@heroup2112 said:
@fore2341 said:
@jooosh1996 said:
@fore2341: Jesus christ theres some keyboard warriors on the internet. If a wolf came at you you would sh*t yourself. You are delusional if you think otherwise.
You resort to ad hominem attacks because you've realized your position is impossible to defend and therefore find my claims valid... Typical tactic for people suffering from denial and large egos
Hell, I can easily defend his position.
- Human being's bodies are not, I repeat NOT designed for combat. They just aren't. Compared to most other animals in our size range, our skin is too thing; our muscles aren't particularly dense or difficult to pierce and tear; as a species we tend to have a particularly low pain tolerance, though I agree adrenaline can certainly be a factor you clearly misunderstand a few things about how adrenaline affects the human body...though i'll be the first to say it CAN help in this situation; humans blood vessels are within' the VERY thing wrappings of our thin skin; our bone density and skeletal structure are...again..not designed for combat...the natural weapons we have, our hands, break and are rendered usesless fairly easily and we have next to NO damage capacity with our teeth, and our skeletal structure is very long and lanky which makes it difficult to STAY balanced and reduces the power of any strikes we may attempt, and relatively soft other tissues...it is much easier to bleed us out than the majority of other animals our size, and once we ARE supine or prone our advantages against any kind of canine drop exponentially as we are neither designed to operate well in these positions but it gives a canine MUCH easier access to our vital areas. Humans have perfected ways to ENHANCE the physical attributes we have with training and hard work, but we are very much most effective in combating each other.
- Wolves are MUCH stronger than all but the largest domestic canines. They have the instincts to attack vital areas that will most likely kill or incapacitate a prey item, and we have many...JUST in our limbs...not to mention our very exposed heads at the top of relatively long and poorly protected necks.
- The main reason human beings have survived, thrived, and become the dominant species on the planet revolves around two things. Our superior mental faculties and our thumbs. We killed wolves, mammoths, and other large beasts when we were more primitive because we learned to fashion WEAPONS and STRATEGIES for killing, NOT because our bodies are very well suited for direct combat with other animals. Again, pound for pound we are among THE weakes animal of our size range on the planet.
- Getting AT a wolves neck is a LOT more difficult than you make it sound, even WITH keeping your head and a combat mind set. First the idea of pinning a wolf down unless you're a LARGE and very fit man isn't realistic. They're difficult to topple, they twist and right themselves without much difficulty, and their MOUTHS can swivel into almost any position on their body except right at the neck and straight up. The wolf KNOWS it's neck is a vulnerable area and will do EVERYTHING it can to try to prevent you from getting there. By the time you get to the neck, the odds are you will be mauled, tired, and your adrenaline boost will be starting to wear off. UNLESS you are lucky and quick and can get to the choke hold (which you would know where to do, not just any portion of a canine's neck is vulnerable to being choked) onto the animal.
- This thing will TEAR into you. Again, we're talking about the average human. Not a fighter, not a body builder, but average Joe. Even if he keeps the right mind set (which is a BIG if) the odds of a limb being latched onto and savaged is EXTREME...if it's an arm you can kiss choking the wolf out goodbye. No way is a human choking out a wolf with one arm.
These are just the ones off the top of my head, there are more.
YES, it is possible for an average human to defeat a healthy wolf who is trying to kill him. Is it likely? Not very. Even if he DOES kill the wolf he'd better hope he's near medical attention or he will either die of blood loss or infection (no, a canine's bite does NOT have fewer germs than a human).
Point is, even if you CAN kill a wolf it's NOT going to be easy and simple like you make it sound...you're GOING to get jacked up. All their is too it.
You have failed miserably at defending his position.
1. You are wrong, the human body is indeed built for combat, better than almost any other animal. Human beings have several physical advantages over most other animals that make us formidable creatures, even unarmed. Adrenalin indeed gives human beings a very high pain tolerance, especially in life or death situations. Human beings do have very robust bone and muscle structures that are indeed very useful for combat. Our dexterity allows us to utilize our strength. A huge disadvantage with other animals is that they are incapable of utilizing their strength as much as a human's because they are nowhere near as dexterous, and there limbs are not as flexible. Human beings do not have a difficult time at all keeping balance, we have evolved to have good balance on two legs. Your argument that it's difficult for a human to stay balanced goes directly against the facts. If anything, wolves will have a much harder time staying balanced than humans due to the poor structure of their limbs in comparison to others. Taking a canine down would be an incredibly easy task for a human. Due to the limited range of motion of their limbs, simply grabbing the back of its neck and throwing it down at an angle will take the wolf off it's feet no problem. From there, pinning the wolf down is no difficulty at all either. In fact, one can easily prevent a wolf from getting off the ground and onto its feet by simply grabbing its two front legs, and then placing your knee on top of its chest. From there, there will be absolutely nothing a wolf can do, because they can do very little with their limbs besides, run, wolves can't even scratch with their "claws" which have blunt ends on them. Another thing a human can do once gaining this position is push the two front legs to the side, breaking the wolf's arms. Considering that humans not only have a strength advantage, but an advantage in our anatomy overall, which includes our dexterity, the range of motion in our limbs, and our great balance on two legs, no canine on earth would stand a chance against the average man with the proper mindset. Once it latches onto one arm, its neck becomes exposed, and rapping your arm around it becomes much easier.
2. Their strength in comparison to other canines is of little to no relevance, as they are still no match for the average human with the right mindset. And biting a human's limbs is nowhere near enough to put an end to the fight. Like I said, in fight or flight situations, it takes a surprisingly high amount of damage to put a person down. And a wolf would never be able to reach our head or neck if we are using our arms to protect ourselves, and if it bites onto one of our arms, we can easily choke it out with the other. Wolves, and all other canines, are physically inferior to humans in every way that matters when it comes to fighting. The only advantage that they have is their bite which will be nowhere near enough to take down a human that is fighting back.
3. Yes, ancient humans invented weapons because they made our lives easier. It would be stupid to hunt an animal barehanded when we could easily do it with weapons which would make hunting much easier. That's why our ancestors chose to use weapons when hunting other animals: Because it would make the task easier, not because human beings are not capable of beating many vicious animals bare handed. Human beings may not be strong pound for pound, but our advantages comes from other facts: This includes our dexterity (which allows us to utilize our strength to its maximum), the flexility and shape of our limbs (which can be used to easily choke out our opponents) and our great balance on two legs (which allows us to hit with incredible amounts of force). Also, another thing that is interesting to note is that the human hand has evolved for punching. The reason that human beings have short fingers and strong thumbs is so that we can make a stable fist. https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-human-fist-punching-evolution-males--20151021-story.html Contrary to popular belief, human beings are actually the second strongest primates. The only study in human history which ever suggested that chimpanzees are stronger than humans (in absolute terms, not pound for pound terms) was a faulty study conducted by Bauman in the 1920s. In this study a chimp pulled thousands of lbs with one arm, but the methodology was severely flawed. 20 years later in the 1940s, a scientist named Glen Finch in yale repeated the experiment with proper methods and found that chimps can only pull the same weight as the average man, which means that when it comes to absolute strength, chimpanzees are only equal to humans in strength, but when it comes to pound for pound strength, chimpanzees are twice as strong. https://slate.com/technology/2009/02/how-strong-is-a-chimpanzee-really.html However, pound for pound strength means nothing in a fight. The only thing which matters in a fight is absolute strength, or the total force exerted. In fact, in a recent study in 2017, it was found that chimps are actually even weaker than we thought. Chimpanzees are pound for pound only 1.5 times stronger, and the scientists admitted that human beings can actually outperform chimps in absolute terms. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2138714-chimps-are-not-as-superhumanly-strong-as-we-thought-they-were/ So the primate hierarchy is quiet simple: Gorillas > Humans > Chimps > Bonobos. Human beings are far from weak, even unarmed we are one of the most dangerous animals in the wild.
4. Actually, getting at a wolf's neck is not that difficult at all. You claim that they are difficult to topple, but again, your claims contradicts the facts. Due to the poor balance of canines, toppling them is not difficult at all. If you quickly grab their neck and then twist, they will instantly fall down. Their bodies were not meant to handle a move like that, because their limbs have a very limited range of motion, and they will fall off their feet when a person does this. Humans can spread their legs very wide, making it incredibly difficult to take them down. And pinning a wolf down once it's taken down is not difficult at all if you use your knee and grab its front legs. There is absolutely nothing that the wolf would be able to do to escape from this position. They can't twist out of it if you grab a hold of their arms, and they can't bite you if your knee is pinning their chest down. From there, all you have to do is slide your leg up to their neck and then the animal will be strangled to death. Or if the wolf decides to grab onto one of your limbs, it's making the task much easier. From there, just use your arms to choke the wolf unconscious, and finding the proper area is not something a person should have to be concerned with at all. Just putting a decent amount of pressure on the neck will effectively stop their breathing, or their blood flow to the brain causing them to pass out.
5. Incorrect, a person can choke out a wolf with one arm. If the wolf simply grabs onto one of your limbs and refuses to let go, then simply rapping your one arm around its neck and squeezing as hard as you can will effectively stop its breathing. There is absolutely nothing outlandish about this, a person can put more than enough pressure on the trachea to stop breathing using just one arm, our arms are more than long enough to rap around a wolfs neck, hence choking with one arm is possible. If the wolf decides to stop biting the one limb and try to escape the choke, then you can simply use both arms to choke. An arm that's bit is not incapacitated, and can still be used. A wolf will not be able to completely damage every single muscle in the arm or enough muscles to completely incapacitate it. It's a lose lose for the wolf: If the wolf decides to latch on, it's getting choked out by one arm. If it stops latching on, it's getting choked out by both arms.
In conclusion, you are wrong, for the reasons I provided it is highly likely for the unarmed average man in the right mindset to beat any canine in a fight. Getting bit on the arm will not result in imminent death, you are completely wrong about this as well. The brachial artery, which is the largest artery in the arm, is deep within the arm, hence a wolf will not be able to get to this artery in time before it is killed by a human that is defending himself.
Therefore killing a wolf should be pretty easy for any human.
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