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Today, browsing through Yahoo! like any other day, I stumbled along an article about a teen Transgender named Jazz Jenning, who is the new face of Clean and Clear. As I was reading this, it brought up a huge thought bubble in my head: Not all, but so many people of the LGBT group and their supporters are hypocrites.Now before I start, this is from a completely non-religious standpoint.

For example, they will try to insist that LBGT people are individuals of one sex born in the wrong body. How exactly does this work? When you are born, you're born with a certain set of chromosomes, an XX or XY, its simple biology. And if you truly believe that there is no heavenly/godly being pre-creating humans, than that means we are born with a blank slate as infants. Your brain doesn't start developing until 5 years in the embryo, and doesn't stop until age 25. So please explain to me how you can be born in the wrong body? What transgenders and their supporters promote is a mental disorder! If me, or anyone else were to claim that they were a dog, act like one, walk on all fours, refuse to eat in anything besides a bowl, they would be labeled as mentally incompetent and would be given a mental disorder; their parents would do anything in their power to make their child "normal", and refuse to except that behavior. So why is it ANY different with someone claiming they are of the wrong gender? Just like the individual with the "mental disorder" claiming he is of a different species, the person claiming he is of a different gender should be deemed with a mental disorder, as they are claiming something that they weren't born with and just aren't. To me, if you support one and not the other, honestly you're just being a Hypocrite. There's a reason why even after a sex "change, the individual cannot produce the hormones, organs, or chromosomes of their new sex.

I read this comment earlier that I totally agree with:

"Lets be clear about was is normal and what is not. Being born a man and changing to a women IS NOT Normal. I know some of you will view that as a hateful remark but it is not. When this represent 1/10 of 1% of our population then that is the furthest thing from normal. I do not condone discrimination or harm nor would I treat another human being in a disrespectful manner but trying to convince people that this is normal is crazy. I would also say the same thing for homosexuality. When less then 4% are this way it is not a normal part of mainstream society. It does not mean we should not be tolerant it just means it is not normal. If I see an elephant with 4 tusk that's not normal. If I see a dog with two tails that's not normal. If all women were only attracted to women or all men were only attracted to men then we would become extinct. Its not normal in natures eyes either. Its not how it was designed and if it was we would not exist. Tolerate one another, don't be mean, show respect, but lets no be frightened to identify something as not being normal."

Normal is described as being conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.To say homosexuality or transgender is being "normal" is a false, and honestly, ignorant statement. Now even though statistics say that 3.8% of individuals are gay in the US, the number is more like twice that. Many LGB are still in the closet, ashamed to let their secret out, even to an anonymous survey. But even after making a HUGE assumption that there are people who took the survey who weren't truthful, and assuming there were people who actually identified themselves as LGB and were not, that's still a minuscule 7.6% of the population. So we're lookingat people who make up 3.8-7.7% of the population. It is FAR from normal. If I were to say for some odd reason that I legitimately found animals attracting (and there are people who are like this), they would be labeled as "disgusting" and "disturbed" by society. But that's their choice; no better yet, they were "born" that way. Which brings me to another point: Being born that way.

There have been many studies done on the link between biology and sexual orientation, and though scientist do agree that ones sexual orientation is determined on genetics, hormonal factors, and environmental & social factors, studies are just too inconclusive and contradictory to prove anything, so for mainstream American society to shove it down people's throats that "they're born that way" is worse than saying that they aren't; there is no scientific evidence that is not contradictory with another study that supports this inaccurate statement. Another thing that is just blatantly false is the claim that homosexuality exist in the animal kingdom. Besides Homo-Sapiens, no animal on Earth has recreational sex. There have been studies to hint to more intelligent animals to have recreational sex such as Bottle-Nosed Dolphins and Chimpanzee, but nothing that is pure fact. Animals are controlled by hormones and instinct, and the only reason we as animals are here is for the survival and continuation of our species, that's it. That is the ONLY reason animals in the wild have sex. If they cannot/are not going to reproduce, then its pointless. So for individuals to say that it is seen in the animal kingdom is pure horsecrap. What you see in the wild, which is almost always in males, is animals mounting each other to show dominance, or for territory, not just because they want to be kinky. Monogamy is something VERY rare in the animal kingdom, and it is something only created for the survival of their offspring. But the fact is that homosexuality is NOT normal, it is NOT something found in the animal kingdom and those individuals need to stop lying to themselves. If everyone were LGBT, we as a species would go extinct. Honestly, it just isn't something meant to be.

LGBT are at a higher risk of gaining an STD(41% more likely), transgenders are at a higher risk of suicide when they're an adult, and about 1 in 4 of them experience regret in their decision at some point in their life. Also, when it comes to individuals who get their sex change as teens, its 51% who experience regret at some point in their life. If you are gonna get a sex change, do not do it at such a young age. I mainly put this on the parents. At a young age many parents across the country label stuff as a "boy" or a "girl" thing; toys they play with, colors they like, shows they watch. LET THEM GROW UP. If a boy likes pink and likes playing with dolls, this doesn't mean they're gay or a girl trapped in a boy's body, they simply like those things. Gay males can be athletic and "manly", and it's okay, yes its okay, for some boys to be emotional and relate themselves more with females.

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I'd rather not entertain this. I'm outie. >_>

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Dat wall of text tho!

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I find that I have similar tastes to lesbians but not gays

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You have balls dude. The liberals are running rampant around these parts...

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Honestly couldn't care anyless than I do right now. If they want to that then let them do it.

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I can't believe I read all that, but you do have some good points.

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"Lets be clear about was is normal and what is not. Being born a man and changing to a women IS NOT Normal. I know some of you will view that as a hateful remark but it is not. When this represent 1/10 of 1% of our population then that is the furthest thing from normal. I do not condone discrimination or harm nor would I treat another human being in a disrespectful manner but trying to convince people that this is normal is crazy. I would also say the same thing for homosexuality. When less then 4% are this way it is not a normal part of mainstream society. It does not mean we should not be tolerant it just means it is not normal. If I see an elephant with 4 tusk that's not normal. If I see a dog with two tails that's not normal. If all women were only attracted to women or all men were only attracted to men then we would become extinct. Its not normal in natures eyes either. Its not how it was designed and if it was we would not exist. Tolerate one another, don't be mean, show respect, but lets no be frightened to identify something as not being normal."

I agree very much with what you wrote, especially this.

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@averywetfrog said:

Even if what you are saying is true, and it's not, who cares?

What does it matter to you if someone is lgbt? Who cares if it can be classified as a mental disorder or not?

Their being lgbt has zero impact on you. Quit thinking about so much and stop trying to justify your bigotry, it's pathetic.

Bigotry. Did I ever state ONCE in my whole little rant their that I am intolerant of those of a different sexual orientation? No. Did I say I hate them? No. All I am stating is that them and their supporters are some of the biggest hypocrites on Earth, and despite what most of them try to shove down others throats, what there doing isn't normal to a certain degree.

When I was younger, I had a cousin who would bite others and cut himself. He ended up ending his own life at age 19. He had a mental disorder and what he was doing was not normal and I didn't except it, but at the end of the day I still loved him.

And what's wrong with me expressing my own personal opinion? Nothing. Its my right to. Just like they can live their life the way they want to, I can express what ever I see fit.

You can very much still tolerate someone or some people and still not accept what they do.

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LAL.

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It's a choice.

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I support the gay community.

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Also, as shown in this thread, the word "Bigot" is used way too often when discussing gay people.

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I was gonna answer.... then I saw the paragraphs and I'm like..

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You have balls dude. The liberals are running rampant around these parts...

This.

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Who says its not normal? Some dudes on a comic site?

Ha! I had to laugh at that.

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I'd read it. But the topic doesn't interest me nearly enough right now. And if you're wondering why I'm commenting... Post count, bruh!

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@kingvenus:

I'm sorry if I offended you. Whatever way it came out to be, my post wasn't really meant to say that those who support their group are "wrong and evil people", or that they're stupid, but it was rather intention to point out the humungouse flaws that most of their supporters promote.

@jayc1324 THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one. People really need to get a dictionary.

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@averywetfrog: So if I express a disagreement with what a certain group of people do, I'm a bigot. Interesting...

Who says its not normal? Some dudes on a comic site?

Ha! I had to laugh at that.

Yeah, but so does nature. but John Hopkins, arguably the best medical school in the whole country, said so also, and also a bunch of phycyatrist, doctors, and researchers. Don't make me try to sound like I'm just some random guy and the first guy to say this before.

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@isaacspider: respect for having balls to say this.

Bump. Interested to see what other people say about this.

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@isaacspider: So? There's people saying its normal as well. Your point?

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@averywetfrog:

You don't have to say bigoted things for me to come to the conclusion that you are a bigot.

In this case, yes he does, otherwise you're just diminishing your own credibility. Focus on what the OP is saying, not your preconceptions of why he is saying it. If the OP is wrong, correct him. Don't just attack him to make yourself look/feel good, and/or him look/feel bad. That's just useless.

As for me, 'normal' and 'abnormal' are just man-made categories that could be applied to anything, and don't suggest good or bad by themselves. I do like to see hypocrisy pointed out, though.

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Why do you insist on pissing me off? Your not gonna win this debate.

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And I think majority agree its normal.

Just sayin'.

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just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong. If an Astrophysicist explained so quantum physics to you you might be confused and not understand it either.

That doesn't make it false.

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#32  Edited By KingVenus

@dboyrules2011 said:

And I think majority agree its normal.

Just sayin'.

Why are you even entertaining his foolishness?

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#35  Edited By Straight-Fire

@kingvenus: I wanna prove I can debate whenever I feel like it, that's why. And being right feels so good...

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#36  Edited By VoloErgoMalus

@averywetfrog said:

@darthmummy said:

@averywetfrog:

You don't have to say bigoted things for me to come to the conclusion that you are a bigot.

In this case, yes he does, otherwise you're just diminishing your own credibility. Focus on what the OP is saying, not your preconceptions of why he is saying it. If the OP is wrong, correct him. Don't just attack him to make yourself feel good. Yeesh...

I can't reasonably conclude that someone is anti-lgbt when they are spouting the typical anti-lgbt talking points? That is just ridiculous and you know it. People make these reasonable assumptions everyday based on their experiences whether they want to or not.

No, you can't.* Simply making assumptions every day doesn't make them valid or justified. The OP is merely trying to argue that homosexuality is not normal. Bigotry implies intolerance toward that abnormality, which I see no evidence of. You're using the OP as an anti-LGBT straw man.

*Well, you can...it's just not valid or justified.

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@isaacspider said:

@averywetfrog: So if I express a disagreement with what a certain group of people do, I'm a bigot. Interesting...

No, I said you are not fooling me. I know you're a bigot because of what you are trying to prove. What is the point in trying to conclude that lgbt is a mental illness because it's not normal. Who cares if it's not normal, that is not how you classify mental illness. You are trying to justify your opinion and you are not fooling me and you're not fooling anyone.

Also, is that really all you got from what I said? If you are just going to run me around avoiding what I say and just skip to a different point, then what is the point of this discussion?

I'm in no shape or way trying to fool ANYONE! This is the internet. If I wanted to hate on/towards gays, I could with no consequences because this is the INTERNET! I have no reason to fool anyone. But if out of all I've said, all you could draw from is that I'm a bigot, then I will respectively LET you believe that.

And sure, something being abnormal is not how you classify mental illness, but believing something YOU ARE not, in this case believing you're the opposite sex, is an illness. You're fooling yourself if you say other wise.

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#39  Edited By Pharoh_Atem

As for my real thoughts, I will have them up soon. I will say this for the time being though - the OP's argument is built upon conjecture, false equivalency, and downright incorrect information.

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Why do you insist on pissing me off? Your not gonna win this debate.

I know this isn't my argument, but can I ask something? How is he pissing you off? All he did was apologize for unintentionally offending you, and clear up the mess that this thread has become. I don't see that as pissing someone off.

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equle rights for everyone

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This thread escalated very quickly.

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@petey_is_spidey: It was a joke from a gif. :)

ohh....

Sorry bro, its the internet, hard to tell when someone is sarcastic or not.

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@darthmummy said:
@averywetfrog said:

@darthmummy said:

@averywetfrog:

You don't have to say bigoted things for me to come to the conclusion that you are a bigot.

In this case, yes he does, otherwise you're just diminishing your own credibility. Focus on what the OP is saying, not your preconceptions of why he is saying it. If the OP is wrong, correct him. Don't just attack him to make yourself feel good. Yeesh...

I can't reasonably conclude that someone is anti-lgbt when they are spouting the typical anti-lgbt talking points? That is just ridiculous and you know it. People make these reasonable assumptions everyday based on their experiences whether they want to or not.

No, you can't. Simply making assumptions every day doesn't make them valid or justified. The OP is merely trying to argue that homosexuality is not normal. Bigotry implies intolerance toward that abnormality, which I see no evidence of. You're using the OP as an anti-LGBT straw man.

Of course I may be wrong. You are right he has not said anything inherently bigoted. That does not mean that I can't deduce based on his argument, defining lgbt as a mental illness, is for the purpose of simply proving that it is an unclassified mental illness. It is obvious that it is to justify his beliefs. If I was to ignore that, then I would just be fooling myself.

Let me take it to an extreme case. If op was trying to prove that blacks are more likely to be violent, could I not reasonably conclude that he is racist. I think so. Either that or just a troll.

Now that is a totally different situation, but I get the comparison. But at the end of the day, all you're doing is drawing a FALSE conclusion and motive for someones action, and claiming it as fact, when all it is is a HUGE assumption.

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#49  Edited By VoloErgoMalus

@averywetfrog said:

@darthmummy said:
@averywetfrog said:

@darthmummy said:

@averywetfrog:

You don't have to say bigoted things for me to come to the conclusion that you are a bigot.

In this case, yes he does, otherwise you're just diminishing your own credibility. Focus on what the OP is saying, not your preconceptions of why he is saying it. If the OP is wrong, correct him. Don't just attack him to make yourself feel good. Yeesh...

I can't reasonably conclude that someone is anti-lgbt when they are spouting the typical anti-lgbt talking points? That is just ridiculous and you know it. People make these reasonable assumptions everyday based on their experiences whether they want to or not.

No, you can't. Simply making assumptions every day doesn't make them valid or justified. The OP is merely trying to argue that homosexuality is not normal. Bigotry implies intolerance toward that abnormality, which I see no evidence of. You're using the OP as an anti-LGBT straw man.

Of course I may be wrong. You are right he has not said anything inherently bigoted. That does not mean that I can't deduce based on his argument, defining lgbt as a mental illness, is for the purpose of simply proving that it is an unclassified mental illness. It is obvious that it is to justify his beliefs. If I was to ignore that, then I would just be fooling myself.

Let me take it to an extreme case. If op was trying to prove that blacks are more likely to be violent, could I not reasonably conclude that he is racist. I think so. Either that or just a troll.

You can deduce whatever you want, but there are reasons to believe that the OP is not a bigot. He may have been telling the truth when you called him out; he may have other reasons for presenting LGBT as abnormal (like objectively believing it to be the case), or just didn't like the way people were arguing to the contrary (perceived hypocrisy) and wanted to point that out, or maybe he thinks there are better reasons to accept LGBT folks than the belief that being homosexual is normal.

The "extreme case" is trying to prove that there are differences between blacks and everyone else besides skin color, whereas what the OP is trying to do is prove that LGBT is not normal. Quite different.