I don't see how we could come to the conclusion that these first molecules could suddenly put themselves together. Especially if we have no basis for a foundation for even atoms and quarks to exist. Saying that it's possible if we wait wouldn't be a satisfactory answer for their existence and how they function and operate.
You are not seeing it because you don't understand how basic chemistry works. And if I remember correctly, HELIUM AND HYDROGEN atoms existed during the inception of the big bang which it was the most abundant atoms to exist among quarks and leptons.
The apex of your dilemma is that the universe would expand so much that by the time particles cooled sufficiently for them to combine, the density would be so low that they would never interact?
That is demonstrably not the case, even without considering the clumping effects caused by gravity that later ensure that there are concentrations of matter; we know that we have atoms as well as galaxies, stars etc. The solution at the epoch when the universe cooled sufficiently for protons to capture electrons, a typical electron could interact about 108108 times with a proton in the time it took the universe to expand significantly.
You would need to explain how the process of the specific molecules of electricity would even be able to function or control itself in whatever environment that it's in. Saying it just does and that the energy is just there wouldn't be a satisfactory answer in how the building blocks for it's creation came about in the first place.
............is this serious? There's even sub branch of discipline in chemistry called electrochemistry. The passage of electricity through a gas generally causes chemical changes........ This also helps the process which has helped in refining metals, electroplating, and in producing hydrogen and oxygen from water.
You need to explain exactly how entropy knows exactly what's needed to act on the globs and how those very globs know how to straighten themselves out in an orderly fashion. You would also need to explain how just jamming energy can produce the right amount of acids to produce proteins without oversight or direction.
Ok first of all, globs "don't know" as much as atoms "know" they are not conscious materials and no scientist ever stated that. If you happen to know basic chemistry again, atoms interact with each other due to a thing called a "valence shell". As far as we know atoms like to be stable and once they are they tend not to interact as much with the other elements.
Like I said, this production didn't happen in an instance it took many billions of years before the right chemical reactions happened in order to create the first simple organisms.
Even if we waited 2 trillion years this entire process wouldn't be possible in how you're describing it. You haven't explained the hurdles and pitfalls in this assumption such as the assumption that earth’s primitive atmosphere contained the necessary gases in the right proportions to start the chain of reactions. There is no evidence to support this. The second pitfall is If such an atmosphere did exist, and if the amino acids were produced, they would be destroyed by the same source of energy that split the methane and ammonia and water vapor. Amino acids are very complex molecules; therefore they are less stable and more easily destroyed—just as it is easier to topple a stack of 10 bricks than a stack of three. Formed high in the atmosphere, such amino acids could hardly survive to reach water on earth, and, if they did, they would not endure here long enough to become concentrated into the “soup” of the evolutionary theory.
That's why there's a thing called panspermia and is regarded as one of most accepted theories in explaining how simple chemical elements could have splashed into the atmosphere and created different chemical reactions which resulted into a varied of simple organisms.
Again the fallacy is that you assume that amino acids in the past were more complex than what it is today which wasn't. In case you didn't know .Simple life is based on the RNA molecule. RNA at is simplest is a short chain of a sugar, ribose, and four nucleotides (A,U,G,C) linked in a chain by phosphodiester bonds. In other words, it’s a chemical, made up of some of the ubiquitous atoms that exist on earth.
Each of the components is a molecule, that, like thousands of others, can form spontaneously in solution from smaller molecules by the action of electrostatic forces and energy sources. To assemble them into RNA is more complicated, and unlikely, but it is still a matter of chemistry: the inherent properties of matter and energy.
RNA is intrinsically self-replicating. It’s not the only chemical that can pull that trick simply because of its chemical structure under particular physical conditions.
So the whole methane and ammonia is simply not even a factor that would hinder the production of later amino acids since the earth would eventually become more stable and cooler as time went on.
It really is
You're essentially trying to simplify a process that's realistically impossible to simplify. You haven't explained how it even starts and where the energy even comes from start it and direct it 🤔
I'm simplifying it in terms you and everyone else can understand. Also, the energy said to even create life would still come from the sun but guess that was not obvious. The 'direction" is based on the environment and how it evolves from it there's no straight direction set to follow.
I could give you multiple scources easily, but this sort of thing is pretty common knowledge. Even in schools in regards to the cell itself.
Its not common knowledge, do cite them because it sounds fallacious. What you don't understand is that life probably started as something simpler than a single cell. It probably started as something like self-replicating strands of RNA. Cells would later arise to a more complicated structure of cell walls, cytoplasm, mitochondria, and a nucleus after a period of evolution.
The first cell probably wasn’t one cell (just like it probably wasn’t a single first human). It was more likely a group of related proto-cells that evolved cellular structures.
Our current understanding is that there is ultimately a single ancestor for all of life on earth, so even if there were multiple “starting” life forms, they eventually got to a single-species bottleneck.
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