Which gun looks better?

M4

M4

Ooookay, I will ATTEMPT to not let my MASSIVE personal bias for my sweet baby the M4 sway me TOO much buuuuttttt...

• Notice the nice coal black finish on the M4 as opposed to that pewter looking finish on the CAR 15?
• The handy dandy read sight adjusts on the M4?
• The longer barrel length on the M4, as opposed to the little flash suppressor on the CAR 15 that sort of makes it looks like a kid's toy?
• The very comfortable middle finger rest on the M4 that helps it keep from slipping out of your hand when said hand is sweaty (oh say if you're in the jungle, desert, or just plain hauling ass?)
• The nice, sturdy, metal rear sling mount on the bottom of the M4 stock, as opposed to that (admittedly hard) plastic slat sling mount on top of the CAR 15 that can break or bend much more easily?
• Notice the forward assist (that thing that sort of looks like a plunger sticking out just behind the ejection port) that can help seat a round that has gotten stuck from carbon due to lots of firing, leaves, twigs, or sand?
• (you can't actually see it from this view) And the raised, "boxed in" magazine ejector button on the other side of the weapon that helps you eject your magazine by feel?

I mean, just the finish makes it "look" better, but pretty is as pretty does in MY book baby!

@ganon15:

I'm not sure if I was too subtle about this, but I REAAALLLYYY like the M4. :)

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Belt-fed "Valkyrie" CAR-15 = WINNER!

:)

M4 stomps.

M4 would win but shame about the ugly ass stock. CAR looks more compact tbh

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the Car-15 doesn't look as well maintained, but that might be due to its age if its original.

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@sergeant-rl3: Here's a better pic of the CAR

@heroup2112: Some had forward assists^ (XM177E2)

@ganon15:

Ah, yeah. I hadn't considered that the XM series were still basically considered in the CAR series. Yeah the XM's had comparable barrel length too, but still didn't have improved M16A2 type barrels (since those were just in the development stages anyway) with the 1 to 7 twist.

I still have my nice list of all the other ways the M4 kicks the CAR's butt though, so ppppttttthhhh :)

Seriously though, that's why they make new model's of things, is to (theoretically anyway) to improve on previous designs. I'm under no illusions that there are better carbines now than the M4, I just have a major personal bias. :)

No, I don't know why but that's how (most versions of) the CAR 15s and M16A1's (Vietnam Era) looked out of the box for some reason. I don't know this for SURE, but I'm pretty sure the "bluing" process (the finish that protects the weapon from rust and such) was different back then.

I like them both

@heroup2112: About the forward assist, is it allowed to use in the US army? In the IDF it isn't. When the gun is jammed and a round isn't put to place properly, forcing it into place and pulling the trigger could result in something that we call (in rough translation) "barrel burst", I don't know the term for it in English but I'm sure you know what I mean.

That being said, the M4 is my favorite rifle too :)

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Odd, I've never heard of that happening outside of once when it happened with a friend's pistol that was a result of a faulty round. I've honestly never heard of a term for it. I've used the forward assist a few times (though almost exclusively in the desert) with magazine feed problems where the round failed to seat fully (almost always due to lubricant becoming a tiny bit viscous from...I assume... the environment, because I cleaned my freakin' weapon four or five times a day lol).

Like here:

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lol That dude was just an idiot. That wasn't failure to seat...he clearly seated it and the pin struck the primer several times. The round was either had a bad primer (which they mentioned), there was a defect in the round (they ejected and put in a new round so that wasn't the issue), or there was a chamber or barrel blockage/defect of some sort). Firing the weapon after the first misfire was IDIOTIC and also not what the forward assist is for.

You only use the forward assist if (for some unusual reason...like with the few times I mentioned, and i recleaned my weapon as soon as possible after the fact) the bolt does not move all the way forward to seat the round into the chamber.

On an Army range, if you get a misfire you're actually supposed to lay the weapon down and call over a Range Safety Officer to clear and inspect the weapon. When someone is shooting at you things get a little less strict and I'll risk the possibility or a "barrel burst" though I still would worry about it if I misfired more than once.

@heroup2112:

On an Army range, if you get a misfire you're actually supposed to lay the weapon down and call over a Range Safety Officer to clear and inspect the weapon. When someone is shooting at you things get a little less strict and I'll risk the possibility or a "barrel burst" though I still would worry about it if I misfired more than once.

Yeah I know. In the IDF, if you get a misfire at a shooting range you take out the mag, cock the weapon twice to try and clear anything that might have gotten stuck in it, and try again. If that doesn't work then you lay it down and get an officer, or better yet a certified weaponer. In a battlefield if your rifle misfires the procedure is the same (clip out, cock twice). If that doesn't work you have to improvise, and yeah I guess the forward assist could be helpful but only if you're certain there's nothing in the chamber that can risk a "barrel burst".

I'm partial to the M-4 myself. Spent a lot of time with one.

M4 looks way better.

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The M4.

What about a Jericho 941 vs anything?

M4 is a better designed gun, obviously, its far newer and learned from feedback from its predecessors, however, I like the more metallic look of the CAR-15. That M4 picture has too much of a 'plastic' feel for me.

M4 is like the best ever.

Modern day.

M4.

i guess i'm a weirdo i like the top one better (but i know nothing of guns so maybe that's why)