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#4201 Posted by willpayton (21773 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:
@decaf_wizard said:

she gets caught in a lie more than even Trump does

Prove to us your claim that this woman lies more than Trump.

She hasn't been in office as long as Trump, or even the public eye for that matter. So I hardly see how I can.

So your statement that she lies more than Trump is false.

Why did you make it?

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#4202 Posted by willpayton (21773 posts) - - Show Bio

Republicans are showing their true colors in Wisconsin, where they're actively trying to subvert the will of the people before they get thrown out of office.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/wisconsin-michigan-republican-post-election-power-grabs/index.html

(CNN)Republicans in Wisconsin and Michigan were wiped out of their states' top offices in November. But before Democrats can take their place next year, GOP lawmakers in both states are moving to strip the incoming leaders of key powers.

Most of the attention has centered on Wisconsin, where Republicans are in the midst of an "extraordinary session" designed to effectively prevent Democratic Gov.-elect Tony Evers and incoming Attorney General Josh Kaul from delivering on their campaign promises.

And it's looking like there might be Republican voter fraud that went on in the North Carolina 9th District race:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/allegations-of-gop-election-fraud-shake-north-carolinas-ninth-district

And BTW, Republicans doing a power grab at the last minute to screw over a newly elected Democratic governor is not even new. This is just the way Republicans like to do things. Democracy or respect for the wishes of the voters means nothing to them.

Same thing happened in North Carolina in 2016:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/politics/north-carolina-power-grab/index.html

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#4203 Posted by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:
@willpayton said:
@decaf_wizard said:

she gets caught in a lie more than even Trump does

Prove to us your claim that this woman lies more than Trump.

She hasn't been in office as long as Trump, or even the public eye for that matter. So I hardly see how I can.

So your statement that she lies more than Trump is false.

Why did you make it?

Ok perhaps I didn't get myself across: she says wrong shit or lies (who knows at this point) at an equal or greater rate than Trump

Hows that? She hasn't lied as MUCH as Trump, but only because of lack of opportunity

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#4204 Posted by boschePG (6057 posts) - - Show Bio

@boschepg said:

@willpayton: @outside_85:

Ocasio -Cortez really doesn't know how to fund Medicare For All or realize how much money it would be. SHe got four Pinocchios

I wish left articles defending this crap would stop burying the lead cuz now a days you have to go to the end to find the most important part

So... she tweeted out some stuff that was wrong? Well, ok. Who is she again that I would care? What is she in charge of? Was there some memo that all Republicans got that says this woman is the new target of the propaganda machine? Trump has been tweeting out b.s. on an hourly basis for the last 3 years. That seems more important.

Anyway, we have bigger problems to deal with, like the possibility that if we continue on the economic course we're on, we will most likely have a recession starting in 2019. All the signs I see point in that direction.

links?

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#4205 Edited by boschePG (6057 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:

Trump must be shitting his pants right about now. Flynn gave the FBI so much information on Trump's campaign team and their dealings with Russia that they're recommending that he not be sentenced to prison.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn/mueller-ex-trump-adviser-flynn-provided-substantial-assistance-in-russia-probe-idUSKBN1O3169

I cant wait for the Mueller report and see what he gave them.

Mueller advised that Flynn not be sentenced....for perjury. Any on going investigation (the redacted parts) is still ongoing and he can still be prosecuted for.

I cant wait for the Mueller report either....that Adam Schiff pretty much has said that if it doesnt say what he hopes it says that they believe that the House will continue their investigation. (Im paraphrasing Schiff of course)

I dont think Ocasio Cortez knows what the branches are and their duties. According to the head of the DNC, she is the future face of the organization

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#4206 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Republicans are showing their true colors in Wisconsin, where they're actively trying to subvert the will of the people before they get thrown out of office.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/wisconsin-michigan-republican-post-election-power-grabs/index.html

(CNN)Republicans in Wisconsin and Michigan were wiped out of their states' top offices in November. But before Democrats can take their place next year, GOP lawmakers in both states are moving to strip the incoming leaders of key powers.

Most of the attention has centered on Wisconsin, where Republicans are in the midst of an "extraordinary session" designed to effectively prevent Democratic Gov.-elect Tony Evers and incoming Attorney General Josh Kaul from delivering on their campaign promises.

And it's looking like there might be Republican voter fraud that went on in the North Carolina 9th District race:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/allegations-of-gop-election-fraud-shake-north-carolinas-ninth-district

Who would have thought...

@decaf_wizard said:
@willpayton said:
@abstractraze said:

@outside_85:

conservative people will carry a superior amount of anger.

Yes, conservatives do seem to be driven by emotions like fear, anger, and anxiety. That has been demonstrated scientifically. Not surprising then that this is what the Republican Party and right-wing media spoon feed them on a daily basis.

Keep raging with impotent anger. Back in the real world, this last election saw voters vote for Democrats by a margin of around 9 MILLION MORE votes for Democrats than for Republicans, a new record... smashing the previous record set in 1974 when the Democrats destroyed Republicans after Nixon resigned in disgrace before being impeached. Oh... I'm seeing a pattern here. Republicans only keep getting into power because of a lopsided Electoral College and gerrymandered congressional districts. Guess what happens when all those old Republican voters die and the Supreme Court eventually outlaws gerrymandering and forces non-partisan redistricting? What do you think happens when Texas is no longer a reliable red state? LOL... history is not on the side of conservatives, because conservatism is all about trying to hold on to the past.

HA

The neoliberal globalist paradigm is dying. Types like the Clintons and the Bushes are on the way out and Populism is gaining tracks around the world. Centrist populism is the future

Actual correct terminology but brainlets call it right wing.

Likely because it is right wing, there isn't anything 'central' about politics going to the right.

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#4207 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:
@abstractraze said:

@outside_85:

conservative people will carry a superior amount of anger.

Yes, conservatives do seem to be driven by emotions like fear, anger, and anxiety. That has been demonstrated scientifically. Not surprising then that this is what the Republican Party and right-wing media spoon feed them on a daily basis.

Keep raging with impotent anger. Back in the real world, this last election saw voters vote for Democrats by a margin of around 9 MILLION MORE votes for Democrats than for Republicans, a new record... smashing the previous record set in 1974 when the Democrats destroyed Republicans after Nixon resigned in disgrace before being impeached. Oh... I'm seeing a pattern here. Republicans only keep getting into power because of a lopsided Electoral College and gerrymandered congressional districts. Guess what happens when all those old Republican voters die and the Supreme Court eventually outlaws gerrymandering and forces non-partisan redistricting? What do you think happens when Texas is no longer a reliable red state? LOL... history is not on the side of conservatives, because conservatism is all about trying to hold on to the past.

When it comes of protecting something beloved, like your traditions, your culture, your nation, values, your family, your history, what do you think is the natural reaction? furthermore, as a typical liberal, conveniently, you did not quote the whole sentence, those trying to deviate the whole background on the matter in order to feed the liberal agenda again:

'A conservative will always lose more.'

In correlation with:

If a civil war ever happens, conservative people will carry a superior amount of anger.

The more you lose, the more is the responsibility, the more pressure, the stronger is the anger at the time of counterattacking the liberal virus.

It's not about holding the past, it's about holding the cultural values which made the country a great place to live.

Fear is a completely natural reaction when it's justified, when it comes of preservation, something the liberals completely lack, Western people will no longer surrender to the falsehood of globalism, so simple as that, so prepare yourself.

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#4208 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio
@willpayton said:
@abstractraze said:

@outside_85:

conservative people will carry a superior amount of anger.

Yes, conservatives do seem to be driven by emotions like fear, anger, and anxiety. That has been demonstrated scientifically. Not surprising then that this is what the Republican Party and right-wing media spoon feed them on a daily basis.

Keep raging with impotent anger. Back in the real world, this last election saw voters vote for Democrats by a margin of around 9 MILLION MORE votes for Democrats than for Republicans, a new record... smashing the previous record set in 1974 when the Democrats destroyed Republicans after Nixon resigned in disgrace before being impeached. Oh... I'm seeing a pattern here. Republicans only keep getting into power because of a lopsided Electoral College and gerrymandered congressional districts. Guess what happens when all those old Republican voters die and the Supreme Court eventually outlaws gerrymandering and forces non-partisan redistricting? What do you think happens when Texas is no longer a reliable red state? LOL... history is not on the side of conservatives, because conservatism is all about trying to hold on to the past.

When it comes of protecting something beloved, like your traditions, your culture, your nation, values, your family, your history, what do you think is the natural reaction?

To turn up 9 million votes stronger than the people who wants to bastardize it by the looks of it.

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#4209 Posted by SpareHeadOne (5169 posts) - - Show Bio

Trump has been charged with treason.

Will he get the death penalty?

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#4210 Edited by Hatutzeraze (542 posts) - - Show Bio

@spareheadone said:

Trump has been charged with treason.

Will he get the death penalty?

By who?

EDIT: I think perhaps you have misread some news report or are reading something that is completely false. There is no mention of this on some prominent news sites and if The President were TRULY charged with treason, that would be the world's biggest headline.

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#4211 Edited by boschePG (6057 posts) - - Show Bio

Republicans are showing their true colors in Wisconsin, where they're actively trying to subvert the will of the people before they get thrown out of office.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/wisconsin-michigan-republican-post-election-power-grabs/index.html

(CNN)Republicans in Wisconsin and Michigan were wiped out of their states' top offices in November. But before Democrats can take their place next year, GOP lawmakers in both states are moving to strip the incoming leaders of key powers.

Most of the attention has centered on Wisconsin, where Republicans are in the midst of an "extraordinary session" designed to effectively prevent Democratic Gov.-elect Tony Evers and incoming Attorney General Josh Kaul from delivering on their campaign promises.

And it's looking like there might be Republican voter fraud that went on in the North Carolina 9th District race:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/allegations-of-gop-election-fraud-shake-north-carolinas-ninth-district

I see you looked into that Wisconsin thing I told you about in our PM

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#4212 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter, because Liberalism with its so-called globalization, has the target to turn this world or make it generic.

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#4213 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

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#4214 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

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#4215 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

Are you insane or just monumentally stupid?

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#4216 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

Are you insane or just monumentally stupid?

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

'The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum; but if it can be successfully argued that it’s really a form of socialism, it would make more sense to place it on the far left. That being the case, it’s becoming more and more common to encounter insistent polemics like this one published on the right-wing blog UFP News:'

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists, particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

----------------------------------------

Chauvinism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism

Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people". Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior.

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I think we can lock this issue, don't use a biased liberal card, and don't resort to insults, please.

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#4217 Posted by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:
@willpayton said:
@abstractraze said:

@outside_85:

conservative people will carry a superior amount of anger.

Yes, conservatives do seem to be driven by emotions like fear, anger, and anxiety. That has been demonstrated scientifically. Not surprising then that this is what the Republican Party and right-wing media spoon feed them on a daily basis.

Keep raging with impotent anger. Back in the real world, this last election saw voters vote for Democrats by a margin of around 9 MILLION MORE votes for Democrats than for Republicans, a new record... smashing the previous record set in 1974 when the Democrats destroyed Republicans after Nixon resigned in disgrace before being impeached. Oh... I'm seeing a pattern here. Republicans only keep getting into power because of a lopsided Electoral College and gerrymandered congressional districts. Guess what happens when all those old Republican voters die and the Supreme Court eventually outlaws gerrymandering and forces non-partisan redistricting? What do you think happens when Texas is no longer a reliable red state? LOL... history is not on the side of conservatives, because conservatism is all about trying to hold on to the past.

HA

The neoliberal globalist paradigm is dying. Types like the Clintons and the Bushes are on the way out and Populism is gaining tracks around the world. Centrist populism is the future

Actual correct terminology but brainlets call it right wing.

Likely because it is right wing, there isn't anything 'central' about politics going to the right.

Politics have been too left for too long. Populism and a push to the right are are a response but Trump isn't very right wing being essentially a business democrat for most of his life, Le Pen isn't right wing, the Italian populists aren't entirely right wing.

Populism isn't a right wing phenomena. We are even seeing communist/socialist populists crop up

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#4218 Edited by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

Are you insane or just monumentally stupid?

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

'The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum; but if it can be successfully argued that it’s really a form of socialism, it would make more sense to place it on the far left. That being the case, it’s becoming more and more common to encounter insistent polemics like this one published on the right-wing blog UFP News:'

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists, particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

Nazi's in some sense were the definition of "the radical centrist", although with an authoritarian boner. They made a habit of decrying both the right and left wing politics of the time especially communism, however much of their movement has its roots in socialism, with many of their ideology borrowed from Italian fascism, which Mussolini viewed as the purest form of socialism (only decrying other forms because of that fact)

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#4219 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:
@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

Are you insane or just monumentally stupid?

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

'The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum; but if it can be successfully argued that it’s really a form of socialism, it would make more sense to place it on the far left. That being the case, it’s becoming more and more common to encounter insistent polemics like this one published on the right-wing blog UFP News:'

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists, particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

Nazi's in some sense were the definition of "the radical centrist", although with an authoritarian boner. They made a habit of decrying both the right and left wing politics of the time especially communism, however much of their movement has its roots in socialism, with many of their ideology borrowed from Italian fascism, which Mussolini viewed as the purest form of socialism (only decrying other forms because of that fact)

Well, it seems that we can literally and sarcastically agree, that Nazism was some kind of a fourth-dimensional view of politics, interesting view and thanks for the input.

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#4220 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Politics have been too left for too long. Populism and a push to the right are are a response but Trump isn't very right wing being essentially a business democrat for most of his life, Le Pen isn't right wing, the Italian populists aren't entirely right wing.

Populism isn't a right wing phenomena. We are even seeing communist/socialist populists crop up

Let's just be honest and say regardless of which way it swings, populism is a terrible thing to base politics on, because at heart it's based on what gets the biggest cheer out of a crowd in the moment... not the one half an hour later.

@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

Are you insane or just monumentally stupid?

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

'The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum; but if it can be successfully argued that it’s really a form of socialism, it would make more sense to place it on the far left. That being the case, it’s becoming more and more common to encounter insistent polemics like this one published on the right-wing blog UFP News:'

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists, particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

----------------------------------------

Chauvinism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism

Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people". Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior.

---------------------------------------

I think we can lock this issue, don't use a biased liberal card, and don't resort to insults, please.

So I shouldn't resort to insults, but it's fine you compare liberals to rats and immigrant to animals? Sure Adolf.

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#4221 Edited by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Politics have been too left for too long. Populism and a push to the right are are a response but Trump isn't very right wing being essentially a business democrat for most of his life, Le Pen isn't right wing, the Italian populists aren't entirely right wing.

Populism isn't a right wing phenomena. We are even seeing communist/socialist populists crop up

Let's just be honest and say regardless of which way it swings, populism is a terrible thing to base politics on, because at heart it's based on what gets the biggest cheer out of a crowd in the moment... not the one half an hour later.

I disagree, populism is rising because of the failures of the modern government and the refusals to be accountable to the working class, even a blatant working against the interests of said class. Look at Europe and the Yellow Vests. Left Wing and Right Wing are essentially uniting against the government of France in favour of populism, and against the EU.

Populism is entirely a good thing. And its a direct response to the failures of globalism

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#4222 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Politics have been too left for too long. Populism and a push to the right are are a response but Trump isn't very right wing being essentially a business democrat for most of his life, Le Pen isn't right wing, the Italian populists aren't entirely right wing.

Populism isn't a right wing phenomena. We are even seeing communist/socialist populists crop up

Let's just be honest and say regardless of which way it swings, populism is a terrible thing to base politics on, because at heart it's based on what gets the biggest cheer out of a crowd in the moment... not the one half an hour later.

@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:
@outside_85 said:
@abstractraze said:

It's a science fiction movie, but this movie highlights the annihilation of art, culture, and emotions are suppressed by an unknown substance, the name of the movie is 'Equilibrium', we can pretty much say that it's a very extremist sort of liberalism, however, I'm posting it because I think that it symbolizes the right thing on the matter.

Or you could say it's very conservative because it also demonstrates what people with no hearts or souls do to things they disagree with. Like this:

It seems that you don't grasp it again, Nazis were chauvinists nationalists, Nacional Socialism has more in common with the left than with the right.

Are you insane or just monumentally stupid?

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

'The Nazi problem comes down to this: As an ultra-nationalist, socially conservative, anti-egalitarian and fascist ideology, Nazism naturally falls on the extreme far-right end of the political spectrum; but if it can be successfully argued that it’s really a form of socialism, it would make more sense to place it on the far left. That being the case, it’s becoming more and more common to encounter insistent polemics like this one published on the right-wing blog UFP News:'

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists, particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

----------------------------------------

Chauvinism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauvinism

Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. Whereas patriotism and nationalism may represent temperate pride, chauvinism is intemperate. It can be also defined as "an irrational belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people". Moreover, the chauvinist's own people are seen as unique and special while the rest of the people are considered weak or inferior.

---------------------------------------

I think we can lock this issue, don't use a biased liberal card, and don't resort to insults, please.

So I shouldn't resort to insults, but it's fine you compare liberals to rats and immigrant to animals? Sure Adolf.

Well, the definition of a rat within the context:

Backstabbing snitch.

And I don't have anything against immigrants, I don't support the introduction of unqualified immigrants in my country, there is a huge difference, I remarked this fact in the past, but it seems that you are reckless.

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#4223 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, the definition of a rat within the context:

Backstabbing snitch.

And I don't have anything against immigrants, I don't support the introduction of unqualified immigrants in my country, there is a huge difference, I remarked this fact in the past, but it seems that you are reckless.

Really? Do you really think anyone here is that stupid? This isn't your local hillbilly runaround. Everyone here knows damn well what being called a rat means, and that is sure as hell is not a compliment.

Yeah, you do, everything you say on the matter reveals you have a problem with them, aside calling them animals, you've linked them as disease carriers, criminals, terrorists, loafers and parasites on your world. In fact you are parroting Trump's Mexican comment in the same way you spit out 9 insults and pretend one tiny compliment makes up for it, it doesn't.

And no, reckless is not what I am, I just see you for what you are.

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#4225 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Well, the definition of a rat within the context:

Backstabbing snitch.

And I don't have anything against immigrants, I don't support the introduction of unqualified immigrants in my country, there is a huge difference, I remarked this fact in the past, but it seems that you are reckless.

Really? Do you really think anyone here is that stupid? This isn't your local hillbilly runaround. Everyone here knows damn well what being called a rat means, and that is sure as hell is not a compliment.

Yeah, you do, everything you say on the matter reveals you have a problem with them, aside calling them animals, you've linked them as disease carriers, criminals, terrorists, loafers and parasites on your world. In fact you are parroting Trump's Mexican comment in the same way you spit out 9 insults and pretend one tiny compliment makes up for it, it doesn't.

And no, reckless is not what I am, I just see you for what you are.

Well, in a developed country, there are certain standards to follow if one wants to keep its national wealth stable and healthy, an unqualified immigrant does not compensate, it's harsh but realistic.

The left is acting against the national interest with unrealistic propositions, that's the definition of being a traitor, so why backstabbing snitch, it's because liberals make drama from something harsh and not fine, but necessary in order to keep the nation's wealth stable, in order to protect the efforts of the native citizens which made their own country successful.

I never called immigrants as animals, show me that with an actual screenshot, show some proofs, yes I have a problem with unqualified immigrants which won't compensate for my nation's growth, you're clearly using the liberal-generalization card.

Just mere subjectivity.

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#4226 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, in a developed country, there are certain standards to follow if one wants to keep its national wealth stable and healthy, an unqualified immigrant does not compensate, it's harsh but realistic.

The left is acting against the national interest with unrealistic propositions, that's the definition of being a traitor, so why backstabbing snitch, it's because liberals make drama from something harsh and not fine, but necessary in order to keep the nation's wealth stable, in order to protect the efforts of the native citizens which made their own country successful.

I never called immigrants as animals, show me that with an actual screenshot, show some proofs, yes I have a problem with unqualified immigrants which won't compensate for my nation's growth, you're clearly using the liberal-generalization card.

Just mere subjectivity.

So you dont live in the western world by the sound of things.

You mistake 'national' for 'nationalist' interests, they are not the same, if you didn't know that then welcome to a the wakeup call. A nation doesn't want or need nationalist the same a sports team does not need uber-fans that sets their own stadium aflame.

You know damn well when you said it, I called you out when you did so and you replied with the same crap about it not being an insult.

Or just racism and the lack of spine to admit your are.

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#4228 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Well, in a developed country, there are certain standards to follow if one wants to keep its national wealth stable and healthy, an unqualified immigrant does not compensate, it's harsh but realistic.

The left is acting against the national interest with unrealistic propositions, that's the definition of being a traitor, so why backstabbing snitch, it's because liberals make drama from something harsh and not fine, but necessary in order to keep the nation's wealth stable, in order to protect the efforts of the native citizens which made their own country successful.

I never called immigrants as animals, show me that with an actual screenshot, show some proofs, yes I have a problem with unqualified immigrants which won't compensate for my nation's growth, you're clearly using the liberal-generalization card.

Just mere subjectivity.

So you dont live in the western world by the sound of things.

You mistake 'national' for 'nationalist' interests, they are not the same, if you didn't know that then welcome to a the wakeup call. A nation doesn't want or need nationalist the same a sports team does not need uber-fans that sets their own stadium aflame.

You know damn well when you said it, I called you out when you did so and you replied with the same crap about it not being an insult.

Or just racism and the lack of spine to admit your are.

Definition of national interest:

'The concept of the national interest is used in both political analysis and political action. As an analytic tool, it is employed to describe, explain, or evaluate the sources or the adequacy of a nation’s foreign policy. As an instrument of political action, it serves as a means of justifying, denouncing, or proposing policies. Both usages, in other words, refer to what is best for a national society. They also share a tendency to confine the intended meaning to what is best for a nation in foreign affairs.'

Show me some proofs, I don't care about your thoughts.

Mere subjectivity, maybe you're confused with my disproval against the Islam ideology and the people carrying such ideology, well, Germany has christian roots, furthermore, the Islam values are not compatible with our Grundgesetz, I think it's like the federal laws in the U.S.

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#4229 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio


Show me some proofs, I don't care about your thoughts.

Mere subjectivity, maybe you're confused with my disproval against the Islam ideology and the people carrying such ideology, well, Germany has christian roots, furthermore, the Islam values are not compatible with our Grundgesetz, I think it's federal laws in the U.S.

Look at every post you've made here, oh wait, you can't see the monster you are, because you think you are the hero of your own tale...

You really are that ignorant it seems...

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#4230 Edited by AbstractRaze (2088 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Show me some proofs, I don't care about your thoughts.

Mere subjectivity, maybe you're confused with my disproval against the Islam ideology and the people carrying such ideology, well, Germany has christian roots, furthermore, the Islam values are not compatible with our Grundgesetz, I think it's federal laws in the U.S.

Look at every post you've made here, oh wait, you can't see the monster you are, because you think you are the hero of your own tale...

You really are that ignorant it seems...

Mere words without foundation on the matter... show me some proofs, I don't care about what you think or your paranoia.

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#4231 Edited by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Well, the definition of a rat within the context:

Backstabbing snitch.

And I don't have anything against immigrants, I don't support the introduction of unqualified immigrants in my country, there is a huge difference, I remarked this fact in the past, but it seems that you are reckless.

Yeah, you do, everything you say on the matter reveals you have a problem with them, aside calling them animals, you've linked them as disease carriers, criminals, terrorists, loafers and parasites on your world. In fact you are parroting Trump's Mexican comment in the same way you spit out 9 insults and pretend one tiny compliment makes up for it, it doesn't.

Undocumented migrants are statistically likelier to be the first three of those things, read Ayan Hirsi Ali to understand the loafer part (according to her own works many migrants simply don't attempt to integrate into their cultures or do anything beyond loaf), and a government I didn't vote for is paying my taxes to import unskilled migrants here from the third world with no tangible benefit to me and no way to opt out, so parasites certainly applies

Im not even against legitimate refugees but many of refugees coming into my country simply aren't legitimate and have nothing to offer my country, thus the unskilled ones are complete parasites on the Canadian economy.

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#4232 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Show me some proofs, I don't care about your thoughts.

Mere subjectivity, maybe you're confused with my disproval against the Islam ideology and the people carrying such ideology, well, Germany has christian roots, furthermore, the Islam values are not compatible with our Grundgesetz, I think it's federal laws in the U.S.

Look at every post you've made here, oh wait, you can't see the monster you are, because you think you are the hero of your own tale...

You really are that ignorant it seems...

Mere words without foundation on the matter... show me some proofs, I don't care about what you think or your paranoia.

You think I care about yours? You can't even spell.

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#4233 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Undocumented migrants are statistically likelier to be the first three of those things, read Ayan Hirsi Ali to understand the loafer part (according to her own works many migrants simply don't attempt to integrate into their cultures or do anything beyond loaf), and a government I didn't vote for is paying my taxes to import unskilled migrants here from the third world with no tangible benefit to me and no way to opt out, so parasites certainly applies

Im not even against legitimate refugees but many of refugees coming into my country simply aren't legitimate and have nothing to offer my country, thus the unskilled ones are complete parasites on the Canadian economy.

This is not the time to the side of a nazi.

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#4234 Edited by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Undocumented migrants are statistically likelier to be the first three of those things, read Ayan Hirsi Ali to understand the loafer part (according to her own works many migrants simply don't attempt to integrate into their cultures or do anything beyond loaf), and a government I didn't vote for is paying my taxes to import unskilled migrants here from the third world with no tangible benefit to me and no way to opt out, so parasites certainly applies

Im not even against legitimate refugees but many of refugees coming into my country simply aren't legitimate and have nothing to offer my country, thus the unskilled ones are complete parasites on the Canadian economy.

This is not the time to the side of a nazi.

What are you even saying here? This isn't a proper sentence

"I dont like this therefore nazi" Is that about right?

???

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#4235 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Undocumented migrants are statistically likelier to be the first three of those things, read Ayan Hirsi Ali to understand the loafer part (according to her own works many migrants simply don't attempt to integrate into their cultures or do anything beyond loaf), and a government I didn't vote for is paying my taxes to import unskilled migrants here from the third world with no tangible benefit to me and no way to opt out, so parasites certainly applies

Im not even against legitimate refugees but many of refugees coming into my country simply aren't legitimate and have nothing to offer my country, thus the unskilled ones are complete parasites on the Canadian economy.

This is not the time to the side of a nazi.

What are you even saying here? This isn't a proper sentence

"I dont like this therefore nazi" Is that about right?

???

Do you understand what a hard-right conservative is?

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#4236 Posted by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard said:
@outside_85 said:

Undocumented migrants are statistically likelier to be the first three of those things, read Ayan Hirsi Ali to understand the loafer part (according to her own works many migrants simply don't attempt to integrate into their cultures or do anything beyond loaf), and a government I didn't vote for is paying my taxes to import unskilled migrants here from the third world with no tangible benefit to me and no way to opt out, so parasites certainly applies

Im not even against legitimate refugees but many of refugees coming into my country simply aren't legitimate and have nothing to offer my country, thus the unskilled ones are complete parasites on the Canadian economy.

This is not the time to the side of a nazi.

What are you even saying here? This isn't a proper sentence

"I dont like this therefore nazi" Is that about right?

???

Do you understand what a hard-right conservative is?

Nazi's weren't hard right conservatives and disliking pointless immigration doesn't make you one. Try again

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#4237 Posted by SpareHeadOne (5169 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard:

I love Donawd Trumpet

He is a nice man with pink skin

He has yellow and grey hair

I wish he could come and have recess at my school

He could have my bag of Cheetos

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#4238 Posted by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard:

I love Donawd Trumpet

He is a nice man with pink skin

He has yellow and grey hair

I wish he could come and have recess at my school

He could have my bag of Cheetos

?

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#4239 Posted by SpareHeadOne (5169 posts) - - Show Bio

@decaf_wizard:

Would you like to do a Trumpet at your school? He could teach you the national anthem and you share your lunch with him.

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#4240 Posted by mimisalome (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

This confuses me

So Liberals hate populism because in can lead into a mob rule deciding the fate of the rest of the society including the fate of the minorities.

As demonstrated by Third Reich when the Majority of the population decided the fate of the jews or in case of Communist Soviet and China deciding the fate of people who disagree with them.

And yet at the same time the Liberals advocate popular votes and wanted to disband the electoral collage.

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#4241 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Nazi's weren't hard right conservatives and disliking pointless immigration doesn't make you one. Try again

Weren't they now? Odd, I havent heard of any political movement that were harder right than they were. Or have you just let yourself be fooled with the name they took?

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@outside_85 said:

Nazi's weren't hard right conservatives and disliking pointless immigration doesn't make you one. Try again

Weren't they now? Odd, I haven't heard of any political movement that were harder right than they were. Or have you just let yourself be fooled with the name they took?

You must know literally nothing about the Nazi's then. Mind explaining to me exactly which beliefs are hard right again?

The name they took is apt, if you know literally anything about their ideological origins or platforms.Some of their major platforms were increasing old age pensions, expansions and upgrades to the education system, state funded / nationalized heavy industry, nationalization of trusts, outlawing of child labor, property buying reforms, equal rights for all citizens and an expansion in wellfare.

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#4243 Posted by Outside_85 (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Nazi's weren't hard right conservatives and disliking pointless immigration doesn't make you one. Try again

Weren't they now? Odd, I haven't heard of any political movement that were harder right than they were. Or have you just let yourself be fooled with the name they took?

You must know literally nothing about the Nazi's then.

Mind explaining to me exactly which beliefs are hard right again?

The name they took is apt, if you know literally anything about their ideological origins or platforms.Some of their major platforms were increasing old age pensions, expansions and upgrades to the education system, state funded / nationalized heavy industry, nationalization of trusts, outlawing of child labor, property buying reforms, equal rights for all citizens and an expansion in wellfare.

And thats coming from you? Please.

Nationalism taken to the point where you say you are all about rebuilding a nation that was once great while blaming all of it's current faults on people and things that fall outside your idea of the old national identity, and that you are ready and willing to resort to violence to get rebuild this nation of yours.

And you know why they had all of these policies? Because Germany was smashed to bits by World War One, and in order to get the old warmachine back up to strength, you had to shell out the money everyone needed to get the factories rebuilt, get everyone employed and get them in the mindset for another war.

Also... the equal rights thing was reserved for the Aryan. Jews, communists, gays, Russians, blacks and pretty much anyone who wasn't a straight white European didn't have equal rights, and if they had any, they were slowly taken away from them before they all ended up in the camps.

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#4244 Edited by decaf_wizard (16519 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:
@decaf_wizard said:
@outside_85 said:

Nazi's weren't hard right conservatives and disliking pointless immigration doesn't make you one. Try again

Weren't they now? Odd, I haven't heard of any political movement that were harder right than they were. Or have you just let yourself be fooled with the name they took?

You must know literally nothing about the Nazi's then.

Mind explaining to me exactly which beliefs are hard right again?

The name they took is apt, if you know literally anything about their ideological origins or platforms.Some of their major platforms were increasing old age pensions, expansions and upgrades to the education system, state funded / nationalized heavy industry, nationalization of trusts, outlawing of child labor, property buying reforms, equal rights for all citizens and an expansion in wellfare.

And thats coming from you? Please.

Nationalism taken to the point where you say you are all about rebuilding a nation that was once great while blaming all of it's current faults on people and things that fall outside your idea of the old national identity, and that you are ready and willing to resort to violence to get rebuild this nation of yours.

And you know why they had all of these policies? Because Germany was smashed to bits by World War One, and in order to get the old warmachine back up to strength, you had to shell out the money everyone needed to get the factories rebuilt, get everyone employed and get them in the mindset for another war.

Also... the equal rights thing was reserved for the Aryan. Jews, communists, gays, Russians, blacks and pretty much anyone who wasn't a straight white European didn't have equal rights, and if they had any, they were slowly taken away from them before they all ended up in the camps.

And you didn't even attempt to explain how thats right wing. Their politics were a form of non-marxist socialism with a heavy nationalist rebranding. Its in the name. Its the name for a reason. Read a book on it why don't you

We are reaching levels of non argument I had previously thought not possible

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#4245 Edited by xZone (7661 posts) - - Show Bio

The Daily Agreement: Day 10

Everyday @mrmonster and I will come together to find something that he, a conservative, and myself, a liberal, can both really agree on. In such polarizing times we thought this would be a fantastic idea. Some topics will be longer and more in depth, and some will be shorter. If you wish to be tagged for these daily agreements, just let @mrmonster or myself know.

Topic of the Day: Peta needs to shut up:

I don't think anyone has a problem with people being Vegan, heck, I myself have considered it and eaten Vegan for periods of time before, but this is just pathetic...

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This was recently released by Peta, and there is nothing else to say besides it is absolute craziness

Animal cruelty is bad, but this simply isn't that. Animals for One don't have Human rights, and for Two even if they did, I and You can say whatever we like, and for Three they compared this to RACISM. This is just SO wrong on so many levels it hurts me head, and I think we can ALL agree to this. Here is the link to the article/twitter post, so you can read it for yourself

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#4247 Posted by mrmonster (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

And that's just a recent example. PETA has said and done so much crazy stuff that we could make an entire thread just with examples. Here is one of their more shocking ones.

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This is an actual billboard they paid for. And they wonder why they aren't taken seriously.

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#4248 Edited by boschePG (6057 posts) - - Show Bio

@outside_85 said:

Nazi's weren't hard right conservatives and disliking pointless immigration doesn't make you one. Try again

Weren't they now? Odd, I havent heard of any political movement that were harder right than they were. Or have you just let yourself be fooled with the name they took?

The position of Nazi's is actually angled by were you are living. From the American perspective the Nazi's are far left. It was technically in their name as you said. From the Europe aspect, which outisde85 is apart of, the Nazis can be considered right since they also had communism at their door steps. By agenda though I consider them left from their platforms...but Im American

Nazi's controlled the media - so does American left

Nazi's controlled the education system - so does the American left

Euthanasia - planned parenthood and euthanasia pitches

You can make a stretch that the 'alt-right' is Nazi-esque in their ideological beliefs though since they believe that western world advancement is Eurocentric...ala white.

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#4250 Posted by just_sayin (2970 posts) - - Show Bio

UN fails to adopt US resolution condemning Hamas terrorism

Due to a procedural maneuver that required a two-thirds majority, the UN did not pass a resolution to condemn Hamas for firing rockets into civilian areas in Israel.

But the good news is that a plurality voted for the measure. That's progress from an organization that has been very anti-Semitic. I give kudos to Nikki Haley for pushing these issues to the forefront. The UN must be challenged in its hypocritical stance. Had this same measure been about condemning Israel, it would have passed. Trump is right to call out Antisemitism.