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comment wat makes u pissed off in tv 
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Black entertainment television. The notion that an entire race could only be entertained by one form of media, or that every other race on the planet could not be entertained by that same form of media actually sickens me a little. I could understand it if there was a language barrier or something. But as it stands, it just seems like one of those things that seeks to divide people.

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MTV - 10 minutes of music 23hrs and 50min of bull****

BET - lol like i even have to explain

Any News Program- come on they get off on fear propaganda

American Idol - Never has metal/hard rock music, only feel good **** 
Commercials - To god damn many that do nothing but attract the most weak minded people to buy the dumbest products 
Kids Shows - these shows make kids douche bags fast than any parent on the planet, and those shows that actually talk to the viewer and wait for the viewed to answer are the worst What shape should we put in the round slot?...thats right the circle
CSI NY: its like they know everything about everything on that damn show, Vegas and Miami aint that stuck up 
Any American Channel from september 9th to september 12th post 2001 - it happened get over it

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#3  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Do I have to give a name? said: @DH69:

" Black entertainment television. The notion that an entire race could only be entertained by one form of media, or that every other race on the planet could not be entertained by that same form of media actually sickens me a little. I could understand it if there was a language barrier or something. But as it stands, it just seems like one of those things that seeks to divide people. "

I see where you're comin' from but give it some thought.
Almost every other chanel is dominated by white lead characters.
After years of "token black guys" is it so bad if a channel seeks to take the lead by makin' their own show's?
 
Good example right here's the Static Shock cartoon. People liked it, it won awards but didn't get any where near the recognition some thing like Ben Ten does.
So my friend from Zimbabwe with a little boy who's four still can't ware a T' shirt with a character who's the same ethnicity as him because pop culture's dominated by white faces.
 
I'm assuming anyone can watch and enjoy BET. No one's tryin' to make it an exclusive club.
 
 
As for the may topic...
it really grind my gears Friends is still repeated on a loop over here.
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#4  Edited By FadeToBlackBolt

Reality TV.

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#5  Edited By sexy_merc

Nearly everything nowadays.

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A lot of the things mentioned in the posts above me and when people cry on TV.
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#7  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@ComicMan24: 
When people cry?
What if it's just part of the story? A natural emotional reaction.?
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#8  Edited By Magian
@Gylan Thomas:
Not on series or movies. I am talking about talk shows and other similar programs. Most of the times it looks so fake and forced.
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#9  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@FadeToBlackBolt: 
Should be called cheap lazy TV. 
No actors, directors, story, studios....no brains required to watch either
 
@Sexy Merc said:
" Nearly everything nowadays. "

True. Next to nothin' worth watchin'.
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Those stupid Windows 7 Commercials - I'll tell you one thing is totally wrong about it: The People say they had this idea and they sent their idea Microsoft and they use their idea to make Windows 7 better, but I say it wasn't your ideas to make windows 7 it was Microsoft's idea to fix the problems Windows Vista had!

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@ComicMan24 said:
" @Gylan Thomas: Not on series or movies. I am talking about talk shows and other similar programs. Most of the times it looks so fake and forced. "
Very true.
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@Sexy Merc said:
"Nearly everything nowadays. "

Sadly, it is true.
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@2perninja said:
"comment was makes u pissed off in tv example wen sumthin that is a 2 help earth gets destroyed by sum idiot "

people like you who type stuff that makes no sense at all pisses me off
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@Detective Vector said:
"Those stupid Windows 7 Commercials - I'll tell you one thing is totally wrong about it: The People say they had this idea and they sent their idea Microsoft and they use their idea to make Windows 7 better, but I say it wasn't your ideas to make windows 7 it was Microsoft's idea to fix the problems Windows Vista had! "

oh god i hate those commercials too. im a douche bag and windows 7 was MY idea, they basically reinforce the mac commercials where the self rightous pc is trying to prove he's so great while mac just shrugs everything off
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@SuperGamera said:
" @2perninja said:
"comment was makes u pissed off in tv example wen sumthin that is a 2 help earth gets destroyed by sum idiot "
people like you who type stuff that makes no sense at all pisses me off "
Could just pointed out you didn't understand the typo :D
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#16  Edited By SuperGamera
@Gylan Thomas:
its not just typos its people who are too lazy to spell words correctly
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#17  Edited By Detective Vector
@DH69: Originally Windows was a business computer and a lot of people uses them as gaming computers and macs are like the powerhouse of photos, music, and video editing, but I still say both computers are still good to use
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@Detective Vector said:
" @DH69: Originally Windows was a business computer and a lot of people uses them as gaming computers and macs are like the powerhouse of photos, music, and video editing, but I still say both computers are still good to use "

very true...but mac has better commercials
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@Gylan Thomas said:

" I see where you're comin' from but give it some thought. Almost every other chanel is dominated by white lead characters. After years of "token black guys" is it so bad if a channel seeks to take the lead by makin' their own show's?  Good example right here's the Static Shock cartoon. People liked it, it won awards but didn't get any where near the recognition some thing like Ben Ten does. So my friend from Zimbabwe with a little boy who's four still can't ware a T' shirt with a character who's the same ethnicity as him because pop culture's dominated by white faces. I'm assuming anyone can watch and enjoy BET. No one's tryin' to make it an exclusive club.   As for the may topic... it really grind my gears Friends is still repeated on a loop over here. "


 
 
Believe me I have absolutely no problems with shows being made with a black lead. (To this day I think Fresh prince is the best sitcom of all time.) But to say that a channels programming schedule will categorically be either mainly, or all black casts is really no better than the exclusivity and tokenism that a lot of tv companies were notorious for in the 60's and 70's. It also seems unnecessary, I know American tv works differently to English tv. But I honestly believe that production companies over here will be interested in making any show that has the potential to succeed, regardless of the character's ethnicity. 
 
As for your point about Static shock, while I can agree that White characters are more common, I don't think that this can be put down solely to race. For example, Superman has had over 70 years of publication and would naturally be more well known than someone like Spawn.  
 
Also some things just have more of a mass appeal, I really liked Bruno the kid when I was young, but I wouldn't of been able to find a t-shirt of it anywhere, Rugrats I could of found 6 different types in 1 shop. Though I've not watched Ben 10 or Static shock, I know the rough premise for them both. Personally I would say that Ben 10's main concept has a lot more to work with.  
 
To be clear, I don't really care if all the shows on there are mainly black,white or whatever. But I really don't like the fact that it is specifically labelled as black TV, anymore than I would if someone made a channel called White entertainment television. 
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#20  Edited By Gylan Thomas
@Do I have to give a name?: 
 
Alot of good points.
You mention BET's cast's are exclusively black. That surpirses me.
As you pointed out bein' in England I'm not familiar with BET at all.
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#21  Edited By Aronmorales

Kids shows that have kids living with little or no responsibility, and usually in really nice set-ups too, and then there's the High School dramas, Oi! I can't stand those! alot of those kid's problems could be solved if they'd just stop looking at the little picture!
"Oh no! Chance broke up with me for Tiffany, but Tiffany is dating Celeste! and now my alcoholic ex-boyfriend is coming back into my life but he's trying to date my teacher!"
 
What about stuff like "my brother died in Iraq and now I'm dealing with the loss of my brother and a resentment towards Middle Easterns"?
Where do we get really meaningful troubles like that? Unless your looking to marry, who you date in high school REALLY doesn't make a bit of difference in the long run, but losing your family and overcoming hate are!
 
Sheesh! didn't know I had a rant in me...
 
*Edit:
 I also hate the expression "Oh my god". 
It doesn't even really have anything to do with my faith, more so how often I friggin' hear it on T.V. For corn's sake people, get another damn expression!

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@Gylan Thomas: Oh I'm English too, I'm mainly going on what friends who have lived in America have told me about it, plus what I've seen of it on the web. And I don't mean that casts etc will be exclusively black, just that simply by naming the channel that, there is a stated preference towards black presenters and a black audience.Which I can't see as a good thing regardless of the ethnicity involved. 
 
National channels I get, because of languages and home sickness etc. But black people born in America speak the same language and share the same culture as their white and asian American counterparts.
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Where to start? 
 
The fact that "hour long" shows are in actuality 40 minutes long, the other 20 minutes is reserved for commercials.  "Half hour" shows are only about 15 minutes. 
 
The fact that we seem to get about six shows every season now, instead of 13 or 26, and they break those up by moving around the time slots and showing the same rerun nine times during the season. (NCIS, I'm lookin' at you.) 
 
Syfy has incredible resources to draw from, and yet most of their "original movies" end up looking like they were specifically made for an MST3K revival. 
 
The fact that sports entertainment is now deemed science fiction. 
 
And YES teenage drama shows.  ZOMGWTFBBQ

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#24  Edited By drkhwk2001

Commercials every 5 mins. during the last 20 mins. of a good show.

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#25  Edited By Magian
@drkhwk2001 said:
"Commercials every 5 mins. during the last 20 mins. of a good show. "

That can be very annoying.
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#27  Edited By Omega Ray Jay

Don't really watch TV at all, Might catch a movie now and then or a good documentary.

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#28  Edited By Nova`Prime`
@Tomokata said:
" Where to start?  The fact that "hour long" shows are in actuality 40 minutes long, the other 20 minutes is reserved for commercials.  "Half hour" shows are only about 15 minutes.  The fact that we seem to get about six shows every season now, instead of 13 or 26, and they break those up by moving around the time slots and showing the same rerun nine times during the season. (NCIS, I'm lookin' at you.)  Syfy has incredible resources to draw from, and yet most of their "original movies" end up looking like they were specifically made for an MST3K revival.  The fact that sports entertainment is now deemed science fiction.  And YES teenage drama shows.  ZOMGWTFBBQ "

I am gonna have to agree with everything in that post, I even highlighted the key agreements. I really agree with the underlined and italicized section.
 
I also have to throw in the World Cup, Tennis, Golf, and whatever else makes me miss ESPN's First Take at 10am EST.
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#29  Edited By girth

In the Summer time they only show re-runs. Recently, they have been making more shows for what they call the summer season. These shows are so bad they might as well just keep playing the re-runs.

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#30  Edited By 2perninja
@SuperGamera:
lol srry 4 bad example lol
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@Do I have to give a name?: So what would you call it? I mean, there's not much I can think of that fits the theme of the channel. It's a channel that broadcasts shows and movies that are made up of a black cast. It's just like how Cartoon Network shows mostly cartoons and Syfy shows Sci-Fi. Black Entertainment Television shows entertainment comprised of black people, pretty much because no other channel does.
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High-School dramas,MTV shows,VH1 shows,really crappy cartoons flooding networks,Cartoon Network,and those "evangelical" shows that are utter bull-spit.

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#33  Edited By InnerVenom123

FOX News.

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@FadeToBlackBolt said:
" Reality TV. "
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#35  Edited By NexusOfLight
@InnerVenom123 said:
" FOX News. "
lol
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#36  Edited By BURNTHEPRIEST

Uh, the fact that the UK doesn't have a dedicated Anime channel!!, There used to be a channel that showed some good anime from 9PM, but they took it off completely. The Sci-Fi channel over here is pretty useless too, I'm pretty sure the one in te U.S. used to show Anime movies after 12:00 am...

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#37  Edited By Tomokata
@BURNTHEPRIEST:   Anime Mondays on Syfy.  Which, as it starts at midnight, it should be Anime Tuesdays.   
 
Used to have the Anime Network, but for some reason it's no longer available.  Funimation is taking over and now you have to subscribe to all the decent stuff.  Meh.
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#38  Edited By Bio Guyver

Viagra commercials.

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@NexusOfLight said:
" @Do I have to give a name?: So what would you call it? I mean, there's not much I can think of that fits the theme of the channel. It's a channel that broadcasts shows and movies that are made up of a black cast. It's just like how Cartoon Network shows mostly cartoons and Syfy shows Sci-Fi. Black Entertainment Television shows entertainment comprised of black people, pretty much because no other channel does. "
 
Yeah but Sci-fi is a genre, black isn't. Cartoons are a type of media, black isn't. Nor is it a country or a language, so I really don't see a need to have a dedicated black channel. 20 or 30 years ago I could of totally agreed with the whole black people being underrepresented on TV thing. But today that just doesn't ring true to me. you really don't have to look very hard to find people of most ethnicities in TV roles. Perhaps that's not so much the case in America, but I find it difficult to imagine a country with 240 million more people having less diverse TV shows or channels. 
 
But in answer to your question, theres literally thousands of names they could have used that aren't emphasizing race. We have a local radio station here that plays nothing but R&B, Rap, Reggae and dance hall. But it's sure as hell not called black FM. And I'm sure people would be pissed if they changed it so that it was.  
 
Even if you do think that main stream TV is systematically dominated by whites, imagine if HBO changed their name to "White man's Television." There would be uproar and rightly so. I would also be extremely angered to see a group of people presume to represent me and all the people who share my skin colour, with nothing more than a line up of often poor quality shows.   
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Loose woman (I think America's version is called the view.) 
 
Just because you have a circle jerk of 4 other menopausal woman cackling along to your obvious and inane banter, it doesn't mean you're suddenly witty or funny. 
 
Also, Jeremy Kyle.

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#41  Edited By spiderpigbart

Glenn Beck.

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#42  Edited By trougedoor122

Anything on Disney Channel or Cartoon Network, those shows suck.

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#43  Edited By NexusOfLight
@Do I have to give a name? said:
" @NexusOfLight said:
" @Do I have to give a name?: So what would you call it? I mean, there's not much I can think of that fits the theme of the channel. It's a channel that broadcasts shows and movies that are made up of a black cast. It's just like how Cartoon Network shows mostly cartoons and Syfy shows Sci-Fi. Black Entertainment Television shows entertainment comprised of black people, pretty much because no other channel does. "
 Yeah but Sci-fi is a genre, black isn't. Cartoons are a type of media, black isn't. Nor is it a country or a language, so I really don't see a need to have a dedicated black channel. 20 or 30 years ago I could of totally agreed with the whole black people being underrepresented on TV thing. But today that just doesn't ring true to me. you really don't have to look very hard to find people of most ethnicities in TV roles. Perhaps that's not so much the case in America, but I find it difficult to imagine a country with 240 million more people having less diverse TV shows or channels.  But in answer to your question, theres literally thousands of names they could have used that aren't emphasizing race. We have a local radio station here that plays nothing but R&B, Rap, Reggae and dance hall. But it's sure as hell not called black FM. And I'm sure people would be pissed if they changed it so that it was.   Even if you do think that main stream TV is systematically dominated by whites, imagine if HBO changed their name to "White man's Television." There would be uproar and rightly so. I would also be extremely angered to see a group of people presume to represent me and all the people who share my skin colour, with nothing more than a line up of often poor quality shows.    "
I thought you said you were okay with the notion of TV shows with a majority of black actors. Now, it seems that you're not, and I suppose I can understand where you're coming from. You say you're English, right? As in born and raised in the UK? Slavery was abolished there before it was in America. And (if I recall correctly) since slave labor wasn't the main driving force the English way of life, blacks were integrated into society without too much trouble, whereas in America, Blacks were forced to undergo extreme discrimination for two hundred years after being "free." Which means that in order to get a voice in anything (voting, entertainment, television, etc.) they had to be proactive in doing so, which ultimately lead to the creation of BET twenty years ago, and why it continues on today. Looking at it, it's still just one channel. One channel out of literally hundreds upon hundreds of other channels out there in America and the rest of the world, so it shouldn't be that big a deal, anyway. It's like saying, "black people shouldn't get a history month." Again, shouldn't be that big a deal, since it's just one month out of the year. Without that month, how many African American inventors would be recognized today?
 
Anyway, the fact of the matter is, for every black show out there, black show meaning a show where African American actors are in the majority, African American situations are the driving plot, and African American people are the target audience, there are at least twenty or thirty shows out there that aren't. So yes, black people are still fairly underrepresented in television. Things have changed slightly from how they were 20 to 30 years ago, but only in the sense that black people aren't looked at as slaves still living in the Jim Crow era as servants to the white lead. You may find it hard to imagine, but that's just the simple truth. I'm not denying that there aren't black actors in TV shows, but usually, they're there just to make the show "ethnically diverse." Far too often is the "token black guy" just there to be there, and far too often is the "token black guy" a stereotype. Black people are more than that. And in a way, "black" is a genre, or at least a subset of a genre. The situations and plots surrounding African American drama are different from a non-African American drama. 
 
Now, I'm still interested. BET is a channel that has only one major thing in common, and that is the race of its actors. Black Entertainment Television is television targeted for African American people. Of course it's going to emphasize race, because race is the major factor in determining its target audience. What other name could you think of that accomplishes the same thing without "emphasizing race?" As for your music thing, music is independent of skin color because regardless of who plays what in whatever genre, it's still that genre. White people rapping is still rap. White people singing R&B is still R&B. White people playing jazz is still jazz. There, the skin color isn't as big because--well, probably because you don't see music. You hear it. 
 
And my least favorite argument for the whole "white-black thing" is when people try to reverse it. The reason why people would be in an uproar about "white pride" or "white television" or "white whatever" is because of the stigma that is attached to it. The only people that went around shouting "white pride" were the Ku Klux Klan. Most people believe them to be bad people, and since they've seemingly coined that phrase, the phrase is bad, too. That's all that's about. 
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#44  Edited By Roddy010
@NexusOfLight said:
" @Do I have to give a name? said:
" @NexusOfLight said:
" @Do I have to give a name?: So what would you call it? I mean, there's not much I can think of that fits the theme of the channel. It's a channel that broadcasts shows and movies that are made up of a black cast. It's just like how Cartoon Network shows mostly cartoons and Syfy shows Sci-Fi. Black Entertainment Television shows entertainment comprised of black people, pretty much because no other channel does. "
 Yeah but Sci-fi is a genre, black isn't. Cartoons are a type of media, black isn't. Nor is it a country or a language, so I really don't see a need to have a dedicated black channel. 20 or 30 years ago I could of totally agreed with the whole black people being underrepresented on TV thing. But today that just doesn't ring true to me. you really don't have to look very hard to find people of most ethnicities in TV roles. Perhaps that's not so much the case in America, but I find it difficult to imagine a country with 240 million more people having less diverse TV shows or channels.  But in answer to your question, theres literally thousands of names they could have used that aren't emphasizing race. We have a local radio station here that plays nothing but R&B, Rap, Reggae and dance hall. But it's sure as hell not called black FM. And I'm sure people would be pissed if they changed it so that it was.   Even if you do think that main stream TV is systematically dominated by whites, imagine if HBO changed their name to "White man's Television." There would be uproar and rightly so. I would also be extremely angered to see a group of people presume to represent me and all the people who share my skin colour, with nothing more than a line up of often poor quality shows.    "
I thought you said you were okay with the notion of TV shows with a majority of black actors. Now, it seems that you're not, and I suppose I can understand where you're coming from. You say you're English, right? As in born and raised in the UK? Slavery was abolished there before it was in America. And (if I recall correctly) since slave labor wasn't the main driving force the English way of life, blacks were integrated into society without too much trouble, whereas in America, Blacks were forced to undergo extreme discrimination for two hundred years after being "free." Which means that in order to get a voice in anything (voting, entertainment, television, etc.) they had to be proactive in doing so, which ultimately lead to the creation of BET twenty years ago, and why it continues on today. Looking at it, it's still just one channel. One channel out of literally hundreds upon hundreds of other channels out there in America and the rest of the world, so it shouldn't be that big a deal, anyway. It's like saying, "black people shouldn't get a history month." Again, shouldn't be that big a deal, since it's just one month out of the year. Without that month, how many African American inventors would be recognized today?
 
Anyway, the fact of the matter is, for every black show out there, black show meaning a show where African American actors are in the majority, African American situations are the driving plot, and African American people are the target audience, there are at least twenty or thirty shows out there that aren't. So yes, black people are still fairly underrepresented in television. Things have changed slightly from how they were 20 to 30 years ago, but only in the sense that black people aren't looked at as slaves still living in the Jim Crow era as servants to the white lead. You may find it hard to imagine, but that's just the simple truth. I'm not denying that there aren't black actors in TV shows, but usually, they're there just to make the show "ethnically diverse." Far too often is the "token black guy" just there to be there, and far too often is the "token black guy" a stereotype. Black people are more than that. And in a way, "black" is a genre, or at least a subset of a genre. The situations and plots surrounding African American drama are different from a non-African American drama. 
 
Now, I'm still interested. BET is a channel that has only one major thing in common, and that is the race of its actors. Black Entertainment Television is television targeted for African American people. Of course it's going to emphasize race, because race is the major factor in determining its target audience. What other name could you think of that accomplishes the same thing without "emphasizing race?" As for your music thing, music is independent of skin color because regardless of who plays what in whatever genre, it's still that genre. White people rapping is still rap. White people singing R&B is still R&B. White people playing jazz is still jazz. There, the skin color isn't as big because--well, probably because you don't see music. You hear it.  And my least favorite argument for the whole "white-black thing" is when people try to reverse it. The reason why people would be in an uproar about "white pride" or "white television" or "white whatever" is because of the stigma that is attached to it. The only people that went around shouting "white pride" were the Ku Klux Klan. Most people believe them to be bad people, and since they've seemingly coined that phrase, the phrase is bad, too. That's all that's about.  "
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@NexusOfLight said:

"I thought you said you were okay with the notion of TV shows with a majority of black actors. Now, it seems that you're not, and I suppose I can understand where you're coming from.  

I am absolutely fine with a show having a majority of black actors, or white actors, or any other kind of actor. What I am not okay with is a channel to say that a show is only good to them IF it has that majority. I'm kind of curious as to what I said that makes you think I'm not okay with it? 
 

You say you're English, right? As in born and raised in the UK? Slavery was abolished there before it was in America. And (if I recall correctly) since slave labor wasn't the main driving force the English way of life, blacks were integrated into society without too much trouble, whereas in America, Blacks were forced to undergo extreme discrimination for two hundred years after being "free." Which means that in order to get a voice in anything (voting, entertainment, television, etc.) they had to be proactive in doing so, which ultimately lead to the creation of BET twenty years ago, and why it continues on today. 

 
I'm afraid you are mistaken, while it is true that England abolished slavery long before America, we didn't suddenly all join hands and sing happy songs. mass immigration from the West Indies etc didn't really begin until the 1950's And it brought with it all the violence, aggression and bigotry you'd expect. Even as recently as the 1980's we were still having racially motivated riots and protests. 
 
But as for your point of BET giving black people a voice, perhaps that was true at it's founding, but it has been owned by Viacom for a long time now. And has been denounced by at least one of it's original founders as no longer being true to it's roots and for enforcing negative African-American stereotypes. 
 
@NexusOfLight said:


 Anyway, the fact of the matter is, for every black show out there, black show meaning a show where African American actors are in the majority, African American situations are the driving plot, and African American people are the target audience, there are at least twenty or thirty shows out there that aren't. So yes, black people are still fairly underrepresented in television. Things have changed slightly from how they were 20 to 30 years ago, but only in the sense that black people aren't looked at as slaves still living in the Jim Crow era as servants to the white lead. You may find it hard to imagine, but that's just the simple truth. I'm not denying that there aren't black actors in TV shows, but usually, they're there just to make the show "ethnically diverse." Far too often is the "token black guy" just there to be there, and far too often is the "token black guy" a stereotype. Black people are more than that. And in a way, "black" is a genre, or at least a subset of a genre. The situations and plots surrounding African American drama are different from a non-African American drama. "

Well that all depends how you view underrepresented. If you view it to mean that there are not as many mainly black cast shows as there are white, that is true. If however you look at it as proportional representation then it is not. In England Afro-Caribbeans make up roughly 5% of the population. and if anything more than 5% of the people on TV are of colour. That may still sound unfair, but how high a percentage of TV personalities do you think are white in predominately black countries like Ghana or Nigeria?  (My friend's family produce Ghanaian TV shows, the answer is not many.)  
 
Also, not being funny, but could you give me some examples of a token black guy in modern TV shows? I'm not saying they're not there, but I haven't really noticed them in the shows that I watch.
  
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" @Do I have to give a name? said:


 
Now, I'm still interested. BET is a channel that has only one major thing in common, and that is the race of its actors. Black Entertainment Television is television targeted for African American people. Of course it's going to emphasize race, because race is the major factor in determining its target audience.

 And that's the very issue I have with it. By saying "This is for black people" and that other TV doesn't relate to them, they are implying that black people are different to other races. You gave the example of the Sci-fi channel, well in my view it's perfectly reasonable to say you only want to broadcast a certain type of program or genre. But to say that you will broadcast any type of program or genre, but only if it is made up of people with a certain skin colour is a dangerous idea. Even more so when the channel is not even run by people of that colour. 
 
@NexusOfLight said:

 As for your music thing, music is independent of skin color because regardless of who plays what in whatever genre, it's still that genre. White people rapping is still rap. White people singing R&B is still R&B. White people playing jazz is still jazz. There, the skin color isn't as big because--well, probably because you don't see music. You hear it.  

And black people acting in a drama is still drama, black people acting in a comedy is still comedy. I believe the point is still valid. 
 
@NexusOfLight said:

" And my least favorite argument for the whole "white-black thing" is when people try to reverse it. The reason why people would be in an uproar about "white pride" or "white television" or "white whatever" is because of the stigma that is attached to it. The only people that went around shouting "white pride" were the Ku Klux Klan. Most people believe them to be bad people, and since they've seemingly coined that phrase, the phrase is bad, too. That's all that's about.  "

I never used the words "White pride" I used the words "White entertainment television" For you to associate that with white power and the Ku klux klan is interesting to me, because literally the only difference is I swapped the word "black" for the word "white". Frankly what I have said no more sides me with the KKK than what you have said sides you with the Black panthers. 
 
 EDIT: Just noticed you were referring to my later post, where I said "White man's television" That may sound slightly more inflammatory, but not really a whole lot worse than "White entertainment television" And certainly not so bad as to be compared to the Ku klux klan.
 

On a side note, I've quite enjoyed this little exchange of views. It's nice to talk to rational people with opposing perspectives every now and then 8-)
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@Do I have to give a name? said:

" @NexusOfLight said:

"I thought you said you were okay with the notion of TV shows with a majority of black actors. Now, it seems that you're not, and I suppose I can understand where you're coming from.  

I am absolutely fine with a show having a majority of black actors, or white actors, or any other kind of actor. What I am not okay with is a channel to say that a show is only good to them IF it has that majority. I'm kind of curious as to what I said that makes you think I'm not okay with it? 
Well, that's not what BET is trying to do. They're not saying a show is only good if black people are in it. The only statement they're making is that not all good shows have to be with a primarily white cast. They broadcast shows on their channel to offer a different choice to one's usual television viewing. Speaking as a black kid in America, I used to always wonder why I didn't see people like me in the shows that I watched. There weren't any black kids in anime or any black kids in other TV shows, except for maybe one guy "the token black guy" for every five or six shows I watched. I didn't feel there was much I could relate to. I always felt that white kids got all the super powers, and white kids were the only ones who could save the world, and silly stuff like that. That was about ten to fifteen years ago, and even though things have changed for the better, I still don't see many black people I can relate to on television. That's what BET was established for.

You say you're English, right? As in born and raised in the UK? Slavery was abolished there before it was in America. And (if I recall correctly) since slave labor wasn't the main driving force the English way of life, blacks were integrated into society without too much trouble, whereas in America, Blacks were forced to undergo extreme discrimination for two hundred years after being "free." Which means that in order to get a voice in anything (voting, entertainment, television, etc.) they had to be proactive in doing so, which ultimately lead to the creation of BET twenty years ago, and why it continues on today. 

 
I'm afraid you are mistaken, while it is true that England abolished slavery long before America, we didn't suddenly all join hands and sing happy songs. mass immigration from the West Indies etc didn't really begin until the 1950's And it brought with it all the violence, aggression and bigotry you'd expect. Even as recently as the 1980's we were still having racially motivated riots and protests. 

 Ah, good to know. Thanks for correcting me on that.


But as for your point of BET giving black people a voice, perhaps that was true at it's founding, but it has been owned by Viacom for a long time now. And has been denounced by at least one of it's original founders as no longer being true to it's roots and for enforcing negative African-American stereotypes.  


Yes, it has strayed from its roots. Boondocks even did an episode making fun of that, but I think the reason being isn't because of BET itself, but television and the media in general. Everything seems to have declined by a great margin in terms of quality, but for whatever reason, people are still watching it, MTV, VH1, and all the other channels, and the corporations are still making money, so they're going to keep putting out the stuff. I'm not going to go too far into this, because it's really a discussion in and of itself.
 

@NexusOfLight said:


 Anyway, the fact of the matter is, for every black show out there, black show meaning a show where African American actors are in the majority, African American situations are the driving plot, and African American people are the target audience, there are at least twenty or thirty shows out there that aren't. So yes, black people are still fairly underrepresented in television. Things have changed slightly from how they were 20 to 30 years ago, but only in the sense that black people aren't looked at as slaves still living in the Jim Crow era as servants to the white lead. You may find it hard to imagine, but that's just the simple truth. I'm not denying that there aren't black actors in TV shows, but usually, they're there just to make the show "ethnically diverse." Far too often is the "token black guy" just there to be there, and far too often is the "token black guy" a stereotype. Black people are more than that. And in a way, "black" is a genre, or at least a subset of a genre. The situations and plots surrounding African American drama are different from a non-African American drama. "

Well that all depends how you view underrepresented. If you view it to mean that there are not as many mainly black cast shows as there are white, that is true. If however you look at it as proportional representation then it is not. In England Afro-Caribbeans make up roughly 5% of the population. and if anything more than 5% of the people on TV are of colour. That may still sound unfair, but how high a percentage of TV personalities do you think are white in predominately black countries like Ghana or Nigeria?  (My friend's family produce Ghanaian TV shows, the answer is not many.)  

 But it's not even proportional. That's the thing. African Americans make up roughly 12% [source] of the American populous, but if BET weren't around, I'd say there wouldn't even be 2% of African American entertainment on television. BET works to bring up that number. I frankly wouldn't mind if every under-represented race had its own channel on television. George Lopez had a funny show. An all Latino channel would be cool.

Also, not being funny, but could you give me some examples of a token black guy in modern TV shows? I'm not saying they're not there, but I haven't really noticed them in the shows that I watch.

The first example that comes to mind is in the horror movie genre. Every group seems to start off with at least one black guy in it, and it seems he's always the first to die, and that black guy is usually the guy who's there for comic relief. This article seems to do a good job saying what I'm trying to say, but better. As for modern TV shows, I can think of a few. Cleaveland from Family Guy, Mr. T from A Team (not so modern, but hey, it had a movie made recently), Turk from Scrubs, Deacon from Kingo of Queens, Bob from the anime Tenjho Tenge, ha--Mr. Popo from DBZ... Tokenism is still pretty prominent in today's media.
  


 And that's the very issue I have with it. By saying "This is for black people" and that other TV doesn't relate to them, they are implying that black people are different to other races. You gave the example of the Sci-fi channel, well in my view it's perfectly reasonable to say you only want to broadcast a certain type of program or genre. But to say that you will broadcast any type of program or genre, but only if it is made up of people with a certain skin colour is a dangerous idea. Even more so when the channel is not even run by people of that colour. 


 But why is that an issue, though? If a group of people with a certain skin color is underrepresented on television, why not pick a spot on the television and have them watch that, especially if it's just one spot out of hundreds of other spots? It, in effect, is doing the same thing that the Sci-Fi channel is doing. Remember the show Firefly? It had it's movie Serenity, and since it's been off the air, Sci-Fi has been showing it on a couple of occasions. Now look at The Proud Family. It was shown on Disney for a while, and when it went off, BET has been known to show it. Just like the Sci-Fi channel is a place where people can go and watch Sci-Fi television shows, BET is a place people, black, white, Hispanic, whatever, can go and watch shows created by and for African Americans.
 

@NexusOfLight said:

 As for your music thing, music is independent of skin color because regardless of who plays what in whatever genre, it's still that genre. White people rapping is still rap. White people singing R&B is still R&B. White people playing jazz is still jazz. There, the skin color isn't as big because--well, probably because you don't see music. You hear it.  

And black people acting in a drama is still drama, black people acting in a comedy is still comedy. I believe the point is still valid. 

 But the difference is that 1) A drama and a comedy is seen whereas music is only heard. There have been times when I was listening to a rap artist and would not, for the life of me have known he was black until I saw a picture of him, and 2) drama set in a black setting is different from drama set in a non-black setting. Comedy with black people in mind is also different from comedy targeted at non-black people. It's the same thing as British comedy being different than American comedy. They go for different things, and different people react towards it. That's why I say black drama is at least a sub-genre of drama as a whole.

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" And my least favorite argument for the whole "white-black thing" is when people try to reverse it. The reason why people would be in an uproar about "white pride" or "white television" or "white whatever" is because of the stigma that is attached to it. The only people that went around shouting "white pride" were the Ku Klux Klan. Most people believe them to be bad people, and since they've seemingly coined that phrase, the phrase is bad, too. That's all that's about.  "

I never used the words "White pride" I used the words "White entertainment television" For you to associate that with white power and the Ku klux klan is interesting to me, because literally the only difference is I swapped the word "black" for the word "white". Frankly what I have said no more sides me with the KKK than what you have said sides you with the Black panthers.   EDIT: Just noticed you were referring to my later post, where I said "White man's television" That may sound slightly more inflammatory, but not really a whole lot worse than "White entertainment television" And certainly not so bad as to be compared to the Ku klux klan.
  That's just the kind of world we live in. At least in American society, adding white, in terms of race, as a descriptor usually gives it a negative connotation because of what has been associated with it. Like I said, white supremacist groups made sure to do that when they were terrorizing. That's why it's usually bad for someone to shout white anything while it's okay to shout "black pride", "asian pride," "latino pride" etc. It is an interesting thing, but it is not without reason.

On a side note, I've quite enjoyed this little exchange of views. It's nice to talk to rational people with opposing perspectives every now and then 8-) "

Ah, this is what I live for. (Sad, I know.) Honest, intelligent discussion.
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It's called Fox news.

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stupid commercials
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this is why i dont watch TV anymore

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All that over the top reality crap .