his like me, it's the best thing he's written in seven and a half years), those fans definitely include many college kids and youngsters. One of Marvel's longest running female heroes,Spider-Girl, was based off of the premise of Spidey raising a family, and it worked pretty well for twelve years, that's a whole childhood/early adult life for anyone reading at the time.
So you're wrong. It's only boring to people who limit their imaginations or people who don't have a relationship or family to speak of. The family dynamic is limitless
That new superman comic will flop. No one want ot read about Family Man. Sorry it's true. They really should make all the heroes younger than they are.
Convergence Superman sold more than Action Comics even with the Truth boost. And now, this is an in-continuity comic that will draw in readers that didn't care about Convergence like me.
I wouldn't trust Convergence sales honestly. THe stores might have bought them (which is how the numbers are based), but Convergence sold like poop in stores. My store still has half the DC shelves full of them and I've heard the same from other stores around the country.
Here's a little bit more on the Lois and Clark title
In the upcoming Superman: Lois & Clark series, the married Clark Kent and Lois Lane from the pre-New 52 continuity are back. They are now trapped and in hiding in this new Earth, trying to raise their 9-year-old son Jon as if they are a normal family. "For Lois and Clark, it’s a world that they barely recognize...a place where they have to hide their true identities,“ says series writer Dan Jurgens, a veteran Superman writer who fans will remember from the classic “Death of Superman” story of the 1990s. "On the other hand, their son, Jon, embraces this world as his own. It’s the only one he’s ever known. In a way, it’s a bit of a classic immigrant story where the parents—unlike their kids—are a bit out of place."
SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK Brings Preboot Husband & Wife Back to Main DC Continuity
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For readers who wanted the pre-Flashpoint Superman back on the main DCU earth, Superman: Lois and Clark is a wish come true.
Thanks to the events of Convergence, it's been revealed that the older, married, pre-reboot versions Clark Kent and Lois Lane are alive and well on DC's Prime Earth — hiding for years among the residents of the "New 52" universe.
And with Superman: Lois and Clark #1, their nine-year-old son Jon will start to figure out who his parents really are.
The October-launching title, which features art by Lee Weeks, is one of three titles that DC announced as "spin-offs" from the two-month Convergence mini-series.
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DC fans found out earlier this week that one of those titles, Titans Hunt, will reveal a secret history that unites the characters associated with the pre-Flashpoint Teen Titans — but within the new, post-reboot world.
Now, with Superman: Lois and Clark, Jurgens has confirmed that pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois are also part of the post-reboot world. And their situation isn't helped by the other version of Superman having his secret identity revealed to the world — a "horrifying development" for them, according to Jurgens.
Newsarama talked to Jurgens to find out more about the comic, and DC provided some interior art from the first issue – including those much-missed red trunks.
Nrama: Dan, is this a direct continuation of the characters and world from Convergence? It seems like that mini-series set up this series, correct?
Dan Jurgens: Right. In the two Convergence: Superman issues, we saw the versions of Superman and Lois Lane that had last appeared prior to Flashpoint. This series continues their story after the events in Convergence as they move into the current DCU.
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Nrama: Do readers have to have read any Convergence issues to jump on board this one?
Jurgens: They don’t, though there were a couple of very notable developments in Convergence — most notably the birth of their son, Jon.
Nrama: OK, we'll talk about their son Jon in a minute. But what's the overall premise?
Jurgens: The basic premise is this: Superman, Lois and Jon are now in the current DCU. They’ve been here for a while now, and this series is really built around their effort to survive in this strange new universe. It’s certainly not the same as what they lost, and it’s also complicated by the fact that there are other versions of themselves here.
Nrama: Why do you think readers are interested in — and why are you interested as a writer interested in — this version of Superman?
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Jurgens: I think this Superman will appeal to readers because he has a rich and deep history.
One of the things readers have wrestled with, in terms of the "New 52," is that, by starting five years into the universe, they often felt as if the characters lacked context. While some of that freed writers to take characters in new directions, it also meant there could be a lack of understanding about who the characters are and how they relate to one another.
These characters have a past that is essential to the characters they are now, just as our pasts are essential to who we are. That’s what forms their character.
Nrama: OK, but they're not the Clark and Lois they used to be, simply because they're not in that same world. So how would you describe the life, and I guess the priorities, of Lois and Clark in your series? How are they the same and how are they different than other iterations of these characters?
Jurgens: Clark and Lois’ most notable priority is keeping Jon safe. That’s one of the reasons they live in rather secretive fashion.
But at the same time, this is Superman. He understands his responsibility to earth and the people around him. Preserving all of that is mission one, and just like any parent’s job, will sometimes conflict with his home life.
This is not the life they enjoyed while working at The Daily Planet. There are substantial differences.
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Nrama: OK, so let's talk about this key new character. What's Jon like?
Jurgens: Jon is tremendous fun to write. He’s about nine years old, looks like Clark but has more of Lois’ spitfire spirit. He is not the same as young Clark was.
He’s more adventurous and daring. He has no idea his parents have the past lives that they do, and as he begins to get hints of it, will become quite intrigued.
Nrama: What other supporting characters will we meet?
Jurgens: It’s a largely new cast as Clark and Lois are now living in California, leading entirely different lives. We will be introducing one character that harkens back to their previous universe, with some surprising twists.
Nrama: Interesting. But is there a threat they come up against?
Jurgens: The largest threat is simply keeping their lives secret. They really have no interest in people knowing who they are, and that has all been complicated by the fact that those around them now know that their world’s Superman has been revealed to be Clark Kent.
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For this version of Lois and Clark, that is a horrifying development.
Nrama: OK, so this is the pre-Flashpoint Superman living on the current "New 52" Earth. But how much do you refer to things from the past universe, where this Superman and Lois once lived? Is this comic good for people longing for that world?
Jurgens: The only thing that’s important about their past is how they relate to each other. They’re married. They have a son. Their current relationship was formed in the past.
Aspects of the past that influence them now are often determined by the villains Superman faced. He knows who they are and, in many cases, has been working in secret to ferret them out. However, because this is a very different earth, those past experiences don’t often have any relevance.
Nrama: It's odd to think of there being two different Supermans and Clark Kents on one world, but it seems much more common these days to have multiple versions of Superman around. Why do you think people enjoy seeing different versions of Superman in particular?
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Jurgens: Much of that harkens back to those famous “Imaginary Stories” that were so much fun.
But I don’t think it’s unique to Superman. We’ve seen differing versions of almost all the most well-liked characters in comic books. It’s sort of a wish fulfillment exercise because, in many cases, these characters don’t get the lives they desire because of the sacrifices they make on our behalf.
Nrama: Let's talk about the art on Superman: Lois and Clark. What's it been like working with Lee Weeks?
Jurgens: Lee Weeks is an absolutely brilliant artist. He’s one of the few guys capable of delineating the quiet beauty and nuance of Lois and Clark’s relationship, making them seem real, while also defining the power and majesty of Superman.
Nrama: Anything else you want to tell fans about Superman: Lois and Clark?
Jurgens: We’re positioning Superman in a far different way than previously seen. It’s going to be an incredible ride and is not to be missed!
Full disclosure: I was never on board with the idea that Post Crisis Superman needed to come back, even less with the idea that he is the 'real' Superman (no more than Kal-L was the 'real' Superman after the crisis). That said the premise of them living on Prime Earth is interesting in that it sets up the inevitable meeting between the Post Crisis Superman and his DCnU counterpart when the current Superman discovers the previous one living on his planet. How will that go down, will they be antagonistic towards each other (perhaps reflecting the divide in the fandom) or will they have a relationship more mirroring the one KaL-L had with Kal-El?
Plus a part of me very much wants to see them mix it up, the young brash bull vs the seasoned vet.
How will that go down, will they be antagonistic towards each other (perhaps reflecting the divide in the fandom) or will they have a relationship more mirroring the one KaL-L had with Kal-El?
Considering the writers stance and preference to Pre 52, expect a lot of zingers aimed at New 52 Superman and the Power Couple. He's already taking aim at them by calling CLois the "Original Power Couple". WHile I won't be buying this series (mostly due to monetary reasons), even I want to know what he's gonna do with that. I expect the worse
@saintwildcard: I'm an optimist so I'll hope for the best in that Jurgens can rise above the need to be petty and will simply tell a good story. It'll likely be a crossover event (what isn't these days?) so maybe we'll get to see that interaction from both of the Kal-Els POV. Maybe this will be the step needed to mend the fandom, the Post Crisis fans get what they want and the DCnU fans get what they want, everyone can live and let live.
@sovereign91001: I don't think we'll see a high road taken here, in fact I think Dc will push the divide as much as they can. Controversy seems to be the way companies are marketing comics these days or at least I'm finally noticing. Shipper wars also seem to sell, just look at Twilight and this will be DCs version.
This second interview Jurgens has given makes me feel a bit more optimistic than the first one. But considering the images imply that Pre Flashpoint Superman was watching whilst the New 52 Justice League took on Darkseid,that annoys me a fair bit as the previous version of Superman would definitely step in and help directly rather than watch from the sidelines. Another reason why I'm still apprehensive about Pre Flashpoint Superman being on New Earth/Earth 0.
Jon sounds like he'll be a fun read, a young Superman mixed with Lois' personality traits sounds like a neat character. It'll take some work for Jon to top Chris Kent however.
New sneak peek from Lee Weeks
I understand the whole Lois & Clark is a pillar of the Superman mythos...but, I've always had the preference of Clark and Diana, especially after Kingdom Come. It's also not as if Clark & Diana had never been done before.
Why exactly are you posting something like this in a Lois and Clarkappreciation thread?
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