@zgtfreak said:
Yo, since I don't read comics, I only know of Pre-recton Beyonder's general power level, but I was wondering... Do you think there is anyone in Umineko aside from Aurora who can take on a high-end interpretation of Beyonder (I don't mean the omnipotent acting dumb interpretation), and if not high-end, could they take on a mid or low-balled Pre-rec?
The strongest we can make Beyonder is the highballing interpretations from the following.
A. That the Beyond Realm is 26,640,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse and its Abstracts and denizens like Molecule Man, Living Tribunal and Eternity because it is stated that the Marvel Multiverse was just a droplet to an ocean for Beyonder.
B. Next is that the power difference between Molecule Man (who was stronger than Eternity and LT who was already Infinite-D Abstracts during Secret Wars. Take note that LT and Eternity both bowed to MM at Secret Waars) and Beyonder is the same difference between Molecule Man and Captain America which was stated by MM on panel. Many debaters do not agree with this statement because MM and Beyonder seemingly stalemated one another, while others say that Beyonder was just holding back.
But if MM was correct, that would mean that Beyonder is several infinitexinfinitexinfinite....etc. and eternia times more powerful than MM who was more powerful than Living Tribunal who was more powerful an Infinite-D abstract like Eternity who already embodied Marvel's Infinite-D Multiverse at the time.
Since the stated power difference multiplied between a 3Dmensional Captain America and an above-Infinite-D+ Molecule Man is the same number of times that Beyonder was stronger than Molecule Man and that's insane since Beyonder makes Infinite-D+ stronger than LT and Eternity characters look like infinitesimal 3D beings compared to himself if what MM is saying is true.
This is the reason why many Beyonder critics hate that scan of MM saying that Beyonder was that strong. And often times counter the scaling method with Beyonder's shortings. It makes Beyonder look extremely overpowered.
Beyonder fans like to rationalize it while Beyonder critics hate rationalizing it. Me personally, I just see Beyonder's entire story as one big giant plot induced stupidity that renders Beyonder too controversial to exactly pinpoint.
C. Beyonder stated that the Marvel Multiverse was a microbe indistinguishable from his imagination. That it can all disappear at his imaginary whim. It's kind of weird for him to say that IMO due to Beyonder's shortings, but he did say that.
That said, from scaling method B, it's very difficult for me to find an entity who can really rival Beyonder that is not Featherine.
There are a few more, I read Secret Wars. The thing is, you can counter several of these with contradicting statements as to how powerful Beyonder is and it does change. But you did ask for the Highball versions where we just ignore all the stupid outliers that Beyonder has been through.
Also, that Beyonder gets to scale to all Post-Secret Wars feats of Living Tribunal which is a controversial issue. Guys like Kilgpmtkra tend to be conservative on that issue, others are like the former member here death2heretics doesn't see a problem with it. I personally don't have an issue on either account because LT and Eternity were not so prominent at that point, Eternity was in fact stated to embody the Multivese in Secret Wars and was still stated to be below LT in power.
ON OTHER BEYONDER INTERPRETATIONS
What I would consider a normally midballed Beyonder (others disagree) is agreeing with the certain estimation that he is only a million times more powerful than Infinite-D. So he is equal to the power of, if we get 1 million numbers of Infinite-D beings.
I think Battler and Ange could take on normally interpreted 1 MillionXInfinite-D Beyonder though from what I hear from your scaling methods.
A lowballed Beyonder is sometimes just Baseline Multiversal for those who don't believe in Dimensional tiering around here. Or just Baseline Infinite-D since Beyonder was called Infinite-D (another contradicting statement to other power level estimations). Which I think even WH40K Chaos Gods can take on like Khorne in the Warp.
Take note that I don't like arguing for Cosmic Comic characters anymore. Nowadays I just like to explain the context and analysis of a writer's intent and their mistakes when writing these characters.
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