I often wonder about this concerning GOD and Abortion. If The Almighty is the one whom forms Humans in the Womb as the Bible claims at times. Why is it that The Almighty would tend to form a Human with someone who may not want the Child ? I understand the nature of uh "Other Processing" that occurs with Children coming to be concerning Nature but if The Almighty is the one really behind Children being formed, why would he choose to bring Children into the World with some Women who would be Unwilling to have them ?
Religion… What do you think?
There are Jews in the world
There are Buddhists
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them
I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm
You don't have to be a six-footer
You don't have to have a great brain
You don't have to have any clothes on You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,
Because
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found
Every sperm is wanted
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted,
CHILDREN:
God get quite irate
Every sperm is sacred
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
CARDINALS:
In your neighbourhood!
Every sperm is useful
Every sperm is fine
God needs everybody's
Mine!
And mine!
And mine!
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is good
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood
Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!
Admittedly, some great art comes out of religion.
Still listeining to it everyday.
Jesus christ is my nigga.
Most religions aren't all that bad its what excuses people come up with while using it as some kind of support to whatever argument or conflict they are choosing to do
Are you aware that an Atheistic belief system (communism) was responsible for more deaths (100 million + in Russia and China) than have died at the hand of all religions throughout history.
I often wonder about this concerning GOD and Abortion. If The Almighty is the one whom forms Humans in the Womb as the Bible claims at times. Why is it that The Almighty would tend to form a Human with someone who may not want the Child ? I understand the nature of uh "Other Processing" that occurs with Children coming to be concerning Nature but if The Almighty is the one really behind Children being formed, why would he choose to bring Children into the World with some Women who would be Unwilling to have them ?
Seriously???
OK, well when a daddy bird and mommy bird love each other very much and are twitterpated, the daddy bird takes the mommy bird back to the bird house and puts on some "Barry White sings the mating call". Mommy bird pretends to have a headache, but daddy bird continues to snuggle up next to mommy bird. Soon daddy bird whips out a worm and a few seconds later, mommy bird is pregnant.
Why are you blaming God for what consenting adults do? I don't understand. Do you think God is suppose to protect us from the consequences of our decisions?
I often wonder about this concerning GOD and Abortion. If The Almighty is the one whom forms Humans in the Womb as the Bible claims at times. Why is it that The Almighty would tend to form a Human with someone who may not want the Child ? I understand the nature of uh "Other Processing" that occurs with Children coming to be concerning Nature but if The Almighty is the one really behind Children being formed, why would he choose to bring Children into the World with some Women who would be Unwilling to have them ?
Seriously???
OK, well when a daddy bird and mommy bird love each other very much and are twitterpated, the daddy bird takes the mommy bird back to the bird house and puts on some "Barry White sings the mating call". Mommy bird pretends to have a headache, but daddy bird continues to snuggle up next to mommy bird. Soon daddy bird whips out a worm and a few seconds later, mommy bird is pregnant.
Why are you blaming God for what consenting adults do? I don't understand. Do you think God is suppose to protect us from the consequences of our decisions?
I feel like you just posted this without really reading what I was saying. My point was that according to the Bible it is GOD who forms Humans in the Womb. Therefore it is up to GOD whether to form us Humans after the "Other Process" is complete or not form us in the womb. GOD could choose not to form a Human at the time of the completion of the "Other Process" since he is in control of the situation according to the Holy Text.
I use Isaiah 44:24 and Jeremiah 1:5 as reference points.
@just_sayin: Any system that isn't humanist will result in top-down persecution and mass slaughter. You ignore that humans are humans, regardless of religion and there will be good ones and bad ones regardless of ideology, time, or place. Let's look at systems that abandoned religious texts and created positive outcomes via humanism:
- Enlightenment thinkers, including the United States' founding fathers and the French philosophers who inspired them, were hugely deist. They rejected the Bible, divine intervention, and Jesus' divinity. Essentially, this cluster of individuals are as close to atheists as you could get while still subscribing to belief in a god, and their ideology is based on secular metaphysics that assume no traits or desires on a deity whatsoever. They disagreed with religious monarchs and systems that believed that concepts of social equality were absurd, and this disagreement changed the world forever.
- A study carried out by Phil Zuckerman shows that the 50 safest cities in the world are secular, and this pattern is true for states within the US as well. States where belief in God are the strongest and most widespread have the highest levels of murder, type II offenses, teenage pregnancy, and unprotected sex among teens. This data is corroborated by Pew Research Center and Gallup Poll.
- Following Pew and Gallup, the evidence also shows that countries have negative correlations to religiosity. Those that are most secular have the highest standards of living, greatest levels of education, and people are most willing to give back to their society and help others. On the other hand, countries with the highest religiosity follow the same pattern as states within the US, where highly religious nations have the lowest standards of living and the highest rates of crime.
Atheism doesn't automatically yield positive outcomes. China and Russia are atheist countries but they do not practice humanism. But religious belief, whether widespread or not, is not an empirically greater predictor of positive outcomes than humanism either. Counting deaths under each belief system is a fallacious metric because history demands a multivariate analysis with factors like technological advancement, turn-of-the-century population explosion, and sociological attitudes. Ergo, it would be a mistake to assume atheist systems are worse than religious ones based on deaths alone. The evidence discounts such a value judgment.
I often wonder about this concerning GOD and Abortion. If The Almighty is the one whom forms Humans in the Womb as the Bible claims at times. Why is it that The Almighty would tend to form a Human with someone who may not want the Child ? I understand the nature of uh "Other Processing" that occurs with Children coming to be concerning Nature but if The Almighty is the one really behind Children being formed, why would he choose to bring Children into the World with some Women who would be Unwilling to have them ?
Seriously???
OK, well when a daddy bird and mommy bird love each other very much and are twitterpated, the daddy bird takes the mommy bird back to the bird house and puts on some "Barry White sings the mating call". Mommy bird pretends to have a headache, but daddy bird continues to snuggle up next to mommy bird. Soon daddy bird whips out a worm and a few seconds later, mommy bird is pregnant.
Why are you blaming God for what consenting adults do? I don't understand. Do you think God is suppose to protect us from the consequences of our decisions?
I feel like you just posted this without really reading what I was saying. My point was that according to the Bible it is GOD who forms Humans in the Womb. Therefore it is up to GOD whether to form us Humans after the "Other Process" is complete or not form us in the womb. GOD could choose not to form a Human at the time of the completion of the "Other Process" since he is in control of the situation according to the Holy Text.
I use Isaiah 44:24 and Jeremiah 1:5 as reference points.
I'm not following. What are you saying? That God shouldn't let a baby be conceived if it will be terminated in the womb?
I feel like you just posted this without really reading what I was saying. My point was that according to the Bible it is GOD who forms Humans in the Womb. Therefore it is up to GOD whether to form us Humans after the "Other Process" is complete or not form us in the womb. GOD could choose not to form a Human at the time of the completion of the "Other Process" since he is in control of the situation according to the Holy Text.
I use Isaiah 44:24 and Jeremiah 1:5 as reference points.
I'm not following. What are you saying? That God shouldn't let a baby be conceived if it will be terminated in the womb?
Almost Perfect. GOD should not form a baby in the womb if he knows it will be Terminated.
@just_sayin: Any system that isn't humanist will result in top-down persecution and mass slaughter. You ignore that humans are humans, regardless of religion and there will be good ones and bad ones regardless of ideology, time, or place. Let's look at systems that abandoned religious texts and created positive outcomes via humanism:
- Enlightenment thinkers, including the United States' founding fathers and the French philosophers who inspired them, were hugely deist. They rejected the Bible, divine intervention, and Jesus' divinity. This cluster of individuals disagreed with religious monarchs who believed that concepts of social equality were absurd, and they changed the world forever.
- A study carried out by Phil Zuckerman shows that the 50 safest cities in the world are secular, and this pattern is true for states within the US as well. States where belief in God are the strongest and most widespread have the highest levels of murder, type II offenses, teenage pregnancy, and unprotected sex among teens. This data is corroborated by Pew Research Center and Gallup Poll.
- Following Pew and Gallup, the evidence also shows that countries have negative correlations to religiosity. Those that are most secular have the highest standards of living, greatest levels of education, and people are most willing to give back to their society and help others. On the other hand, countries with the highest religiosity follow the same pattern as states within the US, where highly religious areas will have the lowest standards of living and the highest rates of crime.
Secularism does not yield positive outcomes. China and Russia are atheist countries but they do not practice humanism. Religion, whether widespread or not, is not an empirically greater predictor of positive outcomes than humanism. Counting deaths under each belief system is a fallacious metric that doesn't consider multivariate factors like technological advancement, turn-of-the-century population explosion, and sociological attitudes. Ergo, it would be a mistake to assume atheist systems are worse than religious ones. The evidence discounts such an assertion.
As someone who spent a lot of time in Cuba, let me assure you that communism tends toward tyranny. In Cuba you will go to jail if you accidently kill a cow that is in the road, because the cows belong to Castro. I'm not sure that atheistic systems tend to be very humane. In my experience, they are indifferent to human suffering. I have never seen an atheist at Christmas time delivering toys to a needy child.
Deists? Really? I encourage you to go check out the Library of Congress' faith of our fathers section:
https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9805/religion.html
Did you know that 1/3 of the signers of the Declaration were pastors of Christian Churches? did you know that all 13 colonies original charters mention that they were established for the glory of God or Christ? Did you know that the first official act of the U.S. government was to pray. It was a 4 hour prayer meeting at the invitation of Benjamin Franklin, considered one of the least religious founding father's. That's pretty good for a bunch of Deists? Did you know that for our early presidents the job also meant being the President of the American Bible Society? Washington said that the US could only exist if it was based upon the Bible and the principles written therein. Daniel Webster was emphatic that the US was founded as a Christian nation.
Let's take Thomas Jefferson as an example of the faith of the early fathers. Misinformed often reduce him to a deist and say that he wrote his own version of the Bible to get rid of the miracles. This is inaccurate. Jefferson was the president of the American Bible society. He taught a weekly Bible study and wrote extensive lessons (not saying he was an evangelical - but more than a deist). He edited the Bible to focus on the words of Jesus because he believed it was the best way to reach and convert American Indians, which he sent missionaries to win to Christ on the government dime and to give them Bibles, paid for by the US government. On the day following his writing of the famous letter to the Danbury Baptists that spoke of separation of church and state, he went to church - guess where? In center of the main congress building, where he had the government pay the minister - this was a practice he started. He wanted our national symbol to be a Christian image. And he is considered one of the least spiritual founding fathers.
@just_sayin: Communism in of itself is no more atheistic than a republic or direct democracy. Not once does Karl Marx say communism must be atheist. In fact, he said that spirituality is a necessary part of a fulfilled life; you're talking about what dictators declared. As for the rest of your point, I said that humanism is the greater predictor of humane treatment, not atheism automatically nor religion automatically. But it's fallacious to claim a governmental/economic system is automatically theist or atheist and then say one is worse on virtue of death count (one variable) when history is multivariate and our data all over the world shows that your value judgment is wrong. I'm sorry you haven't seen an atheist deliver toys to children on Christmas, but in terms of safety, standard of living, education levels, and accessible benefits for all of society, I'd rather live in a secular, low-religiosity state because those are the best areas according to the data. There's no need to theorize on personal anecdote when we have empirical and quantifiable evidence on the level of countries.
The three most influential writers of the Declaration of Independence rejected the things I listed: Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams. You're mistaken on Jefferson; he rejected Jesus' divinity and thought him to be a moral idol, not an actual god. Christianity, to him, was a symbolic way of keeping moral order but whether he believed its claims is another matter entirely.
I don't know how signing the document is relevant when those people didn't draft it, though I could've worded better that it was a secular ideology that led to a positive outcome (since your issue was with systems). Again, these concepts listed in our government are metaphysics; a philosophical standpoint removed from theology. If we're just going to talk about people's idiosyncratic beliefs, that proves my point: People are people and it's a mixed bag regardless of ideology, time, or place. My argument tackles ideas rather than people. And from the standpoint of ideas, secular Enlightenment precepts tore down age-old religious European ideology; the French revolution was the first domino to topple over monarchies so that secular government took hold in Europe.
I feel like you just posted this without really reading what I was saying. My point was that according to the Bible it is GOD who forms Humans in the Womb. Therefore it is up to GOD whether to form us Humans after the "Other Process" is complete or not form us in the womb. GOD could choose not to form a Human at the time of the completion of the "Other Process" since he is in control of the situation according to the Holy Text.
I use Isaiah 44:24 and Jeremiah 1:5 as reference points.
I'm not following. What are you saying? That God shouldn't let a baby be conceived if it will be terminated in the womb?
Almost Perfect. GOD should not form a baby in the womb if he knows it will be Terminated.
Curious, do you think God shouldn't let people be born if they will die prematurely or horribly?
From a Christian perspective, death is not the end, but a transition into eternity. A child who dies in the womb would go to heaven. Why would He prevent that?
@just_sayin said:
Most religions aren't all that bad its what excuses people come up with while using it as some kind of support to whatever argument or conflict they are choosing to do
Are you aware that an Atheistic belief system (communism) was responsible for more deaths (100 million + in Russia and China) than have died at the hand of all religions throughout history.
What does this have anything to do with my argument? I'm very aware of communism and i openly say "fascists" are not as bad as commies as I believe they are the worst style of government imo. Regardless though religion has been used for a much longer time frame for "just" reasons to go to war, keep in mind I'm not even talking about the crusades or the christians either. I mean almost all religions have been used at one point or another for war ranging from mythology to Islam
Most religions aren't all that bad its what excuses people come up with while using it as some kind of support to whatever argument or conflict they are choosing to do
Are you aware that an Atheistic belief system (communism) was responsible for more deaths (100 million + in Russia and China) than have died at the hand of all religions throughout history.
bigot & hypocrite logic - 101
it's pretty dumb to judge atheism based on communism, atheism has nothing to do with communism nor politics
this is a perfect example of bad logic
Survival of the fittest.
Compete and win and rise higher than weaker people.
Get what you can while you are alive
Enjoy your life for it will be over soon
I feel like you just posted this without really reading what I was saying. My point was that according to the Bible it is GOD who forms Humans in the Womb. Therefore it is up to GOD whether to form us Humans after the "Other Process" is complete or not form us in the womb. GOD could choose not to form a Human at the time of the completion of the "Other Process" since he is in control of the situation according to the Holy Text.
I use Isaiah 44:24 and Jeremiah 1:5 as reference points.
I'm not following. What are you saying? That God shouldn't let a baby be conceived if it will be terminated in the womb?
Almost Perfect. GOD should not form a baby in the womb if he knows it will be Terminated.
Curious, do you think God shouldn't let people be born if they will die prematurely or horribly?
From a Christian perspective, death is not the end, but a transition into eternity. A child who dies in the womb would go to heaven. Why would He prevent that?
Well choices can lead to dying prematurely or dying horribly, not unless you mean they have some horrible sickness or something. Need more information. In any case, GOD has the power to heal people from disease anyways so it's kind of weird to think GOD would allow that to happen much.
Then what is the point of living this life if GOD can simply take us all to Heaven before we come to be in this world ? Would not GOD save himself a lot of trouble even beyond this by just creating us all in Heaven and just bypassing this world altogether ?
@king_saturn: If there's free will in heaven, you go to hell after getting in, anyway. Lucifer was in heaven but look what happened to him.
@spareheadone: He can go back to hell again.
@spareheadone: Then this is pointless and so is your meme-worthy Darwinian strawman of an atheist view, a view that every social scientist and contemporary thinker on morality has abandoned since the days of Herbert Spencer. Bye.
@king_saturn: If there's free will in heaven, you go to hell after getting in, anyway. Lucifer was in heaven but look what happened to him.
This is sort of what my response to Just Sayin would have been. If Free Will exists in Heaven then it essentially makes this Life on Earth pointless. Also, If we can die as little children and go back to Heaven then GOD essentially can take someone born in Sin back to Heaven without them even knowing who or what a Jesus Christ is.
Lucifer will be redeemed after it has been punished for an eon of eons
Well I hope he has got his act together by then. We would not want him messing stuff up again. Lucifer could be one of those Hard Headed Kids that never really learn their lesson.
what i really don't get is, why does god have a penis? he's supposed to be eternal so he always existed, and he made humans in his image... so he always had a penis, but why?
i'm just joking sorry it's silly
Maybe, GOD has both a Penis and a Vagina. Perhaps the Almighty prefers us using He and They as his Pronouns.
:P
Lucifer is just God at his worst.
He will burn and there will not be much left of him when he comes out.
Lucifer is just God at his worst.
He will burn and there will not be much left of him when he comes out.
Is GOD really getting rid of Lucifer if he is going to burn him up ? I mean maybe there is still some Lucifer inside of the Almighty if he is to use such measures.
exactly. God knows evil intimately. God is refining himself in fire but he will always be a little devil
In the beginning all this was The Self alone, like a person alone. He looked around and saw nothing else than Self. He first said “This is I” therefore He became “I” by name. Therefore even now, if a man is asked, he first says. “This is I” and then pronounces the other name which he may have. And because prior to all this, The Self had burnt down all sins, therefore He is Purusha [The Man]. Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.4.1
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And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world; Revelation 13:8
I feel like you just posted this without really reading what I was saying. My point was that according to the Bible it is GOD who forms Humans in the Womb. Therefore it is up to GOD whether to form us Humans after the "Other Process" is complete or not form us in the womb. GOD could choose not to form a Human at the time of the completion of the "Other Process" since he is in control of the situation according to the Holy Text.
I use Isaiah 44:24 and Jeremiah 1:5 as reference points.
I'm not following. What are you saying? That God shouldn't let a baby be conceived if it will be terminated in the womb?
Almost Perfect. GOD should not form a baby in the womb if he knows it will be Terminated.
Curious, do you think God shouldn't let people be born if they will die prematurely or horribly?
From a Christian perspective, death is not the end, but a transition into eternity. A child who dies in the womb would go to heaven. Why would He prevent that?
Well choices can lead to dying prematurely or dying horribly, not unless you mean they have some horrible sickness or something. Need more information. In any case, GOD has the power to heal people from disease anyways so it's kind of weird to think GOD would allow that to happen much.
Then what is the point of living this life if GOD can simply take us all to Heaven before we come to be in this world ? Would not GOD save himself a lot of trouble even beyond this by just creating us all in Heaven and just bypassing this world altogether ?
My question deals with two underlying issues - is the unborn life less valuable in the eyes of God than any other human life, and what rights do you think God has. (I'm dropping the value of life discussion, because I think the God discussion is much more appropriate here).
A recurring element of the discussions we have, from my perspective, seems to deal with "can God play God?". What obligations does he have to us. I believe that God is the creator and the supreme moral lawgiver. As creator, it would seem to me, he has the right to do with his creations whatever he chooses. We have no more right to tell God he doesn't have permission to do something to us than a painting has the right to tell the artist how it must be painted. Except for a few isolated incidents in the Bible such as telling Anna and Simeon that they would live to see the Messiah, and a few others here and there, I am not aware of God making a sweeping promise to people that they had the right to live even a second beyond whatever he willed. The same goes for suffering. I am unaware of God making any binding agreement that we would be free from suffering or calamity. As the supreme moral lawgiver it would seem that he alone can make those binding rules upon himself. Surely, we don't have the authority to make up the moral rules for the Supreme moral lawgiver. So, I am wondering how your position on God doing both good and evil is really any different than saying "God isn't 100% good because he doesn't give me everything I want"?
To answer you last set of questions, I guess you'd have to decide on when a life or soul begins and when it ends. If it begins at a point in this universe for us, then it seems that we begin to exist in this universe, so a function of this universe is to help life come into being. That's a good purpose. Your other questions seems to deal with the classic westminster shorter catechism:
Q. What is the chief end of man?
A. Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever.
Maybe living in a temporal world where God's presence is not as obvious, and our heartfelt response to Him in worship and love, has something to do with it. It seems like you are asking why we aren't like angels.
My question deals with two underlying issues - is the unborn life less valuable in the eyes of God than any other human life, and what rights do you think God has. (I'm dropping the value of life discussion, because I think the God discussion is much more appropriate here).
A recurring element of the discussions we have, from my perspective, seems to deal with "can God play God?". What obligations does he have to us. I believe that God is the creator and the supreme moral lawgiver. As creator, it would seem to me, he has the right to do with his creations whatever he chooses. We have no more right to tell God he doesn't have permission to do something to us than a painting has the right to tell the artist how it must be painted. Except for a few isolated incidents in the Bible such as telling Anna and Simeon that they would live to see the Messiah, and a few others here and there, I am not aware of God making a sweeping promise to people that they had the right to live even a second beyond whatever he willed. The same goes for suffering. I am unaware of God making any binding agreement that we would be free from suffering or calamity. As the supreme moral lawgiver it would seem that he alone can make those binding rules upon himself. Surely, we don't have the authority to make up the moral rules for the Supreme moral lawgiver. So, I am wondering how your position on God doing both good and evil is really any different than saying "God isn't 100% good because he doesn't give me everything I want"?
To answer you last set of questions, I guess you'd have to decide on when a life or soul begins and when it ends. If it begins at a point in this universe for us, then it seems that we begin to exist in this universe, so a function of this universe is to help life come into being. That's a good purpose. Your other questions seems to deal with the classic westminster shorter catechism:
Q. What is the chief end of man?
A. Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever.
Maybe living in a temporal world where God's presence is not as obvious, and our heartfelt response to Him in worship and love, has something to do with it. It seems like you are asking why we aren't like angels.
I feel like you side stepped the whole GOD's character aspect of this. It's not so much that GOD is obligated to give us a perfect life as the issue is if GOD's character is of Love and Mercy then his nature would be to desire to give us a better life without so much suffering. So it should happen from GOD's own desire for it to be so.
You could glorify GOD and enjoy him forever in Heaven though. That really gets us no real answer to my question.
Yeah, but if GOD can essentially take Babies and Young Ones back to Heaven without even experiencing him here on Earth, then why not just make everyone in Heaven ? This world essentially becomes pointless and what makes it worse is that essentially the end goal is to be in Heaven with GOD or some new utopia on Earth anyways. Do humans become Angels when they die and go to Heaven ?
God is looking out of your eyes and feeling with your skin
God is tasting with your tongue, hearing with your ears and smelling with your nose.
God is reading this with your mind
God is looking out of your eyes and feeling with your skin
God is tasting with your tongue, hearing with your ears and smelling with your nose.
God is reading this with your mind
I don't know why but for some reason when I read some of your posts it reminds me of Reptile from Mortal Kombat 1 on the Sega Genesis and how he would jump down from the top of the screen and then there would be a cryptic statement written backwards near the health bars and then he would jump off the screen.
I am Reptile, find me
I will... Tip Eht Fo Mottob ?
John 2:1-11:
And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
God doesn't exist, and Jesus never had magical holy powers. When I was younger and ventured into church, I always felt out of place, even sick to my stomach; there were times where I've thrown-up, becoming hot and profusely sweaty. So, I have stayed my fat ass away from there and don't regret ever leaving that whole mess behind me. Ghosts are very real, though, and it's not a matter of believing but knowing; I'd be damned if I didn't say I had experiences, too. I've had out-of-body exposure, as well, which wasn't as fun as I had hoped. As I'm surrounded by nutty religious family members, it's almost unbearably irritating to be ignored about my beliefs or lack thereof. I must say that since my departure from that disgusting and ugly side of life, I've felt much better.
@spareheadone: Rune magicks, to an extent.
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