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#10201  Edited By AbstractRaze

This Is The End of Immigration And Globalization As We Know It, Trump And The EU Shutter Borders

Finally, the neo-liberals(Globalists) and Socialists are going to confront their demise, the EU is shuttering down, all EU members are closing their borders between them, the United States is drastically closing their southern borders now.

Total globalism is poison, a danger to our civilization as a whole.

Austria's national border shields covering EU's border shields!

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The Spanish Flu, West Nile virus, Ebola, German Measles, Lyme disease, Zika, Rocky Mountain sported fever, Lassa fever, and many more diseases were named after places. Does anybody else actually believe that it’s racist to call the coronavirus a “Chinese disease/virus”? The mainstream media, a month or two ago, were just calling it the Wuhan virus, but how is that different?

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@noone1996: No. Stating where it came from doesn't make it racist.

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@willpayton: What's your point? He shut it down on Feb 2nd. There were other countries that shut it down far later than that. So you want a guy who has been labeled a xenophobe for actually isolating China earlier than he did? That makes no sense?

The thing that you should watch out for is the reckoning China is going to receive from other countries for 1) not being forth coming about the virus when they knew about it 2) it getting out of quarantine and shutting down the entire world. Italy and India President/PM have already stated the same thing Trump has about the situation

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@willpayton: What's your point? He shut it down on Feb 2nd. There were other countries that shut it down far later than that. So you want a guy who has been labeled a xenophobe for actually isolating China earlier than he did? That makes no sense?

The thing that you should watch out for is the reckoning China is going to receive from other countries for 1) not being forth coming about the virus when they knew about it 2) it getting out of quarantine and shutting down the entire world. Italy and India President/PM have already stated the same thing Trump has about the situation

What I wanted was for Trump to allow the experts to do what they do and not continuously put out lies and misleading information, and block them from doing their jobs. Yes, he shut down travel from China, but it should have been earlier. Also, when he shut down travel from Europe, he still allowed from the UK and other countries that would have been a danger. Why? There's an entire long list of how Trump has been incompetent and negligent in this outbreak, but that's already been outlined earlier.

But, I agree with you about China. They have also failed miserably and part of it is that they have also put out false numbers of infections, which is the way they normally do things. China will have to deal with the fallout of this just like the US government will. But I'm more concerned with our government than China right now, because our government is the one actively screwing up the situation here.

However, at least China did take some drastic measures that gave the rest of the world some time to get their acts together. And some countries did... by creating tests and deploying them to find and quarantine people who had contact with known victims. The US is ONLY NOW starting to get tests out, and even then it's not enough.

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@willpayton: South Korea was only able to test all their citizens because the test are made in South Korea. Its easier for a nation to nationalize a product in an emergency when the country is actually making the product. It wasn't until recently that pharma actually made the test within the land.

China is able to do a massive quarantine because they are an authoritative nation.

Trump also added UK to the list two days later

Gov Cuomo has actually said the administration is doing a great job keeping in contact with his office. CNN's Dana Bash has said that as well.

I understand your concern. Im just looking at the whole wanting to isolate from China earlier. I just find it odd. When this is over I know many are going to say how much deficit the administration has occurred handling the world wide epidemic

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@willpayton: South Korea was only able to test all their citizens because the test are made in South Korea. Its easier for a nation to nationalize a product in an emergency when the country is actually making the product. It wasn't until recently that pharma actually made the test within the land.

China is able to do a massive quarantine because they are an authoritative nation.

Trump also added UK to the list two days later

Gov Cuomo has actually said the administration is doing a great job keeping in contact with his office. CNN's Dana Bash has said that as well.

I understand your concern. Im just looking at the whole wanting to isolate from China earlier. I just find it odd. When this is over I know many are going to say how much deficit the administration has occurred handling the world wide epidemic

The South Korean government didn't make most of the tests - the private sector did - 90% of the tests used in South Korea came from publicly owned and traded companies according to Times and numerous news out.

When Trump enacted a travel restrict for people coming from China, the WHO was advising against such an action. Trump went against their recommendations in order to place the safety of US citizens first.

Cuomo isn't the only Democrat to praise Trump for his response to Coronavirus - Rep. Ayanna Pressley, Congresswoman Omar, Governor Newsom, CNN's Dana Rush, MSNBCer Joe Scarbarough, and even never-Trumper Governor Larry Hogan have praised Trump's response.

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@just_sayin: What Im saying is that even if the private sector did make the test, the government of South Korea, much like any other country can nationalize the product in events of an emergency. The USA did such a thing with the auto industry and nationalized the industry to make weapons and war vehicles. Im saying its easier for South Korea to do such a thing since the product was actually in South korea.

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@willpayton:

We all want this, but Trump is Trump. He'll blab his opinions on Twitter and drive his staff crazy, everyone seems to have accepted this but you.

and block them from doing their jobs.

Again, this hasn't actually happened.

Yes, he shut down travel from China, but it should have been earlier.

Lol please, we all know you would have been out here ranting about how this is another classic example of Trump's tyrannical tendencies, bent on abusing his power whenever possible, and about how all these dumb right-wingers will let him do anything.

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Pelosi doing a killer job on this rescue package. Dems looking stronger every day. Trump 2020.

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Democrats can't stop with political games, and want to hold hostage the stimulus package over bullshit...

to paraphrase tuckers words.

gotta make sure everyone who gets a stimulus package hire diversity and inclusion hacks for 5 years, have to prove they give enough money to firms owned by women and non whites, gotta make sure the people being hired to help combat the corona virus are hired on race and disability status, mandate all 50 states have a early voter period as well as same day registration because they think that will help them beat trump, and automatically renew all visas and work permits, open borders ect.

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Regurgitating bullshit from Fox News, hilarious.

Back in the real world, Americans are dying because Republicans have been dismantling the healthcare system and suppressing science for years. Then Trump comes along and shuts down the pandemic response team, and then lied non-stop about the crisis.

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#10216  Edited By FaradaySloth

“America’s healthcare sucks! People are dying now because of this virus!”

Mortality rate in countries with 1000+ cases:

Italy: 9.9%

Iran: 7.8%

Spain: 7%

United Kingdom: 5.2%

Netherlands: 5%

France: 4.9%

China: 4%

Japan: 3.6%

Belgium: 2.4%

Turkey: 2.3%

Brazil: 2.1%

Denmark: 1.9%

Sweden: 1.6%

South Korea: 1.4%

Switzerland: 1.3%

USA: 1.3%

Ahhh yes the terrible healthcare system we have! We are literally killing our civilians during these pandemic times!

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Republicans do get very upset when Democrats put forth a plan with provisions for workers rights and other things that help normal Americans. They call those things "bullshit".

In the Senate, Republicans propose a plan that would give corporations $500 BILLION with no oversight. Trump responded with "I'll be the oversight".

Anyone else think that having the guy who went bankrupt 6 times, ran a scam fake University, ran a pyramid scheme, refused to pay his workers, was impeached for bribery and abuse of power, is an unrepentant liar, syphoned money from the military to build a useless fence across a few miles of border, called climate change a "hoax", called the impeachment trial a "hoax", called the coronavirus a "hoax", and is generally ignorant and incompetent, that having this guy I charge of $500 BILLION is a terrible idea?

Trump for Prison 2020!

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Regurgitating bullshit from Fox News, hilarious.

Back in the real world, Americans are dying because Republicans have been dismantling the healthcare system and suppressing science for years. Then Trump comes along and shuts down the pandemic response team, and then lied non-stop about the crisis.

I mean, I have also looked at the document myself...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZBKx2BQ9DlA8ohBIE7ORcdvLX8j3C9Ug/view

can't say I read though all 1119 pages, but you know.... but I did search a couple words.

but I Guess everything ever said on fox news must be fake, because it's fox news and not cnn...

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France >>> USA

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@cyborgzod: Lmao how is the Democrat modified bill not bullshit? Do you honestly think that trying to add in nonsense about reducing airline emissions, diversity/racial reports, early voting, and special provisions to protect foreign VISAs and work permits are anything but bullshit? None of that has anything to do with the pandemic and is just a cheap way to shoehorn in stupid crap that isn't even a priority right now. They are trying to add the Green New Deal 2.0 into it. But it's the Republicans' fault for not accepting that?? The Republicans were literally proposing an Andrew Yang style relief package for Americans and that still wasn't socialist good enough.

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“America’s healthcare sucks! People are dying now because of this virus!”

Mortality rate in countries with 1000+ cases:

Italy: 9.9%

Iran: 7.8%

Spain: 7%

United Kingdom: 5.2%

Netherlands: 5%

France: 4.9%

China: 4%

Japan: 3.6%

Belgium: 2.4%

Turkey: 2.3%

Brazil: 2.1%

Denmark: 1.9%

Sweden: 1.6%

South Korea: 1.4%

Switzerland: 1.3%

USA: 1.3%

Ahhh yes the terrible healthcare system we have! We are literally killing our civilians during these pandemic times!

Sigh. Where to begin. The death rate will continue to fall as more cases are reported. This is a global trend. It was 7.3 on March 1st.

Secondly, in countries where there is socialized medicine, there is inevitably denying people healthcare even though they paid into the system. In Italy they refuse to treat those over 60 with coronavirus. That's socialism!!! This is not an isolated instance as UK's healthcare system has indicated that it may do the same.

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Yes you can.

Also valid options: abuse of power, bribery, obstruction of justice, and violations of the Constitution

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I think this post from today pretty much sums up why Trump is a terrible President and is only making things worse.

Trump speaks and acts like a spoiled child. Everything in his mind is about himself. Everything he doesnt like is a "hoax". I dont even think he knows the meaning of that word.

Countries are shutting down, and doctors and scientists are telling people that millions could die in this pandemic, and that a vaccine wont be available possibly until 18 months. But to Trump it's all just haters trying to make him look bad. How self-obsessed and clueless can he be?

This would be pathetic if he was still just some idiot on TV or on Twitter putting out his inane partisan nonsense... but this guy is the President of the United States.

Trump doesnt understand what his job is, nor does he care. He doesnt give a shit about responsibility, or the good of the nation, or even saving lives. If he thinks it will help him politically to get everyone out on the streets and going to work in 2 weeks, even though it could lead to millions dying... then that's what he'll push for. That's what he IS pushing for. But, this is a totally ridiculous proposal that most Americans will rejects because of it's sheer stupidity.

Republicans in Congress failed to do their jobs and their duty during the impeachment, so we're stuck with this fool for the rest of the year. But... in November, get out to vote and make sure Trump doesnt get 4 more years to wreck the country like he's done in the last 3 and a half.

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Hilariously enough, Trump is basically getting free campaign airing time with the daily coronavirus press conferences (that millions of Americans are watching) while Biden embarrasses himself even more with his home videos and slides even further into irrelevancy than ever before. A recent poll has stated that a majority of Americans approve of how Trump is handling the coronavirus. They also broke the record for the most coronavirus tests in a single day (22K). Just wait until the relief aid comes in. Never Trumpers keep crying and pretending like a Democrat who believes that borders are racist would be handling things better.

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Trump farts the virus out wherever he goes.

He keeps it under his hair

The orange on his skin is the virus

He has put it in all the slags he has defiled and they spread it faster than rabbits

@crazeddragon: Saw trump put some on every seat at congress.

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Willie, Trump did not fire the pandemic team. On the day Bolton was confirmed the guy heading up the pandemic team either quit or was fired, depending on your source. He was the only team member to be "fired" or quit. The "team" was not fired - they were merged with two other teams - one involving terrorist threats. The reason was because the skills sets needed in the teams overlapped so it made sense to combine them.

The slow response of the CDC was due to policies of the CDC and FDA. I don't know if those policies started under Obama or not, however, the very policies that made it impossible for outside state and private labs to reproduce the test kits initially. These same policies were proposed by Obama to become law. They were not made laws, as far as I know.

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I think this post from today pretty much sums up why Trump is a terrible President and is only making things worse.

Trump speaks and acts like a spoiled child. Everything in his mind is about himself. Everything he doesnt like is a "hoax". I dont even think he knows the meaning of that word.

Countries are shutting down, and doctors and scientists are telling people that millions could die in this pandemic, and that a vaccine wont be available possibly until 18 months. But to Trump it's all just haters trying to make him look bad. How self-obsessed and clueless can he be?

This would be pathetic if he was still just some idiot on TV or on Twitter putting out his inane partisan nonsense... but this guy is the President of the United States.

Trump doesnt understand what his job is, nor does he care. He doesnt give a shit about responsibility, or the good of the nation, or even saving lives. If he thinks it will help him politically to get everyone out on the streets and going to work in 2 weeks, even though it could lead to millions dying... then that's what he'll push for. That's what he IS pushing for. But, this is a totally ridiculous proposal that most Americans will rejects because of it's sheer stupidity.

Republicans in Congress failed to do their jobs and their duty during the impeachment, so we're stuck with this fool for the rest of the year. But... in November, get out to vote and make sure Trump doesnt get 4 more years to wreck the country like he's done in the last 3 and a half.

Willie, no doubt that Trump is a narcissist, but the impeachment was bogus. Obstruction of Congress for letting a court decide if he had to comply with congressional requests is just the way the 3 co-equal branches do business. I don't recall you saying Obama should be impeached when his administration was repeatedly found to be ignoring court orders to comply with congressional requests in the Fast and Furious scandal or the Benghazi debacle.

Trump must be concerned with medical as well as economic issues. Your characterization of him not caring about "millions dying" seems driven more by political motivations than honesty. I assume you saved some of your frothy hatred for Governor Cuomo who has stated that he feels the full shut down of business and confinement approach he took in New York may not have been the best one.

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Hilariously enough, Trump is basically getting free campaign airing time with the daily coronavirus press conferences (that millions of Americans are watching) while Biden embarrasses himself even more with his home videos and slides even further into irrelevancy than ever before. A recent poll has stated that a majority of Americans approve of how Trump is handling the coronavirus. They also broke the record for the most coronavirus tests in a single day (22K). Just wait until the relief aid comes in. Never Trumpers keep crying and pretending like a Democrat who believes that borders are racist would be handling things better.

You can't find anything on Biden on the major newscasts or websites, he's MIA as far as they are concerned. I guess they feel its better to ignore him than put him in front of a camera.

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There are more than 140,000 cases of Coronavirus in the US right now. The number is probably several times that in reality.

800 people died this weekend from the virus.

Trump spent the weekend tweeting about his ratings and complaining about the media.

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@willpayton:

Its cuz the media is saying everyone is going to die.

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@willpayton:

Its cuz the media is saying everyone is going to die.

I have no idea what "media" you're talking about. Please post links. But even if a single person wrote an article saying that, it would not be "the media" any more than one person being a murderer makes all humans murderers.

The media I follow has been pretty much been telling people the information from the WHO and CDC since the beginning... namely that it could well take 18 months for a vaccine to be brought to market, the death rates, the characteristics of the virus that makes it dangerous, etc. I've seen that from the very beginning, just like I've seen Trump lying and putting out blatantly false misinformation form the beginning.

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@willpayton: the fact is the mortality rate is going down cuz though the numbers of deaths are rising, the number of people tested are going up. Its simple math. Even if you include the double factor, it doesnt match H1N1 deaths- thats a fact.

The fact is Cuomo is saying the same thing Trump is saying regarding timeline but only one gets push back

I dont know the media you follow so its open to interpretation based on ratio of norms

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#10240 Noone1996  Online

The mainstream media is actually debating whether or not they should cover Trump’s daily press conferences because they see how effective it is for his re-election campaign. 60% approval now of how he’s handling coronavirus.

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#10241  Edited By willpayton

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@willpayton: the fact is the mortality rate is going down cuz though the numbers of deaths are rising, the number of people tested are going up. Its simple math. Even if you include the double factor, it doesnt match H1N1 deaths- thats a fact.

The fact is Cuomo is saying the same thing Trump is saying regarding timeline but only one gets push back

I dont know the media you follow so its open to interpretation based on ratio of norms

We dont have the same number of death so far because we're still near the beginning of Coronavirus outbreak in the US, while H1N1 infected around 61 MILLION people in the US alone.

H1N1 doesnt even compare in severity. H1N1 was easier to deal with because it was a kind of flu, meaning making a vaccine was easier and took less time. There were also effective anti-virals, which means it could be treated and it was less threatening. The death rate for H1N1 was lower than Coronavirus and it was less contagious. Furthermore, the incubation period for H1N1 was around 2 days (max 7), while for Coronavirus it's around 5 days (going up to 2 weeks or more). What that means is that Coronavirus spreads much more widely and quickly.

So you cant even compare them. There reasons above are why the entire world didnt shut down when H1N1 hit.

As far as numbers of people being tested... the time to test was at the beginning. Our government totally failed and wasted months. You have to test early so you can find infections, and then quarantine those people plus everyone they contacted, plus the people they contacted, etc. That's how you stop the spread. Right now we still dont have enough tests for even a fraction of what's needed, neither do we have face masks for doctors or ventilators. And on top of all that, Trump in 2018 shut down the pandemic response team that would have dealt with this.

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Say no to the virus

Vote Trump

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Trump or Giant Meteor?  I know who I'm voting for.
Trump or Giant Meteor? I know who I'm voting for.

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Say no to Trump

Vote for Wall in Colorado

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Trump is now claiming that if 100,00 Americans die from covid-19, it would mean "we all together have done a very good job".

This after his expert said we might have 100,000 to 200,000 deaths in the US as the best case scenario if everything goes perfectly.

That after a month ago Trump was claiming that everything was under control and cases would go down to zero in days.

That after Trump was telling people that all the concern and warnings about this virus was all a HOAX from Democrats and the media.

Wow

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Trump wasted a whole month where he did nothing but lie, and he continues to be incompetent and tell people crap about when this will be over. Trump now thinks that 100,000 Americans dying means he's DOING GREAT!

Winning!

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As Americans die instead of going on TV and giving his sympathies and telling people whats being done Trump tweets about his great press conference ratings. Dude Americans watching the news trying to see if youre doing anything to stop the spread of a pandemic that you did nothing to stop does NOT mean you're doing a good job. Kind of the opposite really.

Instead of putting experienced professionals and scientists in charge of dealing with this, he puts his daughters husband in charge. Kushner the guy who was telling trump that the media was overhyping the covid-19 dangers. Guy with zero credentials or experience in anything that matter to this.

Nepotism + Incompetence = Trump White House

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Trump wasted a whole month where he did nothing but lie, and he continues to be incompetent and tell people crap about when this will be over. Trump now thinks that 100,000 Americans dying means he's DOING GREAT!

Winning!

With the infection rates of the coronavirus and the number of people who live in the USA, that would mean he's doing great. Not to say death is great, but it's not like you can stop this virus immediately.

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@cyborgzod said:

Trump wasted a whole month where he did nothing but lie, and he continues to be incompetent and tell people crap about when this will be over. Trump now thinks that 100,000 Americans dying means he's DOING GREAT!

Winning!

With the infection rates of the coronavirus and the number of people who live in the USA, that would mean he's doing great. Not to say death is great, but it's not like you can stop this virus immediately.

If Trump had done his job instead of spending a month lying and keeping professionals from doing theirs, we would never get to 100,000 deaths.

Right now Louisiana is having a huge surge in infections, partly because of Mardi Gras and thousands of people in the streets spreading the virus. This would not have happened if Trump had told people to stay home instead of saying that this was just like the flu, that it was not a problem and was under control.

Just like a week ago Trump was telling people that he wanted the country open for business and he wanted churches filled with people by Easter. Every single expert and doctor was telling people that this was totally unrealistic. Trumps response was to call those people liars.

Trump's irresponsible and incompetent behavior is costing Americans their lives as we speak.