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#51 Posted by Prudence the Wooden Pickle (226 posts) - - Show Bio

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@Count Bleck said:
" @vuviper said:
" @Count Bleck: Do you think it'll make a difference which kind? If so you could explain why  Grizzly's never have to face an opponent as powerful as the Siberian Tiger. They compete with Grey Wolves and cougars and occasionally eat a black bears  Siberian Tigers regularly prey on bears roughly the size of a Grizzly "
A kodiak island grizzly can weigh about a ton.  A grizzly only 2/5ths that size can kill a one ton moose with one blow.  A tiger hit by that would die instantly. "
One ton is 2,200 LB; that is a far to big for a bear. And the average Kodiak Brown Bear & Alaskan Grizzly Bear in the wild are about 1,000 LB. That is about as much as Russian Brown Bears, tigers sometimes prey on those.

Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle.  
tigers have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include Water buffalo, gaur ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.
90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles. 
  
Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina. 
 
A tiger will defeat a grizzly.
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#53 Posted by CortSether (1868 posts) - - Show Bio
@TigerWarrior said:
" @Count Bleck said:
" @vuviper said:
" @Count Bleck: Do you think it'll make a difference which kind? If so you could explain why  Grizzly's never have to face an opponent as powerful as the Siberian Tiger. They compete with Grey Wolves and cougars and occasionally eat a black bears  Siberian Tigers regularly prey on bears roughly the size of a Grizzly "
A kodiak island grizzly can weigh about a ton.  A grizzly only 2/5ths that size can kill a one ton moose with one blow.  A tiger hit by that would die instantly. "
One ton is 2,200 LB; that is a far to big for a bear. And the average Kodiak Brown Bear & Alaskan Grizzly Bear in the wild are about 1,000 LB. That is about as much as Russian Brown Bears, tigers sometimes prey on those.

Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle.  tigers have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include Water buffalo, gaur ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles.   Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
You use that same argument every time and it's flawed. Siberian Tiger will NOT beat a grizzly.
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#54 Posted by Tyler Starke (4328 posts) - - Show Bio

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#55 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @TigerWarrior said:
" @Count Bleck said:
" @vuviper said:
" @Count Bleck: Do you think it'll make a difference which kind? If so you could explain why  Grizzly's never have to face an opponent as powerful as the Siberian Tiger. They compete with Grey Wolves and cougars and occasionally eat a black bears  Siberian Tigers regularly prey on bears roughly the size of a Grizzly "
A kodiak island grizzly can weigh about a ton.  A grizzly only 2/5ths that size can kill a one ton moose with one blow.  A tiger hit by that would die instantly. "
One ton is 2,200 LB; that is a far to big for a bear. And the average Kodiak Brown Bear & Alaskan Grizzly Bear in the wild are about 1,000 LB. That is about as much as Russian Brown Bears, tigers sometimes prey on those.

Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle.  tigers have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include Water buffalo, gaur ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles.   Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
You use that same argument every time and it's flawed. Siberian Tiger will NOT beat a grizzly. "

@Count Bleck said:
"A male 1,500 pound Kodiak bear would defeat any felid to have ever lived.  Including the "saber toothed" Machairodontidaes.  Although Marchairodus Kabir, The American and European Cave Lions,  and Smilodon Populator would have a good shot.   The saber-toothed cats would not immediately try to bite the bear though, their sabre's are weak in the middle and can easily break there, as a matter of fact, their skulls in general were fragile, with this trait 
 
Atleast I have back up and dont shout out something without thinking, idiot!
And count bleck, a smilodon had 1 feet canines and was strong enough to kill a mammoth so I don't think a kodiak would be out of it's range.
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#56 Posted by CortSether (1868 posts) - - Show Bio
@TigerWarrior said:
" @CortSether said:
" @TigerWarrior said:
" @Count Bleck said:
" @vuviper said:
" @Count Bleck: Do you think it'll make a difference which kind? If so you could explain why  Grizzly's never have to face an opponent as powerful as the Siberian Tiger. They compete with Grey Wolves and cougars and occasionally eat a black bears  Siberian Tigers regularly prey on bears roughly the size of a Grizzly "
A kodiak island grizzly can weigh about a ton.  A grizzly only 2/5ths that size can kill a one ton moose with one blow.  A tiger hit by that would die instantly. "
One ton is 2,200 LB; that is a far to big for a bear. And the average Kodiak Brown Bear & Alaskan Grizzly Bear in the wild are about 1,000 LB. That is about as much as Russian Brown Bears, tigers sometimes prey on those.

Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle.  tigers have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include Water buffalo, gaur ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles.   Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
You use that same argument every time and it's flawed. Siberian Tiger will NOT beat a grizzly. "

@Count Bleck said:
"A male 1,500 pound Kodiak bear would defeat any felid to have ever lived.  Including the "saber toothed" Machairodontidaes.  Although Marchairodus Kabir, The American and European Cave Lions,  and Smilodon Populator would have a good shot.   The saber-toothed cats would not immediately try to bite the bear though, their sabre's are weak in the middle and can easily break there, as a matter of fact, their skulls in general were fragile, with this trait 
 
Atleast I have back up and dont shout out something without thinking, idiot!
And count bleck, a smilodon had 1 feet canines and was strong enough to kill a mammoth so I don't think a kodiak would be out of it's range.
"
Seriously, get the hell out noob if you're gonna be an insulting prick.
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#57 Posted by Lunacyde (28180 posts) - - Show Bio

The Grizzly wins. It has the strength to crush the Tigers skull or break it's neck/back with one mighty swipe of it's paw. The Bear has much MUCH denser bone structure, thick armor-like layers of fat and fur, and long sharp 5 inch claws that will tear through flesh. The Tiger's main method of attack is to go for the neck, a terrible choice against a grizzly bear because of their extremely thick protection in that area. Grizzly bears have thick layers of loose fat and fur around the neck protecting vital organs and arteries.
Basically it's like a Lamborghini vs. an Abrams Tank.

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#58 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether: 
 
No need to cry, I am just telling the truth. A tiger will defeat a grizzly.
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#59 Posted by Lunacyde (28180 posts) - - Show Bio
@TigerWarrior said:
" @CortSether:  No need to cry, I am just telling the truth. A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
Your name doesn't show any bias lol.
I already gave an argument as to why the Grizzly would win, care to share how I am wrong?
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#61 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lunacyde said:
" @TigerWarrior said:
" @CortSether:  No need to cry, I am just telling the truth. A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
Your name doesn't show any bias lol. I already gave an argument as to why the Grizzly would win, care to share how I am wrong? "


I will tell you where you are wrong: 
 
I will tell you why a grizzly is acctually NOT stronger then a tiger.  
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle 
 
And a bears hide will actually NOT save the grizzly, crocodiles have a thinker and tougher hide then a grizzly bear does, and the tiger is still capable of killing them.

 

And did you know that a bears claws are NOT SHARP, they are designed to deliver a hammerblow, a tigers speed and agility will alow it to avoid that blow. 
 
And did you know that 90 percentage of a grizzly bears diet is vegitarion, when it hunts is is usually small mammals, fish or rodents. A grizzly will ONLY attack a bison or moose if there is no food for miles, bears don't like taking these risks.

 

Let's list the tigers advantages: more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  
 
What do you have?

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#62 Edited by Lunacyde (28180 posts) - - Show Bio

I will tell you why a grizzly is acctually NOT stronger then a tiger.  
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle 


All interesting, but nothing conclusively proving a tiger is stronger. Grizzly Bears have crushed the skulls and snapped the backs of animals such as lions, Bulls, cape buffalo, Bison, Moose, Elk, Caribou, etc.  Furthermore Large Cats are built differently. Their bone and muscle structure is built for explosive jumping abilities and chasing down prey.   The grizzly bear on the other hand evolved enormous bone and muscle density from the fact that they often dig and claw around in rough hard ground. The bone strength and muscle density of your average Grizzly is roughly ten times that of your average human per pound. 
 
 

And did you know that 90 percentage of a grizzly bears diet is vegitarion, when it hunts is is usually small mammals, fish or rodents. A grizzly will ONLY attack a bison or moose if there is no food for miles, bears don't like taking these risks.



Lets not confuse the ability to hunt prey with the ability to fight another animal face to face. Tigers are fantastic predators, but the techniques and tools for hunting prey, and those for fighting are markedly different. Tigers usual shy away from, and are apprehensive in a fight situation according to many big cat trainers. Furthermore a Grizzlies omnivorous traits are part of the reason it wins here. It is not a great Predator, but the traits it has evolved from being omnivorous, such as it's powerfully built body, incredible durability and strength and tough claws make it more attuned to a fighting situation.
 

 And a bears hide will actually NOT save the grizzly, crocodiles have a thinker and tougher hide then a grizzly bear does, and the tiger is still capable of killing them. 


 
It's not the pure thickness of the hide, its the fact that it is loose, not allowing the tiger to get inside to the vital parts. The tiger will possibly tear up the hide, but won't get to any of the really important organs or arteries. 
 
 

Let's list the tigers advantages: more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  

 
You are incorrect. Firstly the bite pressure of an average Grizzly is about 4,000 lbs/sq. Inch. Upper estimates for the Siberian Tiger say 1275 lbs/sq. Inch. Tigers are not better fighters than bears. Tigers in general do not like to fight, neither do bears, however the bear is more well equipped to fight. I have not seen any proof that Tigers are any smarter than bears either.
 
As far as the bears advantages I have already listed them, but I will surely repeat them for you. They are stronger, more durable, and physiologically far better suited to a face to face confrontation. Their loose thick hide and fur takes away a tiger's preferred method of attack.
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#63 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lunacyde said:
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I will tell you why a grizzly is acctually NOT stronger then a tiger.  
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle 


All interesting, but nothing conclusively proving a tiger is stronger. Grizzly Bears have crushed the skulls and snapped the backs of animals such as lions, Bulls, cape buffalo, Bison, Moose, Elk, Caribou, etc.  Furthermore Large Cats are built differently. Their bone and muscle structure is built for explosive jumping abilities and chasing down prey.   The grizzly bear on the other hand evolved enormous bone and muscle density from the fact that they often dig and claw around in rough hard ground. The bone strength and muscle density of your average Grizzly is roughly ten times that of your average human per pound. 
 
 

And did you know that 90 percentage of a grizzly bears diet is vegitarion, when it hunts is is usually small mammals, fish or rodents. A grizzly will ONLY attack a bison or moose if there is no food for miles, bears don't like taking these risks.



Lets not confuse the ability to hunt prey with the ability to fight another animal face to face. Tigers are fantastic predators, but the techniques and tools for hunting prey, and those for fighting are markedly different. Tigers usual shy away from, and are apprehensive in a fight situation according to many big cat trainers. Furthermore a Grizzlies omnivorous traits are part of the reason it wins here. It is not a great Predator, but the traits it has evolved from being omnivorous, such as it's powerfully built body, incredible durability and strength and tough claws make it more attuned to a fighting situation.
 

 And a bears hide will actually NOT save the grizzly, crocodiles have a thinker and tougher hide then a grizzly bear does, and the tiger is still capable of killing them. 


 
It's not the pure thickness of the hide, its the fact that it is loose, not allowing the tiger to get inside to the vital parts. The tiger will possibly tear up the hide, but won't get to any of the really important organs or arteries. 
 
 

Let's list the tigers advantages: more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  

 You are incorrect. Firstly the bite pressure of an average Grizzly is about 4,000 lbs/sq. Inch. Upper estimates for the Siberian Tiger say 1275 lbs/sq. Inch. Tigers are not better fighters than bears. Tigers in general do not like to fight, neither do bears, however the bear is more well equipped to fight. I have not seen any proof that Tigers are any smarter than bears either.  As far as the bears advantages I have already listed them, but I will surely repeat them for you. They are stronger, more durable, and physiologically far better suited to a face to face confrontation. Their loose thick hide and fur takes away a tiger's preferred method of attack. "


You are correct about bull, bison and moose but not about cape buffalo. a grizzly lives in North America and buffalo in Africa so you are wrong there. A lion (weaker than a tiger) can knock out a zebra neck in one blow, Zebras have more muscle  than a moose so there is no saying a grizzly is actually stronger! And a grizzly 10 times stronger than a man pound for pound? so are you telling me a 1200 Lb grizzly would be 60 times stronger than a 200 Lb man? That is impossible, because the african elephant; which is the strongest living land animal is about as strong as 20 men. A tiger is as strong as 12 men, and a grizzly I don't know but I doubt if it is any more than 10-11 men.

 

And having greater hunting and fighting experience will surely help the tiger fight, hunting includes fighting and killing youre prey. That is what a tiger is made for, they kill gaur; those massive beast can reach up the 4000 Lb sometimes! And a grizzly has indeed a powerfull build body but no stronger than the brutal tiger.

 

A lions neck is better protected than that from a bear, they have a loose mane that is much better protection than the bears fur, jet in India; where the last population of Asiatic Lions live, tiger sre capable of killing a lion with a neckbite, so even the bears loose fur won't save it to the tigers 4 inch razor sharp canines.

 
A bear has a biteforce of 4000 Psi? A saltwater crocodile has the highest bite of any animal, which is 2,500 Psi. A grizzly bears bite is only about one fifth of what you told me; 800 Psi. A tiger has a biteforce of 1,083 Psi and a hyena has the highest of any mammal 1,200 Psi. 
In nature bears rarely use their bite, unlike the tiger, that is why the tigers jaws are a lot better developed than those from the bear. 

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@TigerWarrior said:
" @Lunacyde said:
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I will tell you why a grizzly is acctually NOT stronger then a tiger.  
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle 


All interesting, but nothing conclusively proving a tiger is stronger. Grizzly Bears have crushed the skulls and snapped the backs of animals such as lions, Bulls, cape buffalo, Bison, Moose, Elk, Caribou, etc.  Furthermore Large Cats are built differently. Their bone and muscle structure is built for explosive jumping abilities and chasing down prey.   The grizzly bear on the other hand evolved enormous bone and muscle density from the fact that they often dig and claw around in rough hard ground. The bone strength and muscle density of your average Grizzly is roughly ten times that of your average human per pound. 
 
 

And did you know that 90 percentage of a grizzly bears diet is vegitarion, when it hunts is is usually small mammals, fish or rodents. A grizzly will ONLY attack a bison or moose if there is no food for miles, bears don't like taking these risks.



Lets not confuse the ability to hunt prey with the ability to fight another animal face to face. Tigers are fantastic predators, but the techniques and tools for hunting prey, and those for fighting are markedly different. Tigers usual shy away from, and are apprehensive in a fight situation according to many big cat trainers. Furthermore a Grizzlies omnivorous traits are part of the reason it wins here. It is not a great Predator, but the traits it has evolved from being omnivorous, such as it's powerfully built body, incredible durability and strength and tough claws make it more attuned to a fighting situation.
 

 And a bears hide will actually NOT save the grizzly, crocodiles have a thinker and tougher hide then a grizzly bear does, and the tiger is still capable of killing them. 


 
It's not the pure thickness of the hide, its the fact that it is loose, not allowing the tiger to get inside to the vital parts. The tiger will possibly tear up the hide, but won't get to any of the really important organs or arteries. 
 
 

Let's list the tigers advantages: more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  

 You are incorrect. Firstly the bite pressure of an average Grizzly is about 4,000 lbs/sq. Inch. Upper estimates for the Siberian Tiger say 1275 lbs/sq. Inch. Tigers are not better fighters than bears. Tigers in general do not like to fight, neither do bears, however the bear is more well equipped to fight. I have not seen any proof that Tigers are any smarter than bears either.  As far as the bears advantages I have already listed them, but I will surely repeat them for you. They are stronger, more durable, and physiologically far better suited to a face to face confrontation. Their loose thick hide and fur takes away a tiger's preferred method of attack. "


You are correct about bull, bison and moose but not about cape buffalo. a grizzly lives in North America and buffalo in Africa so you are wrong there. A lion (weaker than a tiger) can knock out a zebra neck in one blow, Zebras have more muscle  than a moose so there is no saying a grizzly is actually stronger! And a grizzly 10 times stronger than a man pound for pound? so are you telling me a 1200 Lb grizzly would be 60 times stronger than a 200 Lb man? That is impossible, because the african elephant; which is the strongest living land animal is about as strong as 20 men. A tiger is as strong as 12 men, and a grizzly I don't know but I doubt if it is any more than 10-11 men.

 

And having greater hunting and fighting experience will surely help the tiger fight, hunting includes fighting and killing youre prey. That is what a tiger is made for, they kill gaur; those massive beast can reach up the 4000 Lb sometimes! And a grizzly has indeed a powerfull build body but no stronger than the brutal tiger.

 

A lions neck is better protected than that from a bear, they have a loose mane that is much better protection than the bears fur, jet in India; where the last population of Asiatic Lions live, tiger sre capable of killing a lion with a neckbite, so even the bears loose fur won't save it to the tigers 4 inch razor sharp canines.

 
A bear has a biteforce of 4000 Psi? A saltwater crocodile has the highest bite of any animal, which is 2,500 Psi. A grizzly bears bite is only about one fifth of what you told me; 800 Psi. A tiger has a biteforce of 1,083 Psi and a hyena has the highest of any mammal 1,200 Psi. 
In nature bears rarely use their bite, unlike the tiger, that is why the tigers jaws are a lot better developed than those from the bear. 

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1. Settlers in California brought in Cape Buffalo, and later Male Lions from Africa to have Pit Fights with Grizzlies in the late 1800's.
2. Where are you getting Zebras have more muscle than a Moose?
3. 10x denser muscle and bone structure, not strength. Read what I wrote closer.
4. Hunting and fighting are not the same thing. If you can't understand this then I don't know what to tell you.
5. A bears neck is much larger than a lions, it's muscle and bone density is much greater, and the Bears hide is much looser than a lions. The Tiger will get the hide, but not anything vital.
6.I will have to research bite pressure/force more carefully, my source is questionable now that I looked into it, however it doesn't change much considering the bear would use it's powerful clubbing arms as it's main offensive weapon.
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#65 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lunacyde:

1. Those where spanish bulls, you cannot compare a domenestic bull with a cape buffalo, the skul of a buffalo is much broader. The buffalo is also bigger and stronger than a bull

2. A moose is a deer, a zebra is a horse, at the same weight a horse is naturally stronger. Not by much but it is. 

3. that is still impossible pound for pound, because about 20% of our human body is skeleton, how can that from a grizzly bears be 200% ? 
And still, the tigers more muscular body makes it up for the bears heavier bones.

 

4. Jet, if you are hunting on an animal as massive and strong as a gaur, you need to know how to kill, those killing insticts can help you in a fight. You are correct when you say hunting & fighting isn't the same but if you are good at one, it can help you in the other.

 

5. A lions mane is looser than a bears hide, you are also forgeting that in siberia, which is not only home to the Siberain tiger but also the Russian brown bear, the tiger does kill those bears with a neck bite, a Russian Brown bear is atleast as large if not larger than an Alaskan Grizzly. A tigers 4 inch canines are simply to sharp for any beast to handle, including bears.

 

6. The tigers speed, agility and mobility will alow it to avoid those clubbing arms. 

http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/top-15-smartest-and-most-intelligent-animals/     
As you can see in the top 15 smartest animals the cat is on number 9 while the bear is nowhere on the list. Cats are smarter than bears.  
 
Seriously? A tiger will defeat a bear.
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#66 Edited by DEGRAAF (8422 posts) - - Show Bio

i would say Grizzley bear most of the time but not 100 out of 100 
 
what about a male Komodo Dragon (8 ft long, 200 lbs) vs a female American Alligator (8 ft long, 500 lbs ) 
  
on the bank of a river. The river runs along a grassy plain. the mokodo dragon is out looking for food for himself and the female alligator is along the bank laying in the water searching for food while her eggs are near by 
 
Below are a few facts about each
    

The Komodo dragon's keen sense of smell, if aided by favorable wind, enables it to seek out carrion. Dead and decaying flesh.up to 5 miles (8.5 kilometers) away.  Despite its size, the Komodo is fast moving and agile. They can climb trees and like all monitor lizards they are good swimmers.

Their teeth are laterally compressed with serrated edges, resembling those of flesh-eating sharks. They have about 60 teeth that they replace frequently and are positioned to cut out chunks of its prey.  The highly flexible skull allows it to swallow large pieces of its food. The Komodos mouth is full of virulent bacteria and even if its prey survives the original attack, it will die of infection later. In addition, recent research suggests that the Komodos have a venom gland which is more important in disabling their prey. 
 
Alligators travel very quickly in water and while they are generally slow-moving on land, alligators can lunge short distances very quickly. They have five claws on each front foot and four on each rear foot. American Alligators have the strongest laboratory measured bite of any living animal, measured at up to 9,452 newtons (2,125  lbf) in laboratory conditions. It should be noted that this experiment has not (at the time of the paper published) been replicated in any other crocodilians. Some alligators are missing an inhibited gene for melanin, which makes them albino. These alligators are extremely rare and practically impossible to find in the wild. They could survive only in captivity. Like all albino animals, they are very vulnerable to the sun and predators. American Alligators can remain underwater for several hours if not actively swimming or hunting (then it's only about 20 minutes); they do this by rerouting blood to reduce circulation to the lungs, and thus the need for oxygen

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#67 Posted by Knightly1 (3553 posts) - - Show Bio
@DEGRAAF said:
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i would say Grizzley bear most of the time but not 100 out of 100 
 
what about a male Komodo Dragon (8 ft long, 200 lbs) vs a female American Alligator (8 ft long, 500 lbs ) 
  
on the bank of a river. The river runs along a grassy plain. the mokodo dragon is out looking for food for himself and the female alligator is along the bank laying in the water searching for food while her eggs are near by 
 
Below are a few facts about each
    

The Komodo dragon's keen sense of smell, if aided by favorable wind, enables it to seek out carrion. Dead and decaying flesh.up to 5 miles (8.5 kilometers) away.  Despite its size, the Komodo is fast moving and agile. They can climb trees and like all monitor lizards they are good swimmers.

Their teeth are laterally compressed with serrated edges, resembling those of flesh-eating sharks. They have about 60 teeth that they replace frequently and are positioned to cut out chunks of its prey.  The highly flexible skull allows it to swallow large pieces of its food. The Komodos mouth is full of virulent bacteria and even if its prey survives the original attack, it will die of infection later. In addition, recent research suggests that the Komodos have a venom gland which is more important in disabling their prey. 
 
Alligators travel very quickly in water and while they are generally slow-moving on land, alligators can lunge short distances very quickly. They have five claws on each front foot and four on each rear foot. American Alligators have the strongest laboratory measured bite of any living animal, measured at up to 9,452 newtons (2,125  lbf) in laboratory conditions. It should be noted that this experiment has not (at the time of the paper published) been replicated in any other crocodilians. Some alligators are missing an inhibited gene for melanin, which makes them albino. These alligators are extremely rare and practically impossible to find in the wild. They could survive only in captivity. Like all albino animals, they are very vulnerable to the sun and predators. American Alligators can remain underwater for several hours if not actively swimming or hunting (then it's only about 20 minutes); they do this by rerouting blood to reduce circulation to the lungs, and thus the need for oxygen

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I actually did a project on Komodo Dragons. I say male Komodo. They can grow fairly big and their bites are venomous(it's been proven.) So one good bite and the Komodo could kill the alligator, even if it dies first by the alligators mighty jaws. 
Also, just because a tiger is good at hunting and stalking prey, that doesn't mean they are naturally good at fighting. That's like saying because someone is good at pushups that they are good at being able to be good at jumping jacks. Ergo, just because they can do 100 push-ups doesnt mean they can do 100 jumping jacks. Although they are done to help out muscles, they do different things for different muscles. Being able to ride a bike and being able to ride a motorcycle is also a good example.
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#68 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio

Tiger Wins
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#69 Posted by CortSether (1868 posts) - - Show Bio
@TigerWarrior said:
" Tiger Wins "
Get over it. 
 
And no.
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#70 Posted by capall (8206 posts) - - Show Bio

the bear already dealt with the tiger ages ago

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#71 Edited by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @TigerWarrior said:
" Tiger Wins "
Get over it.   And no. "

Yes, are you prepared to say how I am wrong.
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#72 Posted by StormyWolf (2 posts) - - Show Bio

sry tiger wins

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#73 Posted by StormyWolf (2 posts) - - Show Bio

@windcloud: Actually that would never happen, and if that does happen, the tiger will simply run away because tigers never pounce on their prey when they are facing them. Lets pretend it happens, the tiger pounces, a 700 pound compact muscled missile springing towards you from over 12 feet away, it will surely topple the bear. Then, before the bear has time to regain its bearings, it will crush the bears throat as the bear struggles to swat and kill the siberian tiger but the tiger has already won. Sorry but tiger wins, hard as it is to believe.

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#75 Edited by Epicbeast3000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

Siberian Tiger wins. Siberian Tigers have been known to prey on Kamchatkan Brown bear which are actually larger than the Grizzly bear. Plus Siberian tigers are faster and more agile, thus allowing them to out manoeuvre the bear and win.

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#76 Posted by Bruxae (18147 posts) - - Show Bio

Grizzly.

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#77 Edited by Epicbeast3000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

A tiger has a bite force of 1000lbs so it can penetrate the bears fat, and if the tiger can use its agility to kill the bear, it could win.

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#78 Posted by comicdude23 (11902 posts) - - Show Bio

Bear would overpower the Tiger and use it's longer claws to win.

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#79 Posted by comicdude23 (11902 posts) - - Show Bio

@CortSether:

No need to cry, I am just telling the truth. A tiger will defeat a grizzly.

WRONG.

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#80 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

Siberian Tigers have really powerful paws too, and can crush a bull's skull with a single paw swipe. Tigers also hunt down gaurs, which weigh 3300lbs max. The Siberian Tiger can weigh up to 675lbs, while your average grizzly weighs 800-1000lbs. The tiger could win if it outmanouvers the bear, but the bear could take it down with raw strength.

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#81 Posted by modernww2fare (7047 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't you watch Animal Face-off?

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#82 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde: Dude a bear cannot bite at 4000 psi, the max a bear bites at is like 1250psi, which is not far from a tiger who bites at 1095psi.

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#83 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

@modernww2fare: Animal Face-Off is really dumb. The animation sucks, and the fights are about as accurate as Deadliest warrior. They had a gorilla beat a leapord, and a asiastic lion beat a tiger. That is really dumb.

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#84 Edited by modernww2fare (7047 posts) - - Show Bio

@epicbeast3000: Hey, I used to love that show when I was younger. It wasn't that bad, except- yeah... You can't really rely on computer simulations to prove which animal will always win

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#85 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

@modernww2fare: It is a cool show, except the fights are not really very accurate.

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#86 Edited by modernww2fare (7047 posts) - - Show Bio

@modernww2fare: It is a cool show, except the fights are not really very accurate.

I want to hear what you thought of every episode's fights :)

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#87 Edited by RustyRoy (16610 posts) - - Show Bio

Tiger wins 7/10, its faster, smarter, more agile and far more ferocious.

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#88 Posted by AndreySemyonov1337 (1226 posts) - - Show Bio

Bear

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#89 Posted by MetalGOD (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Grizzly

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#90 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (12848 posts) - - Show Bio

Putting all my money on Da Bear.

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#91 Posted by Experio (18215 posts) - - Show Bio

Tiger

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#92 Posted by The_Deathstroker (8094 posts) - - Show Bio

Human Centipede

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#93 Posted by Eisenfauste (17366 posts) - - Show Bio

The bear has good damage soak, though I would give it to the tiger based on speed, power, and how quickly it can strike an opponent or maneuver around it.

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#94 Posted by NighThunder (7725 posts) - - Show Bio

Grizzly

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#95 Posted by Eisenfauste (17366 posts) - - Show Bio

I hunt and kill them both and mount their heads above my fireplace.

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#96 Edited by DaredevilDD78 (1736 posts) - - Show Bio

Grizzly

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#97 Posted by RaimundoPedrosa (736 posts) - - Show Bio

At parity, the tiger wins hands down. At average weights, though, since the grizzly is a lot bigger, this fight is not as clear cut. Grizzlies are equipped to take down prey smaller than them, whereas tigers take down pretty 3-4 times larger, even young healthy elephants and Rhinos, though by ambush.

Their strength is more or less equal, and they have different advantages, against each other.

Perfect 50/50 split.

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#98 Posted by xeno12121212 (104 posts) - - Show Bio

Siberian tiger wins

it would use its claws to rip the bear apart and bite at its neck till it crushes it's windpipe suffocating it