Telepathic Resistance?

Does anyone have any scans/feats of Wanda resisting telepathy? I think she has some but I can't find any specific scans.

@geekryan: She once wasn't get affected by Hypnotism in her most recent comics. She resisted Xavier, Onslaught, and the Serpent Crown twice. She was stated to have psychic defense. Break free from Dormammu's control with the help from Vision and break free from Immortus control with the help from Agatha. Emma Frost could not TP her in AvX and so on...

Scans please.

@josh983: did you list instances of her needing help to prove resistance?

@geekryan:

Break free from Immortus (who was capable of destroying Agatha's astral from) control with the help from Agatha Harkness https://imgur.com/a/RDMRZPH

Stated to have psychic defense. It was torn away because her attacker which was Amora caught her off guard previously. Obviously her will power was getting affected when she was weakened. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111307596/7061629-2128234008-GetAttachmentThumbnail

Resist being controlled by this guy (his hold over her not yet complete because Wanda keeps resisting) https://imgur.com/a/Bc50ABg

She resisted Xavier in House of M #1. Emma Frost and Dr. Strange also can't/or hardly track her in the same issue.

She resisted Onslaught. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111397981/7411261-5844133-avengers%20%26%20x-men%20-%20axis%20001-020.jpg

She fights the Serpent Crown mentally. https://imgur.com/a/aw6iHuf

Emma Frost and any other telepaths from the X-Men didn't even try to manipulate her mind (because they can't?).

Does a person use will power or shield to protect her/himself from being possessed? Is it cpunt and is it similiar? Because Wanda does have possession resistance.

Also her psychic defense has been improved in these current days to the point that she proved to be immune to Ringmaster's hypnotism. She was also weakened because of that comic: Dr. Strange the last day of magic (All witches, warlocks, magic users, sorcerers powers were weakened). https://imgur.com/a/9AQeeA5

She was capable to undo/dispell Star's hold on Jessica Jones in Star (2020) #3. Star was amped by the reality stone at the time.

@josh983:

Break free from Immortus (who was capable of destroying Agatha's astral from) control with the help from Agatha Harkness https://imgur.com/a/RDMRZPH

Immortus doesn't have any impressive telepathic feats to speak of, Wanda needed Agatha's help, and it's highly likely that Immortus used technology to control Wanda since he has no powers beyond time manipulation. Also, from his CV page:

"Other abilities he has displayed in the past, such as energy projection or mental manipulation, may or may not be powers he has himself. Quite possibly, these powers actually derive from technology he gained during his time travels, most likely an evolved form of the technology he used while as the warmonger Kang."

Stated to have psychic defense. It was torn away because her attacker which was Amora caught her off guard previously. Obviously her will power was getting affected when she was weakened. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111307596/7061629-2128234008-GetAttachmentThumbnail

Wow, a statement from several decades ago. How outdated.

Resist being controlled by this guy (his hold over her not yet complete because Wanda keeps resisting) https://imgur.com/a/Bc50ABg

This doesn't work in your favour. This featless dude was successfully controlling Wanda. What telepathic feats does this guy have to make Wanda resisting him impressive in the slightest?

She resisted Xavier in House of M #1. Emma Frost and Dr. Strange also can't/or hardly track her in the same issue.

An unstable and amped Wanda. Also, you didn't provide the scan for it.

She resisted Onslaught. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111397981/7411261-5844133-avengers%20%26%20x-men%20-%20axis%20001-020.jpg

Lol, resisted?

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Wanda straight up gets her mind controlled by Red Onslaught lol. Rogue with Xavier's powers is the one to save her. Before then, Wanda was his puppet. She didn't resist anything.

She fights the Serpent Crown mentally. https://imgur.com/a/aw6iHuf

Uhhh she was losing this battle lol, Thing had to intervene to save her. Also, the Serpent Crown doesn't have any good telepathic feats to make this impressive.

Emma Frost and any other telepaths from the X-Men didn't even try to manipulate her mind (because they can't?).

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Next.

Does a person use will power or shield to protect her/himself from being possessed? Is it cpunt and is it similiar? Because Wanda does have possession resistance.

Willpower is only useful when someone is trying to enter their mind to possess them or control them. Willpower is useless against a direct psychic attack. Also, possession by magic isn't the same as possession by telepathy.

Also her psychic defense has been improved in these current days to the point that she proved to be immune to Ringmaster's hypnotism. She was also weakened because of that comic: Dr. Strange the last day of magic (All witches, warlocks, magic users, sorcerers powers were weakened). https://imgur.com/a/9AQeeA5

Lol, Ringmaster's hypnotism? Seriously? How does that compare to actual telepathy???

She was capable to undo/dispell Star's hold on Jessica Jones in Star (2020) #3. Star was amped by the reality stone at the time.

Yeah, with a magical spell, casted on Jessica. How is she going to do that to herself?

Everything you said has been debunked.

Also:

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Teen Jean, a much weaker version of the adult Jean Grey, was able to read Wanda's mind without her even realizing or having permission.

And for the cherry on top:

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Wanda entered Shanna's mind in order to free her from the Cotati's control....and failed miserably. Shanna kicked her butt, and she isn't even a psychic.

@geekryan: Red Skull also min controlled her multiple times. Wanda was resisting Red Onslaught in the sense that she was trying to fight back, but this doesn't mean much because she still failed and was doing his bidding

@geekryan said:

@josh983:

Break free from Immortus (who was capable of destroying Agatha's astral from) control with the help from Agatha Harkness https://imgur.com/a/RDMRZPH

Immortus doesn't have any impressive telepathic feats to speak of, Wanda needed Agatha's help, and it's highly likely that Immortus used technology to control Wanda since he has no powers beyond time manipulation. Also, from his CV page:

"Other abilities he has displayed in the past, such as energy projection or mental manipulation, may or may not be powers he has himself. Quite possibly, these powers actually derive from technology he gained during his time travels, most likely an evolved form of the technology he used while as the warmonger Kang."

Stated to have psychic defense. It was torn away because her attacker which was Amora caught her off guard previously. Obviously her will power was getting affected when she was weakened. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11130/111307596/7061629-2128234008-GetAttachmentThumbnail

Wow, a statement from several decades ago. How outdated.

Resist being controlled by this guy (his hold over her not yet complete because Wanda keeps resisting) https://imgur.com/a/Bc50ABg

This doesn't work in your favour. This featless dude was successfully controlling Wanda. What telepathic feats does this guy have to make Wanda resisting him impressive in the slightest?

She resisted Xavier in House of M #1. Emma Frost and Dr. Strange also can't/or hardly track her in the same issue.

An unstable and amped Wanda. Also, you didn't provide the scan for it.

She resisted Onslaught. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111397981/7411261-5844133-avengers%20%26%20x-men%20-%20axis%20001-020.jpg

Lol, resisted?

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Wanda straight up gets her mind controlled by Red Onslaught lol. Rogue with Xavier's powers is the one to save her. Before then, Wanda was his puppet. She didn't resist anything.

She fights the Serpent Crown mentally. https://imgur.com/a/aw6iHuf

Uhhh she was losing this battle lol, Thing had to intervene to save her. Also, the Serpent Crown doesn't have any good telepathic feats to make this impressive.

Emma Frost and any other telepaths from the X-Men didn't even try to manipulate her mind (because they can't?).

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Next.

Does a person use will power or shield to protect her/himself from being possessed? Is it cpunt and is it similiar? Because Wanda does have possession resistance.

Willpower is only useful when someone is trying to enter their mind to possess them or control them. Willpower is useless against a direct psychic attack. Also, possession by magic isn't the same as possession by telepathy.

Also her psychic defense has been improved in these current days to the point that she proved to be immune to Ringmaster's hypnotism. She was also weakened because of that comic: Dr. Strange the last day of magic (All witches, warlocks, magic users, sorcerers powers were weakened). https://imgur.com/a/9AQeeA5

Lol, Ringmaster's hypnotism? Seriously? How does that compare to actual telepathy???

She was capable to undo/dispell Star's hold on Jessica Jones in Star (2020) #3. Star was amped by the reality stone at the time.

Yeah, with a magical spell, casted on Jessica. How is she going to do that to herself?

Everything you said has been debunked.

And for the cherry on top:

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Teen Jean, a much weaker version of the adult Jean Grey, was able to read Wanda's mind without her even realizing or having permission.

This debunking is straight *chef’s kiss*.

@geekryan:

It was Classic Wanda. So what if he used technology?

Nope. It's still relevant. She still has psychic defense.

What? You are false. Wanda clearly resisted his control and at the end she broke free from his held over her. And it is still Classic Wanda (He had prep before he fought Wanda).

Lol, she was resisting his control at the end, that's why she stopped warping reality. And Rogue saved her after that.

You are wrong again. So are you gonna ignore that he has and combined 2 serpent crowns? And that Jones used those items to freeze and affect the entire city?

https://imgur.com/a/vrgmLgb

You still ignore it?

Yes, an angry Emma TP'd her at close range. Can she do that at long range?

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Explain the difference!

Yes. Seriously lol. He has controlled the entire audience easily + Spiderman who also has willpower. And don't forget that Wanda was weakened and that it was not even resisting it was immune, he could not affect Wanda's mind at all.

https://imgur.com/a/uvW3qZH

By doing exactly what she did to Jessica, what else? You don't even know about basic things like that? Imo...

So in conclusion all of you said is wrong!

Also:

LMAO! Wanda was holding back. It was obvious that she didn't want to hurt her. Because Wanda doesn't want to harm her in any way, it is somewhat safe for her to bring Ka-Zar from the astral plane and summon him to calm her down. Later, she easily subdued the guy who controlled Shanna's mind before.

https://imgur.com/a/P5vsKAi

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Hah! That is not even current Wanda and Jean did that at close range too. But I actually found some inconsitencies in her actually. She once put Wolverine to sleep as well as read his mind easily.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111173561/6173338-jean%20tp%203.jpg

Yet, Wolverine can resist Emma's mental command.

http://imgur.com/a/KrmyO

Is Teen jean > Emma ? Plus it was written by Bendis, so...

1) Who cares if it's Classic Wanda? According to you, outdated feats don't count.

Using technology isn't real telepathy. That's like saying Mysterio's illusions are legit telepathy...

You also didn't account for Agatha having to help her and Immortus not being a real telepath with any notable TP feats to make this impressive.

2) A statement from several decades ago does not hold worth when we have seen Wanda get affected by TP countless times since. Also, Amora uses magic, not actual telepathy.

3) Wanda was struggling and visibly sweating in order to fight off this dude's mind control. You also failed to explain what TP feats he has to make this impressive. You also don't even know his name, so that clearly proves you know nothing about him or why it is impressive.

4) Wanda was under Red Onslaught's control. I don't see how you can deny that lol. Once Rogue started using Xavier's telepathy to block Red Onslaught, then Wanda was able to resist him:

If Rogue didn't help, Wanda wouldn't have been able to break free.

5) Ohhh wowww, TWO pieces of the Serpent Crown?!?!

Even Thing wasn't affected by this lol, and he literally has zero psychic defences. Also, some vague and non-absolute city-level mind control is nothing compared to what reputable telepaths like Jean or Emma can do.

6) Close range??? THAT'S your counter? Do you not know how telepathy works?

Emma is a planetary-level telepath. Do some research before you say such ridiculous things like "Can she do that from long range?"

7) Explain the difference between magical possession and telepathic possession? They are done via two completely different power sets. Dr Strange could possess someone through his own magic; Jean Grey could possess someone through her own telepathy. If someone has strong magical defences but weak psychic defences, Jean would have an easier time than Dr Strange.

8) Equating hypnotism to real telepathy....Yikes. As I said before, that's like saying Mysterio's illusions are real telepathy... Affecting an audience of people is something every low-tier telepath could do. Spider-Man's psychic defences are also pretty bad.

Also, she wasn't immune to it. She straight up admitted that she was mesmerized. The only difference is that she remembered it happening, but she was still compelled to do what he wanted. That isn't even resisting, and it sure isn't immunity.

9) So because Wanda was able to cast a spell and undo mind control on someone else, you assume she could cast a spell on herself to undo mind control that she is currently under...? Prove it.

10) Let me repeat: A NON-PSYCHIC like Shanna was able to beat Wanda. That's embarrassing, even if Wanda was holding back. And when Wanda did subdue the guy, she didn't do it psychically, she attacked him with energy/magic, so your argument is useless.

11) That was Wanda from less than a decade ago lol. Close range makes no difference, and the fact that you brought that up twice now is very telling of what you know.

Wolverine's psychic defences are very inconsistent, but more often than not, he gets affected by telepathy from most mid to high tier telepaths. Teen Jean is a mid-tier telepath.

Overall, you haven't said anything that proves any of my arguments wrong. You got debunked again.

You have also admitted on other threads that Wanda would be affected by a TP attack, if she "isn't prepared". What exactly is "prepared" to you?

Based on what you have said, I can conclude two things: 1) You are extremely biased towards Wanda, and constantly wank her, and 2) You are very ignorant about how telepathy works.

I don't expect you to change your mind, but I'm doing this to prove that despite how powerful Wanda can be, she is useless against any reputable telepath. Take the L.

.....*looks around*

Does Wanda have reliable TP resistance?.

Press 1 for NO.

Press 2 for Hell No!

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@geekryan: All nonsense and strawmanning of her claims......

@wastelandman Since you're familiar with magical characters, and I assume Wanda as well, what are your thoughts on this?

I've definitely read my fair share of Wanda appearances from my readings though I haven't really focused on her feats. The most impressive feat that comes to mind is countering Moon Dragon who's a telepath with feats at planetary/scales to it:

IIRC, she was possessed or something, but Agatha, who was training her in witchcraft at the time, said it was in line with what she had taught her. Later still, when she returned to normal, Agatha would still say she passed her teachings.

@wastelandman: This feat has been brought up before. Moondragon uses a psi bolt, which is a physical projectile attack, and Wanda dodged/deflected it. So Moondragon didn't really try to attack Wanda's mind directly.

@geekryan said:

Even so, it shows Wanda's hex energy > MD's mental energy. IDK why she couldn't just shield her mind with a hex sphere. Plus, the narrative suggested Moon Dragon was fodder to Wanda here. Pretty sure if she could have dropped her mind she would have.

Possibly, but telepathy being used as physical projectiles instead of psychic assaults was more common at this time, especially for Moondragon. A physical attack like that is more susceptible to being blocked or deflected, seeing as Wanda literally dodged it.

For the record, that's actually not true. I gathered feats for her for an RT I intended to make but never did and she spammed TP and rarely used psi-bolts compared to other TP, particularly in that era. Maybe other TP users did.

A physical attack like that is more susceptible to being blocked or deflected, seeing as Wanda literally dodged it.

Again, conjuring a hex sphere would still be a counter, imo.

There is a RT for her. The offence section of her 616 telepathy involves a lot of bolts of energy originating from her mind, but we only see them being physically dodged once, with Wanda.

As for the hex sphere, based on what evidence can it be used to counter telepathy?

If you look at the beginning of the thread, there's a lot of back and forth between myself and Josh. The evidence is pretty damning that Wanda can consistently deal with high-tier telepathy.

@geekryan:

I know, that's why I didn't make one because that one was finished before mine. There's plenty of instances of her abusing TP, including the Avengers (multiple times, even across planets) and X-Men and plenty of others of her using TP that aren't bolts as well.

I mean, saw her shrug off TP from Emma Frost before dishing it back. Seems like she could handle High Tier TP to a degree unless you don't consider Emma that high. Also, she can just freeze their minds as well.

I'll take a look at the thread myself, just based on my readings she, doesn't come across that way, but maybe.

Emma dropped her.

Wanda was also mind-controlled by Red Skull/Onslaught on several occasions, and his telepathy was a weaker version of Xavier's.

If any of the above scans aren't working, let me know.

@geekryan:

AXIS scaling was pretty bad, don't take that very seriously myself. Also, if that's an ambush, it's not as impressive. Moon Dragon ambushed Strange only for Strange to drop her in direct battle.

We can't just exclude it because you think the scaling was bad though, and it's not like she only got mind-controlled once...

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In Uncanny Avengers #2, gets mind-controlled by Red Skull, who had Xavier's brain but did not have access to his full powers.

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Uncanny Avengers #2-3, again showing being controlled by Red Skull.

In Uncanny Avengers #25, again, being controlled by Red Skull.

Avengers & X-Men AXIS #1...Gets controlled by Red Onslaught.

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Teen Jean, a much weaker version of the adult Jean Grey, casually reading Wanda's mind without her permission.

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In Empyre Avengers #2, Wanda entered Shanna's mind in order to free her from the Cotati's control....and failed miserably. Shanna kicked her butt, and she isn't even a psychic.

@geekryan:

We can't just exclude it because you think the scaling was bad though

I can personally exclude it if I do though lol.

As for everything else, I didn't document or save every example of her TP feats in my readings, I'm not interested in her character like that, all I'm saying is I didn't get that impression from mine.

@wastelandman: Lol alright, fair enough then

wanda antis are dumb beast as usual lmao

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/cav-jean-grey-geekryan-vs-scarlet-witch-soratoumig-2275323/

:)

@geekryan: So now we're being ignorant. A psi bolt is not a physical attack, theyre mental blast yhat can vary from bad headaches to Brain death and it's even stated in the panel it was natrually invisible(Also moon dragon had far better then planetary feats) Wanda straight up dodged telepathy.

@geekryan: This analysis of the fight is flawed, Red Onslaught was trying to get in their heads in their heads even prior to this scan which I see you didn't show, and you can figure that out by using the context clues on the page. After rogue left and came back it is literally shown in that panel Wanda ceased her reality warping and began fighting his telepathy again before rogue flew off with her beyond some building that wasn't even far away (Based off your logic being further away should effect the telepathy and even after they moved he couldn't get back into wanda head, so unless you want to contradict what you said about close and long range Wanda did indeed resist said telepathy) Redd skull also Out preformed cable and was able of mentally manipulating Thor when a Phoenix force Emma Frost could not (Hyperion with a piece of the Phoenix force could read the minds of everyone in the universe so- ) Next in line please.

@bitterparadise: Sorry, who are you?

Thanks for debunking this, and thank you Geek for linking the CaV where I debunked your telepathic bs.

@soratoumiga: Thank you for the new Wanda reading material and tp resistance evidence I read all the post from the CaV it was impressive how you didn't even use most of Wanda's feat and was able to make a relevant counter argument. Props.

@geekryan: I don't see how that information pertains to this conversation.

@bitterparadise: Thanks.

Can you provide proof for that oh WandaCultist

@wandacultist: Lmao, I expected nothing less from a Wanda cultist. You’re all the same.