Battle Misconceptions- Darth Maul vs Darth Vader

In Star Wars Tales #9, a perfect clone of TPM Maul and ANH Vader fought each other. While Vader did kill Maul, Maul was winning the fight and was only defeated via cheap-shot. People attribute circumstances to this, and deny the fact Maul beat Vader fair and square. This blog will prove that Maul was winning fair and square up until the cheap-shot.

Walkthrough of the Duel

Vader is lured to the planet, under the pretense that the Death Star plans are located there. When he arrives, though, his stormtroopers are slaughtered by a mysterious figure. Then, a few prophets of the Dark Side come, and say Vader has too much of the Light, and that he is unfit to be Sith. As Vader prepares to slaughter the old man, his strike is blocked by none other than Maul. The two being clashing, but the prophets stop the fight. The prophets explain Maul has been "resurrected" and challenge Vader. Vader accepts, and the fight begins.

They clash, and Vader immediately calls Maul a sham. Maul says that Vader is the sham, and kicks the latter in the face.

The fight continues, and Maul tells Vader that his darkness is unending, while Vader has too much of the Light.

Still in the early fight, Vader is already cheating, and shows Maul "what the dark side can do" by using the Force to trigger the blasters of the fallen Stormtroopers. Maul easily deflects the bolts, however, and throws the corpses into the lava.

Vader then calls Maul an imposter, but Maul counters by saying Vader is the one behind the mask, and punching the latter in the face.

Maul then express his surprise at Vader actually contending with him. He dances around the Dark Lord, and cuts off the platform they were in.

Maul and Vader both land on a rock, and they continue fighting. Both claim superiority over the other.

Maul leaps from rock at rock, prompting Vader to follow him.

The fight drags on, and the prophets express their surprise at the fight, given that it was being closer than they thought it would be. They still believe, however, that Maul would win.

Maul grazes Vader's thigh, and leaps away from him. This penetration of Vader's defense clearly hurt the Dark Lord- his durability saving him. A normal human would be at Maul's mercy. Maul then taunts Vader, telling him to come at him.

Vader attacks, Maul parries. The fight continues.

Maul kicks Vader, and asks his foe on how he plans to defeat him, given how he killed Qui-Gon Jinn. Vader counters by saying Obi-Wan killed Maul, slicing the Zabrak's saberstaff in half.

Although the enlongated hilt of Maul's saberstaff is a weakness that has been exploited by foes inferior to ANH Vader:

This does nothing, however, given that both blades of Maul's saber remain active, and he uses Jar'Kai. With Jar'Kai, Vader is quickly put at Maul's mercy:

Maul prepares to kill Vader, but Vader calls his saber to him, and stabs himself in the stomach. The saber also pierces Maul's chest. With no armor, Maul dies, but Vader survives given his increased durability. Most people would not survive this suicidal move:

Throughout this fight, Maul is clearly portrayed as Vader's superior. In the beginning, Maul immediately kicks Vader, effortlessly thwarts Vader's cheating, and pimp slaps him in the face. Maul then dances around Vader, and leaps around the place, making Vader chase him. He then lands a saber hit on Vader, and Vader only keeps on fighting because of his enhanced durability. Then Vader cuts Maul's saberstaff in two, but via use of Jar'Kai, Maul quickly overwhelms Vader. Then Vader cheap-shots Maul.

Even after this, people can't somehow accept the fact that Maul beat Vader, and say that Vader would be able to effortlessly instakill Maul via the Force, because of this scene:

Of course, you could refuse the duel and attempt to destroy all of us here and now. You might even succeed.

First, this is misinterpreted. People say the prophets admit Vader could ragdoll them. But no. They say that Vader might do it. Might do it is not "he will certainly do it." There was a chance that Vader could do that- not a certainty. Also, what the prophet says next is the most problematic thing here:

But such a deed would diminsh you in the Emperor's eyes.

The prophet says that Vader ragdolling them instead of killing Maul in a duel would make the Emperor think less of Vader. But:

• First of all, why would Palps have to know that Vader killed them via Force? He wasn't there. Vader can simply tell him that he outdueled him. Sith are deceptive.

Secondly, Palpatine despises lightsaber dueling, and thinks it's a mere "Jedi game."

I've played along with your Jedi dueling games long enough.

His apprentice abusing the Force instead of playing "duel games" would only raise Palpatine's view of him, not diminish it.

Also, the Empire was strained- the Rebels had stolen the Death Star plans, and it was the Empire's priority to retrieve them. Vader was the most powerful field agent- Palpatine wouldn't like him wasting his time in duels against other Force-wielders if he can just instakill them with the Force.

Last but not least, why didn't Vader do that to Maul in this panel?

Yes, he was injured, but not that much. He still survived having a lightsaber through his stomach, and then he performed a Force Jump casually:

And he didn't need to outright ragdolling, just push him a few meters into the lava. Vader simply cannot destroy Maul like that, like people claim he could.

Durability

Another decisive factor in this fight: durability. Given his prosthetics, Vader's durability is considerably increased. And it saved him in this fight. He kept fighting well after being kicked in the face+pimp slapped, and especially this:

A normal Force sensitive, even a really good one, say, Mace Windu or Count Dooku would have been floored by that slash, and thus left at their opponent's mercy. Vader's durability was a really big edge- one that allowed him to last so long. Aforementioned Force sensitives without a really durable prosthetic armor would also have been left vulnerable to a killing blow or even be killed themsleves after this:

And they certainly would not have had pulled a suicidal move like Vader did. Vader's durability was a really massive edge, bigger than Maul's mobility+agility edge. Which I will now address.

Mobility+Agility

Maul has a clear mobility edge on Vader, given that he created afterimages of himself to Vader:

People somehow think that Maul's clear mobility+speed was the only reason Maul beat Vader. While it is a clear edge, it's not the only reason. The following was also- and mainly- due to skill:

And being faster or more agile than someone in combat is important. Being faster than Vader also is an impressive feat, given that Vader has some impressive speed feats:

In 18 BBY (massively, and I mean massively before his prime) Vader moves in an eyeblink+faster than anyone Ferus Olin has ever seen except for Yoda (this includes a version of Kenobi that's slightly post prime).

It happened before he could get out another word. Faster than an eyeblink. Faster than he'd seen anyone move, anyone except Yoda.

Last of the Jedi: Secret Weapon

Moved so fast he seemed to teleport (and, BTW, dodged a blaster bolt).

Creates a continuous afterglow of his lightsaber.

Killed Roan Lands before Ferus Olin could react, indicating Vader could blitz the latter.

He'd stood by and watched, too slow to react, as Darth Vader had casually flipped his lightsaber and ran it through his best friend, his partner, Roan Lands.

Last of the Jedi: Secret Weapon

Deflects blaster bolts from all angles.

When the boarding ramp had extended, Appo and his stormtroopers hurried outside, Vader right behind him, his ignited blade deflecting fire from all sides.

Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader

Moves his blade in a blur, slightly faster than the Starkiller clone.

Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs. Vader's defenses were impenetrable; his lightsaber seemed to arrive a split second before Starkiller's, every time.

The Force Unleashed II

Massively, and I mean massively before his prime, Vader blitzed a Jedi Knight:

Forms a shield out of his blade.

Deflects roughly a dozen blasters bolts at very close range.

Stylistic Edge

Something which people (even people who back Maul) leave out is the fact that Darth Vader has a lightsaber form advantage over Maul. Let's analyze the forms they both use.

Vader's style is somewhat of a hybrid, but the main form in his style is Form V, more specifically the Djem So variant:

Djem So follows the same philosophy of turning an enemy's attack back on him or her, it is optimized for lightsaber to lightsaber combat. Its signature move is the fluid riposte, which deflects a forceful enemy attack and immediately counter attacks.

The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

As we can see, Form V is a form that relies on counterattacks, which is just perfect for Juyo:

While its attacks can eviscerate defences- even the blocks of a Form III master- Form VII leaves its practitioner vulnerable and open to counterattack.

The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force

Juyo leaves itself open to counterattack, which is Djem So's speciality. A Djem So user has a stylistic edge over a Juyo user- this applies to Vader vs Maul. Yet Maul still beat Vader.

Just to make my argument full-proof, I am going to debunk that Maul had a stylistic edge over Vader when he started using Jar'Kai:

Vader/Anakin has used Jar'Kai in the past:

I am also going to address the next pro-Vader argument:

Dark Side nexus- amps

The place where Maul and Vader fought (Kalakar Six) was a Dark Side nexus, occupied in days long past by The Sith Empire, and in the same system as the Sith world Dromund Kaas. It was also the temple of the Prophets of the Dark Side. Because Maul was in the Dark Side nexus for longer, people say he was amped- more so than Vader. But that's just assumption. We don't know how much Maul was on the nexus. We can't just assume things and treat them as reality.

Canonicity of the Comic

An argument I was previously unaware of- some users have tried a super long stretch, claiming the comic was non-canon to Legends. Apparently due to a statement from Leland Chee. That statement, though, is from 2005. In 2008, the fight is referenced in a Legends sourcebook:

Kalakar Six: A moon reputed to be the site of a climatic confrontation between Darth Vader and a resurrected Darth Maul.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Thus making it Legends. Chee's statement was indeed true, but it was retconned in 2008 by a Legends sourcebook, written by Pablo Hidalgo himself. And it was retconned by Chee himself. Chee's recent statement>Chee's old statement given he has clearly changed his stance on the matter.

''Resurrection was selected as one of Star Wars Insider 83's 20 Most Memorable Moments of the Expanded Universe, with Leland Chee confirming its canonicity on his blog.''

Source : http://web.archive.org/web/20120213195410/http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/22/comments

And it is canon to the EU so much so that it was put into the top twenty of the EU's most memorable moments, thus cementing its position on the EU. Chee stated it was non-canon- Hidalgo, however, retconned it, and Chee himself disagreed with his old statement.

Illusion

Of course, it never ends. People always find arguments against Maul. This one is pretty funny. It states that the fight never happened in reality, but happened only in Vader's head.

It's not quite the real Darth Maul. Hence the "or something." Who knows, it could have been a vision like Luke confronting Vader on Dagobah or just some sort of Sith illusion. Or a clone. Nothing's been determined as to what we are actually seeing, just that Vader and Maul have a pretty cool battle.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120213195410/http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/22/comments

People have tried to use that to prove Maul might have not been real. But if it was all an illusion in Vader's mind, only Vader would think it was real. If so, then how did that moon become famous throughout the entire galaxy solely because of Vader vs Maul?

Kalakar Six: A moon reputed to be the site of a climatic confrontation between Darth Vader and a resurrected Darth Maul.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Answer: because the fight was real.

And Vader was leaking some smoke.

Now, in the fight, Maul tagged Vader twice- both injuries made Vader leak some smoke.

This absolutely proves that the fight was real.

Here. I hope this will make people understand that Maul won his fight against Vader, fair and square, and that there were no circumstances favoring Maul. I hope that the Maul lowballing that is constantly rising on this website ends. Once and for all.

Thoughts, anyone?

This would all be nice if this fight was actually part of the EU canon, which it isn't.

A+ for the effort, but it is wasted OP. The comic holds as much canonicity in the EU as "Old Wounds".

Yeah, the comic is non-canon, unfortunately.

Solid thread. Though there's one thing I disagree with:

I doubt Vader could fool Sidious that easily. Sidious could sense Vader's rebellious thoughts from across the galaxy and according to the Shadows of the Empire Sourcebook, Sidious knew everything that crosses Vader's mind and he(Vader) knew this.

@thesithmaster If I recall wasn't this version of Maul supposed to be undefeatable by Vader which is why the Maul copy was so shocked when he killed him out of self hatred? This in no way means actual Maul could beat Vader, it just means this aspect of Maul which was only killable through Vader's deepest reach of hatred pushed Vader past what the Maul copy thought was possible.

@kundelar:

Maul wasn't supposed to be undefeatable. The Prophets believed Maul to be better. Just that. And they were right.

@thesithmaster: The fact still stands though that that wasn't ACTUALLY Darth Maul.

@kundelar:

That's a nice excuse people use.

This is, in truth, TPM Maul, it just isn't the actual thing because from a story purpose it made no sense. It has the same abilities of the original. The comic itself was just a fanservice of Vader vs Maul crammed into the EU.

TPM Maul bested ANH Vader. Fair and square.

Sorry, not seeing how this comic is non-canon.

It was clones and not the real one. Clones have always been disregarded as evidence in comparison to the originals. No matter how "perfect" they're still separate beings.

@dernman:

Well, being a clone is absolutely irrelevant here, because he had the original Maul's capabilities.

There is even a source that labels this Maul as a "resurrected Maul", and the comic itself is "Resurrection."

But what matters here is that a cloned/resurrected Maul with the same level of skill and power as the actual TPM Maul defeated ANH Vader fair and square. So, it can be used as a feat for TPM Maul in sabers.

@thesithmaster said:

Sorry, not seeing how this comic is non-canon.

Yes, because Wookiepedia is truly the best source for these sort of things, isn't it? It doesn't matter than Leland Chee and other Lucasarts executives pratically confirmed it to be non-canon in Insider, because Wookie-flipping-pedia, a fan-editted Wikia, says it's canon. -_-

It's non-canon, your baseless fanwank nothwithstanding.

See that's the thing it is relevant. You can't say he has his abilities because he's another person. You can only say it seems like. Also there is no guarantee that he'd make the same choices. THat's just one reason clones get discounted. THere is no way around that. The fight means nothing.

Unless there was no question to being resurrected then you can't say it's still counts. Heck even if it is it's still not his original body just a cloned body.

Hell there is question that this is cannon.

You can't ignore these things just because you want to prove a point.

@wollfmyth209:

Those were the only sources I had at the time. Now here is a Legends Source acknowledging the fight:

Kalakar Six: A moon reputed to be the site of a climatic confrontation between Darth Vader and a resurrected Darth Maul.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Unless, of course, you consider The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia to be non-canon or "my baseless fanwank."

I have actually given sources contradicting the belief this is non-canon, you have said there are sources, but still providing no statements. As of now, sorry, it's part of Legends.

@dernman:

We have no actual proof it's a clone. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia states it to be a "resurrected Darth Maul." Heck, the comic itself is called Resurrection. It could very well be the actual Maul, but resurrected through the Prophets' Dark side magic.

Anyway, what matters is that this clone/reborn Maul has the same abilities of TPM Maul. Why? Because the comic itself was basically a fanservice, a what-if Maul and Vader fought. It was TPM Maul vs ANH Vader. Maul won the fight portion, but Vader cheap-shotted him.

The cover of the comic proves it was all about Vader vs Maul, and it was its purpose for existance:

It just wasn't the actual Maul because Maul had died during TPM, and the comic was written 11 years before TCW revived Maul. By TPM, Vader wasn't even Vader, so they had to justify Maul being around with resurrection by prophets/cloning techniques. This was TPM Maul vs ANH Vader, Maul won. Crystal clear.

I love the depths people will go to deny Maul teaching the beloved and iconic Vader a lesson, just because they can't accept that their beloved character was beaten by Maul, who is, as of know, the most hated and lowballed character in Star Wars.

They have not, however, debunked Maul's fair and square victory.

@thesithmaster said:

@wollfmyth209:

Those were the only sources I had at the time. Now here is a Legends Source acknowledging the fight:

Kalakar Six: A moon reputed to be the site of a climatic confrontation between Darth Vader and a resurrected Darth Maul.

The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Unless, of course, you consider The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia to be non-canon or "my baseless fanwank."

I have actually given sources contradicting the belief this is non-canon, you have said there are sources, but still providing no statements. As of now, sorry, it's part of Legends.

@dernman:

We have no actual proof it's a clone. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia states it to be a "resurrected Darth Maul." Heck, the comic itself is called Resurrection. It could very well be the actual Maul, but resurrected through the Prophets' Dark side magic.

Anyway, what matters is that this clone/reborn Maul has the same abilities of TPM Maul. Why? Because the comic itself was basically a fanservice, a what-if Maul and Vader fought. It was TPM Maul vs ANH Vader. Maul won the fight portion, but Vader cheap-shotted him.

The cover of the comic proves it was all about Vader vs Maul, and it was its purpose for existance:

It just wasn't the actual Maul because Maul had died during TPM, and the comic was written 11 years before TCW revived Maul. By TPM, Vader wasn't even Vader, so they had to justify Maul being around with resurrection by prophets/cloning techniques. This was TPM Maul vs ANH Vader, Maul won. Crystal clear.

I love the depths people will go to deny Maul teaching the beloved and iconic Vader a lesson, just because they can't accept that their beloved character was beaten by Maul, who is, as of know, the most hated and lowballed character in Star Wars.

They have not, however, debunked Maul's fair and square victory.

You can still call it a resurrection if it's a clone depending on how you look at it.

THere you go you called it a fanservice, a what if and didn't happen in universe. An alt reality so to speak because it's not cannon making it an alt reality.

You just proved the the fights irrelevance.

I love how you try to portray that it's other bias when you're trying to make every excuse to deny the facts and common unwritten rules just to prove Maul would win especially when the people pointing it out to use might not actually prefer Vader.

@dernman said:

THere you go you called it a fanservice, a what if and didn't happen in universe. An alt reality so to speak because it's not cannon making it an alt reality.

I said basically a fanservice; I never called it an alt reality. Even if it was somewhat of a fanservice, it was still referenced in a Legends source, thus making it canon to the Legends timeline. It is not canon to Disney, but here in the Vine we acknowledge the EU. Given it's canon to Legends, it counts.

You just proved the the fights irrelevance.

No, I didn't. I just made it clear it is Legends canon given it being referenced in a Legends source.

I love how you try to portray that it's other bias when you're trying to make every excuse to deny the facts

LOL. I have just laid out the facts in this blog, and proven Maul won fair and square up until the PIS. Everyone else is making up excuses to deny Maul's victory over Vader, such as the non-canonicity of the fight (debunked by Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia), Maul being a clone (that has roughly the same level of skill and power than the original TPM Maul) and many other things. They have done absolutely nothing- including you.

EU has been made non cannon despite you wanting to use it. It's only relevance is to the EU universe.

Clone still making it discounted.

Except you didn't you ignore pertinent common disqualifiers used in all battles and when pointed out to you ignored them calling them excuses like only a biased person would. THe only one who's trying to prove one is better than the other here is you. You don't even know my opinion on a fight between the two. All you know is I don't consider that fight valid because of of common unwritted rules that dismiss things in stories like clones, alt U character, mind controlled or any other alt state of being.

If it's not the original authentic unaltered in anyway whatsoever then it does not matter period.

@thesithmaster: TCSWE also noted a few other sources that have in recent times be labled as non-canon; you can simply refer to it as a retcon of sorts, but the actual comic is confirmed to be non-canon and within the same continuity as Old Wounds.

Seems like you put a lot of effort into this, great job.

The comic is non canon even in Legends and cannot be used as evidence in any form. End of story.

@notsoslimreaper:

Thank you!

Now, closing the debate on this comic's canonicity:

We have Insider stating the book is non-canon, but it is referenced in TCSWE, which is a Legends sourcebook.

Now, Insider came out in 2005, TCSWE came out in 2008 or after. If anything, TCWSE is retconning Insider.

This is proof enough the comic is Legends, whether people like it or not. TCSWE>>>>>>>>a random user's opinion or wish.

Updated (even further).

Nice thread to the Maul haters who think he isn't on the same level with Vader.

All knowing lordofthelight is enlightening us. He knows better than Leland Chee.

''Resurrection was selected as one of Star Wars Insider 83's 20 Most Memorable Moments of the Expanded Universe, with Leland Chee confirming its canonicity on his blog.''

Source : http://web.archive.org/web/20120213195410/http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/22/comments

@erkan12:

Thanks for the extra evidence and for the compliment. With Chee and Hidalgo confirming its canonicity, then no one can claim otherwise.

Another update.

I think this topic should left alone for now. I disagree with many of the criticisms levelled agains the Resurrection comic, but I think we should just allow it.

@yousufkhan1212:

Allow it to what? Allow Maul's performance to be lowballed?

@thesithmaster: It's slang:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=allow%20it

When I said "allow it" I meant that we should leave this topic alone.

@yousufkhan1212:

OK. But why?

@thesithmaster: Because they're unconvinced, and beating this topic to the ground gets tiresome.

@yousufkhan1212:

Only the Maul lowballers. The rest of the community is.

Good work . A pre prime Vader < Maul in sabers.

Solid thread.

Seems like you put a lot of effort into this, great job.

Nice thread

They don't seem like they aren't listening.

The Maul lowballers have only denied now; their baseless claims have been debunked.

I always thought, Maul would be the better duelist and Vader the stronger force user. Since Vader agreed to the duel, being so arrogant to think he could beat him in a lightsaber fight, he put himself in a clear disadvantage.

There are some things to take into account in SW Tales #9. First, Maul had the prep/surprise advantage. He knew Vader was coming while Vader had no idea what was in store for him. The setting of the fight heavily favored Maul's advantage in speed and agility...

Despite these things Vader still WON at the end of the duel.

To call Vader's killing blow on Maul a 'cheap shot' is really taking away from the entire meaning of that attack. It was a stroke of brilliance on Vader's part and fantastic storytelling on the behalf of Ron Marz (Who is a really nice guy in real life).

SW Tales was also written in 2001.

In 2018 the gap between Maul and Vader has only widened.

Maul admitted in Rebels that he could not defeat Vader on his own.

Show creator David Filoni has gone on record that Vader was originally supposed to kill Maul and then move onto Ahsoka.

Vader is soloing entire squadrons and military units.

Maul is soloing thugs/cantina scum.

Vader's stats in any roleplaying form are always superior to Maul. Star Wars D20 and now Fantasy Flight Star Wars.

Nice thread. It's pretty obvious Maul is ANH Vader level.

@sincereagape

There are some things to take into account in SW Tales #9.

I'd be surprised if it was new- the same arguments have been repeated across multiple threads.

First, Maul had the prep/surprise advantage. He knew Vader was coming while Vader had no idea what was in store for him.

The Prophets are pretty much making a speech when Maul has already been revealed. Vader knew perfectly what he was facing. He had a minute to prepare and he even accepted the challenge. This is little more than an excuse.

The setting of the fight heavily favored Maul's advantage in speed and agility...

Oh, do please elaborate on this.

Despite these things Vader still WON at the end of the duel.

Via cheap-shot. He caught Maul off guard. In the actual duel, Maul had floored Vader after piercing through his guard and had him dead to rights. If that isn't Maul outdueling Vader then I have no idea what it is.

To call Vader's killing blow on Maul a 'cheap shot' is really taking away from the entire meaning of that attack.

It isn't because the attack was exactly that. A cheap-shot.

It was a stroke of brilliance on Vader's part

The same can be argued for TPM Kenobi bisecting Maul, yet I hope you agree that TPM Kenobi is nowhere near Maul as a fighter.

SW Tales was also written in 2001.

In 2018 the gap between Maul and Vader has only widened.

If anything that detracts from a case for Vader, lol.

Maul admitted in Rebels that he could not defeat Vader on his own.

Show creator David Filoni has gone on record that Vader was originally supposed to kill Maul

Not sure why you're bringing a completely different iteration of Maul from what's pretty much a different verse.

Vader is soloing entire squadrons and military units.

Maul has plowed through scores of Gungans (Gungans being elite warriors that captured General Grievous and Yoda saw fit to fight a pretty tough battle against the Separatists on Mon Cala, a battle where the Republic were having their asses kicked.

Some of the Gungan riders saw him coming and took aim. Maul twisted his body, either evading flights of energy lances and spheres or fending them off with the lightsaber. Letting go of the STAP when he was still twenty meters from Ganne and the general, he called on the Force to send himself tearing through a score of mounted Gungans. It was clear that they had never seen anything like him. But then, who had? What Sith in the past thousand years had been allowed to wield a lightsaber in open battle? Was that in itself not enough to qualify him as a true Sith?

The rubbery Gungans all but disintegrated at the touch of the twin blades Maul had hoped to reserve for the Jedi. Their billed heads flew in all directions. His slashes halved them down the middle or through the midsection, and they squawked as they died. Their nostrils flared and their eyes bulged from their heads, and the white sand beach grew puddled with their blood. Maul maneuvered closer to Ganne, cutting the legs out from under the Gungans’ mounts or impaling them on his lightsaber. He launched himself into the air when he was still five meters from the Boss and the general. The latter lost his head to one of the blades, and Ganne was knocked from his mount by Maul’s extended left hand.

End Game

Even then, defeating fodder hardly proves Vader to be superior to Maul. Just because Maul hasn't really been in that many situations of fighting armies doesn't mean he couldn't.

Maul > ANH Vader as a duelist.

@dark-sith123: hey you still agree with what you posted 10 months ago? I mean maul agenda aside I think ANH Vader is more powerful in the force and a marginally inferior duelist NGL

And the Vader lowballing in this place continues to be atrocious. Lmao

@cobracommander: how is this “lowballing?” Besides the lowballs here aren’t as bad as the lowballs here https://www.suspectinsightforums.com/

This comic was dumb and non-canon

Maul was always better than Vader