whats a tougher sport

football or rugby? I was wacthing this video and everybody was arguing about which is tougher

I think Rugby by a long shot... It's brutal... I've played both and so that's just my opinion.

i played both in highschool and have to say rugby. i mean i still play foot ball, but i remember one of my friends got part of his ear ripped off beacuse someone stepped on it with a cleet. that was so bloody.

Boken says:

"i played both in highschool and have to say rugby. i mean i still play foot ball, but i remember one of my friends got part of his ear ripped off beacuse someone stepped on it with a cleet. that was so bloody."

ehh, that's pretty bad... My classes was pretty lucky, no one lost bits of body parts... a few got broken noses, a couple had bad concussions and one poor kid somehow lost 3 of his front teeth.

Boken says:

"i had a concussion once, had to not play in a game fro two weeks"

Worst I've had was getting my toenail torn off. That was a lot more blood than there should have been...

i had a concussion once, had to not play in a game fro two weeks

ah $*!^ i got my toenail torn off before when i was at the beach on my surbored. i remember walkin out and my cousin carmen said i was bleeding. then i broke my leg in three places the year before my concusion. i also broke my ankle, a few time.

Boken says:

"ah $*!^ i got my toenail torn off before when i was at the beach on my surbored. i remember walkin out and my cousin carmen said i was bleeding. then i broke my leg in three places the year before my concusion. i also broke my ankle, a few time. "

Accident prone ehh?

The worst accident I've had was when I got hit by a car walking home from school. I walked away from it alright but it really threw my hip out for a long time afterwards.

rugby easy... (i play rugby but thats not my reason for saying it) american football has all that padding and rugby has more or less nothing to protect us. my university also has an american football team, maybe i'll go along and see what its like first hand. my brother dislocated his shulder playing rugby. rugby is prob the second biggest sport in the UK after football so i guess we like our tough sports.

Rugby all the way

Boken says:

"orcid i haven't even gone half way down the list of injuries. i once got into a hokey fight and lucky me i didn't wear a cud and when the dude swung his stick up i pissed blood the night after."

ooooooo. that must of hurt... lol

orcid i haven't even gone half way down the list of injuries. i once got into a hokey fight and lucky me i didn't wear a cud and when the dude swung his stick up i pissed blood the night after.

I'd go with football. You'd think Rugby because you dont wear pads but I've played both and I know there was a lot harder hitting going on in football. It's something about wearing the pads that really allows you to hit with reckless abandon. Without the pads you think youre hitting hard but I think that instinctively you keep yourself from going all out. But when you have those pads on... I've never hit as hard or been hit as hard as when I was playing football.

Reject says:

"I'd go with football. You'd think Rugby because you dont wear pads but I've played both and I know there was a lot harder hitting going on in football. It's something about wearing the pads that really allows you to hit with reckless abandon. Without the pads you think youre hitting hard but I think that instinctively you keep yourself from going all out. But when you have those pads on... I've never hit as hard or been hit as hard as when I was playing football."

what position do you play

There is little to zero comparison between these two sports, ..AMERICAN FOOTBALL...is EONS tougher of the two, its really not even close.

Now before the haterade drinkers chime in, lets get a few facts straight first. I was a division 1 college football player, I also played 'club' Rugby in college for 3 years (VERY competitive league)

Lets simply move beyond us laymans, and get into professional leagues. American football is played at a speed, and force 5 times that of Pro Rugby leagues, it is FULL FORCE and FULL SPEED from the snap of the ball...Rugby is not, has many lulls in action, and 'jogging' moments during play. Although Rugby IS a "mans game" it is not even in the same universe in terms of mathematical physics, when determining for example...the vectors approached between the two sports, American Football is FAR more dangerous.

The weight training DEMANDED in AF is 10 times that of Rugby, so strength of athletes is VERY different, and the speed of the athletes is not close. Also, this mantra you hear often from Europions of "Rugby doesn't wear pads to protect themselves" is so comical, i STILL laugh when i read it, or hear it. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, retard...IF rugby were played at the speed, and coordinated skill, of AF...people would DIE!!!!!! No, seriously, DIE!!!!!

Guys get crippled, broken bones, ripped up cartilage, in AF ect...ect...when has ANYONE ever heard of such injuries in...rugby???? when? where? has a Ruby player been crippled? that's about all the evidence one needs to determine which sport is rougher...look, I love rugby, watch it whenever i can...but comparing it to AF in terms of violence? is a complete joke!!!!
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Boken says:

"orcid i haven't even gone half way down the list of injuries. i once got into a hokey fight and lucky me i didn't wear a cud and when the dude swung his stick up i pissed blood the night after."

Jeez, that must've hurt...

I've been really lucky with sports, never broken anything, and have had anything happen that needed nore than a few physio visits... but I've caused injury to other by accident... hit a friend in the throat on a ricochet in racquetball, gave a girl a concussion horseback riding (don't ask..), the same friend that got the concussion broke her leg in 3 places when we were jumping off hay bails (she landed on a pitch fork...), and I broke a kids nose in track... but he had that coming... I dunno... I guess I'm more dangerous to the people around me than to myself.

well that stinks to be your friends, i'll tell you more stories tommorow. i need to hit the sheets now

Alright, later dude.

Football. (American)

I'd say football,ive been in loads of sh--t because i'm one of the smaller guys.
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the vid at the top is not rugby its rugby league and its more brutal than both traditional rugby and american football... "football" is what americans call soccer... its called "foot" ball for a reason.

i dont know where you all play but it ain't in Aussie or New Zealand

Hell we used to hit like that on the playground. That shows me nothing.

King of Kings says:

"Hell we used to hit like that on the playground. That shows me nothing."

glad i didn't go to your school :P

I only picked up one injury playing rugby, that was because it was muddy and my foot slipped forward as I was running and I performed the splits like a pro gymnast. That hurt like buggary as my boys wacked the ground. My sympathetic Aryan Ubermensh gym teacher had me walk it off for a few minutes before getting back in the game.

Mr. U, I tried watching American football and I don't know how you think it's faster than rugby. While I agree, play can slow down, in American football play seems to actually stop every five minutes and everyone lines up again. The game lasts an hour, but takes more like three to actually play.

He means the speed of the players. There bigger and faster. You have guys that are 280 that run a 4:3 forty, thats $#@!ing hauling ass.

Well, I suppose if everyone gets to rest every five minutes they can sprint more. In terms of player speed, I wouldn't think there's much difference, except that with less equipment to carry (no idea how much that padding weighs) the rugby player should be faster. Then again, I don't watch either that often so I've not exactly compared them.

No way, no way a rugby player is as fast as an NFL player.

King of Kings says:

"No way, no way a rugby player is as fast as an NFL player."

i agree, i mean Rugby is a lot faster of a game and they have to run a lot more in a little amount of time, they gotta go slower, unless, they're the Flash or something
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Well, I've never really played Rugby, but I see guys get hurt in Football all the time. Like that guy from the Broncos? The one that they thought would never walk again, correct me if I have the wrong team.

And speaking of all these injuries, I'm starting to worry about my right knee. I've hurt it the last few days of practice, and it still feels a little funny.

Octagon Freak says:

"Well, I've never really played Rugby, but I see guys get hurt in Football all the time. Like that guy from the Broncos? The one that they thought would never walk again, correct me if I have the wrong team.And speaking of all these injuries, I'm starting to worry about my right knee. I've hurt it the last few days of practice, and it still feels a little funny."

you wrestle don't you? I do too and my knee hurts like crap

Octagon Freak says:

"Well, I've never really played Rugby, but I see guys get hurt in Football all the time. Like that guy from the Broncos? The one that they thought would never walk again, correct me if I have the wrong team.And speaking of all these injuries, I'm starting to worry about my right knee. I've hurt it the last few days of practice, and it still feels a little funny."

It was the Buffalo Bills.

But Rugby fans are always saying, "Look at all the pads they were." Well look at that player from the Bills, that helmet an pads probably saved his life. The players are bigger, faster, and stronger, if they weren't wearing pads there'd be a fatality every Sunday.

chameleone says:

"Octagon Freak says:

"Well, I've never really played Rugby, but I see guys get hurt in Football all the time. Like that guy from the Broncos? The one that they thought would never walk again, correct me if I have the wrong team. And speaking of all these injuries, I'm starting to worry about my right knee. I've hurt it the last few days of practice, and it still feels a little funny."

you wrestle don't you? I do too and my knee hurts like crap"

Well, yesterday I wrestled with the heavyweight, and he tossed me over after a failed cradle, and I landed right on my knee. It stung for awhile, I may have pinched a nerve.

King of Kings says:

"Octagon Freak says:

"Well, I've never really played Rugby, but I see guys get hurt in Football all the time. Like that guy from the Broncos? The one that they thought would never walk again, correct me if I have the wrong team. And speaking of all these injuries, I'm starting to worry about my right knee. I've hurt it the last few days of practice, and it still feels a little funny."

It was the Buffalo Bills. But Rugby fans are always saying, "Look at all the pads they were." Well look at that player from the Bills, that helmet an pads probably saved his life. The players are bigger, faster, and stronger, if they weren't wearing pads there'd be a fatality every Sunday."

Thanks dude, my bad, but you have a point. I don't want any more of my Colts being hurt. Morris is out again for the season, and I have no idea what's going to happen to Harrison.

Are they genetically engineering Football players? No. Then they aren't going to be significantly stronger or faster at the top levels of their sport than a Rugby player at the top level of theirs. I've no idea what a 4:3 forty is, but Jonah Lomu (the only rugby player I can find a speed stat on) could do the 100m on 10.89seconds (the world record being 9.74) and he was 262 pounds.

As for injuries, it's not really a measure. Proper football players have injuries and they don't have nearly as much contact. All athletes and sportspeople pick up injuries because they're pushing themselves to their limits.

Ultimately they're both tough sports (but not as tough as the Ultimate Ninja Deathball I play). I'm only interested in the rugby because we (England) are actually good at it.

The forty is a forty yard dash. I don't know how many meters are in a yard (I think its 1.0 meters equal 1.094 yards) but I'm not sure and I'm not doing the math. But 10.89 secs is a lifetime away from 9.74, so I'm not sure what your point is there. The average height an weight of a typical offensive lineman in the NFL is 6'3 290-300 plus pounds, though there are many who tip the scale at 340 plus. Look at the pictures of a rugby player an an NFL player, you can clearly see the size differential. There aint a Rugby player alive or dead who could match the speed of an NFL Running back, Wide Receiver, Cornerback, or Safty.

Yeah, very true what KOK wrote. Every tenth of a second equate to a full body length lead in a foot race, so a 10.89 to a 9.74 is honestly...like a high school tracklete, running against a Professional...its that great a difference.

I mean, shoot, I personally ran a 10.75 at my height of althetic prowess...so even annoying ol' ME...was faster than poor Jonah the Rugby pro...which is good perspective for this debate.

Again, study VECTORS in physics, it will make this debate end, quickly!

Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Are they genetically engineering Football players? No. Then they aren't going to be significantly stronger or faster at the top levels of their sport than a Rugby player at the top level of theirs. I've no idea what a 4:3 forty is, but Jonah Lomu (the only rugby player I can find a speed stat on) could do the 100m on 10.89seconds (the world record being 9.74) and he was 262 pounds.As for injuries, it's not really a measure. Proper football players have injuries and they don't have nearly as much contact. All athletes and sportspeople pick up injuries because they're pushing themselves to their limits.Ultimately they're both tough sports (but not as tough as the Ultimate Ninja Deathball I play). I'm only interested in the rugby because we (England) are actually good at it."

Not to disagree with you, Football is tougher, but he did say world record, not NFL record for the run time. If anyone can poost a stat for a safety or running back or any of them, then it I can under stand, but you're arguing how slow they are against a Track and field runner, I think that was the sport that had the title.

I did post speeds for the NFL, but there all in Forty Yard time. If you wanna do the math and convert the 100m to the forty, be my guest.

King of Kings says:

"I did post speeds for the NFL, but there all in Forty Yard time. If you wanna do the math and convert the 100m to the forty, be my guest."

Is 4:3 four and a half secs or 4 seconds and 3 one hundredths?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_yard_dash

this ones better

http://www.procombinetraining.com/index.php

So what are you saying? You think Rugby players are as fast as NFL skill position players? Are you high?

Okay going off that page the 40 is 36.576 meters, so they are running about 1/3 the distance in 4.3 secs. so if you multiply by 3 4.3 becomes 12.9 seconds. This also leaves out fatigue, and human response.

King of Kings says:

"So what are you saying? You think Rugby players are as fast as NFL skill position players? Are you high?"

Based on the sites you gave me and the info they had, Rugby players cover about three times the distance in roughly 2 less second. I was just using the info you gave me and the conversion that the sites had.

Zaraki Ichigo says:

"King of Kings says:

"So what are you saying? You think Rugby players are as fast as NFL skill position players? Are you high?"

Based on the sites you gave me and the info they had, Rugby players cover about three times the distance in roughly 2 less second. I was just using the info you gave me and the conversion that the sites had."

First it was one rugby player and were he got that information is in question. Second, High School kids are running the 100m in 10 something seconds, so either the Rugby stat is off, or your calculations are.

King of Kings says:

"Zaraki Ichigo says:

"King of Kings says:

"So what are you saying? You think Rugby players are as fast as NFL skill position players? Are you high?"

Based on the sites you gave me and the info they had, Rugby players cover about three times the distance in roughly 2 less second. I was just using the info you gave me and the conversion that the sites had."

First it was one rugby player and were he got that information is in question. Second, High School kids are running the 100m in 10 something seconds, so either the Rugby stat is off, or your calculations are."

40 yareds = 36.576 meters.

36.576 meters X 3 = 99.728

40 yards in 4.3

4.3 X 3= 12.9

That's my math, if I did something wrong tell me. Also, his source may be wrong, but if it isn't he is going by the fastest ever. If you know what the fastest 120 is that might make it better.

It means there is a difference of about a second between olympic sprinters and a rugby player (which isn't actually that much). If that's 4.3 seconds to do a 40 yard dash, then it's about the same speed over a shorter distance. I quickly worked them out in miles per hour: 20.54 mph for Jonah, 19.03 mph for the unnamed footballer and 22.97 mph for the record holder Asafa Powell. That hopefully gives you an idea that these guys are all pretty fast. All in all, as a group the rugby players and the footballers are going to more or less even out.

Like I said before, they aren't manufacturing footballers in a lab so they aren't going to be Captain Americas running around a field.

(BTW, if my maths is wrong I'm blaming the online converter I used)

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Cosmic Sentinel says:

"It means there is a difference of about a second between olympic sprinters and a rugby player (which isn't actually that much). If that's 4.3 seconds to do a 40 yard dash, then it's about the same speed over a shorter distance. I quickly worked them out in miles per hour: 20.54 mph for Jonah, 19.03 mph for the unnamed footballer and 22.97 mph for the record holder Asafa Powell. That hopefully gives you an idea that these guys are all pretty fast. All in all, as a group the rugby players and the footballers are going to more or less even out.Like I said before, they aren't manufacturing footballers in a lab so they aren't going to be Captain Americas running around a field.(BTW, if my maths is wrong I'm blaming the online converter I used)"

That works for me. But like I said, they kinda Captain America, cause there all taking HGH (human growth hormone) there's no way to test for it and several former players have publicly stated it is ramped in the NFL.

Uggggggggggggg...

It's NOT the comparable SPEED that is even that important here, its the mathematical breakdown of VECTORS...PHYSICS...net force=mass x acceleration. Its about the INERTIA that results in the constant collisions in American Football vs. Rugby, that makes it a far more violent game.

You're getting caught up in th speed of individual atheletes...that's superfluous ultimately for this debate.