Religion… What do you think?

@spareheadone: I'm fine with that. I just vehemently disagree with the claim that Christianity isn't declining.

1. The context of which GOD is saying he causes Disaster, Calamity or Evil is to whom he chooses to do so. This is morally evil because it's directly the inverse of what GOD was saying about how he can make Peace is to do Good. They are Contrasts. You are just blowing a bunch of hot air here because the passage clearly shows the contrast of how GOD does both Good and Evil as they are contrasts just like when he says he can make Light and Darkness.

2. You are seriously off here. The census Never occurs unless David numbers them. To say that the Israelites are equally as guilty would be wrong as they never asked for David to number them. David did this himself. He even showed that it was his fault at the end of 2 Samuel 24 as he cried out to GOD about his Sin.

3. Everyone did not mess up as David is the one who took the Census that brought about the Plague. Israel did not ask to be Numbered. Again, the end of the passage makes it clear that the entire situation was messed up by how David is shown to react.

4. It's not a cherry pick at all, it is you who are trying to make it seem as though everyone was guilty of the Census when it was David who had Israel numbered. Everyone involved was only so because of David and since GOD moved to have David number Israel it make it even worse. There are other instances, I mean even in Numbers 21, GOD sent Serpents to attack the Israelites because they was Complaining to GOD about not having Good Food in the Wilderness. In 2 Kings 2, Elisha cursed 42 kids in the name of GOD, and GOD sent 2 She Bears to attack the children.

5. Does He ? I mean do you really have a choice if GOD knows if you will choose him or not choose him if he is Omniscient ? You can only choose what GOD already knows you will choose so technically your Free Will is merely an illusion. Also, this make the situation even more insane as GOD is essentially creating people he knows he will destroy or sent to Hell even beforehand. So much for GOD being Just.

Okay, so you want to use the other interpretation in 1 Chronicles 21 ? That's fine lets roll with it. Even if it is Satan who moves David to sin how does GOD not see this and either stop Satan or at least withhold Judgment if he sees the situation ? How is GOD just in killing 70,000 People over something that was started by Satan and done through David ? Again, at the end of the situation we have David crying out to GOD after he has the 70,000 Israelites destroyed.

Another thing that is Interesting, is that Joab did not number Levi or Benjamin because David's Command was disgusting to him. The next line is the Big One, it says :

1 Chronicles 21 : 7 "This Command Was Also Evil In The Sight Of The LORD, So He Punished Israel"

Notice the passage says nothing about Israel being punished for their Sin, only that the Command of David was Evil in GOD's sight and that's what led to the Punishment of 70,000 People being killed.

Isn't that what I have been saying all along ? Seriously it can not be made no plainer that this.

Kundalini is the underworld

Kundalini is the soul of the universe

Kundalini is your soul and my soul

Kundalini is The Serpent

Kundalini is one with all life

Kundalini is devouring herself

Seek then a second soul

Seek The Vine

So that when she has devoured herself you may remain

Overall, Christianity isn't in decline, it's in growth. Those polls are just samplings and done such that the pool is biased; it depends on how the questions were phrased, of course (e.g. was the question, simply, are you Christian versus are you evangelical versus do you pray daily, as it looks like from one of the questions; additionally, the numbers in the United States was being skewed during the last administration by choosing to reject Christian asylum seekers in favor of other religions and updating the polling based on that, without giving important statistical variables: Why Thousands of Christian Refugees Could Be Denied Asylum in America ); basically, they try to downplay the growth in Christianity by saying that the growth is mostly in impoverished countries versus western countries; and, again, I said that the dynamics of Christianity is more complicated; a departure from Christianity isn't by any means always permanent and Christianity isn't static so that it can appeared to be in a downward spiral, even in the United States. Again, it isn't also factoring in Christian conversions. Again, in places other than the United States, the numbers being shown would have to be on the very low side, due to Christian persecution around the world, meaning that the true number of Christians isn't close to being really known; places like China is activity cracking down on Christians, as recent news reports (e.g. but, you'd have to see it on the internet versus mainstream media outlets), and it's still growing there; and there is peer pressuring and stigmatizing in other places (e.g. in places like the UK versus Ireland; Poland versus France); and this isn't even talking about the conditions in the Middle East yet.

Christian Faith on the Rise

Ladies and Gentlemen, I want to discuss two crucial subjects: First, the major global story that is being overlooked or downplayed by the Western press; and, second, in light of the recent United States elections last November in which people of faith played a major role, what (therefore) do people of faith want for their country in the years ahead?

First, the big story. For the past century, the world has been experiencing the most profound revival of the Christian religion in all of history. This has taken place alongside two world wars and the rise and fall of Communism.

Here are the startling facts. At present, Christianity is by far the world's largest religion, encompassing one third of the world's population. Christianity has been, and still is growing at a much faster rate than the overall population.

In 2005, there are 2,135,783,000 Christians in the world. By 2025, global Christianity will explode to 2,640,000,000 adherents. Of these, 798,320,000 will be Pentecostals and Charismatics -- a group that could only count several hundred adherents at the beginning of the 20th century.

At present, there are an estimated 100 million Christians in Mainland China, and 28,000 Chinese are coming to faith in Jesus Christ every day. According to David Aikman, former Time Magazine bureau chief in Beijing, in 20 to 30 years the Chinese population will be 25 to 30 percent Christian, making that country, according to Aikman, the largest Christian nation on earth.

There was recently a tsunami wave in Southeast Asia, but a more profound Christian tidal wave is sweeping across the Southern Hemisphere and Asia.

In 1900, there were 10 million Christians in Africa, representing 10 percent of the population. Today there are 360 million Christians in Africa, representing just under half of the population. According to Penn State University distinguished professor Phillip Jenkins, author of a landmark book, The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity, the greatest movement of the past Century was not Communism or capitalism. "Do the math," he says, "and the winner is spirit-filled Christianity, known as Pentecostalism."

The growth of Christianity has taken place in the Southern Hemisphere and Asia, outside of the radar of most Western media. The new Christianity represents a return to the Bible -- to a faith in a supernatural Jesus who saves from sin, heals diseases, and overcomes the power of evil.

While the American media is fixated on priestly sex abuse and homosexual marriages, the real story is on simple faith and supernatural power literally exploding around the world.

Two hundred sixty million Christians live in North America, but 480 million live in South America, 360 million live in Africa, and 313 million live in Asia. By 2025, an estimated 640 million Christians will live in Asia, 633 million in Africa, 460 million in Latin America. Sixty seven percent of the world's expected 2.6 billion Christians will come from what demographers call the "Global South."

Now more Presbyterians worship in Ghana than in Scotland. More Anglicans worship in Nigeria than in Britain. These Christians from "the global south" cannot relate to the watered down religion of their fellow religionists in the Northern liberal churches. For example, in the worldwide Anglican Communion on the one hand, there is a growing movement to brand the American Episcopal Church apostate, and on the other hand American Episcopal churches and dioceses are placing themselves under biblically oriented Anglican prelates from Singapore, Rwanda, and Uganda.

The experience of the Christian Broadcasting Network, which I head, confirms the statistical findings of Professor Jenkins and the findings of the Status of Global Mission, 2005, published by the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, and the findings of the Global Survey of World Missions, compiled by Professor David Barrett, editor of World Christian Encyclopedia.

My organization broadcasts in 200 countries using 26 different languages. Since 1990, our in-depth statistical surveys show that an incredible 369 million people worldwide have professed faith in Christ through our broadcasts. Of note are the 14 million handwritten letters that have been received in our office in Kiev from all over the former Soviet Union. There have been huge responses in Nigeria, Indonesia, the Philippines, Central, and South America.

Another interesting side note to the spiritual revival are the increasing number of Muslims in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Yemen, Egypt, and North Africa who report experiencing dreams in which Jesus Christ appears to them. CBN is planning to distribute a television documentary dramatizing these remarkable true life experiences. Our staff is discovering something else not reported in the Western press -- that throughout the Muslim world there is a profound spiritual hunger and a willingness to learn more about Jesus Christ.

Obviously, a wave of religious revival of the magnitude I have been describing has also washed ashore in the United States and, in the process, had a profound effect on our electoral politics. Exit surveys point to the key role people of faith played in last November's election. Post election, I (and others like me) are being asked: "What do you want for America?"

I would be presumptuous in the extreme to say I speak for all of the people of faith in the United States; however, as a former candidate for the Presidency, the founder of a major Christian grassroots political organization, and as a newscaster with 43 years experience reporting the attitudes of religious people, I believe I am qualified to offer a few suggestions.

(1) First and foremost, people of faith give assent to the truth of two verses from the Book of Proverbs:

"Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." (14:34)

"Where there is no vision of God, the people run amok." (29:18)

At the drafting of the United States Constitution, John Adams remarked, "We have not a government capable of restraining the animal passions of mankind, this Constitution was intended only for a moral and a religious people, it is totally inadequate for the government of any other."

The Gallup Organization recently released a study of the breadth and depth of religious commitment in the United States. This study, in development for ten years, showed that eight out of ten Americans (77 percent) think that the health of our nation depends on the spiritual health of the country.

What people of faith want above all else is an acknowledgement by government, by media, by educators, and especially the courts that the greatness of our nation depends on its spiritual strength. The vast majority of the American people do not want their collective wisdom to be derided, ridiculed, and ignored by a tiny elite who are working tirelessly to strip our nation of its spiritual heritage and its moral foundation.

To people of faith, their religion has deep significance. They do not want to be branded intellectually backward, intolerant, or violative of the separation of church and state when they applaud the words of George Washington spoken in his first inaugural address… "It would be improper to omit, in this first official act, my fervent supplication to the Almighty Being, who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of the nations;" or these words from John Kennedy who said, "The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God."

(2) Secondly, people of faith are passionate for freedom. In 1988, when I was a candidate, I drew gasps from some elites when I declared, "The long range goal of the foreign policy of the United States should be the elimination of Communism throughout the world, especially the Soviet Union." We were opposed to Détente with the Soviet Union in the 1980s, and we are opposed in 2005 to a policy of silent acquiescence to tyrannical regimes, like Iran and North Korea, which brutalize their citizens and threaten the world with nuclear holocaust.

(3) Even as we opposed tyranny abroad, we also oppose tyranny at home. In my view, the greatest cause of domestic political discord is the usurpation of legislative and executive power by non-elected judges who are not content adjudicating cases between litigants, but attempt to determine from the bench matters given by the Constitution to the elected Congress and the President.

Thomas Jefferson warned of the danger of ceding Constitutional interpretation solely to the Supreme Court when he said, "(This is) a very dangerous doctrine indeed and one which will place us under the tyranny of an oligarchy." Regrettably, our current experience has proved the wisdom of Jefferson's warning.

The cynicism of the judges was reflected at the beginning of the Twentieth Century in the remarks by Justice Charles Evans Hughes, who told a crowd at a civic luncheon in Elmira, New York, "We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is whatever the judges say it is."

That arrogance was evident in 1948 when the Supreme Court, with no authority whatsoever, declared that its decisions were on a par with the Constitution, acts of Congress, and treaties as "the Supreme law of the land."

People of faith feel outraged and helpless as they watch unelected judges methodically crafting a Constitution unknown to the founders which permits the virtual extirpation from the public square of our time-honored affirmation of faith, then gives by judicial fiat federal constitutional protection (beyond the reach of any elected body) to abortion on demand, homosexuality, homosexual marriage, and blatant Internet pornography.

People of faith want the Congress to take back the power given it under the Constitution to limit where necessary the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court and follow clear constitutional guidelines for the confirmation of federal judges. The Senate Republicans have the votes to force up or down votes for the confirmation of the president's judicial appointments. Majority vote, not the filibuster, is the American way. The defeat of the former minority leader of the Senate should send a clear message that obstructionism, especially when it concerns the confirmation of Judges, does not sit well with American voters.

(4) People of faith want a change in educational policy. I speak on this subject as the president of a university whose graduate school of education is granting masters and doctoral degrees to hundreds of public school teachers, principals, and hopefully school superintendents.

The work of my university notwithstanding, people of faith believe the public schools in many large cities are failing their children. They resent the influence of a powerful left-wing teachers union in education, they deplore the lack of standards, they are offended by the ongoing vendetta against religious values and traditions in many public schools, and they do not want their children to be used as guinea pigs in far out social experimentation in sexuality and so-called values classification.

People of faith support free enterprise and oppose monopoly. Since competition in business normally results in better service to consumers, we believe that competition and choice in education would bring our nation much better educational outcomes than it now enjoys.

(5) I am the Founder and Chairman of an international relief organization, Operation Blessing, dedicated to helping the world's poor. In the United States, in addition to disaster relief, medical missions, and help for poor school children, our Hunger Strike Force will deliver about 125 million pounds of food to the poor in the inner cities and Appalachia this year.

The overhead of Operation Blessing runs at ten percent or less. Overhead for many government welfare programs runs as high as seventy percent.

People of faith care deeply about helping the poor. Experience shows that the good done by faith-based organizations is beyond calculation because they are able to serve not only the physical needs of the poor, but their spiritual needs as well.

(6) Time does not permit a discussion of our strong support for tax reform and tort reform, but I do wish to emphasize one final agenda item. It is unlawful and sinful for trustees to steal from trust funds, and it is even more sinful for one generation to spend beyond its means and send the bill to its children and grandchildren.

We believe that in the conduct of our personal lives, we are obligated to live within our means while saving enough to provide for the future of our children. We deplore the unbelievable fiscal excesses of elected representatives of both major political parties and their seeming inability to make the simple adjustments necessary to bring the federal budget into balance.

Only Almighty God has the unlimited resources necessary to care for all people. When any government attempts to play the role of God in the lives of its citizens, it will ultimately bankrupt itself.

People of faith applaud the efforts of the President to foster in our nation free enterprise, individual initiative, and an ownership society free from the intrusion and whims of big government.

In closing, I want to say that people of faith thank Almighty God for the privilege of living in this great nation and are proud to contribute their part to building a successful and prosperous future for all Americans.

Thank you.

The most heavily Christian countries on Earth

@dshipp17: Conspiracy theories about western research are blech.

Going completely away from my research about the US and hopping to international religion doesn't disprove a single thing I said.

Using total numbers instead of population percentages is laughable.

The fact that religion holds a large amount of political power in a secular government is one of the most concerning things possible. The top 10 nations for high standard of living also have some of the lowest religiosity rates and exercise secular logic with facts and statistics in legislative meetings. They have the best treatment amongst each other and the elderly/sick. Nations with high religiosity (80-100%) are amongst the worst places to live. Not one of those countries are even in the top 50, the vast majority being below 100. Religious importance is not an absolute necessity for a society today. The second people start appealing to what a silent god wants, there is nothing someone can't argue for.

(1) The Gallup study you cited is not recent. In fact, it was published in 2003 and used a significantly smaller sample size than Pew Research. At the time, 80% of the country was Christian; it does not account for the rapid decline in Christianity over the last decade alongside the decline of religiosity (the importance of religion to people). Gallup Poll, the same organization you apparently trust by the way, measured religiosity at a weak 50% and Christianity at 67% in 2018. Fake I bet.

(2) Okay?

(3) No one wants to take away your right to believe, only your ability to impose faith on others' lives. Blue laws, homosexual rights, Oklahoma's bill to prevent abortion across the board (including an eleven-year-old girl who was raped!) etc.

(4) I don't see what religion has to do with the standards in education. Your criticisms against the current system are extremely vague. What measures are you actually suggesting?

(5) Charity doesn't prove the truth of Christianity and you've jumped so far away from the actual topic.

(6) Yes, overspending is wrong. I still don't see how that proves the truth of Christianity or how you can presuppose that sin and God exist, or what this has to do with Christianity's decline in the US.

So are you dship catfishing as Pat Robertson or Pat Robertson catfishing as dship? The third option being, of course, you're a 90-year-old televangelist who's been typing in the worst grammar I've seen for the last couple months.

Religion is code for Satan incarnate, if he were real.

Matthew 19:16-26:

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

> Bring the bull to the front of the tent of meeting, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head. 11 Slaughter it in the Lord’s presence at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 12 Take some of the bull’s blood and put it on the horns of the altar with your finger, and pour out the rest of it at the base of the altar. 13 Then take all the fat on the internal organs, the long lobe of the liver, and both kidneys with the fat on them, and burn them on the altar. 14 But burn the bull’s flesh and its hide and its intestines outside the camp.

> 15 “Take one of the rams, and Aaron and his sons shall lay their hands on its head.16 Slaughter it and take the blood and splash it against the sides of the altar. 17 Cut the ram into pieces and wash the internal organs and the legs, putting them with the head and the other pieces. 18 Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the Lord, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the Lord.

- Exodus 29

Mmmmm, blood-splashed altars filled with animal organs and decapitated heads. It really invokes the holy image of God, eh? In truth, he's not that different from the other "barbaric" gods. This is the ceremony for consecrating PRIESTS, by the way.

Religion verses Religion !?!

Who will win !?!

Dshipp or FlashFyr !?!

@spareheadone: isn't FlashFyr atheist, or am I confusing them for someone else?

@darkdementor101:

No if you look over the last few pages you will clearly see FlashFyr praying to God.

@darkdementor101: Ignore him.

Well, that's encouraging.

@just_sayin:

if the christian god was real XD

"omnibenevolent" they say

Religion is the true excuse for control and theft. It must be annihilated immediately.

Religion is the reason everything bad happens. Stubbed your toe? Religion. Got a hair in your pie? Religion. And if God was real he would be laughing at you as religion causes you to slice your finger with a knife while you are cooking your beef stroganoff.

Then God would electrocute you with the faulty wiring on your oven that religion caused and he will send you to hell because he never does anything good. He only causes terror and suffering and he hates you and wants you to be in agony all the time.

The story of Steven being stoned in Acts 7 is one of the most bizarre stories in the New Testament. I mean the dude is about to be stoned to death and the Heavens open up where he sees Yeshua at his Throne and instead of trying to protect his follower he lets the damn Jewish People stone him to death. The craziest part was as they was stoning him Steven cried out to GOD to not hold this sin against them. I would have been saying "Hey, you muthafackas better not throw those damn rocks at me" while I was running away.

Religion destroys the good and creates the bad.

But I'm sure that most of us would agree that lame Islam/Muslim is by far currently the worst.

Religion can't destroy the good because there is no good anywhere to destroy.

If God exists, he made everything bad, evil, horror filled and smelly

That's blatantly and patently wrong; you're quite desperate, apparently, that you resort to embellishment and can't listen to multiple bouts of correcting by people with knowledge of the Bible; you keep budding your head against that proverbial wall that is Christianity; this moment actually prompted God into almost ending things right then and there, being touched by Stephen's faith in Jesus, but He held His peace.

Adam and Even

Not Adam and Stephen

Stoned for believin

His spirit leavin

To God receivin

I am starting to think you just like trolling me for the sake of getting a lesson in stories in the Bible you are not too familiar with. I did not embellish anything, you can read the story for yourself in Acts 7, at no point does Yeshua even try to save Steven after he opens up the Heavens when the dude is about to be stoned. Yeshua does not almost end anything there, that's the point. Why is Yeshua holding his peace with people who are about to do harm with those who believe in him ? Even if Yeshua was touched by Steven's faith that should have prompted him more to actually stop the Jewish People from not having Steven killed.

Also, you have not corrected me on anything. I have been owning you and these other jokers that side with you concerning these Bible stories for ages now. I don't butt heads with the proverbial wall of Christianity, I have broken down that Wall now so many times you guys may need to get the Trump and the Government to help you build a new one.

@king_saturn:

Stephen enjoyed every minute of it.

Yeah, I bet. Perhaps he was the Ancestor of Stephen King. That may explain a lot things.

@king_saturn:

Nah, Sharon Stone.

Ha Ha

New testament lol.

did jesus or god say anything about that?

@arthur_morgan:

Jesus did

@spareheadone: what he said?

@arthur_morgan:

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup ...

... Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the

new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. ...

@spareheadone: what does that mean?

Did something change in the bible?

“I am starting to think you just like trolling me for the sake of getting a lesson in stories in the Bible you are not too familiar with. I did not embellish anything, you can read the story for yourself in Acts 7, at no point does Yeshua even try to save Steven after he opens up the Heavens when the dude is about to be stoned. Yeshua does not almost end anything there, that's the point. Why is Yeshua holding his peace with people who are about to do harm with those who believe in him ? Even if Yeshua was touched by Steven's faith that should have prompted him more to actually stop the Jewish People from not having Steven killed.”

No, you're blatantly wrong, because you have some familiarity with the mainstream church position on this matter; it is derived from Acts 7:54-55; from this, the mainstream view is that Jesus wanted to intervene but held His peace; and Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit; this is very active intervention by God; but, spreading the Gospel was more important. Ask yourself, why was Jesus standing? He usually sits at the right hand of God; and, opening up Heaven so that Stephen can see and allowing Heaven to prepare to receive Stephen.

“Also, you have not corrected me on anything. I have been owning you and these other jokers that side with you concerning these Bible stories for ages now. I don't butt heads with the proverbial wall of Christianity, I have broken down that Wall now so many times you guys may need to get the Trump and the Government to help you build a new one.”

I repeatedly told you the proper interpretation of the Tree of Knowledge; you then engaged someone else who told you approximately the same thing; you then started throwing a series of red herrings until they gave up, as the topic had shifted several times until they were correcting you from Samuel with 1 Chronicles, letting you know that Satan is the source of evil. Sure, you responded, but, they took you to the well; they can't force you to drink; this drink is the accepting of truth in place of spreading false messages about the Bible.

I don't care what someone's view is, I care what is being stated in the passage. The passage in Acts 7 clearly shows Yeshua standing in Heaven as Stephen is about to be stoned only to do nothing but supposedly receive Stephen into Heaven. The question is, why is Yeshua not at least trying to protect his follower here ? You honestly think Yeshua could not have spread the Gospel by allowing Stephen to be protected from being Stoned ? Of course he could have, as there are a multitude of other reasons why Christianity spread that exclude this event of Stephen being Stoned. Yeshua could have sent Angels down to protect Stephen from being killed but instead, Yeshua let one of his followers get killed by the Jews.

No, you told me Your Interpretation of the Passage about The Tree of Life. That's it. No one else even went over the topic. The other topics that was discussed with those other two users was dealing with GOD causing Evil / Disaster and the passage in 2 Samuel 24 or 1 Chronicles 21 dealing with GOD killing 70,000 People over a Census, in which both cases I showed using the passages themselves that you guys are just adding your own spin on what is being told here. No one took me to any well, all they did was spin the passages because they knew that the scriptures put GOD in a bad light.

@arthur_morgan:

Yeah something changed. Jesus was making a covenant, a blood pact.

The agreement was that from that day forth Jesus would share his glorified body and life with any who became part of the pact. The New Testament scriptures reveal that.

I can't wait to torture your God.

@iron_tiger:

If you want to torture my god you just have to torture yourself

i have a muslim friend (since childhood!) and he's very nice and chill about his religion

the main problem lies with their culture and religious extremists; but if you'd ask me which one is better between islam and christianity, purely as concepts, i'd say they're equally bad.

@spareheadone: You said you don't have a god, only ideas you find interesting.

@flashfyr:

I am pantheist and panentheist. its an idea I like. I would change if I found an idea I like better.

@spareheadone: Liking an idea doesn't mean you believe it.

I believe in Arfism, but you can believe whatever you want to believe.

Matthew 20:1-16; 20-23:

For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.

5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.

6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.

8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,

12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.

22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

^ He never really answered why he posts irrelevant words from a fictional book of supernatural stories.