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Satan was created evil from the beginning

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religion sucks in my opinion

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#27753  Edited By dshipp17

@king_saturn:

“Well people say that these things happen. Is there footage of an event like this happening in real time ? For instance someone growing a limb recorded after prayers have been done for it ? It would be hard to deny what was happening then.”

There is a description of the event that I described on an episode of "It's Supernatural" on TBN, as the quickest that I can remember. But, there are many other examples from current or past similar programs by Christian networks.

Why does it make a difference if it involved growing a limb for you? For the person who had an answered prayer, that was a medical miracle, they are more then content. In the circumstances described by people following alter calls, it is also hard to deny that God answered their prayers. Since I have many answered prayers, seeing what you suggest would only be icing on the cake for me.

Just because it was recorded or something widely released doesn't mean that it didn't happen. As an example, people might get specialized jobs or win an employment case that had a profound effect on the way litigation can go forward, but, you'd have to either be in employment trouble yourself to require their case to help you or be in deep employment law study in order to discover it.

Something that has been selectively excluded from public view by an entitled feeling news editor or storyteller shouldn't then lead to the conclusion that their view is the only thing that exists; that's allowing yourself to be willfully manipulated about certain information and then taking that to spread willful misinformation for people who might have a legitimate means to know something for a very important decision in their life, but, for your misinformation, become lead astray and confused, but can grow into a know it all, not considering misinformation that they received.

One thing that I've learned with life experience is to try not to make any sweeping generalizations about anything except about the goodness of God and Christianity. But, I just learned some profound information about questions that I was struggling with about whether or not God would grant me entry into Heaven, when the time came; but, thanks to this person's YouTube channel, Michael Pearl, I had gripping questions resolved. And, I've gotten second opinions plus my own experience with the Bible to validate his opinions and suggestions.

I also use this to tell when someone is using the word to try to draw people towards their view of how things should be and learn to exclude them as misleading and needing to grow; as an example: porn addiction or a recovering addict; most people get this totally wrong and you can tell that it's based on their shortsightedness and lack of experience and them trying to fill in information that isn't actually in the Bible to make you fill condemned; but, Micheal Pearl has a very good explanation, were we to assume that porn addiction was actually a sin; and, someone else gets it right by suggesting that it could lead to committing a sin, which is more closely aligned with the Bible.

Aside from 1 Corinthians, 1 John 1:6 is helpful for Christians; this verse tells you that you aren't in jeopardy of losing your salvation, because you might be struggling with something or a sin, as long as you're a contrite Christian; and Romans tells us that being an accepting Christian is believing in Jesus and His work on the cross, not trying to struggle with perfectly conforming with Old Testament Law; you get the Hold Spirit and He will be your guide, even though you might backslide every now and then, especially with being a recovering addict of whatever type, as long as you understand 1 John 1:6 and always approach God, in the name of Jesus, with contrition; thus, if you grieve the Holy Spirit too often, as a true Christian, you get chastised by God, as a form of His love and looking out for you, as I've experienced several times.

But, often times, you need God to lead you to someone like Mr. Pearl to help clarify a fog that might develop over time. I thought this was important to say, mostly because of my own recent confusions. Recent confusion was the result of people being deceived by near death experiences and souls in Hell from another YouTube channel; but, Mr. Pearl makes a good case that they are probably deceptive visions from Satan, where they conflict with 1 John 1:6 or suggesting that salvation can be lost easily for a contrite person who has truly become Christian for having not conformed with Old Testament Law or something that isn't even in the Bible such as financial debts that you're unable to pay back.

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#27754  Edited By dshipp17
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But thought that each book of the bible got more true as you went along whereby Genesis is totally made up and each one gets more true until you get to John then they stay true until you get to Revelation which is total garbage. Is that what you were taught?

No, it's just something that people might think, where they've created an unbalanced educational view between what they're listening to from their science teachers versus what they're unaware of from the scholarly Christian community, instead confining themselves to the teachings of their pastors, theology, church, in general, as their only come back. The Christian science community has information that the professors are responding to, where the Christian science community is likewise updating their responses for these new responses from your science teaches and sometimes newer textbook releases.

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@dshipp17: The simple answer to your reply is GOD causing a person to have a limb regrow and it being recorded would be almost impossible to dispute compared to other claims about GOD healing an internal organ or some other type of sickness. We have seen Medical Science help humans recover in ways that it could be difficult to tell if GOD healed someone or they got better from Medicine or Treatment. That is not the case with a person regrowing a limb as that would be a wonder beyond Medical Science altogether.

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My pastor and a few others just came back from Israel where they claim to have healed a man.

All I can say is that I'm sick of hearing about it and I want to experience it.

The difference between me and my pastor is that he prays for people everywhere he goes and I almost never do.

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But I heard that Jesus was the second Adam because Adam didn't really exist and that also that Satan is actually Jesus in disguise. Isn't that what it says in Philemon?

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Mark 12:13-27:

And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

14 And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?

15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's.

17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

18 Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,

19 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

20 Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.

21 And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.

22 And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.

23 In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.

24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

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But I heard that Jesus was the second Adam because Adam didn't really exist and that also that Satan is actually Jesus in disguise. Isn't that what it says in Philemon?

What you're bordering on here is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit my man; never tribute God's works to Satan; clearly, Philemon doesn't say something like that, all; for your own sake,. just abandon further delving in this throughout process before you do something that Jesus cannot for give you of; just stop all process in the vein right where you are and just forget about it, literally; now, I see why God lead me to one of Mr. Pearl's videos and it's to precaution you and others who read this by you. Jesus being the second Adam is preached thousands of times in mainstream churches on Sundays and doesn't mean what you say, at all; it'as another reference to being a born again Christian by accepting the works of Jesus, believing on Jesus, and accepting him as your Lord and Savior.

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@dshipp17: The simple answer to your reply is GOD causing a person to have a limb regrow and it being recorded would be almost impossible to dispute compared to other claims about GOD healing an internal organ or some other type of sickness. We have seen Medical Science help humans recover in ways that it could be difficult to tell if GOD healed someone or they got better from Medicine or Treatment. That is not the case with a person regrowing a limb as that would be a wonder beyond Medical Science altogether.

It really doesn't matter what the most stubborn people argue, if you've experienced a personal miracle; it's about presenting objective evidence, examples, and illustrations; some people just need to reconcile what they'd prefer to believe with that of objective reality; our goal is to help the people who are reasonable minded, is the answer to this amendment. No, medical science hasn't ruled out God as the provider of miracles and it's not even close; again, I presented the story of a 12 year girl last holiday season who was literally waiting to pass away, until the prayers of her family and Christian intercessors caused God to perform a miracle, in the name of Jesus, and heal that little girl; and this happens readily, even through years into the most advanced and modern medicine, yet along it extending back to Jesus.

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@dshipp17 said:
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@dshipp17: The simple answer to your reply is GOD causing a person to have a limb regrow and it being recorded would be almost impossible to dispute compared to other claims about GOD healing an internal organ or some other type of sickness. We have seen Medical Science help humans recover in ways that it could be difficult to tell if GOD healed someone or they got better from Medicine or Treatment. That is not the case with a person regrowing a limb as that would be a wonder beyond Medical Science altogether.

It really doesn't matter what the most stubborn people argue, if you've experienced a personal miracle; it's about presenting objective evidence, examples, and illustrations; some people just need to reconcile what they'd prefer to believe with that of objective reality; our goal is to help the people who are reasonable minded, is the answer to this amendment. No, medical science hasn't ruled out God as the provider of miracles and it's not even close; again, I presented the story of a 12 year girl last holiday season who was literally waiting to pass away, until the prayers of her family and Christian intercessors caused God to perform a miracle, in the name of Jesus, and heal that little girl; and this happens readily, even through years into the most advanced and modern medicine, yet along it extending back to Jesus.

I think you are missing the point. The point was originally what would be the most significant evidence for GOD and I stated that GOD performing miracles in real time being recorded by someone would be the best evidence for GOD. Now you have to ask what would be the most undisputed type of real time miracle considering the nature of how Medical Science can do wonders of their own for people that can easily be seen as an answer to a potential miracle done by GOD or just the workings of Science. Someone regrowing a limb after prayer in real time would be an almost undisputed event because Science can not be confused or duplicate anything like that in real time. I mean to see a recorded document of someone having an arm or leg restored through prayer by the Almighty would be much harder to dispute than someone who was about to die being prayed for and they recovered because the workings or Medicine and Treatment through Science have saved people from Death before.

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I think we can all agree that supernatural miracles happen all the time and that God often talks to everyone in a way they understand

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@king_saturn:

“I think you are missing the point. The point was originally what would be the most significant evidence for GOD and I stated that GOD performing miracles in real time being recorded by someone would be the best evidence for GOD.”

The example that I pointed out represents significant evidence that is also objective. What real purpose would be served by quivering over evidence versus a specific person's preferred evidence? The evidence is already there to be observed. And, again, just because you're unaware that there is evidence of such doesn't mean that there has never been a recorded incident. I vaguely remember just such a type of evidence that was made available. God usually always heals instantaneously, is the other point that you don't seem to realize; He's just not so limited; that would bring Him down to the level of humans which just isn't possible.

“harder to dispute than someone who was about to die being prayed for and they recovered because the workings or Medicine and Treatment through Science have saved people from Death before.”

You didn't pay attention to the story, last holiday season and also the implication of the my statement: girl was left waiting (or had to be left waiting) to pass away; the medical treatment was clearly not responsible for the girl's recovery, as the physicians had done all they were capable of with modern medical science and could do nothing else for her; the most recent example would be Rep. Cummings, if you can recall; that's where medial treatment left him.

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Mein Gott! Is this argument still going on! (I am Mr_Blobfish just forgot accunt) And guys, chill! Whoever replies first determines who's side I will be on this time.

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@dshipp17 said:

@king_saturn:

“I think you are missing the point. The point was originally what would be the most significant evidence for GOD and I stated that GOD performing miracles in real time being recorded by someone would be the best evidence for GOD.”

The example that I pointed out represents significant evidence that is also objective. What real purpose would be served by quivering over evidence versus a specific person's preferred evidence? The evidence is already there to be observed. And, again, just because you're unaware that there is evidence of such doesn't mean that there has never been a recorded incident. I vaguely remember just such a type of evidence that was made available. God usually always heals instantaneously, is the other point that you don't seem to realize; He's just not so limited; that would bring Him down to the level of humans which just isn't possible.

“harder to dispute than someone who was about to die being prayed for and they recovered because the workings or Medicine and Treatment through Science have saved people from Death before.”

You didn't pay attention to the story, last holiday season and also the implication of the my statement: girl was left waiting (or had to be left waiting) to pass away; the medical treatment was clearly not responsible for the girl's recovery, as the physicians had done all they were capable of with modern medical science and could do nothing else for her; the most recent example would be Rep. Cummings, if you can recall; that's where medial treatment left him.

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1. I don't think so. It can easily be explained away that a person got better over time from an Internal Sickness that could have been terminal by several reasons but explaining away someone in real time literally having an arm or leg restored through prayer would be much more difficult for the fact that it's an event you can see the body literally being restored back to fullness in real time. You can not explain it away with Medical Science or that person just got better over time or etc. Well, when you can show a recorded event of a person having an arm or leg restored through prayer, you will have top notch evidence of GOD's power through prayer. If GOD is not limited then why don't we see these events of people having limbs restored on a more regular basis ? It would be the strongest evidence of GOD's Healing Power.

2. The problem with the story is what I have been stating above. GOD healing someone from an Internal Sickness can always be explained away with something whether it's Medical Treatment or the sickness went into Remission and the person recovered over time. Explaining how someone regained a limb would not give you many options to say as an excuse though. That's kind of a low blow there using Rep. Cummings as an example, I mean you don't think people was praying to GOD for Cummings to recover after he got sick ? The girl who recovered got Medical Treatment too right ? So why use Rep. Cummings as an example ?

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Heya king_saturn, guess I am on team atheist now. Soz ma peeps!

Lets get cracking! So, first of all I would refer you to the god-of-the-gaps theory. Lets see what happens, Eh?

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The day rapture comes it’ll be hilarious to see what some of you say.

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Heya king_saturn, guess I am on team atheist now. Soz ma peeps!

Lets get cracking! So, first of all I would refer you to the god-of-the-gaps theory. Lets see what happens, Eh?

We have been discussing atheists appeal to the magical science-of-the-gaps. That's when to address the implications of the universe having a beginning which evidence for the expanding universe strongly suggests that atheists will make appeals to things such as the multiverse, or time-loops that create the universe even though there is no evidence for them, and the background radiation evidence suggests that there is no multiverse. Still, atheists make science-of-the-gaps appeals claiming that even though they can not see it, can not touch it, can not prove it, and the evidence disproves it, their "science" is big enough and powerful enough to create a universe ex nihilo. What's your opinion?

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@king_saturn:

“If GOD is not limited then why don't we see these events of people having limbs restored on a more regular basis ? It would be the strongest evidence of GOD's Healing Power.”

Again, as I said, why quibble over a specific type of evidence? Again, you're getting confused or confusing a news editor or storyteller's decision of what to post with a lack of existence, electing to let them manipulate your judgment. Also, have you done an exhaustive search of your own? It could be there somewhere. I'm sure that there are examples or have been such examples, since the time of Jesus.

“The problem with the story is what I have been stating above. GOD healing someone from an Internal Sickness can always be explained away with something whether it's Medical Treatment or the sickness went into Remission and the person recovered over time. Explaining how someone regained a limb would not give you many options to say as an excuse though. That's kind of a low blow there using Rep. Cummings as an example, I mean you don't think people was praying to GOD for Cummings to recover after he got sick ? The girl who recovered got Medical Treatment too right ? So why use Rep. Cummings as an example ?”

Again, I pointed out and showed that there are two issues with the point that you're trying to make: first, you haven't done an exhaustive search on your own, instead projecting your assumption on reality that it doesn't exist; and, two, you're viewing this one event that I cited, which I said or implied was one of many examples, in isolation. This type of thing happens hundreds of times per year, and has happened that way for many generations, dating back to Jesus. No rational mind could reasonable go away believing that all of those events could be explained away, based on the proximity and timing, following a prayer, if nothing else. The prayer could have been from someone near that person or an intercessory prayer from far off, that no one was aware of, as it would depend on who prayed the prayer.

As to my example, medical treatment was finished with the girl at that stage; nothing went into remission; it was God's healing power. And, I just saw episodes of “It's Supernatural”, one story, where a man walked in with terminal cancer to an alter call and one where a man had a pair of lungs that were diseased; in these cases, there was nothing, at all, that a medical treatment did or could have done for these two men. And, again, I'm basing my examples on actual searching, although I have enough faith in God to know that He works miracles, without having looked, usually, based on works that He's done and is actually doing for me. Being guided by faith, if I chose, I could just do a quick search and find an example, thanks to my faith in God. But, it's unnecessary, because you're clearly just saving face.

Before I mentioned anything, your implication was that nothing was there that could not be attributed to medical science, when, this is just pure baloney. I hope you're just trying to get me to produce some examples and don't actually believe what you're saying on this topic or trying to convince others that what you're saying is something you actually believe, as given the totality of the circumstances, viewing things with the other examples versus in isolation, you'd have to just be plain stupid (e.g. you'd be taking jokes and punchlines way too seriously, or the criticisms of envious individuals who didn't get their prayers answered against the Christians who did get their prayers answered way too seriously; and, thus, in that case, why don't you sympathize with people who have been fired from their jobs more, or people who didn't get their applications accepted more?). I'm sorry, but, it is what it is; you'd have to believe yourself, after you made an attempt to explain away tens of thousands of examples over say just the last 2 years (e.g. both the medical examples and other examples).

What you'd be doing the equivalent of is trying to say that something else is causing things to drop other than the force we refer to as gravity, or, probably, more closely, that, perhaps, at some point, if I mixed sodium and chloride, one day, something other than salt will emerge; and, when it does, you take that explanation versus the thousands of other occasions where salt was produced; that one example would be explained away, not the thousands of other examples. For example, real life: in a number of occasions, medical science can treat cancer, but, on many occasions, it cannot, except people still make or prefer the sweeping generalizations about it and God's ability or lack there of to have been involved in answering a prayer by someone who meet the criteria from the New Testament for an answered prayer from God, which is a faithful Christian of some sort.

In the case of Rep Cummings, he kept his condition secret from the public really well, thereby preventing or limiting the possibility of intercessory prayer from the right type of Christian being able to pray for him.

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@mbatz: When do you believe the "rapture" will happen, and how do you think it will it affect us?

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@iron_tiger: I don’t know, only God knows, Christians are taken up to heaven, the not so God Christians stay on earth during the tribulation period then sinners stay on earth and the anti-christ will rule them, Jews will repent. That’s what will happen during the beginning of rapture also the world will fall into chaos simple as that you wouldn’t want to be here

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@mbatz:

How can I get a ticket to the rapture?

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@dshipp17 said:

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“If GOD is not limited then why don't we see these events of people having limbs restored on a more regular basis ? It would be the strongest evidence of GOD's Healing Power.”

Again, as I said, why quibble over a specific type of evidence? Again, you're getting confused or confusing a news editor or storyteller's decision of what to post with a lack of existence, electing to let them manipulate your judgment. Also, have you done an exhaustive search of your own? It could be there somewhere. I'm sure that there are examples or have been such examples, since the time of Jesus.

“The problem with the story is what I have been stating above. GOD healing someone from an Internal Sickness can always be explained away with something whether it's Medical Treatment or the sickness went into Remission and the person recovered over time. Explaining how someone regained a limb would not give you many options to say as an excuse though. That's kind of a low blow there using Rep. Cummings as an example, I mean you don't think people was praying to GOD for Cummings to recover after he got sick ? The girl who recovered got Medical Treatment too right ? So why use Rep. Cummings as an example ?”

Again, I pointed out and showed that there are two issues with the point that you're trying to make: first, you haven't done an exhaustive search on your own, instead projecting your assumption on reality that it doesn't exist; and, two, you're viewing this one event that I cited, which I said or implied was one of many examples, in isolation. This type of thing happens hundreds of times per year, and has happened that way for many generations, dating back to Jesus. No rational mind could reasonable go away believing that all of those events could be explained away, based on the proximity and timing, following a prayer, if nothing else. The prayer could have been from someone near that person or an intercessory prayer from far off, that no one was aware of, as it would depend on who prayed the prayer.

As to my example, medical treatment was finished with the girl at that stage; nothing went into remission; it was God's healing power. And, I just saw episodes of “It's Supernatural”, one story, where a man walked in with terminal cancer to an alter call and one where a man had a pair of lungs that were diseased; in these cases, there was nothing, at all, that a medical treatment did or could have done for these two men. And, again, I'm basing my examples on actual searching, although I have enough faith in God to know that He works miracles, without having looked, usually, based on works that He's done and is actually doing for me. Being guided by faith, if I chose, I could just do a quick search and find an example, thanks to my faith in God. But, it's unnecessary, because you're clearly just saving face.

Before I mentioned anything, your implication was that nothing was there that could not be attributed to medical science, when, this is just pure baloney. I hope you're just trying to get me to produce some examples and don't actually believe what you're saying on this topic or trying to convince others that what you're saying is something you actually believe, as given the totality of the circumstances, viewing things with the other examples versus in isolation, you'd have to just be plain stupid (e.g. you'd be taking jokes and punchlines way too seriously, or the criticisms of envious individuals who didn't get their prayers answered against the Christians who did get their prayers answered way too seriously; and, thus, in that case, why don't you sympathize with people who have been fired from their jobs more, or people who didn't get their applications accepted more?). I'm sorry, but, it is what it is; you'd have to believe yourself, after you made an attempt to explain away tens of thousands of examples over say just the last 2 years (e.g. both the medical examples and other examples).

What you'd be doing the equivalent of is trying to say that something else is causing things to drop other than the force we refer to as gravity, or, probably, more closely, that, perhaps, at some point, if I mixed sodium and chloride, one day, something other than salt will emerge; and, when it does, you take that explanation versus the thousands of other occasions where salt was produced; that one example would be explained away, not the thousands of other examples. For example, real life: in a number of occasions, medical science can treat cancer, but, on many occasions, it cannot, except people still make or prefer the sweeping generalizations about it and God's ability or lack there of to have been involved in answering a prayer by someone who meet the criteria from the New Testament for an answered prayer from God, which is a faithful Christian of some sort.

In the case of Rep Cummings, he kept his condition secret from the public really well, thereby preventing or limiting the possibility of intercessory prayer from the right type of Christian being able to pray for him.

1. I am not sure if you are fully understanding what I have been saying. The point I am making is that the strongest evidence for GOD is that which is the hardest to dispute with resources available in reality. We know that people have gotten better from internal sickness with Medical Science or even people gotten better on their own from internal sickness but when have you ever seen someone regrow an arm or leg through Medical Science or just on their own ? That's why this specific type of evidence for GOD would be so impactful because it would not be able to easily explain away a person being prayed for and their limb regrowing and this event being recorded. It would be extraordinary in a way never seen.

2. The nature of how a person gets better can indeed be explained away especially considering the circumstances. Like I said, if these examples you give of people getting better are examples of people recovering from internal sickness, something we have seen people recover from before without prayer or use of Medical Science then it's harder to explain this as a miracle done under GOD as the secular person will not accept these events as real evidence for GOD. They could explain it away. However explaining away a person being prayed for and having their arm or leg restored in real time would be very very hard to undercut.

3. So now you are doing insults now ? I think you are salty because you know I am on to something here. Yes, the examples given can indeed be explained away by Science because we know that they body can get better on it's own or medicine can help get the body better again or lastly people can exaggerate a story to make it seem more impressive than it really is. How do you know that the sickness did not go into remission ? That's the problem, the events can be disputed. Just because you believe that GOD healed them does not mean that is what can be proven.

4. That's a lie with your analogy about Gravity, we know how Gravity works and the Phenomena that it is. It is unclear exactly how GOD works as GOD is not a Phenomena we can study quite like Gravity especially when you consider that something that could be attributed to GOD's healing could be attributed to other things happening, from a sickness going into remission to the medicine worked, to shady details of the event being explained.

5. How do you know Rep. Cummings did not have the right type of Christians praying for him in Secret though ? Assume too much...

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I'm not sure you understand what me n dshipp are trying to communicate to you.

Firstly why quizzle over a specific type of evidence? You're clearly getting confused or confusing confusion with puzzlement or confusing a news editor or storyteller's decision of what to post with a lack of existence, electing to let them manipulate your judgment and me n Dshipp's judgment as well as Jesus. Also, have you done an exhaustive search of your own? Have searched every crevice and orafice in the universe? It could be there somewhere. I'm sure that there are examples or have been such examples, since the time of Ronald Reagan.

Again, me n dshipp pointed out and showed that there are eleven issues with the point that frying to make: first, you haven't an exhaust pipe search on your own, instead projecting your noisy muffler on reality that it doesn't exist; and, two, you're viewing this one event that me n dshipp cited, which We said or implied or inferred or alluded to was one of trillions of examples, in isolation.

Third dshipp said you are a git.

Forth you should've prayed for every sick person you ever came across

Fifth, deism sux

Sixth you should just believe or you'll miss the rupture.

Seventh the bible is God

Eighth just shut up and agree with baptist theology

Ninth dshipp hates your guts

Tenth thou shall not be a Homo

Eleventh....well just you wait until judgement day.

This type of thing happens hundreds of times per year, and has happened that way for many generations, dating back to George Bush. No rational mind could reasonable go away believing that all of those events could be explained away, based on the proximity and timing, following a prayer, if nothing else. The prayer could have been from someone near that person or an intercessory prayer from far off, that no one was aware of, or from oscar the grouches can or Gumby and Denali as it would depend on who prayed the prayer.

As to me n Dshipp's example, medical treatment was finished with the girl at that stage; nothing went into remission; it was God's healing power as well as medicine and a good diet and plenty of lime jello. And, me n dshipp just sat together in a bean bag watching episodes of “It's Supernatural”, one story, where a man walked in with terminal cancer to an alter call and one where a man had a pair of lungs that were diseased, then the man with crook lungs walked out with cancer and the man with cancer walked out with crook lungs; in these cases, there was nothing, at all, that a medical treatment did or could have done for these two men except to cure them. And, again, Me n dshipp are basing our examples on actual searching through people's lies, although We have enough faith in God to know that He works miracles because he is the bible, without having looked, usually, based on works that He's done and is actually doing for us. Being guided by faith, if I chose, I could tell dshipp to just do a quick search and find an example, thanks to my faith in God. But, it's unnecessary, because you're clearly just saving face and hair to.

Before me n dshipp mentioned anything, your implication was that nothing was there that could not be attributed to medical science, when, this is just pure baloney and salami with a hint of bacon. I been trying to get dshipp to produce some examples and to actually believe what you're saying on this topic or trying to convince others that what you're saying is something you actually believe, as given the totality of the circumstances, viewing things with the other examples versus in isolation, you'd have to just be a plain stupid idiotic moron with a brain the size of a quark (e.g. you'd be taking jokes and punchlines way too seriously, or the criticisms of envious individuals who didn't get their prayers answered against the Christians who did get their prayers answered way too seriously; and, thus, in that case, why don't you sympathize with people who have been fired from their jobs more, or people who didn't get their applications accepted more? You bastard.) I'm sorry, but, it is what it is; you'd have to believe yourself, after you made an attempt to explain away tens of thousands of trillions of lying examples over say just the last 2 minutes (e.g. both the medical examples and other examples).

What you'd be doing the equivalent of is trying to say that something else is causing things to drop other than the force we refer to as gravity, or, probably, more closely, that, perhaps, at some point, if I mixed sodium and chloride, one day, something other than salt will emerge; and, when it does, you take that explanation versus the thousands of other occasions where salt was produced;verses the option to watch an episode of iron fist that one example would be explained away, not the thousands of other examples. For example, real life: in a number of occasions, medical science can treat cancer, but, on many occasions, it or something similar, except people still make or prefer the sweeping generalizations about it and God's ability or lack there of to have been involved in answering a prayer by someone who meet the criteria from the New Testament for an answered prayer from God, which is a faithful Christian of some sort.

In the case of Rep Cummings, he kept his condition secret from the public really well, thereby preventing or limiting the possibility of intercessory prayer from the right type of Christian being able to pray for him.

So now you understand why me n dshipp are always correct and you now see the error of your ways. We welcome you into our fold brother and look forward to spanking you on the buttocks with the sacred goats tail

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I'm not sure you understand what me n dshipp are trying to communicate to you.

Firstly why quizzle over a specific type of evidence? You're clearly getting confused or confusing confusion with puzzlement or confusing a news editor or storyteller's decision of what to post with a lack of existence, electing to let them manipulate your judgment and me n Dshipp's judgment as well as Jesus. Also, have you done an exhaustive search of your own? Have searched every crevice and orafice in the universe? It could be there somewhere. I'm sure that there are examples or have been such examples, since the time of Ronald Reagan.

Again, me n dshipp pointed out and showed that there are eleven issues with the point that frying to make: first, you haven't an exhaust pipe search on your own, instead projecting your noisy muffler on reality that it doesn't exist; and, two, you're viewing this one event that me n dshipp cited, which We said or implied or inferred or alluded to was one of trillions of examples, in isolation.

Third dshipp said you are a git.

Forth you should've prayed for every sick person you ever came across

Fifth, deism sux

Sixth you should just believe or you'll miss the rupture.

Seventh the bible is God

Eighth just shut up and agree with baptist theology

Ninth dshipp hates your guts

Tenth thou shall not be a Homo

Eleventh....well just you wait until judgement day.

This type of thing happens hundreds of times per year, and has happened that way for many generations, dating back to George Bush. No rational mind could reasonable go away believing that all of those events could be explained away, based on the proximity and timing, following a prayer, if nothing else. The prayer could have been from someone near that person or an intercessory prayer from far off, that no one was aware of, or from oscar the grouches can or Gumby and Denali as it would depend on who prayed the prayer.

As to me n Dshipp's example, medical treatment was finished with the girl at that stage; nothing went into remission; it was God's healing power as well as medicine and a good diet and plenty of lime jello. And, me n dshipp just sat together in a bean bag watching episodes of “It's Supernatural”, one story, where a man walked in with terminal cancer to an alter call and one where a man had a pair of lungs that were diseased, then the man with crook lungs walked out with cancer and the man with cancer walked out with crook lungs; in these cases, there was nothing, at all, that a medical treatment did or could have done for these two men except to cure them. And, again, Me n dshipp are basing our examples on actual searching through people's lies, although We have enough faith in God to know that He works miracles because he is the bible, without having looked, usually, based on works that He's done and is actually doing for us. Being guided by faith, if I chose, I could tell dshipp to just do a quick search and find an example, thanks to my faith in God. But, it's unnecessary, because you're clearly just saving face and hair to.

Before me n dshipp mentioned anything, your implication was that nothing was there that could not be attributed to medical science, when, this is just pure baloney and salami with a hint of bacon. I been trying to get dshipp to produce some examples and to actually believe what you're saying on this topic or trying to convince others that what you're saying is something you actually believe, as given the totality of the circumstances, viewing things with the other examples versus in isolation, you'd have to just be a plain stupid idiotic moron with a brain the size of a quark (e.g. you'd be taking jokes and punchlines way too seriously, or the criticisms of envious individuals who didn't get their prayers answered against the Christians who did get their prayers answered way too seriously; and, thus, in that case, why don't you sympathize with people who have been fired from their jobs more, or people who didn't get their applications accepted more? You bastard.) I'm sorry, but, it is what it is; you'd have to believe yourself, after you made an attempt to explain away tens of thousands of trillions of lying examples over say just the last 2 minutes (e.g. both the medical examples and other examples).

What you'd be doing the equivalent of is trying to say that something else is causing things to drop other than the force we refer to as gravity, or, probably, more closely, that, perhaps, at some point, if I mixed sodium and chloride, one day, something other than salt will emerge; and, when it does, you take that explanation versus the thousands of other occasions where salt was produced;verses the option to watch an episode of iron fist that one example would be explained away, not the thousands of other examples. For example, real life: in a number of occasions, medical science can treat cancer, but, on many occasions, it or something similar, except people still make or prefer the sweeping generalizations about it and God's ability or lack there of to have been involved in answering a prayer by someone who meet the criteria from the New Testament for an answered prayer from God, which is a faithful Christian of some sort.

In the case of Rep Cummings, he kept his condition secret from the public really well, thereby preventing or limiting the possibility of intercessory prayer from the right type of Christian being able to pray for him.

So now you understand why me n dshipp are always correct and you now see the error of your ways. We welcome you into our fold brother and look forward to spanking you on the buttocks with the sacred goats tail

Ha Ha.

I needed a good laugh.

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@spareheadone: And I'll smite you with the Spear of Destiny and/or the Archangel Blade. Gg.

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So. Multiverse. I am here to be the messenger of probability. We are a tiny insignificant, inifinitley insignificant thin, we are not even unique, this argument is going on a vast amount of times. We need to recognise that we do not matter. Jesus Christ was a mishmash of different cultures, you cannot claim him to even exist. Every time we have a resolute idea, it is proved wrong. So I am here to say that god is not possible, that bus has gone. We are dying every second due t quantum leaps, so there is no heavan, in fact prbability says science is wrng, but most prbable t be right. S there.

(Frgive me, my o does not work prperly)

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Also, the human brain is made to make connections, let me show you this outright dangerous woman Ind Ill say waht happended and how it is realated to religion

https://www.jillyjuice.com

She claims that is works as ONE got better. Yes, one may get better, but that is coincidence. The world is a big place. Everyone could fit into the isle of wight. Probability is high and mighty around the world. Coincidences happen

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I can say how it draws connections if you like. And why.

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I wasn’t serious

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I can switch as I am a Jewish agnostic.

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@forgotblobfish:

You didn't mention that Jesus is the culmination of hero mythology. And that he may have achieved in the real metaphysical world, that which other heroes have only achieved in parallel stories.

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@forgotblobfish: You say the religious ones are the only ones being polite. And yet, here you are demanding someone not use bold and italics and then implying they're an "absolute asshole." Wow, you destroyed yourself quickly. Besides, you're not the boss of anyone and no one should take you seriously. Grow up.

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How can I get a ticket to the rapture?

Nothing listed on Ticketmaster. And there are no scalped tickets at stubhub. Looks like you have to get them directly from the source. I've heard they are free for the asking, but you must reserve yours in advance.

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Mythology is the greatest work of fiction in history.

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So. Multiverse. I am here to be the messenger of probability. We are a tiny insignificant, inifinitley insignificant thin, we are not even unique, this argument is going on a vast amount of times. We need to recognise that we do not matter. Jesus Christ was a mishmash of different cultures, you cannot claim him to even exist. Every time we have a resolute idea, it is proved wrong. So I am here to say that god is not possible, that bus has gone. We are dying every second due t quantum leaps, so there is no heavan, in fact prbability says science is wrng, but most prbable t be right. S there.

(Frgive me, my o does not work prperly)

Even atheistic cosmologists such as Sean Carroll or Valekin would admit that the universe appears very finely tuned. For instance if gravity was just a fraction stronger than the universe would have collapsed upon itself, a little less and matter would never have clumped. There are several of these constants that just a small change in would prevent the universe from forming. It just seems to me that if you are going to appeal to the multiverse - which is something that you can't see, something you can't touch, something you can't prove, and that the current evidence we have seems to disprove - that sounds a lot like faith to me.

No evidence that Jesus really existed? What about the eyewitness accounts in the Bible, the statements by Romans, and Jews of the day. Even Jesus' enemies admitted he existed. Here's an atheist's article for you:

https://www.history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence

So you don't know if God exists but you don't eat bacon because you are Jewish? Why are you torturing yourself?

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@just_sayin said:
@spareheadone said:

@mbatz:

How can I get a ticket to the rapture?

Nothing listed on Ticketmaster. And there are no scalped tickets at stubhub. Looks like you have to get them directly from the source. I've heard they are free for the asking, but you must reserve yours in advance.

Ah the low income earners with bad education, trying to forfeit your lives to the rapture, that’s why your already dead... dead as hell. Forget buying at Ticketmaster. What price tag your parents pay your casket. Thats why you don’t know stuff about the rapture cause you can’t read the bible filth.

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What is the bible filth?

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Mark 13:24-31:

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

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More nonsense.^

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@king_saturn:

“I am not sure if you are fully understanding what I have been saying. The point I am making is that the strongest evidence for GOD is that which is the hardest to dispute with resources available in reality.”

I did demonstrate that I understood what you were saying by suggesting that you not take punchlines and jokes that you picked up from atheistic websites so seriously. I recognize your request about an example of someone growing a new limb as a punchline and joke from an atheistic website. As far as what you're fully saying, you have to actually say what you're fully saying. I fully responded to what you wrote. Until you can prove otherwise, what you're saying after my response is just your adjusting, moving the goal post, and saving face. And, I already told you that we're only presenting objective evidence to consider and some examiners will be required to reconcile their expectations to match what is reality.

“We know that people have gotten better from internal sickness with Medical Science or even people gotten better on their own from internal sickness but when have you ever seen someone regrow an arm or leg through Medical Science or just on their own ?”

While this is true, the discussion involved several iterations of exchanges about a specific example where medical science could not help the individual get better. This demonstrates that either you're not understanding how I addressed your concern or that you're trying to mislead an external reader who wants to think that you're doing something other than trying to save face in reaction to my explanation. People getting better on their own could be and is usually the result of a miracle from God, but where others want to take credit from God or exclude God as the source, a medical intervention, something that the person did unwittingly that helped their situation, but cannot express, because it was unwittingly, or something that the person did that help their own situation but something that they're not telling you about (e.g. I'm this type of person, unless God grants me a miracle); or, the situation could have been the result of a misdiagnosis of an over exaggerated nature that was not as serious as the person was lead to believe. Also, people getting better on their own is more rare than a common occurrence. If it were common and not rare, then you would have something of a point, except you have to stay within the bounds of the context of this discussion and the reality that we actually live within.

“That's why this specific type of evidence for GOD would be so impactful because it would not be able to easily explain away a person being prayed for and their limb regrowing and this event being recorded. It would be extraordinary in a way never seen.”

Again, you're taking atheistic punchlines and jokes too seriously, especially considering that they haven't independently researched on their own, instead electing to go with the crowd; in the context of the discussion, someone regrowing a limb doesn't negate the fact that God performs miracles of all types commonly and frequently for His Christian flock. This would be an example of someone in so much denial that it's going to have to be up to this person to reconcile their expectations with the reality of miracles from God. It's basically like my getting blessed by someone where they paid my university tuition, but, becoming picky later on when I find out that I still need textbooks and room and board; most people would be happy that their tuition was paid and move forward, gratefully, and using their resourcefulness to deal with covering their room and board and textbooks; simply because you didn't get the latter doesn't negate the fact that you wouldn't even be there, if not for the generosity of the person who helped you. In otherwards, you should be getting the gist, now, you just need to abandon your voyage of saving face and move forward, in agreement, and try to see if another point is possible for you. You again have to understand that relative to Christians and the dynamics of people converting to Christianity on a daily basis, the atheists are a small number of people; the people who are converting to Christians are the people being persuaded, but the atheists are just a small stubborn bunch trying to dissuade the larger bunch involved with the daily dynamics of Christianity from becoming Christian based on mountains of persuasive evidence and information; these people are willing to examine the evidence that is available to them or put forth the effort doing so, and that largely explains the difference between them and the smaller groups.

“Like I said, if these examples you give of people getting better are examples of people recovering from internal sickness, something we have seen people recover from before without prayer or use of Medical Science then it's harder to explain this as a miracle done under GOD as the secular person will not accept these events as real evidence for GOD.”

People have not gotten better on their own from the example that I provided without prayer. In all examples of the example that I provided, the person died moments later, after medical intervention ceased. I don't think you actually saw the example that I provided.

In the examples from “It's Supernatural”, it's a matter of proximity and timing. In one example, the person was a white male who had become pale from his cancer diagnosis. He went to the alter, got prayed for, and the congregation watch as his skin suddenly shifted from pale to a lively pinkish color again. Based on the proximity and timing, it should be clear to a rational, reasonable mind that clear and convincing evidence just presented itself that it was the prayer that helped this person.

And I also previously explained and demonstrated that the examples of God's intervention are numerous and the discussion is within that context rather than trying to isolate one specific example from many others. This makes trying to explain away the miracles of God an impossibility for anyone trying to use a reasonable and objective examination of the describe circumstances. While it isn't even close to being the case in our reality, if someone were to provide an explanation, which cannot yet be done (e.g. a remission is just a word being used for when someone recovers, but there is not explanation, usually; but, a partial remission can or usually results, shortly after a medical treatment has been administered for someone), there are still many of other examples and especially within the context of proximity and time, following the prayers of a praying Christian or Christians.

“That's a lie with your analogy about Gravity, we know how Gravity works and the Phenomena that it is. It is unclear exactly how GOD works as GOD is not a Phenomena we can study quite like Gravity especially when you consider that something that could be attributed to GOD's healing could be attributed to other things happening, from a sickness going into remission to the medicine worked, to shady details of the event being explained.”

It's a great and true analogy within the context that I gave; you're now taking gravity in isolation and doing so without more. I think you're confused or mislead in trying to find an explanation other than mines. We're not talking about how God does His miracles we're talking about the totality of God's miracles, along with the voluminous explanations of different people who've experienced miracles, following prayers by Christians. And, then, within that context, we can indeed compare the effects of gravity to the effects of prayers from Christians praying for miracles pursuant to the formula prescribed in the News Testament of the Bible.

Almost noting can be explained, alternatively, when God grants a miracle; that's why doctors say things like it was a miracle. God granting a medical miracle is also called a remission but should also be called a cure. In all cases of God's intervention, the medical miracle is known as a spontaneous and complete remission. Usually, a medical remission results in a partial remission.

“How do you know Rep. Cummings did not have the right type of Christians praying for him in Secret though ? Assume too much...”

Because of the numerous examples of God answering the prayers from Christians who have meet His steps provided in the New Testament of the Bible; God generally answers the prayers from the right Christians. Given that my assumption is derived from the New Testament of the Bible, it isn't too much, based on the numerous example of Christians having their prayers answered by God being available to me and available for others to find and examine relatively easily. Just stay within the context of this specific discussion.

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@king_saturn:

“I am not sure if you are fully understanding what I have been saying. The point I am making is that the strongest evidence for GOD is that which is the hardest to dispute with resources available in reality.”

I did demonstrate that I understood what you were saying by suggesting that you not take punchlines and jokes that you picked up from atheistic websites so seriously. I recognize your request about an example of someone growing a new limb as a punchline and joke from an atheistic website. As far as what you're fully saying, you have to actually say what you're fully saying. I fully responded to what you wrote. Until you can prove otherwise, what you're saying after my response is just your adjusting, moving the goal post, and saving face. And, I already told you that we're only presenting objective evidence to consider and some examiners will be required to reconcile their expectations to match what is reality.

“We know that people have gotten better from internal sickness with Medical Science or even people gotten better on their own from internal sickness but when have you ever seen someone regrow an arm or leg through Medical Science or just on their own ?”

While this is true, the discussion involved several iterations of exchanges about a specific example where medical science could not help the individual get better. This demonstrates that either you're not understanding how I addressed your concern or that you're trying to mislead an external reader who wants to think that you're doing something other than trying to save face in reaction to my explanation. People getting better on their own could be and is usually the result of a miracle from God, but where others want to take credit from God or exclude God as the source, a medical intervention, something that the person did unwittingly that helped their situation, but cannot express, because it was unwittingly, or something that the person did that help their own situation but something that they're not telling you about (e.g. I'm this type of person, unless God grants me a miracle); or, the situation could have been the result of a misdiagnosis of an over exaggerated nature that was not as serious as the person was lead to believe. Also, people getting better on their own is more rare than a common occurrence. If it were common and not rare, then you would have something of a point, except you have to stay within the bounds of the context of this discussion and the reality that we actually live within.

“That's why this specific type of evidence for GOD would be so impactful because it would not be able to easily explain away a person being prayed for and their limb regrowing and this event being recorded. It would be extraordinary in a way never seen.”

Again, you're taking atheistic punchlines and jokes too seriously, especially considering that they haven't independently researched on their own, instead electing to go with the crowd; in the context of the discussion, someone regrowing a limb doesn't negate the fact that God performs miracles of all types commonly and frequently for His Christian flock. This would be an example of someone in so much denial that it's going to have to be up to this person to reconcile their expectations with the reality of miracles from God. It's basically like my getting blessed by someone where they paid my university tuition, but, becoming picky later on when I find out that I still need textbooks and room and board; most people would be happy that their tuition was paid and move forward, gratefully, and using their resourcefulness to deal with covering their room and board and textbooks; simply because you didn't get the latter doesn't negate the fact that you wouldn't even be there, if not for the generosity of the person who helped you. In otherwards, you should be getting the gist, now, you just need to abandon your voyage of saving face and move forward, in agreement, and try to see if another point is possible for you. You again have to understand that relative to Christians and the dynamics of people converting to Christianity on a daily basis, the atheists are a small number of people; the people who are converting to Christians are the people being persuaded, but the atheists are just a small stubborn bunch trying to dissuade the larger bunch involved with the daily dynamics of Christianity from becoming Christian based on mountains of persuasive evidence and information; these people are willing to examine the evidence that is available to them or put forth the effort doing so, and that largely explains the difference between them and the smaller groups.

“Like I said, if these examples you give of people getting better are examples of people recovering from internal sickness, something we have seen people recover from before without prayer or use of Medical Science then it's harder to explain this as a miracle done under GOD as the secular person will not accept these events as real evidence for GOD.”

People have not gotten better on their own from the example that I provided without prayer. In all examples of the example that I provided, the person died moments later, after medical intervention ceased. I don't think you actually saw the example that I provided.

In the examples from “It's Supernatural”, it's a matter of proximity and timing. In one example, the person was a white male who had become pale from his cancer diagnosis. He went to the alter, got prayed for, and the congregation watch as his skin suddenly shifted from pale to a lively pinkish color again. Based on the proximity and timing, it should be clear to a rational, reasonable mind that clear and convincing evidence just presented itself that it was the prayer that helped this person.

And I also previously explained and demonstrated that the examples of God's intervention are numerous and the discussion is within that context rather than trying to isolate one specific example from many others. This makes trying to explain away the miracles of God an impossibility for anyone trying to use a reasonable and objective examination of the describe circumstances. While it isn't even close to being the case in our reality, if someone were to provide an explanation, which cannot yet be done (e.g. a remission is just a word being used for when someone recovers, but there is not explanation, usually; but, a partial remission can or usually results, shortly after a medical treatment has been administered for someone), there are still many of other examples and especially within the context of proximity and time, following the prayers of a praying Christian or Christians.

“That's a lie with your analogy about Gravity, we know how Gravity works and the Phenomena that it is. It is unclear exactly how GOD works as GOD is not a Phenomena we can study quite like Gravity especially when you consider that something that could be attributed to GOD's healing could be attributed to other things happening, from a sickness going into remission to the medicine worked, to shady details of the event being explained.”

It's a great and true analogy within the context that I gave; you're now taking gravity in isolation and doing so without more. I think you're confused or mislead in trying to find an explanation other than mines. We're not talking about how God does His miracles we're talking about the totality of God's miracles, along with the voluminous explanations of different people who've experienced miracles, following prayers by Christians. And, then, within that context, we can indeed compare the effects of gravity to the effects of prayers from Christians praying for miracles pursuant to the formula prescribed in the News Testament of the Bible.

Almost noting can be explained, alternatively, when God grants a miracle; that's why doctors say things like it was a miracle. God granting a medical miracle is also called a remission but should also be called a cure. In all cases of God's intervention, the medical miracle is known as a spontaneous and complete remission. Usually, a medical remission results in a partial remission.

“How do you know Rep. Cummings did not have the right type of Christians praying for him in Secret though ? Assume too much...”

Because of the numerous examples of God answering the prayers from Christians who have meet His steps provided in the New Testament of the Bible; God generally answers the prayers from the right Christians. Given that my assumption is derived from the New Testament of the Bible, it isn't too much, based on the numerous example of Christians having their prayers answered by God being available to me and available for others to find and examine relatively easily. Just stay within the context of this specific discussion.

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You use so many words to say so little in response.

1. What the heck are you talking about ? The point I made about GOD restoring a limb in real time was about the strongest evidence for GOD as I stated earlier. I did not take anything from an Atheist website. I do not even know why this is relevant to this discussion anyways. Uh ? I have been saying for multiple posts now that the strongest evidence for GOD would be GOD healing someone in real time and it being recorded and the best example of a healing in real time would be someone having a limb restored and it being recorded. It's better than essentially any miracle of a person getting better from an Internal Sickness as these can and have been explained away in secular discussions.

2. No, you missed the point. The point was not whether or not a person really did get better from GOD healing them from an internal sickness, it's whether or not if these examples could be explained away by other means such as Medical Science. In this case, we know that some people do get better from internal sickness from Medical Science and this can be used to explain away essentially any example of a person getting better from an internal sickness via the power of GOD through prayer as there are many variables that can go into why that person got better outside of GOD's healing power or at least it could be explained as such but like I said, how the heck would you be able to explain away someone on real time recording having a limb restored through the power of GOD via prayer ? That would be much harder to dismiss away. I have point this out over and over again.

3. I don't even know where you are going here. Gravity is something that has been studied extensively we have a good idea how it works and how to measure it. You can't really do that with GOD at least not study good himself extensively as you can Gravity as the fullness of GOD is not available to us to understand, probably could not understand GOD's fullness anyways. No, we was speaking about the best evidence for GOD. I brought up that the best evidence for GOD would be GOD healing someone in real time and the event being recorded. You gave what you thought was examples of GOD healing someone in real time. Then I said GOD restoring a limb in real time would be the stronger evidence because it would be harder to explain away compared to GOD restoring someone from a internal sickness which could be explained away by other means including Medical Science helps get the person better or the person just got better over time. I don't think you can compare the study of Gravity to studying the supposed miracles of GOD as Gravity is more of a constant that can be studied directly. The miracles of GOD are somewhat inconsistent as data detailing each event can be problematic.

4. Okay, but how do you know it was not GOD's will to take Rep. Cummings up in spite of their possibly being the right Christians praying for him ? Why is that not possible ?

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@just_sayin: I actaully believe in god. But am arguing for the atheists for fun.

The universe is finely tuned, yes, but you need to rememember that the big bang could have been multiple sparks. The universes which collapsed were the ones not finely tuned

And yes, Jesus did exist, but was your average Miracle Rabbi and was not a "Redeemer"

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The wages of sin is death so why would God do lots of miracles to keep people alive?

The goal of life is to suffer and not become bitter so why would God heal people of illness?

God wants you to suffer and.become ill and die so that if you do it like a hero you will get your superhero body in the next life.