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#1 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8909 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.infowars.com/black-lives-matter-supporter-who-threatened-to-massacre-16-white-students-allowed-back-on-campus/

Thoughts?

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#2 Posted by AlphaQ (6356 posts) - - Show Bio

He should be expelled tbh. Threatening to execute other students is no joke. It's irresponsible to let him back, really.

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#3 Posted by Overmonitor (1515 posts) - - Show Bio

OP used a noun as a verb in the title.

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#4 Posted by Victoryyy (53 posts) - - Show Bio

The school should just write the kid up. Usually people who make threats are talking out of there @ss.. People who are harmful do it. Not talk the talk.

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#5 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8909 posts) - - Show Bio

@goro said:

The school should just write the kid up. Usually people who make threats are talking out of there @ss.. People who are harmful do it. Not talk the talk.

He planned it out pretty carefully lol

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#6 Posted by EdBlank (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

The way things are going these days, anyone who would even say something like that needs to be locked up.

- A Black Guy

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#7 Posted by MrHamWallet (3194 posts) - - Show Bio

He should be arrested, but in our PC crazy world that'd be racist.

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#8 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

Clearly, the school should ban anybody who threatens to kill other students in a spree killing. However, I'm a little skeptical on any story coming out of InfoWars. Anybody have a non-conspiracy website source for this?

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#9 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8909 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch said:

Clearly, the school should ban anybody who threatens to kill other students in a spree killing. However, I'm a little skeptical on any story coming out of InfoWars. Anybody have a non-conspiracy website source for this?

The source has sources......

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#10 Posted by LondonBFR (412 posts) - - Show Bio

No they shouldn't be expelled.

It's obvious that minorities will experience fear and anger towards their natural oppressors. I can identify with this.

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#11 Posted by darthdeadpool (1278 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch: why would you automatically discredit the site when mainstream news is known to lie and twist the truth more than anyone. Not to mention there are sources in the article. Also as we speak donald trump is on the Alex jones show.

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#12 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

No they shouldn't be expelled.

It's obvious that minorities will experience fear and anger towards their natural oppressors. I can identify with this.

I totally understand. I ran out of gas in my car the other day in the middle of the road in a bad neighborhood. I was feeling scared and angry when a cop came up to check on why I was blocking the road, and I screamed, "I'm going to kill all you pigs!," and the cop just laughed and said, "I understand. We all threaten to murder people when we have a bad day. Thankfully, you have immunity from any crime as long as you feel fear or anger. Have a good day, sir."

True story.

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#13 Posted by LondonBFR (412 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch:

This is the kind of thing that should happen rather than black lives being slaughtered mercilessly on the street. Police should have empathy for the minorities who fear everday that they'l GET KILLED because they're behaviors deviate from the compliance of their authoritarian liking.

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#14 Edited by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

@londonbfr said:

@batwatch:

This is the kind of thing that should happen rather than black lives being slaughtered mercilessly on the street. Police should have empathy for the minorities who fear everday that they'l GET KILLED because they're behaviors deviate from the compliance of their authoritarian liking.

Oh sure, I agree 100%. A cop's main job is to coddle the feelings of people, and it's crucial that he treat people differently based on their race. Terroristic threatening might be bad for a white guy, but for a black guy, it's just his way of expressing his innermost feelings. You can't make it a crime to express feelings, can you? Certainly not. The double standards you advocated is completely justified.

It's really just the logical continuation of the values Martin Luther King articulated when he said, "I have a dream, that one day my children will be judged not by the content of their character but on whether or not they have black skin and feel oppressed."

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#15 Posted by silkyballfro94 (8685 posts) - - Show Bio

That moron should've been expelled. Who the hell wants to go to school with someone like that?

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#16 Posted by shihan (1575 posts) - - Show Bio

He should be expelled

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#17 Posted by phantomjolt (727 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Edited by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

If he was white and male he would not have been allowed back, simple.

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#19 Posted by ericfightshard (9 posts) - - Show Bio

@goro said:

The school should just write the kid up. Usually people who make threats are talking out of there @ss.. People who are harmful do it. Not talk the talk.

True but some of the stuff these days makes no sense. Like this kid is talking crap but he is still let back in, 20,000+ Syrians refugees are coming to Canada but our government thinks not ONE person is radicalized or belongs to ISIS and Vanilla Ice is still alive. (Jimmy from South Park's voice) I mean coooooome oooon!

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#20 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch: why would you automatically discredit the site when mainstream news is known to lie and twist the truth more than anyone. Not to mention there are sources in the article. Also as we speak donald trump is on the Alex jones show.

I haven't automatically discredited InfoWars. I've checked out their site, looked up their claims and I've found them to frequently rely on baseless claims. I agree that the media frequently distorts the truth through framing and omission of key details, but they at least usually have some basis in fact. InfoWars on the other hand is a conspiracy theory website. When you quote from a conspiracy theory website, you run the risk of discrediting yourself and whatever movement you represent.

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#21 Posted by cattlebattle (17729 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't be racist nor rape or kill white people because of systematic oppression, blah, blah, reverse racism stuff or whatever they teach kids in sociology courses these days.

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#22 Posted by Chimeroid (9267 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not 100% sure about laws in US but where i come form threatening to kill someone is a crime and warrants a 30 day in jail.

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#23 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not 100% sure about laws in US but where i come form threatening to kill someone is a crime and warrants a 30 day in jail.

It's a crime here too. I'm not sure on the exact statutes, but it's definitely illegal.

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#24 Edited by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay so...after actually reading about it here are the facts.

1. He's being charged with crimes and faces 5 years in prison.

2. He's in home detention until trial, after which if he is found guilty he will most likely spend multiple years in prison.

3. The judge ruled that he may be allowed to return to classes legally (dumbass idea), but the school has not said that they would accept him back yet. It's entirely possible, and likely that they will expel him for the threats.

In conclusion yeah it's kind of ridiculous, but it's not nearly as ridiculous as the click-bait title portrays it.

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#25 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

If he was white and male he would not have been allowed back, simple.

lol

@lunacyde said:

Okay so...after actually reading about it here are the facts.

1. He's being charged with crimes and faces 5 years in prison.

2. He's in home detention until trial, after which if he is found guilty he will most likely spend multiple years in prison.

3. The judge ruled that he may be allowed to return to classes legally (dumbass idea), but the school has not said that they would accept him back yet. It's entirely possible, and likely that they will expel him for the threats.

In conclusion yeah it's kind of ridiculous, but it's not nearly as ridiculous as the click-bait title portrays it.

qft

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#26 Posted by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

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#27 Posted by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

Yeah, well you're an idiot.

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#28 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger85:

If your goal is to limit the power of government, maybe you shoulsnt advocate that people be killed for terroristic threatening before they even go to trial. Just food for thought.

@lunacyde:

Thanks for the info.

Also, this is a good example of why you don't use InfoWars as a source.

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#29 Edited by SilverPool (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

@londonbfr: That's great you identify with what could have been a school shooter. Hope somebody's keeping an eye on you.

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#30 Edited by SilverPool (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope someone's bullying the f#ck out of this kid now.

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#31 Posted by Ryagan (5193 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely should be expelled. Threatening to kill people is frowned upon.

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#32 Posted by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch said:

@avenger85:

If your goal is to limit the power of government, maybe you shoulsnt advocate that people be killed for terroristic threatening before they even go to trial. Just food for thought.

@lunacyde:

Thanks for the info.

Also, this is a good example of why you don't use InfoWars as a source.

You're welcome. Also I agree they are a misleading source, however in this case they at least had links leading to some sources that seemed legitimate.

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#33 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:
@batwatch said:

@avenger85:

If your goal is to limit the power of government, maybe you shoulsnt advocate that people be killed for terroristic threatening before they even go to trial. Just food for thought.

@lunacyde:

Thanks for the info.

Also, this is a good example of why you don't use InfoWars as a source.

You're welcome. Also I agree they are a misleading source, however in this case they at least had links leading to some sources that seemed legitimate.

I don't know that InfoWars is actively trying to promote lies. I suspect they just report everything as if it's true without doing any research. I've found that they often just repeat things that they pick up off blogs or in chain e-mails. They do a lot of damage to people like me who do want a radically smaller government but don't believe every story ever told about the government.

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#34 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (8630 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't give him an education... he doesn't need it.

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#35 Posted by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:
@avenger85 said:

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

Yeah, well you're an idiot.

Yeah well you're a liberal hippie. I'd rather be an idiot than a commie hipster ;)

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#36 Posted by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't give him an education... he doesn't need it.

What he needs is a 5.56mm full metal jacket round to the cranium.

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#37 Posted by LEGACY6364 (7441 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech goes both ways.

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#38 Posted by AlphaQ (6356 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol.

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#39 Posted by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:
@avenger85 said:

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

Yeah, well you're an idiot.

Yeah well you're a liberal hippie. I'd rather be an idiot than a commie hipster ;)

You do realize that hippies and hipsters are not the same thing right.

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#40 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio
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#41 Edited by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:
@avenger85 said:
@lunacyde said:
@avenger85 said:

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

Yeah, well you're an idiot.

Yeah well you're a liberal hippie. I'd rather be an idiot than a commie hipster ;)

You do realize that hippies and hipsters are not the same thing right.

Same turd, different derriere

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#42 Posted by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

@avenger85: They aren't even close to the same thing.

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#43 Edited by Eeshaan1685 (3517 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:

@avenger85: They aren't even close to the same thing.

They're the same stupid crap. And equally annoying.

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#44 Edited by Dextersinister (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

Freedom of speech goes both ways.

joke? just in case it isn't declaring your are going to do something is not covered, the law takes your word that you have intent to do those actions.

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#45 Posted by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:

@avenger85: They aren't even close to the same thing.

They're the same stupid crap. And equally annoying.

Well despite you still being wrong I'm neither. If you were to ask people I went to school with what "group" I fit into jock would easily be the answer you get the most. So wrong, yet again.

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#46 Posted by Rubear (4651 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:
@avenger85 said:

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

Yeah, well you're an idiot.

Yeah well you're a liberal hippie. I'd rather be an idiot than a commie hipster ;)

You do realise that liberals and communists are not the same thing right?)

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#47 Posted by Lunacyde (28253 posts) - - Show Bio

@rubear said:
@avenger85 said:
@lunacyde said:
@avenger85 said:

I'd have had him shot just to prevent another school massacre.

Yeah, well you're an idiot.

Yeah well you're a liberal hippie. I'd rather be an idiot than a commie hipster ;)

You do realise that liberals and communists are not the same thing right?)

This guy knows what he's talking about ^

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#48 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch said:

However, I'm a little skeptical on any story coming out of InfoWars. Anybody have a non-conspiracy website source for this?

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/11-ad-hominem-circumstantial

If I said, "It's from InfoWars, so it cant' be true," that would be an ad hominem attack, but expressing skepticism based on a source is not an ad hominem attack. The first example draws an illogical conclusion. The second draws no conclusion but seeks to confirm a story from an unreliable source.

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#49 Edited by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch: Did you read the link? There is a difference between 'ad hominem' and 'ad hominem circumstantial'. Just because you don't like the source that doesn't mean the facts are untrue. What if they did a report that said, "The sky is blue"? Would you still be skeptical based on the source?

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#50 Posted by BatWatch (5487 posts) - - Show Bio

@batwatch: Did you read the link? There is a difference between 'ad hominem' and 'ad hominem circumstantial'. Just because you don't like the source that doesn't mean the facts are untrue. What if they did a report that said, "The sky is blue"? Would you still be skeptical based on the source?

I already addressed this in my last comment, but I'll try to rephrase it here. I would indeed be guilty of ad hominem circumstantial if I said, "This story is from media matters, so it can't be true," but I didn't say that. I NEVER SAID THE STORY WAS INVALID; therefore, I did not make an ad hom cir statement.

Saying a source cannot be true is ad hom cir. Saying a source may be true but is not necessarily reliable is not.

As far as the "Sky is blue" report, I would not view it with skepticism because this is a general truth. If it said anything unusual about the sky, then I'd verify it with an outside source before I trusted it.