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From article in The Atlantic

The Trump Presidency Is Over

It has taken a good deal longer than it should have, but Americans have now seen the con man behind the curtain.

When, in January 2016, I wrote that despite being a lifelong Republican who worked in the previous three GOP administrations, I would never vote for Donald Trump, even though his administration would align much more with my policy views than a Hillary Clinton presidency would, a lot of my Republican friends were befuddled. How could I not vote for a person who checked far more of my policy boxes than his opponent?

What I explained then, and what I have said many times since, is that Trump is fundamentally unfit—intellectually, morally, temperamentally, and psychologically—for office. For me, that is the paramount consideration in electing a president, in part because at some point it’s reasonable to expect that a president will face an unexpected crisis—and at that point, the president’s judgment and discernment, his character and leadership ability, will really matter.

“Mr. Trump has no desire to acquaint himself with most issues, let alone master them” is how I put it four years ago. “No major presidential candidate has ever been quite as disdainful of knowledge, as indifferent to facts, as untroubled by his benightedness.” I added this:

Mr. Trump’s virulent combination of ignorance, emotional instability, demagogy, solipsism and vindictiveness would do more than result in a failed presidency; it could very well lead to national catastrophe. The prospect of Donald Trump as commander in chief should send a chill down the spine of every American.

It took until the second half of Trump’s first term, but the crisis has arrived in the form of the coronavirus pandemic, and it’s hard to name a president who has been as overwhelmed by a crisis as the coronavirus has overwhelmed Donald Trump.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/

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Another excerpt from the above linked article:

"The president’s misinformation and mendacity about the coronavirus are head-snapping. He claimed that it was contained in America when it was actually spreading. He claimed that we had “shut it down” when we had not. He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t. He claimed that the coronavirus will one day disappear “like a miracle”; it won’t. He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months; Fauci says it will not be available for a year or more.

Trump falsely blamed the Obama administration for impeding coronavirus testing. He stated that the coronavirus first hit the United States later than it actually did. (He said that it was three weeks prior to the point at which he spoke; the actual figure was twice that.) The president claimed that the number of cases in Italy was getting “much better” when it was getting much worse. And in one of the more stunning statements an American president has ever made, Trump admitted that his preference was to keep a cruise ship off the California coast rather than allowing it to dock, because he wanted to keep the number of reported cases of the coronavirus artificially low."

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#10153  Edited By Noone1996

The Trump reign is over. Just like it was over according to the polls that said he was going to lose in a landslide to Hillary, just like it was over due to Russian collusion, just like it was over due to his tax returns, just like it was over with the Steele dossier, just like it was over due to "obstruction of justice", just like it was over due to "Quid Pro Joe Quo" with Ukraine, and now it's over due to the coronavirus which the open borders Democrats think they would have handled better even though they think boundaries are immoral and make-believe. You just can't make this stuff up. Maybe this one will finally stick.

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#10155  Edited By Noone1996

^ That's just the opinion and interpretation of a Politico writer who I imagine has far left leanings. There's no quotes from Trump or any insider (even anonymously) saying this. Fake news alert.

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so... is there any point to the desperate shit flinging in trumps direction?

I mean... biden just seems to be generally confused and will be easily painted as senile...

You really think you are going to win with biden? take your L.

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@willpayton: Still trying to sway opinions? lol. Bernie has been railroaded again too. Just like old times. Stay triggered. Trump 2020

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It's hilarious how the Trump supporters are immune from reality and keep claiming that Trump is doing a good job. We've already seen how Trump has been lying throughout this entire affair. When did Obama lie about a national health emergency? When did Obama block information and stop health care officials from communicating with the public? Not only has Trump failed at every step, he continues to not take any responsibility just like he did for his actions that got his ass impeached. If Obama was in office now, he's be moving heaven and earth to help the nation in this situation. He would not be golfing, tweeting nonsense, rambling in speeches like he was just hit in the head with a rock, constantly lying and putting out dangerously false information, or fighting with other political leaders because of his petty gripes.

Sadly no amount of evidence or fact will stop the willfully ignorant from saying ignorant. For everyone else, remember to vote in November. This situation right here is exactly why many people warned that electing a low-IQ con man with zero experience in public service, a guy who's a pathological liar, and a guy who has on multiple times bent and broken the law for his own gain... why electing such a person would be a terrible idea. Being President is not a joke nor is it something that should be taken lightly. The President of the United States needs to be an adult, needs to be thoughtful and willing to accept the advice of experts, needs to be able to look at the entire world and make sane and wise judgments for the good of the nation. He needs to be responsible and put responsible people in charge. We DONT need a guy who only cares about his own best interests and thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a "traitor". We dont need someone who rejects science and evidence, and literally gets his daily briefings from watching the Republican Party propaganda network... i.e. Fox News, and doesnt have the attention span to sit through intelligence briefings or who thinks our own intelligence agencies are like Nazis. We dont need someone who thinks more highly of tyrants like Putin than he does about Americans.

Every President inevitably faces a crisis, a time when we need the best and brightest working for the benefit of the nation to be in charge. Having an ignorant fool who thinks he's a "stable genius" with "a very good brain" is a recipe for disaster... and we see that coming to fruition right here and now.

Republicans seem to have an attitude that you dont need any qualifications to be President, that any idiot can do it... so they found and nominated the biggest idiot that would be willing to join their little shitshow. They have been indoctrinating their base through Fox News and other right-wing media for decades to think that government is the problem... so Trump wrecked every governmental institution he could find from the State Department to the Department of Health and Human Services. He's pushed out anyone in the administration that was competent and surrounded himself with campaign donors, sycophants and ass-kissers, and generally unqualified fools like pretty much everyone in his family. Many of the top positions in government are "acting" because Trump and his administration are too inept to get and keep qualified people.

So this is what we've come to... we have a major international health crisis and we're stuck with the most useless, corrupt, and incompetent administration that I have ever seen. Probably that ever was. This guy makes Nixon look good. Nixon was every bit as immoral as Trump, but at least he was competent and intelligent. Trump seems to have the IQ of a farm animal.

Remember to vote in November folks. The US might survive 4 years of Trump and the Republicans destroying everything in sight, but we will have our work cut out for us in the next term just fixing all the damage done. We absolutely cannot take another 4 years of this mess. Vote like your lives depend on it, because they just might.

Willie, Trump has responded better to the coronavirus than Obama-Biden did the H1N1 virus, or as Slow Joe wrongly stated the N1H1, and also wrongly called it the Wuhan virus (Is he mentally fit for the task of being president?). Though cases of H1N1 started showing up in April 2009, Obama failed to call for a National Emergency (which is different than a public health emergency) until October 24, 2009. Obama let over 1000 people die before he called for a National Emergency. The (CDC) estimated that about 59 million Americans contracted the H1N1 virus, 265,000 were hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died and H1N1 is nowhere near as serious as the COVID-19 virus. Trump has quickly called a National Emergency releasing more funds and allowing greater flexibility in handling the virus.

Trump also enacted a travel restriction policy to China early on, which, according to Time magazine, most epidemiologists believe was beneficial. At the time the WHO cautioned against the action. Trump's response saved lives.

One reason for the initial slow response was a rule that the Food and Drug Administration put into effect that initially required the FDA to approve any test developed by the CDC. Additionally, because of Emergency Use Authorization issued by the FDA, public health labs had to send their positive tests to CDC labs to get double-checked, which has only further created delays in diagnosing patients. While Obama did not make the policy followed by the FDA and CDC, he proposed making it a law!!!!! This bureaucracy kept state mabs and private companies adding in the making of test kits. In contrast, South Korea, depended 90% on private businesses to make test kits and had a better initial response. So capitalism saved lives, socialistic bureaucracy was slow and unable to meet the healthcare need.

I hope you and your family are and remain healthy.

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Trump didn't push for more coronavirus testing because he was concerned that high infection numbers might dent his reelection chances, report says

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-trump-high-infection-rate-dent-reelection-report-2020-3?fbclid=IwAR3cCqA45KeTkcLZt9SwGUJROayBPoEuJRb2oohx8XtU9ZI26OQY71XgHE0

This is pretty much the story of the entire Trump Presidency. He's more concerned with himself than with the good of the country.

The truth is someone different. The snafu with the test kits are a combination of policies by the FDA and CDC that limited initial test kits to be made only by the CDC. When the initial batch of test kits had false positive results the process was slowed, with neither state labs nor private companies able to make test kits. For Trump to "fix" or prevent the problem, a bureaucrat would have had to tell him about the issue and identify the problem to him in quicker fashion than what happened. This is a cautionary tale of the dangers of socialized medicine, as the speed and quality of care are dependent upon a bureaucrat that can not be fired without an act of congress no matter how incompetent they are.

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"We think we have it very well under control" --- "We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it" - Trump

“We have contained this,” -- “I won’t say airtight, but pretty close to airtight. We have done a good job in the United States.” - Trump's Economic Adviser

"It's a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something we have tremendous control of" - Trump

"They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that." - Trump

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The Corona virus will not end until Trump steps down, gives all his money to the poor and works in a soup kitchen

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When you google the number of how many people died from H1N1 under Obama it will shame you that you are trying to make a political statement on something that isnt political

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When you google the number of how many people died from H1N1 under Obama it will shame you that you are trying to make a political statement on something that isnt political

So Trump being incompetent, being a pathological liar, and ignoring his responsibilities isnt political?

Trump claiming that the response to the Coronavirus was all a hoax by the Democrats isnt political?

Trump lying about the virus and saying that information about it was "fake news" is not political?

Trump blocking flights from Europe but not from the UK where he has golf courses isnt political?

Trump refusing to even talk with Congressional Democrats because he's still pissed that he got impeached is also not political?

Trump making information and meetings about the virus classified so that people wouldnt get concerned and affect the stock market, that's not political?

Oh ok, when Trump does something it's not political. But when people call him out on it... oh shit it's so political. How dare they?

You're being willfully ignorant and biased.

No one is blaming Trump because a virus kills people. They are blaming him because from day one he has lied and put out false information about this situation, and has done everything in the most incompetent way possible. If it wasnt for Trump and his squad of idiots in the White House, we would still have people at their jobs who would have been able to deal with this. We would have gotten virus test kits early. We would have put into place isolation procedures early on instead of Trump telling people that everything was under control and that cases would be down to zero soon.

While the virus was spreading, Trump was golfing and lying on a daily basis. Even now he continues to lie, like claiming that Google called him to apologize. Hmm... how many times has Trump told this type of lie before? Trump once said that the NFL called him about the Presidential debates being on Monday night opposite football games. Lie. Trump said that the head of the Boy Scouts called him to say his speech at a Boy Scouts even was the greatest speech ever. Lie. The list goes on and on.

Trump is single-handedly making this entire mess even worse and people are going to die because of it.

That's the difference between an incompetent fool like Trump and a real President like Obama. When a crisis happened, Obama got on it and coordinated with the best people to act quickly. He was responsible and the situation was taken care of. Trump not only continues to refuse to take any responsibility, but he claims he's doing a great job. At a time like this when we need leadership and competence in the White House, we have an idiot who just keeps making things worse.

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@willpayton said:
@ozzy_manueldiaz said:

When you google the number of how many people died from H1N1 under Obama it will shame you that you are trying to make a political statement on something that isnt political

So Trump being incompetent, being a pathological liar, and ignoring his responsibilities isnt political?

Trump claiming that the response to the Coronavirus was all a hoax by the Democrats isnt political?

Trump lying about the virus and saying that information about it was "fake news" is not political?

Trump blocking flights from Europe but not from the UK where he has golf courses isnt political?

Trump refusing to even talk with Congressional Democrats because he's still pissed that he got impeached is also not political?

Trump making information and meetings about the virus classified so that people wouldnt get concerned and affect the stock market, that's not political?

Oh ok, when Trump does something it's not political. But when people call him out on it... oh shit it's so political. How dare they?

You're being willfully ignorant and biased.

No one is blaming Trump because a virus kills people. They are blaming him because from day one he has lied and put out false information about this situation, and has done everything in the most incompetent way possible. If it wasnt for Trump and his squad of idiots in the White House, we would still have people at their jobs who would have been able to deal with this. We would have gotten virus test kits early. We would have put into place isolation procedures early on instead of Trump telling people that everything was under control and that cases would be down to zero soon.

While the virus was spreading, Trump was golfing and lying on a daily basis. Even now he continues to lie, like claiming that Google called him to apologize. Hmm... how many times has Trump told this type of lie before? Trump once said that the NFL called him about the Presidential debates being on Monday night opposite football games. Lie. Trump said that the head of the Boy Scouts called him to say his speech at a Boy Scouts even was the greatest speech ever. Lie. The list goes on and on.

Trump is single-handedly making this entire mess even worse and people are going to die because of it.

That's the difference between an incompetent fool like Trump and a real President like Obama. When a crisis happened, Obama got on it and coordinated with the best people to act quickly. He was responsible and the situation was taken care of. Trump not only continues to refuse to take any responsibility, but he claims he's doing a great job. At a time like this when we need leadership and competence in the White House, we have an idiot who just keeps making things worse.

Your first line has nothing to do with the virus and the problem and thus counter-productive and not worth my time even having to read the rest of your aggression to a person you dont like, but since its a political thread I will respond

The media keeps on getting on Trump for saying its a foreign virus...cuz it started in China.

The mass hysteria the MSM is pumping out is fake news. I literally heard MSNBC tell people to pull money out of the banks. Yeah. Who is trying to destroy the country?

He has added UK to the ban. Keep updated on your info cuz the UK is running a whole total angle to which how to handle their situation

The DEMs have been saying millions are going to die every month. Its Chicken Little. We dont believe them

The situation kept evolving cuz CHINA kept putting out false information. We all know it started there. Stop lying about it

Joe Biden has said he went to jail with Nelson Mandela. I wont say he is lying but will say one can probably invoke the 25th if he wins. Remember that when the MSM kept calling for that with Trump. They better bring it up if he gets elected

Obama didnt do squat. Stop lying to yourself and then dont use your own standards and say Trump isnt doing squat. He quarantined China pretty quickly. The DEMs called him xenophobic.

You can say OMB all you want. Your sources are half cooked trying to drive a narrative that you want. The numbers will go up with Covid19, but as of now 22 million Americans got the H1N1 and 4,ooo died. That is a FACT. I think both administrations did a decent job with the situation. SO go ahead and scream OMB all you want. Its your right cuz you are an American and you can go to sleep easily that Trump isnt an actual authoritarian dictator cuz those types throws rival thoughts in jail and its the reason anything the MSM/DEMs keep saying the world is going to end is the reason why no one believes them cuz they have been throwing that mularky down the publics throats for years

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The Corona virus will not end until Trump steps down, gives all his money to the poor and works in a soup kitchen

I lol'ed.

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Imagine thinking that a politician downplaying a crisis and saying everything will be fine is abnormal or worth stepping down over...

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When did Obama block information and stop health care officials from communicating with the public

You see, for awhile I thought you were genuine in your beliefs. Over the years now, as I've watched you continue to spew and repeat blatant falsehoods, even when presented with the truth, and ramble on with long-winded posts that contain no actual arguments(not even debunked ones like hotel scandals, or accusations of sexual assault), just insult after insult, seething with nothing short of pure hatred for the political party you disagree with, I've come to realize that you are just a dishonest partisan troll. You don't actually care about the truth, you just despise Trump.

Every time any issue -- and I mean any issue -- comes up with Trump, you come out here talking about how this is just more evidence as to why Trump should be impeached but is also a dictator, is a traitor but also a fanatical nationalist, is incompetent to the point of mental retardation but also a scheming mastermind conspiring with our enemies to sabotage the US, is a big old meany bigot but also all his supporters are racist, biased, ignoramuses, etc. And your favorite phrase, "pathological liar," which I think is just projection on your part.

You know full well that Trump did not silence anyone -- lmao, the guy himself went out and said he wasn't being silenced. He was scheduled for an interview but hadn't cleared it through the proper channels, so it was canceled. I mean like he was on friggin national TV talking about everything. This is spin on par with the whole "fine people on both sides" controversy. How far gone do you have to be to do this?

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@lord_tenebrous: in actual world, if people watch his interviews instead of edited clips, they will see that Trump steps aside and defer to the doctors in the virus interviews

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Wouldn’t it be funny if everyone could drop their political bias and everyone unite as one against the virus.

Crazy thought right?

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Wouldn’t it be funny if everyone could drop their political bias and everyone unite as one against the virus.

Crazy thought right?

True. However, many people refuse to look at the facts when they dont like them, and claim that those people pointing out the reality of the situation are being "biased". We need to point to the problems that have caused the current situation, otherwise we will just keep repeating it.

For example, we're now getting a better picture of why Trump has been putting out misleading information about the Coronavirus for months and even outright lying. Here:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-downplayed-coronavirus-threat-early-142827096.html

Apparently Kushner has been telling Trump that the "media" have been downplaying the seriousness of the virus. This is no doubt reinforced by the fact that Trump only watches Fox News and will literally ignore intelligence briefings from the national intelligence agencies and gets his "daily briefings" from Fox News shows.

This is not "playing politics" as some Trump supporters keep saying. This is a very serious issue. When the President is ignorant and incompetent, and wastes valuable time at the start of an outbreak by lying to the American people, slowing down efforts by scientists and doctors to deal with it, and is more concerned with politics and his election changes... it leads to the situation we're in now.

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Here's Trump spreading false information about the Coronavirus and demonizing the media for trying to tell people about the situation, then blaming the Democrats:

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Instead of trying to deal with a serious national problem and taking responsibility, Trump has only lied and spread misinformation since this whole thing started. When flat out asked if he took any responsibility, he said no. He keeps saying he's doing a great job. Just like the "perfect phone call" that got him impeached for trying to bribe a foreign leader for political gain, and then trying to cover it up.

So... "the risk is low"??? Then why did Trump declare a national state of emergency just 4 days after this tweet?? Why has China been locked down for months? Why is Italy locked down and their medical system collapsing under the strain of the sick and dying? Why are we heading for another recession and possibly worse?

Oh, right... must be the "fake news media" and the Democrats.

This is not about politics, this is about us having a wholly unqualified and incompetent pathological liar as President, a guy who is making an international emergency worse by his constant lying, his lack of ability to listen to experts and understand what's going on, and his refusal to put aside his personal interests and do what's best for the country.

But then again, we already knew this was the type of guy Trump was in 2016. We were warned, even by many officials and experts within the Republican Party:

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/top-republican-gop-50-officials-warn-donald-trump-national-security-risk-dangerous

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@willpayton: Some people only care about facts if they fit their political views and confirm them.

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TRUMP: "I really think the media has been very fair"

lol after months of calling the media liars for telling people that a pandemic was coming and would be bad and telling people that there was no danger, now Bone Spurs says the media is being fair.

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The media has been proven time and time again to be biased against Trump (according to many studies that observe they report 90%+ negative). They’ve been caught up in so many lies and retractions about Trump you can’t even keep up and they peddle any negative press about him even if the sources are questionable. Yet people are surprised when some people, and Trump in particular, are skeptical of them? What a concept. I guess when you live in a false reality and blindly believe everything the media says, that can be shocking.

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Looks like illinois and Florida just insured Trumps second term. A relief since a Sanders/Gabbard ticket posed an actual threat. I hope Tulsi steers clear of Biden and stays viable for 2024.

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If we ignore politics it might go away.

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Trump dismantled the Pandemic Response Team in 2018 saying it wasn't needed and it cost too much money.

Now he's literally claiming that he doesn't know anything about it.

Can someone tell me what Trump DOES know anything about?

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Thousands of people are sick and dying. Entire countries are locked down and millions of people are losing their jobs. The stock market has tanked so hard it's below the levels when Trump came into office.

But instead of doing his f***king job and worrying about what's happening, Trump is busy tweeting and lying and once again demonizing the media for actually doing their jobs and informing people with the truth. I guess that "the media has been very fair" didnt last very long. And, now Trump is claiming that he knew there was going to be a pandemic before it was even announced by the WHO.

Trump should have been removed from office during the impeachment for being a danger to the nation. Now we deal with the consequences of having a corrupt, incompetent, and mentally challenged person in charge of the fates of hundreds of millions of people.

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More and more I am convinced that politicians should be selected by literally fighting to the death in unarmed combat for their position.

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More and more I am convinced that politicians should be selected by literally fighting to the death in unarmed combat for their position.

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@willpayton: The job of the media is not to undermine the president or to spin paid for opinions it is to report facts. Journalism is as dead as the Democrats.

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#10187  Edited By willpayton

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@willpayton: The job of the media is not to undermine the president or to spin paid for opinions it is to report facts.

You seem to think all media is the same as Fox News. It's not.

The only dead party is the Republicans. Trump has been the final nail in their coffins. They have already lost many from their party who were in any way centrist or cared about facts or science. All that's left now are the racists, religious fanatics, and those who will blindly follow their discredited ideology to the grave.

The Republicans already got trounced in the last midterms, and 2020 is looking absolutely catastrophic for them. Trump and the decisions they've made over the last few years will be an anchor around their necks that they wont be able to shake off. Sit back, get your popcorn, and watch the bloodbath in November from your Trump facilitated quarantine.

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I am curious even if President Trump had a more efficient response time to the Coronavirus how much would it have helped keep the spread down ? It just seem like a lot of us are idiots and even in the face of Good Precautionary Measures I think a lot of people here would have seen it as the Government is Overreacting and the spread of this thing would still occur in large quantity. We probably would not be in as bad of shape in terms of the spread of this Virus but I think we was just doomed once this thing reached outside of China and into other Nations.

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@willpayton: Fox does not report facts. Fox is the MSM as well. Trump will win again in November.

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@willpayton: Fox does not report facts. Fox is the MSM as well. Trump will win again in November.

Economy: tanking and we'll soon have millions of unemployed and companies going bankrupt. Another recession has already been declared, and we could possibly be looking at a new depression.

Stock Market: lower than when he took office. Market has lost more than $6 Trillion in the last month alone.

National Dept: $23 Trillion and will be trillions more before he's done

Health Care: thousands of people are dying right now, and growing exponentially. Tried to "repeal and replace" Obamacare and completely failed on both counts. Republican proposed healthcare plan was a total joke and had 12% support.

Approval Ratings: lower than almost every President in last 60 years, and his own party cant stand him

Legitimacy: lost popular vote by 3 million votes

Competency: none

Credibility: pathological liar

International Achievements: Damaged relationships with NATO allies, divulged intelligence secrets to our enemies, started trade wars with multiple countries and Europe, tore up important climate change agreement, backed out of the Iran nuclear deal paving the way for Iran to get nuclear weapons, dismantled the NSC pandemic response team in 2018 that could have helped prevent the current situation

Domestic Achievements: Got impeached for bribery, abuse of power, and obstruction of justice. Committed separate obstruction of justice by trying to stop Russia interference probe. Committed violations of the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. Most use of Executive Orders in history. Most time spent golfing in history. Most time tweeting in history. Least time doing his job in history.

Major Supporters: KKK, Putin, Fox News, Kim Jong Un, Alex Jones, Kanye West

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So, yeah, I'm sure he's totally going to win in November. Landslide... right? Probably with like 10 million margin in popular vote. Americans, who arent dead from the Coronavirus, will gather in the streets to cheer Trump and beg for 4 more years of what we're currently going through.

That's totally going to happen.

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@turoksonofstone said:

@willpayton: The job of the media is not to undermine the president or to spin paid for opinions it is to report facts.

You seem to think all media is the same as Fox News. It's not.

The only dead party is the Republicans. Trump has been the final nail in their coffins. They have already lost many from their party who were in any way centrist or cared about facts or science. All that's left now are the racists, religious fanatics, and those who will blindly follow their discredited ideology to the grave.

The Republicans already got trounced in the last midterms, and 2020 is looking absolutely catastrophic for them. Trump and the decisions they've made over the last few years will be an anchor around their necks that they wont be able to shake off. Sit back, get your popcorn, and watch the bloodbath in November from your Trump facilitated quarantine.

Don't mind me just quoting this prediction so It can't be scrubbed easily.

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I am curious even if President Trump had a more efficient response time to the Coronavirus how much would it have helped keep the spread down ? It just seem like a lot of us are idiots and even in the face of Good Precautionary Measures I think a lot of people here would have seen it as the Government is Overreacting and the spread of this thing would still occur in large quantity. We probably would not be in as bad of shape in terms of the spread of this Virus but I think we was just doomed once this thing reached outside of China and into other Nations.

In 2015 Obama created the National Security Council pandemic response team, aka the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. This were the people in charge of thinking about and dealing with global health threats like pandemics.

In 2017 the Obama transition team tried to train the Trump people on national threats. One was a pandemic scenario. They knew this was a serious threat and wanted to make sure the nation was safe, even with a new President and party in charge. Most of those Trump administration people in attendance... are no longer in the administration. (you figure out why)

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In 2018 Trump disbanded this group.

Now Trump claims that no one could have predicted this pandemic.

While China was locking down the nation trying to prevent this virus from spreading, Trump was lying about it and wasting valuable time that could have been used to stop it from spreading to the US. Trump could have mandated tests to either be created or acquired from other nations. He didnt.

Even now... Trump continues to call the media liars, saying that they're "siding with China"... whatever he thinks that means, and generally doing nothing that will actually help this situation.

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@willpayton said:
@turoksonofstone said:

@willpayton: The job of the media is not to undermine the president or to spin paid for opinions it is to report facts.

You seem to think all media is the same as Fox News. It's not.

The only dead party is the Republicans. Trump has been the final nail in their coffins. They have already lost many from their party who were in any way centrist or cared about facts or science. All that's left now are the racists, religious fanatics, and those who will blindly follow their discredited ideology to the grave.

The Republicans already got trounced in the last midterms, and 2020 is looking absolutely catastrophic for them. Trump and the decisions they've made over the last few years will be an anchor around their necks that they wont be able to shake off. Sit back, get your popcorn, and watch the bloodbath in November from your Trump facilitated quarantine.

Don't mind me just quoting this prediction so It can't be scrubbed easily.

No one gives a shit.

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Don't know about America, even though I live in America, but India's politics is pretty shit right now.

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#10195  Edited By willpayton

Leave it to Republicans to abuse their power by using classified information about an impending pandemic to dump stocks worth millions of dollars while their President tells people that it's all "under control" and a "hoax by the Democrats".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-congress/u-s-senators-defend-selling-shares-before-coronavirus-crash-idUSKBN2171AL

Because why let morality and possibly hundreds of thousands of Americans dying stop you from doing a bit of insider trading to make a buck.

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You know it's bad when even the shills at Fox News say you should resign...

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When all of this blows over, what do you guys think we should do in retaliation to China for their negligence, lies, and mishandling of the coronavirus situation? Sanctions? Being more aggressive in the trade war? I'm sure some would want to award them for giving leftists another "orange man bad" talking point and then somehow shift the blame directly to Trump, but for people that don't have derangement syndrome, I'd be curious to hear what you think.

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#10198  Edited By Thekillerklok
@willpayton said:

Leave it to Republicans to abuse their power by using classified information about an impending pandemic to dump stocks worth millions of dollars while their President tells people that it's all "under control" and a "hoax by the Democrats".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-congress/u-s-senators-defend-selling-shares-before-coronavirus-crash-idUSKBN2171AL

Because why let morality and possibly hundreds of thousands of Americans dying stop you from doing a bit of insider trading to make a buck.

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wait when I read about this earlier on reddit, there was a third senator who "allegedly" did this... a democrat... did that information somehow change? curious, I may have misread something.

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#10199  Edited By dernman

@noone1996 said:

When all of this blows over, what do you guys think we should do in retaliation to China for their negligence, lies, and mishandling of the coronavirus situation? Sanctions? Being more aggressive in the trade war? I'm sure some would want to award them for giving leftists another "orange man bad" talking point and then somehow shift the blame directly to Trump, but for people that don't have derangement syndrome, I'd be curious to hear what you think.

Hey I'm just hoping this is a wake up call about having so much of our production over in China.

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@dernman said:
@noone1996 said:

When all of this blows over, what do you guys think we should do in retaliation to China for their negligence, lies, and mishandling of the coronavirus situation? Sanctions? Being more aggressive in the trade war? I'm sure some would want to award them for giving leftists another "orange man bad" talking point and then somehow shift the blame directly to Trump, but for people that don't have derangement syndrome, I'd be curious to hear what you think.

Hey I'm just hoping this is a wake up call about having so much of our production over in China.

My sentiments, We are entirely to dependent on products that ship from China, And as recent history proved, which country do you think got the face-masks from an American company that is produced in China... I'll give you a hint it wasn't America.