Which Is Worse (Far Left Or Alt Right)

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#101  Edited By AbstractRaze

@purpleperson said:

Hitler had some leftist policies but he also despised trade unions and workers’ rights and slaughtered many communists due to their political beliefs. I think most people would agree that what made Hitler such a terrible figure is his racism, brutality and warmongering, not because he nationalised a few industries.

If you look at the entirety of his policies, he doesn’t neatly fit into either the far left or far right.

The Nazis mainly persecuted Jews and then Gypsies so that it fits the lore, but the reason behind is debatable, many people say that the Nazis did it in order to annihilate the remains of the German Marxist Socialist Revolution since 1918, known as the 'Novemberrevolution' which was lead by Jewish Marxist thinkers from the Frankfurt School in Germany, unfortunately, my beloved city.

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Now, at that point, Jews were well known for domaining the European banking system, the Nazis and other European undercover elites which contributed with the Nazis, saw them as a threat overall and they promoted racism against Jews in order to overthrow their might from Europe, however, there are some speculations that the Nazis did not touch the German-Jewish bank M.M.Warburg & CO in Hamburg Germany, in fact, the entire bank operated under Jews during the WWII, there are alot of speculations why it could have been the case.

But that's it, the Nazis weren't racist against black people, Asians, Arabs, etc... here are some images of Arabs, Asians and black people serving for the Nazis:

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Abortion and transgender beliefs are not the same as being racist xenophobic and violent.

Right, cause beating up anyone who disagrees with you, violently attacking an old man while wielding crowbars, and smacking the shit out of a conservative journalist isn't violent. And openly blaming today's white people for slavery and expecting them to have white guilt isn't racist, got you bud.

Use your brain mate

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There’s nothing worse than the far left.

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@kgb725: Were you talking about the left with your original statement about racism and violence? Because if not, then I seriously hope you aren't denying Antifa's vicious attacks lately.

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The far left may be bad, but they do not even compare to the violence and hatred of the far right. When the far left commit a massacre at a church like in Charleston or kills an entire camp full of children like in Norway, let me know.

I have to respectfully disagree. The far right may commit more extreme attacks, but the far left seems to do so with far more frequency and with very dangerous methods as well. Let's not act like Antifa's methods of walking around with crowbars and baseball bats can't get someone killed(one swing to the head can easily kill someone). Also, they now seem to be conspiring with people involved with the government, such as Portland's mayor, and are getting away with these acts frequently.

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We have banned guns in Australia. Australia has one of the highest standards of living worldwide and very low gun-related violent crimes compared to the US but sure.

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#107  Edited By Jgames

@dernman: did you know about the time a crazy alt righy had a boat load of guns and were planning to kill multiple left wing politician b4 the coast guard stop them? Both extreme side can be pretty shitty. But as someone who lean a bit to the left, I am probably safer from the extreme left compare to the extreme right. That being said again, both side are ass.

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@abstractraze said:

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Don't take him seriously, the second amendment is the Golden amendment, the Founding Fathers gave you the possibility to defend yourself from a Socialist Fascist government once the American diplomats and sociopolitical intellectuals fail to redirect the American political leadership, the Founding Fathers gave you that defense when things seem to be hopeless.

As a German, I admire the second amendment, the one above all amendments in human history.

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When the Nazi took over, we never had a chance to fight, we only could submit and end up being oppressed by them.

Your German? I feel for you guy's right now.

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@faradaysloth: modern day Neo-Nazi’s literally assembled a protest in Charlottesville, VA , threatened black students who attended UVA (including athletes) , viciously attacked and hospitalized many black and white students , actually KILLED someone all because they believe that The Typical Nazi white male is superior

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#110  Edited By AbstractRaze

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@abstractraze said:

@adamantine:

Don't take him seriously, the second amendment is the Golden amendment, the Founding Fathers gave you the possibility to defend yourself from a Socialist Fascist government once the American diplomats and sociopolitical intellectuals fail to redirect the American political leadership, the Founding Fathers gave you that defense when things seem to be hopeless.

As a German, I admire the second amendment, the one above all amendments in human history.

100%

When the Nazi took over, we never had a chance to fight, we only could submit and end up being oppressed by them.

Your German? I feel for you guy's right now.

That's sadly not the case, the very reason why only a 20% of the German voters, does not support the Fascist Neo-Liberal and leftist European Union, tells a lot that our people did not learn from the past, undercover Nazis successfully took control over Europe.

Technocracy is already happening in Europe, the German VW already bought tons of Italian and some British brands such as Bentley and so on, the same case is with some French corporations buying other European brands, the power is being centralized in France and Germany, everything is merging, in the US, the entraining media is being centralized, Disney is an example, they're buying everything, if I'm not wrong, Disney bought 21st Century Fox.

The Nazis from the new-era became way smarter and they successfully fooled the Western World, but it's the same what, they won't succeed in the U.S, the second amendment is an impenetrable barrier, it's virtually impossible that fascism can succeed in the United States, the people just would stand up and devour any Socialist Fascist government.

PS:

The second amendment is essential from its very core, hopefully, European patriots bring down the EU and hopefully we incorporate the second amendment aftermath.

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They both have their annoying traits, in general. The far left bothers me a good bit more though.

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@wolverinebatmanftw said:

@faradaysloth:

We have banned guns in Australia. Australia has one of the highest standards of living worldwide and very low gun-related violent crimes compared to the US but sure.

Give it some time. You'll become like Western Europe soon enough. Your just a little further away.

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@jagernutt said:
@abstractraze said:

@adamantine:

Don't take him seriously, the second amendment is the Golden amendment, the Founding Fathers gave you the possibility to defend yourself from a Socialist Fascist government once the American diplomats and sociopolitical intellectuals fail to redirect the American political leadership, the Founding Fathers gave you that defense when things seem to be hopeless.

As a German, I admire the second amendment, the one above all amendments in human history.

100%

When the Nazi took over, we never had a chance to fight, we only could submit and end up being oppressed by them.

Your German? I feel for you guy's right now.

That's sadly not the case, the very reason why only a 20% of the German voters, does not support the Fascist Neo-Liberal and leftist European Union, tells a lot that our people did not learn from the past, undercover Nazis successfully took control over Europe.

Technocracy is already happening in Europe, the German VW already bought tons of Italian and some British brands such as Bentley and so on, the same case is with some French corporations buying other European brands, the power is being centralized in France and Germany, everything is merging, in the US, the entraining media is being centralized, Disney is an example, they're buying everything, if I'm not wrong, Disney bought 21st Century Fox.

The Nazis from the new-era became way smarter and they successfully fooled the Western World, but it's the same what, they won't succeed in the U.S, the second amendment is an impenetrable barrier, it's virtually impossible that fascism can succeed in the United States, the people just would stand up and devour any Socialist Fascist government.

PS:

The second amendment is essential, hopefully, European patriots bring down the EU and hopefully we incorporate the second amendment aftermath.

Yep. The second amendment exist so that we can take control back should the government ever get too far out of hand.

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#113  Edited By AbstractRaze

@jagernutt: Things are getting serious, because what Disney is doing, is actually illegal, do you remember the scandal with Microsoft or the Cocacola company between the 80's and 90's? The American government took action against their monopoly, but today, they favouring Disney's monopoly and other American companies such as Google, the same happened in Germany when the Nazis took over.

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@abstractraze:

Yes. I didn't think about it yet regarding Disney. But monopolies are illegal in the US.

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#115  Edited By AbstractRaze

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@abstractraze:

Yes. I didn't think about it yet regarding Disney. But monopolies are illegal in the US.

Anyway, The Founding Fathers were so brilliant, to even believe they saw 241-243 years into the future, but the triumph card of the second amendment is meant to be the last resort, it's actually sad, but if it happens, hopefully after the following conflict, the United States should obtain a new healthy start full of glory.

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@wolverinebatmanftw said:

@faradaysloth:

We have banned guns in Australia. Australia has one of the highest standards of living worldwide and very low gun-related violent crimes compared to the US but sure.

Give it some time. You'll become like Western Europe soon enough. Your just a little further away.

@abstractraze said:
@jagernutt said:
@abstractraze said:

@adamantine:

Don't take him seriously, the second amendment is the Golden amendment, the Founding Fathers gave you the possibility to defend yourself from a Socialist Fascist government once the American diplomats and sociopolitical intellectuals fail to redirect the American political leadership, the Founding Fathers gave you that defense when things seem to be hopeless.

As a German, I admire the second amendment, the one above all amendments in human history.

100%

When the Nazi took over, we never had a chance to fight, we only could submit and end up being oppressed by them.

Your German? I feel for you guy's right now.

That's sadly not the case, the very reason why only a 20% of the German voters, does not support the Fascist Neo-Liberal and leftist European Union, tells a lot that our people did not learn from the past, undercover Nazis successfully took control over Europe.

Technocracy is already happening in Europe, the German VW already bought tons of Italian and some British brands such as Bentley and so on, the same case is with some French corporations buying other European brands, the power is being centralized in France and Germany, everything is merging, in the US, the entraining media is being centralized, Disney is an example, they're buying everything, if I'm not wrong, Disney bought 21st Century Fox.

The Nazis from the new-era became way smarter and they successfully fooled the Western World, but it's the same what, they won't succeed in the U.S, the second amendment is an impenetrable barrier, it's virtually impossible that fascism can succeed in the United States, the people just would stand up and devour any Socialist Fascist government.

PS:

The second amendment is essential, hopefully, European patriots bring down the EU and hopefully we incorporate the second amendment aftermath.

Yep. The second amendment exist so that we can take control back should the government ever get too far out of hand.

I think this sums up my feelings on the situation reasonably well.

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@jagernutt said:
@wolverinebatmanftw said:

@faradaysloth:

We have banned guns in Australia. Australia has one of the highest standards of living worldwide and very low gun-related violent crimes compared to the US but sure.

Give it some time. You'll become like Western Europe soon enough. Your just a little further away.

@abstractraze said:
@jagernutt said:
@abstractraze said:

@adamantine:

Don't take him seriously, the second amendment is the Golden amendment, the Founding Fathers gave you the possibility to defend yourself from a Socialist Fascist government once the American diplomats and sociopolitical intellectuals fail to redirect the American political leadership, the Founding Fathers gave you that defense when things seem to be hopeless.

As a German, I admire the second amendment, the one above all amendments in human history.

100%

When the Nazi took over, we never had a chance to fight, we only could submit and end up being oppressed by them.

Your German? I feel for you guy's right now.

That's sadly not the case, the very reason why only a 20% of the German voters, does not support the Fascist Neo-Liberal and leftist European Union, tells a lot that our people did not learn from the past, undercover Nazis successfully took control over Europe.

Technocracy is already happening in Europe, the German VW already bought tons of Italian and some British brands such as Bentley and so on, the same case is with some French corporations buying other European brands, the power is being centralized in France and Germany, everything is merging, in the US, the entraining media is being centralized, Disney is an example, they're buying everything, if I'm not wrong, Disney bought 21st Century Fox.

The Nazis from the new-era became way smarter and they successfully fooled the Western World, but it's the same what, they won't succeed in the U.S, the second amendment is an impenetrable barrier, it's virtually impossible that fascism can succeed in the United States, the people just would stand up and devour any Socialist Fascist government.

PS:

The second amendment is essential, hopefully, European patriots bring down the EU and hopefully we incorporate the second amendment aftermath.

Yep. The second amendment exist so that we can take control back should the government ever get too far out of hand.

I think this sums up my feelings on the situation reasonably well.

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That's actually degeneracy, but by making people intellectually inefficient and vulnerable (lack of character), it's easier to submit them, but the good thing is that the other side of the US is full of veterans and characterful/prideful people which won't fall on those sort of situations, you don't have to worry.

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@dernman: did you know about the time a crazy alt righy had a boat load of guns and were planning to kill multiple left wing politician b4 the coast guard stop them? Both extreme side can be pretty shitty. But as someone who lean a bit to the left, I am probably safer from the extreme left conpare to the extreme right. That being said again, both side are ass.

This is your reply. To compare one person against a group who has a modern history of being protected by media and government officials?

it seems to me your example is trying to brush aside my point by pointing to the other side which makes no sense. i never insinuated anything about the right NOT being an issue. It is but it's a given and most people acknowledge it.

My point is the left isn't as safe as it's being made out to be. They're wolves in sheeps clothing. They are looked at more a favorably and down played as a threat by the mainstream. The danger of the far left is growing and they're becoming more violent, dangerous.

The old argument that well the left isn't armed just isn't true anymore. They are arming themselves and they're telling others to do the same.

You can point to the problem on the right like everyone doesn't already know it. It's not going to make the problem on the left any less of one. Being slightly left won't help you as much as you think. They have a history of going after anyone as being alt right or whatever if you're not as far left as them. Even those on the left that don't tow their line.

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@dernman said:
@jgames said:

@dernman: did you know about the time a crazy alt righy had a boat load of guns and were planning to kill multiple left wing politician b4 the coast guard stop them? Both extreme side can be pretty shitty. But as someone who lean a bit to the left, I am probably safer from the extreme left conpare to the extreme right. That being said again, both side are ass.

This is your reply. To compare one person against a group who has a modern history of being protected by media and government officials?

it seems to me your trying to brush aside my point by pointing to the other side which makes no sense. i never insinuated anything about the right NOT being an issue. It is but it's a given and most people acknowledge it.

My point is the left isn't as safe as it's being made out to be. They're wolves in sheeps clothing. They are looked at more a favorably and down played as a threat by the mainstream. The danger of the far left is growing and they're becoming more violent, dangerous.

The old argument that well the left isn't armed just isn't true anymore. They are arming themselves and they're telling others to do the same

What the hell does "Alt-Right" even mean anyway? I still can't seem to figure that shit out.

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How exactly does Disney count as a monopoly

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@dernman said:
@jgames said:

@dernman: did you know about the time a crazy alt righy had a boat load of guns and were planning to kill multiple left wing politician b4 the coast guard stop them? Both extreme side can be pretty shitty. But as someone who lean a bit to the left, I am probably safer from the extreme left conpare to the extreme right. That being said again, both side are ass.

This is your reply. To compare one person against a group who has a modern history of being protected by media and government officials?

it seems to me your trying to brush aside my point by pointing to the other side which makes no sense. i never insinuated anything about the right NOT being an issue. It is but it's a given and most people acknowledge it.

My point is the left isn't as safe as it's being made out to be. They're wolves in sheeps clothing. They are looked at more a favorably and down played as a threat by the mainstream. The danger of the far left is growing and they're becoming more violent, dangerous.

The old argument that well the left isn't armed just isn't true anymore. They are arming themselves and they're telling others to do the same

What the hell does "Alt-Right" even mean anyway? I still can't seem to figure that shit out.

It means people that don't agree with them. You wouldn't believe some of the people i've heard being accused of being alt-right. Have you heard this latest thing the far left accuse people of. The alt-right left. To those on the left that don't go as far as them.

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@dernman said:
@jagernutt said:
@dernman said:
@jgames said:

@dernman: did you know about the time a crazy alt righy had a boat load of guns and were planning to kill multiple left wing politician b4 the coast guard stop them? Both extreme side can be pretty shitty. But as someone who lean a bit to the left, I am probably safer from the extreme left conpare to the extreme right. That being said again, both side are ass.

This is your reply. To compare one person against a group who has a modern history of being protected by media and government officials?

it seems to me your trying to brush aside my point by pointing to the other side which makes no sense. i never insinuated anything about the right NOT being an issue. It is but it's a given and most people acknowledge it.

My point is the left isn't as safe as it's being made out to be. They're wolves in sheeps clothing. They are looked at more a favorably and down played as a threat by the mainstream. The danger of the far left is growing and they're becoming more violent, dangerous.

The old argument that well the left isn't armed just isn't true anymore. They are arming themselves and they're telling others to do the same

What the hell does "Alt-Right" even mean anyway? I still can't seem to figure that shit out.

It means people that don't agree with them. You wouldn't believe some of the people i've heard being accused of being alt-right. Have you heard this latest thing the far left accuse people of. The alt-right left. To those on the left that don't go as far as them.

I'm not surprised. This generation is pathetic.

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@faradaysloth:

We have banned guns in Australia. Australia has one of the highest standards of living worldwide and very low gun-related violent crimes compared to the US but sure.

Nope, still legal to own a gun in Australia, nice try.

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@darkonast: The Far left also assembled to have a protest at Charlottesville, also threatened people, also viciously attacked people, and actually KILLED over 50 million people worldwide.

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@faradaysloth: who is far left & killed that many people? Dont say Hitler b/c he is NOT far left

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You should go to politics thread. There is someone there asking how AOC is bat shit crazy or just plain stupid and is defending her.

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@faradaysloth: who is far left & killed that many people? Dont say Hitler b/c he is NOT far left

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Kim Jongs, Castro, etc.

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@faradaysloth: @jagernutt:

Sigh, there is actually a leftist in a comment section I'm in that has argued trump is a child murderer and that his supporters are child murderer sympathizers.

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@kalkent: Trump could cure Cancer and they would still call him the worst President in history, Like @faradaysloth said in another thread most liberal media news stations will twist anything he does into a negative. I'm not even a Trump fan but it's true the media bias against him is ridiculous.

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@kalkent: Trump could cure Cancer and they would still call him the worst President in history, Like @faradaysloth said in another thread most liberal media news stations will twist anything he does into a negative. I'm not even a Trump fan but it's true the media bias against him is ridiculous.

I didn't even vote for Donald Trump myself. But it's obvious at this point that people are just looking for reasons to accuse him. I have no idea what these people are thinking.

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@adamantine: Why didn't they they teach you about the roots of the whole right and left spectrum then, if you also believe Hitler would be left wing and Anarchism right wing?

The classical right wing were the Monarchists, while Anarchists were on the far left, the spanisch Anarchists were also far left and there are still far left Anarchists to this day.

Hitler adopted a few themes of the left to far left, used some of their namings and a bit more. But in their true core were the NSDAP and Hitler always far more right wing than left wing.

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@kalkent: How is a little sub group of the far left who are mostly known for trashing cars and sometimes Hoolgan like behaviour, worse than a much bigger group of people who activley try to rewoke the rights of countless minorities, women and more, flirt the whole time with Hitler and the classical Nazi ideas and have literally hate as their main policy?

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@adamantine: Trump himself said he could shoot a person in New York, and his fans would still vote for him.

It doesn't need a genius to understand the mind Set of a Person who says that about his own fans.Trump would rather make big bucks from the pharma industry and throw the possibility of healing cancer into the trash can, then to actually heal cancer.

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@johncena69swag: That isn't how it works, going by that circular logic would be Monarchism far left.....

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@abstractraze: Are you seriously implying the Nazis overtook Germany by force, which couldn't be prevented because the germans had allegedly no guns?

Is this an idea thread for fictional history, or what is going wrong here?

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Me coming into to this thread like:

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Like what some of this shit I'm reading has me all like!

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The altright in america kills more people every year than far left and muslim extremists put together.

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@captain_narlowe: abstractraze literally is a neo nazi and has on this site said the Bundeswehr should overthrow the german government...

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@captain_narlowe said:

@abstractraze: Are you seriously implying the Nazis overtook Germany by force, which couldn't be prevented because the germans had allegedly no guns?

Is this an idea thread for fictional history, or what is going wrong here?

Yes, at that time the media was heavily manipulated like nowadays in the fascist EU, during the early Nazi times, maybe the beginning had some real mayor approval, but as time passed, people started to notice that things turned out to be more sinister, furthermore, the only fact that the Röhm-Putsch happened during 1941, is a hint that there was a huge disproval against the Nazis in Germany, but as said, the Nazis led a strict gun policy, only the military was in the position to overthrow the Nazi regime which failed.

If the German people would have the possibility to have something like the Second Amendment, the German population would be severely armed and therefore, it would be easier to proceed with a putsch against the Nazis. The second amendment makes it virtually impossible for fascism to rule a nation, that's a fact, no matter if the Fascists systematically proceed with the purge of sociopolitical conservative intellectuals, because the sociopolitical intellectuals are only a prevention, but the normal people with weapons/guns, are the legit cure against fascism once the prevention fails to redirect the political spectrum.

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The Second Amendment is beyond essential IMO, the second amendment is the only reason why fascist intentions in the USA advanced so slow, so passive, because the politicians are so damn afraid of the people, they would piss their pants before making headless decisions, because why? because the American population is like a phantom with a huge gun pointing at their heads, the Founding Fathers wanted strong American citizens in order to shut down any possible tyrant government and they were politicians, true politicians, true and legit governors.

'We help you to keep order and you prevent us from completely taking your freedom'

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Extremism that leads to violence should be condemned no matter which side it comes from. I don't see many on the right condoning violence, but it seems more frequent on the left and the left seems to give violence from their side a "pass" in many instances. This past week a member of Antifa attempted to bomb a migrant detention center in protest of ICE. The news barely mentioned it. Imagine if an alt-right group bombed a migrant detention facility? The news for weeks would be about how the right are all racists and that it is Trump's fault. Recently Antifa members attacked a conservative reporter, causing injury to his brain. You'd think the left would unanimously condemn this type of violence against he press, but many on the left attacked the victim instead and claimed he had it coming for reporting on violence at Antifa rallies.

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@kalkent: How is a little sub group of the far left who are mostly known for trashing cars and sometimes Hoolgan like behaviour, worse than a much bigger group of people who activley try to rewoke the rights of countless minorities, women and more, flirt the whole time with Hitler and the classical Nazi ideas and have literally hate as their main policy?

It's not a sub group at all, they are very large in numbers, and it is far from hooligan behavior. They regularly vandalize and beat the shit out of people who disagree with them. They are also now conspiring with the mayor of Portland to get away with their acts. And also, hate is also Antifas main policy, they just try to say it is not.

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The "alt right" is dead, and there's reasons to suspect it was never real in the first place.
Meanwhile, communism get pats on the back by the establishment while simultaneously posing the greatest threat to humanity any ideology has ever presented. Indeed, the far left is much more dangerous.

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Honestly, this thread is just dumb. These are groups of people based off political views and both have justifications. I'm an Independent, in case you couldn't figure it out. Someone trying to justify not agreeing with one based on a few extremists and psychopaths doesn't speak to the general community. I'm honestly just fed up with this childish bullshit. Both parties have their points and justifications, both have their extremists and crazies, but neither is worse than the other. It doesn't really seem fair to base an opinion for a political ideology based off a few of its believers, that clearly have problems and are therefore not indicative of the party itself. So, as kind as I can say it, shut the fuck up you man children and move on with your lives.

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#150  Edited By AbstractRaze

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@abstractraze said:

The Nazis mainly persecuted Jews and then Gypsies

You forgot to mention Slavs. Hitler and the Nazis wanted Lebensraum in Eastern Europe, and that required the genocide of Slavic people via Operation Barbarossa and Generalplan Ost.

Blacks in Nazi Germany were sterilized and sent to concentration camps. Afro-Germans were also referred to as Rhineland Bastards. Hans Massaquoi is a name that comes to mind.

That's all post-war Communist propaganda, Nazis targeted Slavs from the political spectrum which supported Communism, and the Nazis targeted Slavic paramilitary divisions which sided for the Soviets.

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I repeat myself, the Nazis were Neo-liberalist, radical-leftists, Socialist Facists and Globalists Imperialists. Communists and the Neo-Liberals falsified several documents after defeating the Nazis, in order to poison National sentiments in the West.

Do you really think that the Nazi leaders at the top believed in a real racial purpose against Jews? they were laughing at the people who believed them, they promoted racism against Jews with the only final purpose to take away the Jewish might in Europe and not otherwise, it only had a financial background, it was because of economic interests.