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#1 Posted by jonjac1002 (6 posts) - - Show Bio
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Ok, I'm just going to all out pretend that the greatest superhero movie of all time is NOT being largely ignored on this site. (Haters and Trolls don't waste your time I don't read the comment section). Why is that....I don't care. You can call the sun, the moon all you want, it's not changing the fact that it's the Sun. You can pretend Black Panther isn't a global phenomenon. Anyway the real question is "WHAT ARE THOSE?!!!!!" Just kidding. The real questions are why, and more importantly, how do you follow that up?

WHY

Simply put: Fatigue. first let's clear the elephant in the room. Aside from original thought, Hollywood is deathly afraid of anything that doesn't fall into the young,slender, handsome,virile, white male category. Won't spend time defending this statement, because I don't argue about things I know to be true. Hollywood has to be forced at gunpoint to put any kind of diversity on the screen that is not targeted to a specific demographic. And it's not about black people. Aside from Karate pictures how many asian male leads to you see in big budget offerings? And any latino with a complexion darker than Jenifer Lopez's apparently doesn't exist as far as casting leading men or ladies. Indigenous North Americans, Polynesians...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....oh sorry.Frankly we (white people included) are tired of this script: World in peril. White guy steps in after everyone else fails, takes over, kicks butt, and gets the girl/s. Of course their reasoning is...anything else is box office poison. Well Black Panther has burst that bubble. Spoiler alert Hollywood...You can make a movie where white people are the minority and blow up the box office. Actually the term minority is a misnomer, other ethnic groups are a minority only in homogenized societies, not globally. Anyway planet earth is over The Tarzan model of movie making. The only reason stats don't show this is because we are not offered anything else to watch. I't's like... On the menu french fries, tater tots, scalloped potatoes, mashed potatoes, and baked potatoes. Statistically potatoes are a hit! Relax Hollywood... love and adoration isn't pie, there's enough for everybody to get some. It doesn't mean we don't love you, we just need to see other people.

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Black panther 2 has already been green lighted (that didn't take long), so how do you follow up the greatest superhero movie of all time? You don't. To surpass what BP has done would take a miracle, and last I looked Ryan Coogler was still director not Jesus. My advice make a basic super hero movie. Low on plot, heavy on characters and action. Invest in fight choreography (who did the Matrix trilogy, hire him.) Wakanda is great, but make us miss it. To me the best scene was the Casino/city fight in South Korea. Don't over saturate the movie with villains, this never works. It killed the first Batman franchise, and the last Toby Maguire Spider Man movie (along with a plethora of other things). You could bring back Klaw. In the comics he's actually composed of pure sound, a side affect of messing with Wakandan tech. He could've had vibranium implants other than his hand cannon that would enable him to survive after a bullet or two. And his cronies can fish him out of whatever ravine the wakandans tossed him into ( normally how they bury hated criminals). Some people have suggested Kraven the hunter, even though he's Spidey's antagonist. That would fit into a nice European colonizer narrative about "Great White hunters" and the exploitation of African if you want to ruin a movie with more social commentary(I think BP 1 cover enough ground for now). More importantly what is DC going to do, the most reactionary studio there is. Hopefully nothing. just lick your wounds and settle for being little brother on the block for now. Patience, Marvel will botch this up at some point(see X-Men/Wolverine franchises). If you can't help yourself DC then let me offer some help. First press the history eraser button, and pretend that Steel and Green Lantern didn't happen. John Henry Irons is the best Black Super Man out there. And that hasn't been done yet. Val Zod is a wimp, and Blue marvel doesn't belong to you. Icon is a also a good possibility, he was a creation of O.J. Mcduffie, arguably the greatest black comic writer ever, and is out of the box enough to be a sleeper hit. Static Shock is way more popular but would seem redundant with the Black Lightning TV show out there. Hardware, another O.J. McDuffie creation, could also fly here. He's a mix of Bat Man, Iron Man and The Punisher. of course the character doesn't have to be black at all. Casandra Cain,Green Lantern Kyle Rayner, Arak Son of Thunder and Strong Bow(just to go waaaayayyyyyy outside the box). Whatever anyone decides to do, remember this: Just make a good movie. It won't matter what color the character's are.

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#2 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (16821 posts) - - Show Bio

It was okay. Prefer'd PR2

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#3 Edited by Insertnewname (1551 posts) - - Show Bio

Best superhero film? Hell no, Christian Bale batman or watchmen are examples what is better. And the only difference from the standard scheme is that everyone is black, the movie plot doesn't try anything new. It was a very good superhero movie, but only a better than average movie if you compare it to all other categories

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#4 Posted by decaf_wizard (14853 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

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#5 Posted by removekebab (3635 posts) - - Show Bio

Wew lad.

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#6 Edited by Wut (6464 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a solid movie. Winter Soldier is still the best marvel movie.

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Whatever anyone decides to do, remember this: Just make a good movie. It won't matter what color the character's are.

Spent the entire post rambling about how there isn't enough racial diversity in Hollywood.

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#7 Posted by juiceboks (23632 posts) - - Show Bio

Namor would be a perfect villain. Atlantis vs Wakanda allows for the outstanding visuals and varied use of the original cast the movie was lauded for.

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#8 Edited by Champion99 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

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#10 Posted by Beyonder97 (875 posts) - - Show Bio

Generalbeastgod never fail to amaze us

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#11 Edited by MarvelandDCfan24 (5088 posts) - - Show Bio

Black panther was good but, best CBM ever? Not even close TDK, Cap TWS are far better movies I'm also inclined to say Logan and Days of of Future past also are better movies I also enjoyed Thor Ragnarok more and Avengers

The movie had some plot issues and some really bad CGI the villain out did the main character

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#12 Posted by Luellas (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

I could live without another black panther movie for another 30-40 years.

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#13 Posted by Galactic_1000 (5023 posts) - - Show Bio

It was good not best 6.5/10

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#14 Posted by decaf_wizard (14853 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

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#15 Edited by MonsterStomp (36261 posts) - - Show Bio

Spare me guy with 5 posts. Your opinion is worth 5 cents.

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@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

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#18 Posted by silkyballfro94 (8565 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably another alt

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#19 Posted by MoTM (1647 posts) - - Show Bio

Again. Black Panther was average to bad in parts and one of the least enjoyable cbm I can recall. Also highly forgettable.

5/10.

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#20 Posted by decaf_wizard (14853 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

Its objective fact. Just off the top of my head, and just the more glaring ones

  • Its not consistant with the MCU. At the end of Civil War, BP comes back with Steven and Bucky to Wakanda to give them safe haven, then in Black Panther, we see T'Challa return to Wakanda alone, and is immediately does the whole Klaue and Killmonger thing. In fact Steve and Bucky would have been there the entire time, but their presence was simply ignored.
  • Killmonger was portrayed as smart but his plan was pathetically stupid and he comes off as a crazed madman who just wants revenge. His dealings would have put Wakanda on the world's watchlist as the primary source of terrorism in the world, and unarguably would've gotten the Avengers sicked on Wakanda.
  • Why would M'Baku continue to support T'Challa once they realize he plans to open Wakanda up completely to the rest of the world? He was virulently against that in the start of the movie and had no character development that made him change that opinion.
  • Ross is shown to be highly skeptical when Klaue tells him about T'Challa's BP suit.......which he has already seen in Civil War.......I actually wonder if the director even WATCHED Civil War
  • There is an extreme disconnect between the characterization of Civil War T'Challa and Black Panther T'Challa. Just look at Killmonger death and Zemo capture scenes and wonder how its even the same character
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#21 Posted by Warlockmage (7053 posts) - - Show Bio

kek its not even in the top 10 Superhero movies... it has glaring plot holes with serious CGI issues. it was decent but no better than WW.

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#22 Posted by Lvenger (35298 posts) - - Show Bio
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

Its objective fact. Just off the top of my head, and just the more glaring ones

  • Its not consistant with the MCU. At the end of Civil War, BP comes back with Steven and Bucky to Wakanda to give them safe haven, then in Black Panther, we see T'Challa return to Wakanda alone, and is immediately does the whole Klaue and Killmonger thing. In fact Steve and Bucky would have been there the entire time, but their presence was simply ignored.
  • Killmonger was portrayed as smart but his plan was pathetically stupid and he comes off as a crazed madman who just wants revenge. His dealings would have put Wakanda on the world's watchlist as the primary source of terrorism in the world, and unarguably would've gotten the Avengers sicked on Wakanda.
  • Why would M'Baku continue to support T'Challa once they realize he plans to open Wakanda up completely to the rest of the world? He was virulently against that in the start of the movie and had no character development that made him change that opinion.
  • Ross is shown to be highly skeptical when Klaue tells him about T'Challa's BP suit.......which he has already seen in Civil War.......I actually wonder if the director even WATCHED Civil War
  • There is an extreme disconnect between the characterization of Civil War T'Challa and Black Panther T'Challa. Just look at Killmonger death and Zemo capture scenes and wonder how its even the same character

Damn those are some good points I didn't think about. Black Panther has dropped from my top 5 MCU movies since I watched it but you picked up on some glaring inconsistencies.

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#23 Posted by juiceboks (23632 posts) - - Show Bio

@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

Its objective fact. Just off the top of my head, and just the more glaring ones

  • Its not consistant with the MCU. At the end of Civil War, BP comes back with Steven and Bucky to Wakanda to give them safe haven, then in Black Panther, we see T'Challa return to Wakanda alone, and is immediately does the whole Klaue and Killmonger thing. In fact Steve and Bucky would have been there the entire time, but their presence was simply ignored.
  • Killmonger was portrayed as smart but his plan was pathetically stupid and he comes off as a crazed madman who just wants revenge. His dealings would have put Wakanda on the world's watchlist as the primary source of terrorism in the world, and unarguably would've gotten the Avengers sicked on Wakanda.
  • Why would M'Baku continue to support T'Challa once they realize he plans to open Wakanda up completely to the rest of the world? He was virulently against that in the start of the movie and had no character development that made him change that opinion.
  • Ross is shown to be highly skeptical when Klaue tells him about T'Challa's BP suit.......which he has already seen in Civil War.......I actually wonder if the director even WATCHED Civil War
  • There is an extreme disconnect between the characterization of Civil War T'Challa and Black Panther T'Challa. Just look at Killmonger death and Zemo capture scenes and wonder how its even the same character

You really don't think it's plausible that Steve just left in between one of T'Challa's missions? Perhaps one we didn't see if we're not assuming that the only thing he did from the end of Civil War to the beginning of the movie was that one trip to the outskirts to free those girls (which was exactly a week if you paid close attention). More information on that will likely be revealed in IW, but it's not an inconsistency just because they didn't spoonfeed us information irrelevant to the plot of the movie.

That..was the point of his character. Despite all of his training and education, he constantly let his anger and contempt for Wakanda and it's people lead him to making unwise and downright cruel decisions, including almost killing the person responsible for all of the major technological advancements in Wakanda. That served as a symbolic narrative for Black people that try to fight for "liberation" out of hatred and arrogance (I'm sure you can think of some examples) and T'Challa was supposed to be the counterpart to that seeing as how he actually humbled himself through various means and learned through personal events of better ways to go about helping people.

He was actually against Wakanda abandoning all of their traditional values in favor of technological advancements. He had also clearly shown contempt for the Black Panthers of the past as he made mention that T'Challa was the first one to visit the Jabari tribe in many years. I don't recall him showing support for T'Challa opening the borders to the outside world, but I do recall him showing respect for the king for what he did for him and his people.

He was skeptical that T'Challa's suit was made in and came from Wakanda. With all the alien tech and technological geniuses in the world, he probably just assumed he had someone make it for him from some other country or acquired it through illegal means. Why would he assume something of Wakanda that goes against all intel he has on the country?

You're going to have to expound on this last point. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

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#24 Posted by DirtyTree333 (4092 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

This, although I'd say IM3 was better.

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#25 Posted by _KingofLatveria (15257 posts) - - Show Bio

It was an 8/10, calm down lol

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#26 Posted by MonsterStomp (36261 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: Idk about you but 5 cents is worthless to me.

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#27 Edited by Dernman (25203 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: I don't know where you're from but 5 cents is worth exactly five cents where I'm from.

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#28 Posted by IceDemonKing (9807 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I liked it.

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@dernman: 5 cents would get you a ghost drop. A lolly as sour as this thread.

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#30 Posted by McFlicky (385 posts) - - Show Bio

I was okay. Wasn't any different from most other marvel movies. It just took place in wakanda instead of new york or space. And T'challa was super boring. The rest of the cast was way more interesting than he was.

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#31 Posted by jashugan (4183 posts) - - Show Bio
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

I can second that, he truly does have horrible taste.

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#32 Posted by SeaGod (3885 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly I'm pretty sure Black Panther only did as well as it did cause it was a minority movie. Reviewers didn't want to give it a bad rating so it got praised as something great. Granted I haven't seen it yet but it's similar to Wonder Woman. People praised it over and over again however honestly the movie wasn't that good.

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#33 Posted by Static Shock (52942 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod said:

Honestly I'm pretty sure Black Panther only did as well as it did cause it was a minority movie. Reviewers didn't want to give it a bad rating so it got praised as something great. Granted I haven't seen it yet but it's similar to Wonder Woman. People praised it over and over again however honestly the movie wasn't that good.


You haven't seen the movie, but you have an opinion on it? Similar to Wonder Woman, how? Smh.

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#34 Edited by decaf_wizard (14853 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks:

You really don't think it's plausible that Steve just left in between one of T'Challa's missions? Perhaps one we didn't see if we're not assuming that the only thing he did from the end of Civil War to the beginning of the movie was that one trip to the outskirts to free those girls (which was exactly a week if you paid close attention). More information on that will likely be revealed in IW, but it's not an inconsistency just because they didn't spoonfeed us information irrelevant to the plot of the movie.

No, it blatantly contradicted canon. In Civil War, T'Challa took Bucky and Steve back to Wakanda with him when he went. This was explicitly absent in Black Panther, even though we know the opening parts happened relatively closely after civil war, most likely within a few days, and him coming back was the first time. It wasn't even explained.

That..was the point of his character. Despite all of his training and education, he constantly let his anger and contempt for Wakanda and it's people lead him to making unwise and downright cruel decisions, including almost killing the person responsible for all of the major technological advancements in Wakanda. That served as a symbolic narrative for Black people that try to fight for "liberation" out of hatred and arrogance (I'm sure you can think of some examples) and T'Challa was supposed to be the counterpart to that seeing as how he actually humbled himself through various means and learned through personal events of better ways to go about helping people.

What he represents is fine and all, but he doesn't actually have character depth beyond being essentially black Inigo Montoya. I understand the point of his character but for that concept to actually works he has to have a.......well competent plan in the first place. If he had a good plan and let his rage and spite consume him it would've been far more convincing than somebody who comes off as filled with nothing but rage and spite that just wants to watch the world burn.

He was skeptical that T'Challa's suit was made in and came from Wakanda. With all the alien tech and technological geniuses in the world, he probably just assumed he had someone make it for him from some other country or acquired it through illegal means. Why would he assume something of Wakanda that goes against all intel he has on the country?

Yea, I am gonna have to call BS on this one. He knew what he was buying from Klaw, Vibranium is a known material, and Shield intelligence files (which are public knowledge) would've revealed that Wakanda was an advanced nation, seeing as Shield was keeping tabs on them in Iron Man 2 last I checked.

Combine that with the fact that he literally said. AND I QUOTE "You're telling me the king of a third world country runs around in a bulletproof cat suit?"

WHICH HE KNEW HE DID IN CIVIL WAR.

How in the world do you write that line having watched Civil War?

You're going to have to expound on this last point. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

I am saying that the character of Black Panther in Civil War and Black Panther are very different. Just look at the Zemo and Killmonger death scenes respectively to see this.

And this is not to bring up the complete litany of small inconsistencies and stuff that just doesn't make sense

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#35 Posted by SeaGod (3885 posts) - - Show Bio

@static_shock: what I mean I just feel like it got the reviews it got cause of it being a minority movie. I'm not saying it is that. I know I can't be positive till I see it I'm just saying I've seen similar things happen like in Wonder Woman. I'm just sceptical about it being the greatest movie ever like some people claim.

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#36 Posted by decaf_wizard (14853 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashugan said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

I can second that, he truly does have horrible taste.

You want a slap?

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#38 Posted by Dernman (25203 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: 5 cents would get you a ghost drop. A lolly as sour as this thread.

Five cents will get you a nickel or five pennies.

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#40 Posted by Tomkatie (2333 posts) - - Show Bio

You are aware you’re turning Black Panther, an actually super enjoyable movie, into an annoying meme?

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#41 Posted by Mike_Fowler (4551 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard:

The opening scene of Black Panther happens about a week after civil war, and thus a week after the post credit scene. Steve left Wakanda during that time to free Team Cap (look at the bruises he has from the iron man fight to how they’ve cleared up in the scene where he frees Team Cap in the raft). Week later, T’Challa goes to rescue Nakia to Bring her back for the coronation. IIRC, it ain’t said that’s the first time he’s been back to wakanda in that opening scene either

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#42 Edited by TJD2814 (451 posts) - - Show Bio

It was good but it wasnt great-killmonger was a poor choice of villain but Michael B Jordan was great in the role

They could have went similar to the route they did and have white wolf instead

Honestly M’Baku was the nicest touch of it all IMO

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#43 Edited by Super_ninja (3212 posts) - - Show Bio

It was a great movie, but i don't know see how a sequel can top it.

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#44 Posted by Champion99 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:

@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

Its objective fact. Just off the top of my head, and just the more glaring ones

  • Its not consistant with the MCU. At the end of Civil War, BP comes back with Steven and Bucky to Wakanda to give them safe haven, then in Black Panther, we see T'Challa return to Wakanda alone, and is immediately does the whole Klaue and Killmonger thing. In fact Steve and Bucky would have been there the entire time, but their presence was simply ignored.
  • Killmonger was portrayed as smart but his plan was pathetically stupid and he comes off as a crazed madman who just wants revenge. His dealings would have put Wakanda on the world's watchlist as the primary source of terrorism in the world, and unarguably would've gotten the Avengers sicked on Wakanda.
  • Why would M'Baku continue to support T'Challa once they realize he plans to open Wakanda up completely to the rest of the world? He was virulently against that in the start of the movie and had no character development that made him change that opinion.
  • Ross is shown to be highly skeptical when Klaue tells him about T'Challa's BP suit.......which he has already seen in Civil War.......I actually wonder if the director even WATCHED Civil War
  • There is an extreme disconnect between the characterization of Civil War T'Challa and Black Panther T'Challa. Just look at Killmonger death and Zemo capture scenes and wonder how its even the same character

The only objective opinion is that Black Panther is a great movie because it's Box office money, reviews, and majority of fans say so.

  • They made a reference to him being there during the movie so they didn't ignore it. Who told you that was T'Challa's first time being back since Civil War? Because it wasn't the movie. In the opening scene the reporter states it was a week ago.
  • Are you kidding me? He was a crazed madman that was literally the point. He was literally talking about going to war with the world and taking over. Did you think he cared about the Avengers? No, he thought Wakanda had the technology to rule the world.
  • I don't ever recall M'Baku giving support to opening the boarders. He help T'Challa in the final fight because an enemy sat on the thrown. Even if he learned about it later he had already lost in ritual combat so he can't do anything about it.
  • Ross already stated that Black Panther has a "bulletproof cat suit". He was skeptical about Wakanda being a technologically advanced country and having mountains of Vibranium.
  • This one doesn't even make sense.
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#45 Posted by Champion99 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

Its objective fact. Just off the top of my head, and just the more glaring ones

  • Its not consistant with the MCU. At the end of Civil War, BP comes back with Steven and Bucky to Wakanda to give them safe haven, then in Black Panther, we see T'Challa return to Wakanda alone, and is immediately does the whole Klaue and Killmonger thing. In fact Steve and Bucky would have been there the entire time, but their presence was simply ignored.
  • Killmonger was portrayed as smart but his plan was pathetically stupid and he comes off as a crazed madman who just wants revenge. His dealings would have put Wakanda on the world's watchlist as the primary source of terrorism in the world, and unarguably would've gotten the Avengers sicked on Wakanda.
  • Why would M'Baku continue to support T'Challa once they realize he plans to open Wakanda up completely to the rest of the world? He was virulently against that in the start of the movie and had no character development that made him change that opinion.
  • Ross is shown to be highly skeptical when Klaue tells him about T'Challa's BP suit.......which he has already seen in Civil War.......I actually wonder if the director even WATCHED Civil War
  • There is an extreme disconnect between the characterization of Civil War T'Challa and Black Panther T'Challa. Just look at Killmonger death and Zemo capture scenes and wonder how its even the same character

Damn those are some good points I didn't think about. Black Panther has dropped from my top 5 MCU movies since I watched it but you picked up on some glaring inconsistencies.

I think you need to watch the movie again. Anybody that remember's it well can see some big red flags in his "points". Like the fact that it was never stated that was his first time being in Wakanda since Civil War and they he made a reference during the movie that Bucky was already there.

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#46 Posted by Champion99 (1635 posts) - - Show Bio

@tomkatie said:

You are aware you’re turning Black Panther, an actually super enjoyable movie, into an annoying meme?

It's a troll. The title and the low post count says it all.

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#48 Posted by laflux (24647 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@champion99 said:
@decaf_wizard said:

It was a 6/10 movie at best and the plot didn't make sense

Fourth worst MCU movie IMO. Ant Man, Iron Man 3, and Thor 2 were worse.

You must have horrible taste if you think AoU was better.

There about equal in my opinion. It didn't have glaring worldbuilding and story issues

LMAO oh man you're funny. But I guess it is your opinion.

Its objective fact. Just off the top of my head, and just the more glaring ones

  • Its not consistant with the MCU. At the end of Civil War, BP comes back with Steven and Bucky to Wakanda to give them safe haven, then in Black Panther, we see T'Challa return to Wakanda alone, and is immediately does the whole Klaue and Killmonger thing. In fact Steve and Bucky would have been there the entire time, but their presence was simply ignored.
  • Killmonger was portrayed as smart but his plan was pathetically stupid and he comes off as a crazed madman who just wants revenge. His dealings would have put Wakanda on the world's watchlist as the primary source of terrorism in the world, and unarguably would've gotten the Avengers sicked on Wakanda.
  • Why would M'Baku continue to support T'Challa once they realize he plans to open Wakanda up completely to the rest of the world? He was virulently against that in the start of the movie and had no character development that made him change that opinion.
  • Ross is shown to be highly skeptical when Klaue tells him about T'Challa's BP suit.......which he has already seen in Civil War.......I actually wonder if the director even WATCHED Civil War
  • There is an extreme disconnect between the characterization of Civil War T'Challa and Black Panther T'Challa. Just look at Killmonger death and Zemo capture scenes and wonder how its even the same character

You really don't think it's plausible that Steve just left in between one of T'Challa's missions? Perhaps one we didn't see if we're not assuming that the only thing he did from the end of Civil War to the beginning of the movie was that one trip to the outskirts to free those girls (which was exactly a week if you paid close attention). More information on that will likely be revealed in IW, but it's not an inconsistency just because they didn't spoonfeed us information irrelevant to the plot of the movie.

That..was the point of his character. Despite all of his training and education, he constantly let his anger and contempt for Wakanda and it's people lead him to making unwise and downright cruel decisions, including almost killing the person responsible for all of the major technological advancements in Wakanda. That served as a symbolic narrative for Black people that try to fight for "liberation" out of hatred and arrogance (I'm sure you can think of some examples) and T'Challa was supposed to be the counterpart to that seeing as how he actually humbled himself through various means and learned through personal events of better ways to go about helping people.

He was actually against Wakanda abandoning all of their traditional values in favor of technological advancements. He had also clearly shown contempt for the Black Panthers of the past as he made mention that T'Challa was the first one to visit the Jabari tribe in many years. I don't recall him showing support for T'Challa opening the borders to the outside world, but I do recall him showing respect for the king for what he did for him and his people.

He was skeptical that T'Challa's suit was made in and came from Wakanda. With all the alien tech and technological geniuses in the world, he probably just assumed he had someone make it for him from some other country or acquired it through illegal means. Why would he assume something of Wakanda that goes against all intel he has on the country?

You're going to have to expound on this last point. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

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