& why ?
@cable_extreme: He beat phoenix in days of futures past comic
Apocalypse drained and caught charles off gaurd in the twelve because (as stated) if he didn't Charles would've beaten him quite easily
Nate is firstly alternate universe and secondly now depowered, but even in his prime he would've killed himself before he was able to kill Charles because he couldn't control his powers as good as Xavier. Even if he could he was only as strong as dark phoenix and DOFP charles easily beat dark phoenix in a psi war
Franklin once called Nate the strongest Psi being. Yes he was a kid but he admited he can't be as powerful as nate. So that places nate above franklin and nate was already stated (by me) to not be on level.
I know that we are going to take this debate further and I assume it will be on Nate only, or maybe you point out more awesome characters that can rival the professor but I'm more than willing to discuss
@tinyford: I don't quite understand your point about Franklin and Nate. Franklin is leagues above professor X, so I don't understand your point.
It would be mighty convenient of Professor X could defeat apocalypse, that would have stopped the whole war between them.
The Phoenix is on a completely different level than Charles unless he has the mind gem, is that what you are referring to?
@cable_extreme: franklin with all his powers are leagues above the professor yes, seeing as the professor is in a wheelchair and only has TK, but TK only Franklin stated that he cannot beat nate. So that means Franklin<Nate. Now since Charles can beat Nate that means Charles>Nate. Which translates to:
He can, it's just stat apocalypse outsmarts him and catches him off gaurd everytime. If he was to face charles in a psi war they prepared for he wouldn't do much more than get fried.
No I stated dark phoenix can easily be beaten. Nothing is on White phoenix level, but then again that is not really a fight that would mean anything as it would be a mutant against a force, and not mutant against mutant. Dark phoenix uses the force so it's still a mutant, white phoenix IS the force so no longer a mutant.
@tinyford: your argument is that Nate is only as strong as Dark Phoenix and Charles beat Dark Phoenix therefor Nate would lose to Charles.
One that is ABC logic and you have failed to prove the premise or foundation of the argument. How can you be sure Nate is only as strong as Dark Phoenix?
Nate'S control over his powers has little to do with the amount of power he has. What makes Charles so good is that his mastery over his powers is extreme, it allows him to battle or stall against greater powers like Apocalypse.
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