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#1 Edited by just_sayin (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

Ahead of Ben Shapiro's speech at Berkeley, the school has offered counseling services for those who may feel "threatened" by Shapiro's presence on the campus. Shapiro is a conservative/libertarian speaker and head of the Daily Wire.

The LA Times cites the school as saying: “We are deeply concerned about the impact some speakers may have on individuals’ sense of safety and belonging...No one should be made to feel threatened or harassed simply because of who they are or for what they believe.”

Some have called Shapiro a "Fascist" for his conservative views. While others point out the Never Trumper was the number one target of anti-Semitc attacks online for 2016 according to the Anti Defamation League and claim he is not a Fascist but their number one target.

Antifa have successfully stopped the appearance of conservative speakers such as Ann Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos before by rioting. At the Milo speech about $100,000 dollars in damage was done. They promise to prevent Ben Shapiro from speaking.

So who is more of a threat to the students of Berkeley? Shapiro or Antifa?

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#2 Edited by decaf_wizard (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro won't assault people who try to show up at his event. I think the answer is rather obvious to anybody with a shred of common sense

Just sayin

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#3 Posted by Chris-Sama (2462 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Shapiro a threat? lol

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#4 Posted by xTheLegend27x (16 posts) - - Show Bio

Antifa are scum. I feel bad that so many people can be misguided, it's the gang mentality

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#5 Edited by mrmonster (4692 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro. Sure Antifa is rioting and attacking people, but Ben Shapiro is doing something far worse...he's offending people by the egregious act of disagreeing with them.

But seriously, if you people like Ben Shapiro trigger you so much, then just go to your dorm room, or literally any other part of the campus, and wait for his speech to be over. No one is requiring the students to go to his speech, if they attend they attend at their own free will. No need to destroy your own campus just to prevent your feelings from being hurt.

As a side note, might I point out that blocking fascist behavior, aka behavior the left associates with Ben Shapiro. Sorry, but you lose the right to call anyone else a fascist when you start waging war on the first amendment.

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#6 Posted by Wut (4749 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro, at his worst, just needs the below to 'fix' whatever feelings or sensitivity he hurts:

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Antifa, on the other hand, organized violent protest and the second you do that whatever message you are trying to send gets destroyed. You don't get to 'fight for equality and tolerance' by violently silencing another's voice and personal views no matter how much you disagree with said views.

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#7 Posted by Stan Rodriguez (364 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Sharpio. His talk no Jutsu is too strong for them.

While all Antifa did was phyiscal violence, and we all know that never hurts anyone

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#9 Posted by Batman242 (7236 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro won't assault people who try to show up at his event. I think the answer is rather obvious to anybody with a shred of common sense

Just sayin

Quite rare these days.

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#10 Posted by Cable_Extreme (13654 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro is the most dangerous because he is the literal embodiment of racism and patriarchal oppression.

I even once saw him eat meat!!! That monster!!!!!!

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#11 Posted by HeroUp2112 (12374 posts) - - Show Bio

All the responses on this thread give me hope for the future. Not close to kidding. I heart y'all.

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#12 Posted by decaf_wizard (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:

Ben Shapiro won't assault people who try to show up at his event. I think the answer is rather obvious to anybody with a shred of common sense

Just sayin

Quite rare these days.

Unfortunate but fair

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#13 Posted by Thekillerklok (6325 posts) - - Show Bio

Antifa or a large group of violent people.

I just hope guns don't get involved.

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#14 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

OP totally isn't biased. Nor does he have an agenda.

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#15 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424: right because him having an opinion totally takes away from the legit subject and suddenly makes antifa angels.

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#16 Posted by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder how long it takes this thread to be closed for some flimsy reason.

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#17 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@revan2424: right because him having an opinion totally takes away from the legit subject and suddenly makes antifa angels.

No, him being biased, makes a difference. Don't put words in my mouth.

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#18 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:

@revan2424: right because him having an opinion totally takes away from the legit subject and suddenly makes antifa angels.

No, him being biased, makes a difference. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth i'm calling it as it is.

What's funny is someone could easily repeat the same words you said towards you but but but oh no it's different with you right?

Edit: What exactly is your problem here? Criticizing the guys right to speak being denied or suggesting that antifa is a dangerous group?

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#19 Posted by Lunacyde (26585 posts) - - Show Bio

Both suck for obviously different reasons.

In other news I should probably make a thread like who is more of a threat to Americans Al Gore or domestic terrorists. That would have about as much relevance.

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#20 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio
@lunacyde said:

Both suck for obviously different reasons.

In other news I should probably make a thread like who is more of a threat to Americans Al Gore or domestic terrorists. That would have about as much relevance.

Not unless those terrorists were actively using threats as a weapon to stop him from speaking at places within the US and succeeding.

Edit: It's a legit subject because antifa are doing these things and it seems like to many that people give them a pass and making the other guy to be the real problem

Now you can disagree with something about the OP but that is what the thread is used for. Not closing it for bias or agenda. (not accusing you of going to do that)

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#21 Edited by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:

@revan2424: right because him having an opinion totally takes away from the legit subject and suddenly makes antifa angels.

No, him being biased, makes a difference. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth i'm calling it as it is.

What's funny is someone could easily repeat the same words you said towards you but but but oh no it's different with you right?

Edit: What exactly is your problem here? Criticizing the guys right to speak being denied or suggesting that antifa is a dangerous group?

You're not calling it as it is. You're putting words in my mouth.

What's funny is someone could easily repeat the same words you said towards you but but but oh no it's different with you right?

WTF are you talking about? You're being ridiculous.

Edit: What exactly is your problem here? Criticizing the guys right to speak being denied or suggesting that antifa is a dangerous group?

I'm pointing out how wacky his comparison is.

And for future reference, stop asking stupid questions.

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#22 Edited by infantfinite128 (3232 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Ben Shapiro. He talks almost as fast as the Flash runs though. And by Flash, I mean Barry. He has nothing on Wally's speed. He'd take out that Anti-fa group quicker than anybody. :)

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#23 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:

@revan2424: right because him having an opinion totally takes away from the legit subject and suddenly makes antifa angels.

No, him being biased, makes a difference. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm not putting words in your mouth i'm calling it as it is.

What's funny is someone could easily repeat the same words you said towards you but but but oh no it's different with you right?

Edit: What exactly is your problem here? Criticizing the guys right to speak being denied or suggesting that antifa is a dangerous group?

You're not calling it as it is. You're putting words in my mouth.

What's funny is someone could easily repeat the same words you said towards you but but but oh no it's different with you right?

WTF are you talking about? You're being ridiculous.

Edit: What exactly is your problem here? Criticizing the guys right to speak being denied or suggesting that antifa is a dangerous group?

I'm pointing out how wacky his comparison is.

And for future reference, stop asking stupid questions.

Yes I am. No I didn't.

The fact that you think so is telling.

It's actually not considering the situation and how so many make him to be the real problem out of the whole thing. I don't particularly like the guy as he leans to far right for my tastes but geez. These speakers are the ones getting blamed and not the protestors, threat makers. It's a comparison brought up but not made by the OP. Reaction too the situations have done that already. To ignore that is ridiculous.

Better yet for future references stop making stupid posts and exposing yourself

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#24 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman:

Yes I am. No I didn't.

No you aren't. Yes you did.

The fact that you think so is telling

The fact that you don't think so is telling.

It's actually not considering the situation and how so many make him to be the real problem out of the whole thing.

That doesn't make any sense.

Better yet for future references stop making stupid posts and exposing yourself

For future reference don't tag me. Your responses are nothing short of brain cancer.

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#25 Posted by ParagonNate (3432 posts) - - Show Bio

Antifa obviously.

I may not agree with everything Ben Shapiro says, but he at least supports freedom of speech and other constitutional rights.

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#26 Posted by Laxbro60 (96 posts) - - Show Bio

wow @revan2424 i think you just played the most ridiculous game of "no im not, you are" while completely dodging any question asked of you and then acted like you won the argument.

thats really impressive.

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#27 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424 said:

@dernman:

Yes I am. No I didn't.

No you aren't. Yes you did.

The fact that you think so is telling

The fact that you don't think so is telling.

It's actually not considering the situation and how so many make him to be the real problem out of the whole thing.

That doesn't make any sense.

Better yet for future references stop making stupid posts and exposing yourself

For future reference don't tag me. Your responses are nothing short of brain cancer.

Yes I am and no I didn't. You keep insisting it isn't going to change that.

Yes and I'm good with what it tells because it supports me.

No it doesn't but people are still making him out to be worse in these situations anyway. So the comparison is automatically made. OP just shines a light on it.

Says the guy who made garbage posts like you did.

Fine I wont tag you as long as you don't tag or refer to me. I could do without responding hypocrisy and garbage.

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#28 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@laxbro60 said:

wow @revan2424 i think you just played the most ridiculous game of "no im not, you are" while completely dodging any question asked of you and then acted like you won the argument.

thats really impressive.

WTF are you talking about? I did exactly what he did. Don't tag me, troll.

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#29 Edited by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

I could do without responding hypocrisy and garbage.

Ironic.

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#30 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424 said:
@laxbro60 said:

wow @revan2424 i think you just played the most ridiculous game of "no im not, you are" while completely dodging any question asked of you and then acted like you won the argument.

thats really impressive.

WTF are you talking about? I did exactly what he did. Don't tag me, troll.

You referenced me and no directed insults like name calling.

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#31 Edited by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@laxbro60 said:

wow @revan2424 i think you just played the most ridiculous game of "no im not, you are" while completely dodging any question asked of you and then acted like you won the argument.

thats really impressive.

WTF are you talking about? I did exactly what he did. Don't tag me, troll.

You reference me and no directed insults like name calling.

Troll isn't an insult. And don't tag me. Like I said.

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#32 Posted by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

I could do without responding hypocrisy and garbage.

Ironic.

Garbage posts and a clear misuse of the word ironic. I suggest a dictionary.

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#33 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@laxbro60 said:

wow @revan2424 i think you just played the most ridiculous game of "no im not, you are" while completely dodging any question asked of you and then acted like you won the argument.

thats really impressive.

WTF are you talking about? I did exactly what he did. Don't tag me, troll.

You reference me and no directed insults like name calling.

Troll isn't an insult. And don't tag me. Like I said.

Troll is an insult but when has truth ever been a factor with you.......

Then don't tag or reference me. Anytime you do so gives me the right to respond.

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#34 Posted by Laxbro60 (96 posts) - - Show Bio

@laxbro60 said:

wow @revan2424 i think you just played the most ridiculous game of "no im not, you are" while completely dodging any question asked of you and then acted like you won the argument.

thats really impressive.

WTF are you talking about? I did exactly what he did. Don't tag me, troll.

being called a troll by Darkraiden 2.0

cute.

well obviously you have nothing intelligent to say and you arent gonna actually contribute or answer any questions so im gonna sit back and watch your melt down k? cool.

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#35 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@laxbro60:

being called a troll by Darkraiden 2.0

WM, is that you? Are you ever gonna respond in that CaV? You scared?

cute.

well obviously you have nothing intelligent to say and you arent gonna actually contribute or answer any questions so im gonna sit back and watch your melt down k? cool.

Like there was anything to say. He basically said, nu-uh, to all of my posts, so I did the same.

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#36 Posted by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@laxbro60: An alt of darkraiden or just a comparison?

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#37 Posted by Laxbro60 (96 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@laxbro60: An alt of darkraiden or just a comparison?

comparison

he was caught messing with the votes in his CaV as an alt and he had a meltdown and deactivated his account. Darkraiden never went that far but he did have his meltdowns in CaVs

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#38 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@laxbro60 said:
@dernman said:

@laxbro60: An alt of darkraiden or just a comparison?

comparison

he was caught messing with the votes in his CaV as an alt and he had a meltdown and deactivated his account. Darkraiden never went that far but he did have his meltdowns in CaVs

You are aware that was done for comedic effect right? And I didn't mess with the votes, I proved it in a PM with Juiceboks. It, again, was a joke. Duh.

You gonna respond in that CaV? Scared?

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#39 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@laxbro60: Notice the accusations made towards you of being a troll followed by resorting to name calling and school boy "you scared?" taunts?

ironic am I right? lol

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#40 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@laxbro60: Notice how he calls you the troll but resorts to name calling and school boy "you scared?" taunts?

I called him a troll, because he has like 50 posts. That's usually the case with these users. But now I know he's an alt, and who he is. And he has a CaV with me that he's been dodging. Lol, talk about context.

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#41 Posted by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:

@laxbro60: Notice how he calls you the troll but resorts to name calling and school boy "you scared?" taunts?

I called him a troll, because he has like 50 posts. That's usually the case with these users. But now I know he's an alt, and who he is. And he has a CaV with me that he's been dodging. Lol, talk about context.

Post counts don't matter it certainly isn't helping you any.

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#42 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:

@laxbro60: Notice how he calls you the troll but resorts to name calling and school boy "you scared?" taunts?

I called him a troll, because he has like 50 posts. That's usually the case with these users. But now I know he's an alt, and who he is. And he has a CaV with me that he's been dodging. Lol, talk about context.

Post counts don't matter it certainly isn't helping you any.

Ohhh yeah it does. I've learned this a loooong time ago, that a user with less 100 posts has about a 75% chance of being a troll, if they know how to use the site well. Unless they admit to being an alt.

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#43 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:

@laxbro60: Notice how he calls you the troll but resorts to name calling and school boy "you scared?" taunts?

I called him a troll, because he has like 50 posts. That's usually the case with these users. But now I know he's an alt, and who he is. And he has a CaV with me that he's been dodging. Lol, talk about context.

Post counts don't matter it certainly isn't helping you any.

Ohhh yeah it does. I've learned this a loooong time ago, that a user with less 100 posts has about a 75% chance of being a troll, if they know how to use the site well. Unless they admit to being an alt.

Really and who but you came up with this statistic and should we suddenly ignore the 25% that are not alts? Calling them trolls is ok?

Where is his denial of being an alt himself? It seems to me that with only 44 posts and referencing past incidents is almost an admission of being someones alt.

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#44 Posted by Revan2424 (4553 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:
@revan2424 said:
@dernman said:

@laxbro60: Notice how he calls you the troll but resorts to name calling and school boy "you scared?" taunts?

I called him a troll, because he has like 50 posts. That's usually the case with these users. But now I know he's an alt, and who he is. And he has a CaV with me that he's been dodging. Lol, talk about context.

Post counts don't matter it certainly isn't helping you any.

Ohhh yeah it does. I've learned this a loooong time ago, that a user with less 100 posts has about a 75% chance of being a troll, if they know how to use the site well. Unless they admit to being an alt.

Really and who but you came up with this statistic and should we suddenly ignore the 25% that are not alts?

Where is his denial of being an alt himself? It seems to me that with only 44 posts and referencing past incidents is almost an admission of being someones alt.

I came up with the statistic of course. I scoured the vine, and came up with every user ever.

And there is no denial. I was wrong, he isn't a troll, he's @warlockmage, and I have a CaV with him. Why else would I say I do?

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#45 Edited by Lunacyde (26585 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: I think the answer is obvious. People who support antifa disappoint me.

I wouldn't imagine closing a thread for disagreeing with it. I believe in countering things I don't like with a better argument, not silencing them.

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#46 Posted by wildvine (13780 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: @revan2424: @laxbro60:

Enough. Get back on topic or stop tagging each other. If I have to come back here someone besides me won't be happy.

We now resume the topic conversation.

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#48 Edited by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio

@wildvine: I just saw your post after posting what I did. I didn't ignore you. Just letting you know.

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#49 Posted by Dernman (23872 posts) - - Show Bio
@lunacyde said:

@dernman: I think the answer is obvious. People who support antifa disappoint me.

It's obvious to me too but not everyone agrees with us. A significant amount of people believe his rhetoric is more dangerous and harmful. It also has ties to the whole free speech vs silencing harmful speech debate that is a real issue today.

That's what I believe threads like this are for. TO deal with that. It's why I believe it's legit and relevant to talk about. I found your comment to be dismissive of the OP's post and was making a case in favor.

I've been seeing too many dismissives lately and wanted to address one while I had the opportunity.

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#50 Edited by just_sayin (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Today is the day of Ben Shapiro's speech. The event is sold out, but Berkeley will not allow tickets to be sold in the balcony for fear that people will throw things at the people below. All the buildings in the surrounding area have been closed. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been spent on security (See LA Times article).

The chancellor has said that the 'best response to hate speech is “more speech”'. But do you think Ben Shapiro is engaged in hate speech and is a danger to the student body?

On a side note - Berkeley has built their wall before Trump even started his.

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