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How many American allies that helped us fight ISIS are now dying because of Trump?

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#9005  Edited By Lord_Tenebrous

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/middleeast/turkey-attacks-syria.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/erdogan-announces-launch-of-turkish-offensive-into-syria/

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/syria-turkey-invasion-intl-hnk/index.html

This is an utterly despicable move by Trump to pull out, our most consistent and faithful ally in the region has been abandoned by Trump to be slaughtered by the Turks. Identical to how we pulled out of Vietnam and left our allies there to be massacred. Curse this, Trump needs to put our troops back in Syria and forcibly expel the Turks ASAP. This is 100% unacceptable.

I stand with the other Republicans who, unlike Democrats, are being consistent in their views and not changing their values based on who is in office:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/republican-allies-blast-trumps-decision-to-hand-syria-to-turkey.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-syria-us-troop-withdrawal-turkey

https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-syria-withdrawal-e103594e-2417-4355-a5af-46a0f197e838.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-joins-other-republicans-in-rebuking-trumps-syria-withdrawal/2019/10/07/aef0d11e-e914-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-syria-withdrawal-congressional-republicans-condemn-decision/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/syria-backlash-trump-042654

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-syria-troop-pullout-reaction-republicans-call-trump-us-troop-pull-back-betrayal-of-allies-today/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/disaster-betrayal-mistake-republicans-slam-trump-s-syria-pull-out-n1063251

Trump is pulling an Obama, and it's downright repulsive:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44990594/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/obama-all-us-troops-out-iraq-end-year/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/15/obama-ignored-generals-pleas-to-keep-american-forc/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204618704576645150219910400

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/obama-us-troops-withdrawal-iraq

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-press-is-right-to-criticize-trumps-syria-withdrawal-where-were-they-on-obamas-iraq-withdrawal

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/columnists/trudy_rubin/trump-syria-middle-east-obama-isis-joseph-votel-20180404.html

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/how-2011-us-troop-withdrawal-iraq-led-rise-isis

https://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/26/obama.troops/index.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4862947/Obama-to-pull-troops-out-of-Iraq-by-2010.html

Trump needs to stop acting like a leftist and support our allies who are needlessly suffering because of stupid policies.

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#9006  Edited By mimisalome

@lord_tenebrous:

You cannot readily blame Trump on this.

Any US military presence in a foreign soveriegn territory, without the host countries approval, constitute as an act of war.

And as per constitutional requirement any declaration of war requires the US Congressional approval.

The US military incursion in Syria was never formalized as a War via a vote in Congress.

Obama by-pass this process by claiming it is a limited (and pre-emptive) military operation, which is well within his Presidential powers.

But the US military presence in Syria has been going on for years and is way beyond the definition of limited military expedition.

Trump needs to pull out the US troops, otherwise this will gave the Congress a reason to accused him of abuse of power and violating the Consitutition.

If the Congress wanted the contiounous presence of American troops in Syria, they need to formalize that this military effort constitute as a declaration of War against Syria and her allies.

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Yes let's put our troops to back into war to help poor people fight off an oppressive government, this surely won't bite us in the ass...

We've been saying this thing for decades now btw.

Get our troops out. The Kurds aren't allies, they're leeches that make us waste money and time, they don't even succeed with that, and I'm willing to bet money that either way, they'll screw us and become the next "oppressive terrorist group in the Middle East"

100% Grow a pair Trump and pull our troops out now. I'm sick and tired of doing this same thing, different region to our soldiers.

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@faradaysloth:

I would say that US needs to fulfill their obligation in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, because the US is responsible for those countries when they waged war on them.

Pulling troops out of those countries when the insurgency is still a major factor and their societies are still prone to corruption and radicalism would destroy what the US had achieved so far.

Obama's power vacuum blunder in Iraq is a good example of this. Same with Libya where he destablised the country without any post war plan.

US should stay until they produce 2 or more generations of moderates that would be very resilient to islamic radicalism and until the radical factions like the Taliban would become irrelevant and obsolete.

Massive re-education campaign and dictatorship-level of control on extremist propaganda should be needed, supported by a capable military assets that can provide consistent and non-stop offensive against the insurgents to prevent them from attaining any political power.

Sadly Taliban has once again become a major political Afghanistan and is now even securing position in the government.

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@buttersdaman000: Did you hear about AOCs most recent stupid statement (well, maybe not the most recent stupid thing - this one is from yesterday)? AOC wants to get rid of prisons??!!!

She claims prisons originated from the same thinking as slaver, Jim Crow and apartheid. She things "a cage is a cage is a cage."

I agree with Richard Pryor - "Thank God for penitentiaries!"

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@lord_tenebrous said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/middleeast/turkey-attacks-syria.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/erdogan-announces-launch-of-turkish-offensive-into-syria/

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/syria-turkey-invasion-intl-hnk/index.html

This is an utterly despicable move by Trump to pull out, our most consistent and faithful ally in the region has been abandoned by Trump to be slaughtered by the Turks. Identical to how we pulled out of Vietnam and left our allies there to be massacred. Curse this, Trump needs to put our troops back in Syria and forcibly expel the Turks ASAP. This is 100% unacceptable.

I stand with the other Republicans who, unlike Democrats, are being consistent in their views and not changing their values based on who is in office:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/republican-allies-blast-trumps-decision-to-hand-syria-to-turkey.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-syria-us-troop-withdrawal-turkey

https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-syria-withdrawal-e103594e-2417-4355-a5af-46a0f197e838.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-joins-other-republicans-in-rebuking-trumps-syria-withdrawal/2019/10/07/aef0d11e-e914-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-syria-withdrawal-congressional-republicans-condemn-decision/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/syria-backlash-trump-042654

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-syria-troop-pullout-reaction-republicans-call-trump-us-troop-pull-back-betrayal-of-allies-today/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/disaster-betrayal-mistake-republicans-slam-trump-s-syria-pull-out-n1063251

Trump is pulling an Obama, and it's downright repulsive:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44990594/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/obama-all-us-troops-out-iraq-end-year/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/15/obama-ignored-generals-pleas-to-keep-american-forc/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204618704576645150219910400

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/obama-us-troops-withdrawal-iraq

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-press-is-right-to-criticize-trumps-syria-withdrawal-where-were-they-on-obamas-iraq-withdrawal

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/columnists/trudy_rubin/trump-syria-middle-east-obama-isis-joseph-votel-20180404.html

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/how-2011-us-troop-withdrawal-iraq-led-rise-isis

https://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/26/obama.troops/index.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4862947/Obama-to-pull-troops-out-of-Iraq-by-2010.html

Trump needs to stop acting like a leftist and support our allies who are needlessly suffering because of stupid policies.

Can't even criticize Trump without making it about Obama and the Left. You actually brought up news stories from almost a decade ago, many of which you clearly don't even have the proper understanding of or context for lmao

"Obama and Democrats" really do live rent free in some of your heads lol

Sad

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@buttersdaman000: Did you hear about AOCs most recent stupid statement (well, maybe not the most recent stupid thing - this one is from yesterday)? AOC wants to get rid of prisons??!!!

She claims prisons originated from the same thinking as slaver, Jim Crow and apartheid. She things "a cage is a cage is a cage."

I agree with Richard Pryor - "Thank God for penitentiaries!"

I disagree with her conclusion, but I agree with what drove her there. The prison system did evolve from racist practices, and is still deeply rooted in that same racism. Just look up how and why chain gangs started. Americans have backwards idea about prison. We think it should be about punishment, when it should be about rehabilitation and reform. So, while we shouldn't get rid of prisons, they do need go through massive changes.

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@buttersdaman000:

The Syrian mess is Obama's fault.

It is necessary to discuss it to have proper context.

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@buttersdaman000:

The Syrian mess is Obama's fault.

It is necessary to discuss it to have proper context.

Why not just say it's Bush's fault if you're going to blame Obama for every falling domino?? Hell, why not blame Clinton? Bush Sr? Reagan? The dominoes go back pretty far.

It's honestly pathetic how some of y'all do this. It's like clockwork.

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@just_sayin said:

@buttersdaman000: Did you hear about AOCs most recent stupid statement (well, maybe not the most recent stupid thing - this one is from yesterday)? AOC wants to get rid of prisons??!!!

She claims prisons originated from the same thinking as slaver, Jim Crow and apartheid. She things "a cage is a cage is a cage."

I agree with Richard Pryor - "Thank God for penitentiaries!"

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I disagree with her conclusion, but I agree with what drove her there. The prison system did evolve from racist practices, and is still deeply rooted in that same racism. Just look up how and why chain gangs started. Americans have backwards idea about prison. We think it should be about punishment, when it should be about rehabilitation and reform. So, while we shouldn't get rid of prisons, they do need go through massive changes.

Prisons are first and foremost about punishment. Here's a thought exercise for you to prove the point. Suppose that it was proven that rehabilitation and reform never worked. Would you still support the existence of prisons? Of course you would. Rehabilitation and reform are wonderful - I operated a transitional housing program for women coming out of prison, I believe people can change. Schooling, job training, addiction programs, anger management are wonderful. But you can't get a job as an ex-con when the minimum wage is $15 an hour. There is no incentive to hire you when lots of other people without prison records are willing to do the work. You can't get a job in most low skilled occupations as an ex-con when you are competing with people who aren't here illegally and will work under the table, with no benefits, and for less money. If you want to reform ex-cons to productive citizens - change Democrat policies.

The first benefit to society in prisons is punishing people for violent behaviors and getting them off the streets.

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Trump pulls out of Syria "instinctively" without consulting anyone. After a phone call with Erdogan he just "decides" to pull out of Syria. But, that's Obamas fault.

:/

Oh, and can't forget that Trump already let Turkish guards beat up American citizens right outside the WH without repercussions. But, that's probably Obamas fault too.

Hmm...there's also that nice new Trump Tower in Istanbul....but that's Obamas fault too....because it is.

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#9015  Edited By mimisalome

@buttersdaman000:

Syria is an avoidable mess, that Obama willingly dragged the entire America to partake in.

Unlike the Iraq and the Afghan War which are legitimate, Obama's military adventurism in both Libya and Syria has zero Congressional Approval.

Syria has never offer any direct threat to America.

So the context that we needed to realize here would help us answer if Trump is right to pull the US troops out from Obama's illegal military incursion.

Which it is.

US has no authority to be in Syria, because:

1. Syria is an illegitimate war without congressional approval

2. The Syrians never asked the Americans to be there.

3. And there is no justifying pretext for the American to be there.

All of this happened during Obama's administration.

You can only blame Obama for this because all of this are his decisions alone.

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Prisons are first and foremost about punishment. Here's a thought exercise for you to prove the point. Suppose that it was proven that rehabilitation and reform never worked. Would you still support the existence of prisons? Of course you would. Rehabilitation and reform are wonderful - I operated a transitional housing program for women coming out of prison, I believe people can change. Schooling, job training, addiction programs, anger management are wonderful. But you can't get a job as an ex-con when the minimum wage is $15 an hour. There is no incentive to hire you when lots of other people without prison records are willing to do the work. You can't get a job in most low skilled occupations as an ex-con when you are competing with people who aren't here illegally and will work under the table, with no benefits, and for less money. If you want to reform ex-cons to productive citizens - change Democrat policies.

The first benefit to society in prisons is punishing people for violent behaviors and getting them off the streets.

Here's a thought exercise for you to prove the point. Suppose that it was proven that rehabilitation and reform never worked.

How can this prove your point when it's completely hypothetical?

I'll amend what I said though. The prison term should be a punishment, but prisons shouldn't be about punishment. For example, if someone goes to prison for murder, their sentence should count as their punishment. There's no reason to treat them inhumanely, or book them in poor, almost third-world living conditions. But, the current American culture see's these practices and conditions as part of their punishment, and that isn't right. All it does is foster the creation of prison violence, and increased criminal activity when prisoners are released. This is especially true for people who aren't in prison for violent offenses.

Democratic policies have nothing to do with this though.

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@buttersdaman000:

Syria is an avoidable mess, that Obama willingly dragged the entire America to partake in.

Unlike the Iraq and the Afghan War which are legitimate, Obama's military adventurism in both Libya and Syria has zero Congressional Approval.

Syria has never offer any direct threat to America.

So the context that we needed to realize here would help us answer if Trump is right to pull the US troops out from Obama's illegal military incursion.

Which it is.

US has no authority to be in Syria, because:

1. Syria is an illegitimate war without congressional approval

2. The Syrians never asked the Americans to be there.

3. And there is no justifying pretext for the American to be there.

All of this happened during Obama's administration.

You can only blame Obama for this because all of this are his decisions alone.

So, basically you're blaming Obama for doing what every preceding President has done for decades now -- trying to curtail the rise of terrorism in the middle east??

Ah, gotcha.

1. Obama doesn't have to get congressional approval. He tried to be as open as possible, get congressional approval to get involved in Syria after the use of chemical warfare, but he was denied. And it's no surprise since that congress was hellbent on impeding him whenever they could, no matter what he tried to do.

2. They asked for help. And they appreciate the help as well. If they didn't why the uproar from the over Trumps removal?

3. Yes, there is. Terrorism and chemical warfare.

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#9018  Edited By mimisalome

@buttersdaman000:

Curtail terrorism?

lol, His ground commanders in Iraq warned him that extremism and terrorism will run rampant if he pulled out the troops of Iraq. As a President he can decided it for himself and didn't prevent that from happening. He ignore the warnings hence you have ISIS running all over Syria.

Not to mention Obama knew it for himself that he was supporting and arming "rebels' will clear ties to Al Aqaeda and other Islamic Terrorist groups. This wasn't even a secret even the CIA established this to be a fact.

About your list:

1. The President has the authority to conduct limited military operations on foreign lands without Congressional approval, but after more than 5 plus years that would have been beyond the scope of his constitutional Authority.

He was supposed to seek the Congress approval and stop acting on his own.

2. No they don't, the rebels asked for help, not the legitimate Syrian Head of states which is represented by Al Assad.

Funding and arming insurgents in foreign lands is an act of war, and any War would require approval from the Congress hence it is illegitimate both by US Constitutional requirement and international law.

3. Lol, terrorism? if OBama was willing to fight terrorism they should be bombing Turkey, UK, and France. They are the biggest source of ISIS operatives.

With regards to Chemical Warfare, it was never established that Al Assad was the one who are using it. If we look at Obama's and Hillary's stunt on Libya, it would not be far fetch that it was the rebels who are conducting this operations.

The only casualties of this so-called chemical weapons attack are civilians: women and children, never the rebels, why would Al Assad used chemical warfares to kill children instead of rebels that doesn't make any sense.

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@buttersdaman000:

Curtail terrorism?

lol, His ground commanders in Iraq warned him that extremism and terrorism will run rampant if he pulled out the troops of Iraq. As a President he can decided it for himself and didn't prevent that from happening. He ignore the warnings hence you have ISIS running all over Syria.

Not to mention Obama knew it for himself that he was supporting and arming "rebels' will clear ties to Al Aqaeda and other Islamic Terrorist groups. This wasn't even a secret even the CIA established this to be a fact.

About your list:

1. The President has the authority to conduct limited military operations on foreign lands without Congressional approval, but after more than 5 plus years that would have been beyond the scope of his constitutional Authority.

He was supposed to seek the Congress approval and stop acting on his own.

2. No they don't, the rebels asked for help, not the legitimate Syrian Head of states which is represented by Al Assad.

Funding and arming insurgents in foreign lands is an act of war, and any War would require approval from the Congress hence it is illegitimate both by US Constitutional requirement and international law.

3. Lol, terrorism? if OBama was willing to fight terrorism they should be bombing Turkey, UK, and France. They are the biggest source of ISIS operatives.

With regards to Chemical Warfare, it was never established that Al Assad was the one who are using it. If we look at Obama's and Hillary's stunt on Libya, it would not be far fetch that it was the rebels who are conducting this operations.

The only casualties of this so-called chemical weapons attack are civilians: women and children, never the rebels, why would Al Assad used chemical warfares to kill children instead of rebels that doesn't make any sense.

He pulled out of Iraq because Bush said they'd pull out of Iraq by 2011. Thats what the shoe debacle was over. However, Obama was wrong for pulling out. I don't think you're giving the situation a proper or fair assessment though. His commanders warned him that the terrorism would fester and grow, not that it would run rampant. Your wording implies that he pulled out in the middle, when in reality we had basically beat them into submission. Obama was too self-assured about the victory and pulled out prematurely. But, again, he was just following a deadline set by Bush.

1. He was allowed to do what he did. That's all that matters.

2. Wait....are you arguing on behalf of Assad now? The man who dropped deadly chemicals on his own citizens?? lmao of course the "legitimate" heads of state didn't ask for US involvement. They don't need help killing their people.

would require approval from the Congress hence it is illegitimate both by US Constitutional requirement and international law.

Not true. Obviously. And the only illegal thing as far as international law is concerned was Assads use of chemical warfare. Which is why the US and other Allies got involved.

3. That makes absolutely no sense lmao just drop bombs on allied countries because they have terrorism cells?? Jesus Christ

With regards to Chemical Warfare, it was never established that Al Assad was the one who are using it. If we look at Obama's and Hillary's stunt on Libya, it would not be far fetch that it was the rebels who are conducting this operations.

Ah, so now we get to the conspiracy theories. I was wondering when we'd get to that. Like I said, it's clockwork.

> The only casualties of this so-called chemical weapons attack are civilians: women and children, never the rebels, why would Al Assad used chemical warfares to kill children instead of rebels that doesn't make any sense.

Dude....c'mon....you cannot seriously be trying to argue a point like this. First off, how do you know no rebels died in the attack? Second, and this is the biggie, we should all know from history that the casualties or targets of war are not always the ones fighting in it. We nuked Japan to put an exclamation mark on this truth. So, what's your point, really???

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@buttersdaman000:

1. That is just dumb. Bush ceases to become the President once Obama took office.

As the President he can readily override whatever policies Bush had for Iraq, particularly if it involves national security threat relating to war.

He received warning from his commanders, he should have listen to them, Bush cannot compel him to make decision on anythng.

Blaming Bush for Obama's own decision is pretty stupid.

2. The angle with Libya is not a Conspiracy theory.

Clinton's email with Blumenthal clearly indicated that all those stories about Qaddafi were unsubstantiated rumors purported by the Rebels

Even the independent investigation conducted by the UK parliament agreed to this.

3. No, there was no sufficient evidence that Al Assad ordered the use of Chemical Weapons.

Logically there is no strategic value in gassing an area filled a civilians just to root out a few "rebels".

That doesnt make any sense.

Only an idiot who got duped by the so-called Qaddafi's Mass Rape Order would fall for the same similar stunt with this so called Al Assad chemical weapons used.

Speaking of history, you should have learned by now not to trust this kind of narrative after what happened to Iraq and Saddam's socalled weapons of mass destruction.

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Prisons are first and foremost about punishment. Here's a thought exercise for you to prove the point. Suppose that it was proven that rehabilitation and reform never worked. Would you still support the existence of prisons? Of course you would. Rehabilitation and reform are wonderful - I operated a transitional housing program for women coming out of prison, I believe people can change. Schooling, job training, addiction programs, anger management are wonderful. But you can't get a job as an ex-con when the minimum wage is $15 an hour. There is no incentive to hire you when lots of other people without prison records are willing to do the work. You can't get a job in most low skilled occupations as an ex-con when you are competing with people who aren't here illegally and will work under the table, with no benefits, and for less money. If you want to reform ex-cons to productive citizens - change Democrat policies.

The first benefit to society in prisons is punishing people for violent behaviors and getting them off the streets.

Here's a thought exercise for you to prove the point. Suppose that it was proven that rehabilitation and reform never worked.

How can this prove your point when it's completely hypothetical?

I'll amend what I said though. The prison term should be a punishment, but prisons shouldn't be about punishment. For example, if someone goes to prison for murder, their sentence should count as their punishment. There's no reason to treat them inhumanely, or book them in poor, almost third-world living conditions. But, the current American culture see's these practices and conditions as part of their punishment, and that isn't right. All it does is foster the creation of prison violence, and increased criminal activity when prisoners are released. This is especially true for people who aren't in prison for violent offenses.

Democratic policies have nothing to do with this though.

Of course Democrats are to blame, both directly and indirectly. Whether we are talking about the cultural effect of welfare laws which increase the number of kids in single parent households, increasing their likelihood to become a convicted criminal, Or Democrats opposition to vouchers, school choice or even charter schools - resulting in poor children being far less likely to graduate and more likely to become a convicted criminal. Or the 1900's Democrat led fair sentencing laws which put more people in prison. Or Democrat policies which increase recidivism such as $15 an hour minimum wage laws or refusal to enforce immigration laws by making it harder for ex-cons to get a job.

A quick word about the "people who aren't in prison for violent offenses". More than half of the combined state and federal prison population committed one of 5 violent crimes. Here's the part I want you to take note of - most prisoner's whose primary listed offense is for a drug related crime committed a more serious crime. Would it surprise you to find out that state/federal prisoners in prison for "drug" crimes almost all plead guilty without going to trial; about 90%/97% respectively. Can you figure out why? They were pleading down from more serious crime. But even then, did you know that 97% of federal drug crime convictions are for trafficking? Now federal is much smaller than state, but the basic idea is the same - even people serving time for lesser drug crimes - likely committed more serious crimes than what they are serving time for.

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1. That is just dumb. Bush ceases to become the President once Obama took office.

As the President he can readily override whatever policies Bush had for Iraq, particularly if it involves national security threat relating to war.

He received warning from his commanders, he should have listen to them, Bush cannot compel him to make decision on anythng.

Blaming Bush for Obama's own decision is pretty stupid.

2. The angle with Libya is not a Conspiracy theory.

Clinton's email with Blumenthal clearly indicated that all those stories about Qaddafi were unsubstantiated rumors purported by the Rebels

Even the independent investigation conducted by the UK parliament agreed to this.

3. No, there was no sufficient evidence that Al Assad ordered the use of Chemical Weapons.

Logically there is no strategic value in gassing an area filled a civilians just to root out a few "rebels".

That doesnt make any sense.

Only an idiot who got duped by the so-called Qaddafi's Mass Rape Order would fall for the same similar stunt with this so called Al Assad chemical weapons used.

Speaking of history, you should have learned by now not to trust this kind of narrative after what happened to Iraq and Saddam's socalled weapons of mass destruction.

Policy and deals continue after a President leaves office. That's why you say that one President "inherits" the office of another. It's not like everything just resets. Obama didn't have to honor the terms Bush set forth, but he chose to. And keep in mind, at that time he was supported by a over 75% of Americans on this. And, like I already said, he was wrong to do so. He should've listened to his commanders about the festering of terrorism.

Blaming Bush for Obama's own decision is pretty stupid.

I never said or even implied this. The fact that that's all you gathered is pretty telling. You really can't think beyond some partisan right vs left, can you? You're the one LITERALLY trying to blame Obama for Trump pulling out of Syria. That's why we're having this argument damn lol

The angle with Libya is not a Conspiracy theory.

Clinton'semail with Blumenthal clearly indicated that all those stories about Qaddafi were unsubstantiated rumors purported by the Rebels

Lmao.....like I said.

No, there was no sufficient evidence that Al Assad ordered the use of Chemical Weapons.

We know chemical weapons were used against the families/people of the rebels fighting against him. So, to you, this suggest the rebels gassed their own families to put the blame on Assad to get the US and other Allies to help them kill Assad? Right? Wow.

Logically there is no strategic value in gassing an area filled a civilians just to root out a few "rebels".

That doesnt make any sense.

It makes perfect sense. It's war. Who said anything about the motive anyways??

Only an idiot who got duped by the so-called Qaddafi's Mass Rape Order would fall for the same similar stunt with this so called Al Assad chemical weapons used.

Yeah, you're so smart bro. Only you and people who agree with you can see through the "lies". Yeah, screw all the evidence and logic.

Speaking of history, you should have learned by now not to trust this kind of narrative after what happened to Iraq and Saddam's socalled weapons of mass destruction.

Yeah, there's a difference between seeing the evidence of an actual gas attack and attributing blame to someone and just claiming someone has nukes without evidence of the nukes. Or, are all those deaths faked by the "deep state"?? Or did the rebels kill their own people?? Which conspiracy are you rolling with again?

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Imagine creating false narratives and straight up propaganda just to justify a war your favorite president started.

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@lord_tenebrous said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/middleeast/turkey-attacks-syria.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/erdogan-announces-launch-of-turkish-offensive-into-syria/

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/politics/syria-turkey-invasion-intl-hnk/index.html

This is an utterly despicable move by Trump to pull out, our most consistent and faithful ally in the region has been abandoned by Trump to be slaughtered by the Turks. Identical to how we pulled out of Vietnam and left our allies there to be massacred. Curse this, Trump needs to put our troops back in Syria and forcibly expel the Turks ASAP. This is 100% unacceptable.

I stand with the other Republicans who, unlike Democrats, are being consistent in their views and not changing their values based on who is in office:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/republican-allies-blast-trumps-decision-to-hand-syria-to-turkey.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-syria-us-troop-withdrawal-turkey

https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-syria-withdrawal-e103594e-2417-4355-a5af-46a0f197e838.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-joins-other-republicans-in-rebuking-trumps-syria-withdrawal/2019/10/07/aef0d11e-e914-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-syria-withdrawal-congressional-republicans-condemn-decision/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/syria-backlash-trump-042654

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-syria-troop-pullout-reaction-republicans-call-trump-us-troop-pull-back-betrayal-of-allies-today/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/disaster-betrayal-mistake-republicans-slam-trump-s-syria-pull-out-n1063251

Trump is pulling an Obama, and it's downright repulsive:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44990594/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/obama-all-us-troops-out-iraq-end-year/

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/15/obama-ignored-generals-pleas-to-keep-american-forc/?utm_source=GOOGLE&utm_medium=cpc&utm_id=chacka&utm_campaign=TWT+-+DSA

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204618704576645150219910400

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/obama-us-troops-withdrawal-iraq

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-press-is-right-to-criticize-trumps-syria-withdrawal-where-were-they-on-obamas-iraq-withdrawal

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/columnists/trudy_rubin/trump-syria-middle-east-obama-isis-joseph-votel-20180404.html

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/how-2011-us-troop-withdrawal-iraq-led-rise-isis

https://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/26/obama.troops/index.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4862947/Obama-to-pull-troops-out-of-Iraq-by-2010.html

Trump needs to stop acting like a leftist and support our allies who are needlessly suffering because of stupid policies.

The thing is that the United States can't pretend to be the only one in sending troops to the middle east, look at the other Nato partners, they do nothing.

You can't compare this situation with the Vietnam war, because the ISIS is already defeated, they're imprisoned, and if they are escaping from the current Kurdish prisons, is because those ISIS fighters are not being executed in those prisons, it's no that complicated for a Kurdish soldier to just enter in one of those prisons with a machine gun and execute all of them if they have to abandon the posts so they can offer resistance against Turkey, remember, ISIS fighters are not conventional soldiers, they're terrorists.

PS:

Trump is very patriotic for this act, previous U.S presidents have been selling American soldier flesh in a bargain.

Trump is a president who is very attached to the American military, that's why a great number of the American military backs up Trump, because they know that Trump doesn't unnecessarily expose them to danger.

That's why Trump feels sure when postings this sort of things:

Trump knows that not only the military backs him up, but a huge amount of population with and without gun ownership, if a civil war breaks out.

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2 of Giuliani's co-conspirators have been arrested while trying to leave the country.

And now Fox News published a poll showing that most Americans want Trump impeached and removed from office.

The walls are closing in on Trump.

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If I had a dime for every time someone said that on this thread...

But, it is pretty easy to mislead Americans when the vast majority aren't even interested enough to vote and practically all the popular mainstream media, from CNN, newspapers, to late night talkshows, are pumping out debunked propaganda about the latest manufactured crisis.

Unfortunately, because of the tireless prevalence of false information nowadays, it takes actual effort to determine the truth. Something that most Americans won't do, and will instead hear the lies perpetuated by the MSM.

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@buttersdaman000:

Somehow, I knew that would be the one thing you focused on. Pathetically predictable. Reality is, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that Trump is behaving like Democrats did. Or, for that matter, that Republicans are being consistent while Democrats have hypocritically flip-flopped again because the person doing this is a Republican. 

And yes, they are from almost a decade ago. Because... that's when it happened. Doesn't take a lot of intelligence to get this.

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@lord_tenebrous:

Obviously. Like I said, it’s clockwork with shills like you. Literally can’t criticize your “side” without throwing dirt on the other. And, also like I said, it’s painfully obvious you’re just regurgitating talking points. You don’t have an original thought in you on this matter.

Like, honestly, what are Democrats flip flopping on now?? When haven’t the Republicans done the same?? Why are they “consistent”??

You just parrot talking points.

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@lord_tenebrous:

Obviously. Like I said, it’s clockwork with shills like you. Literally can’t criticize your “side” without throwing dirt on the other. And, also like I said, it’s painfully obvious you’re just regurgitating talking points. You don’t have an original thought in you on this matter.

Like, honestly, what are Democrats flip flopping on now?? When haven’t the Republicans done the same?? Why are they “consistent”??

You just parrot talking points.

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@cyborgzod said:

2 of Giuliani's co-conspirators have been arrested while trying to leave the country.

And now Fox News published a poll showing that most Americans want Trump impeached and removed from office.

The walls are closing in on Trump.

Well, 3 hours ago Fox Business has been throwing flowers to Trump, not sure from which Fox News division you're talking about, but it could perfectly be the case that many divisions are likely to side for other congressmen from the Republican party, we're coming to a point, where either the Republican or Democrat party are corrupt, the American people are starting to disbelieve in the conventional governmental leadership system between the Republicans or the Democrats.

When this phenomenon happens, half and beyond of the American population, is totally losing any sort of political representation.

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https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/617943.html

Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

"According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014]," Derkach said.

"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.

"Biden's fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin 'son of a bitch who was fired'," Derkach said.

The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.

After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.

"In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs documents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission," he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.

"Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption," Derkach said.

It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.

Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor's General Office.

He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.

Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine's top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.

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2 of Giuliani's co-conspirators have been arrested while trying to leave the country.

And now Fox News published a poll showing that most Americans want Trump impeached and removed from office.

The walls are closing in on Trump.

??????????

Giuliani was their lawyer. He has not been implicated with their election conduct.

The Fox News poll oversampled Democrats.

Someone's building Trump's wall? Great!!!!

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@just_sayin: Funny how they cry "faux" news until something supports what they want to hear.

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LOL, ignoring reality as usual. Trump drones never change.

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So, how many Kurds died today because of Trump?

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Oh right, President Bone Spurs doesn't want to help them because they weren't there at Normandy. LOL

Even some of the most repugnant Republicans like Lindsey Graham are now criticizing Trump. But that's ok, they'll go back to enabling him in his criminal behavior soon enough.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/education-department-says-it-will-fund-middle-east-studies-program-after-all/2019/10/10/ca1f787e-eb89-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html#comments-wrapper

Education Department says it will fund Middle East studies program after all

The Education Department said Thursday it will continue funding a Middle East studies program that it accused of advancing an ideological agenda. But in the face of critics, the agency sent a warning that it would not back off its oversight of similar programs.

In August, the department ordered the Duke-UNC Consortium for Middle East Studies to revise its offerings or risk losing a $235,000 federal grant. It accused the program of promoting a positive view of Islam while virtually ignoring Judaism, Christianity and other religions.

Conservatives have long accused universities of harboring anti-Semitic bias and have called for investigations into course offerings. The agency’s August letter was seen as a move to put other universities on notice that such alleged bias would not be tolerated.

Critics in higher education accused the administration of politicizing colleges and universities and violating academic freedom. Among them was the Middle Eastern Studies Association, which charged that the Education Department’s inquiry constituted “an unprecedented and counterproductive intervention into academic curricula and programming that threatens the integrity and autonomy of our country’s institutions of higher learning.”

In a formal response to the Education Department, the University of North Carolina defended the program. It did not offer to change its programs but said it would enhance oversight of the consortium and better record how spending matches the law’s requirements.

The Duke-UNC Consortium was founded in 2005 and seeks to bring people on both campuses together for scholarly and cultural events related to the Middle East and Muslim communities around the world.

UNC defends Middle East studies program against charges of bias toward Islam

On Thursday, Education Department spokeswoman Angela Morabito said the agency had released the grant funding for the Duke-UNC program. She also released a letter sent to the Middle Eastern Studies Association defending the Education Department’s investigation. In it, Robert King, an assistant secretary at the department, wrote that the government has an obligation to make sure grant recipients are adhering to requirements set out by law.

King said the law requires programs to include “balanced perspectives.” He said the department will not, as a general rule, dictate the content of courses and programs but will insist that the legal requirement for diverse perspectives be met.

“We are simply encouraging the Consortium to offer more perspectives, not fewer, in accordance with the law,” he wrote. He said the agency had no objection to a focus on Islam but wanted expanded offerings to include other religions.

He also made clear that the department is not going to relent on similar oversight.

“Federal grants are not blank checks from public coffers, and the Department intends to ensure that taxpayer funds are spent in alignment with Congressional directives,” he wrote.

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I'm finding all these companies bowing down to China disturbing. I knew something like this was coming for a long while now. A few others said the same thing but were dismissed. It's only the beginning. This is only the beginning. It won't happen right away but more will happen. I feel bad for those people in Hong Kong. I don't see them winning this.

Edit: This might be a repeat post. I don't remember or care.

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We've seen this movie before, with Nixon. Trump is now going down the road to impeachment and he has decided to go down flailing and basically abusing any and all of his powers in order to try to save himself. However, all this creates are more examples of abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and outright unhinged and criminal behavior... which ironically is more cause for Republicans in Congress to break with him, and Democrats to further force the impeachment. And even if Republicans continue their path of supporting criminality and un-democratic behavior, voters will not be so kind. The polling is already showing this. Good luck to Republicans in 2020.

And make no mistake, by refusing to cooperate with Congress on their subpoenas and inquiry, Trump is absolutely obstructing justice. The letter from his lawyer about how he needs a full Congress and he must have "due process" is laughable and most legal scholars that have commented on it have said as much.

Then you have Giuliani who's in his own world of hurt now, with Trump once again violating campaign finance laws with that stunt of demanding the cooperation of the Ukrainian leader (and later the Chinese) to help him win an election. I mean... how many laws can you break with one act? Campaign finance laws broken... almost certainly. Bribery... also almost certainly. Covering up and destroying evidence... definitely. Abuse of power... definitely. And you pile in the Emoluments violations, previous campaign finance laws violated, obstruction of justice related to the Mueller Report, and various other abuses of power... and there is more than enough cause for Congress to immediately impeach and remove from office.

Like I said, we've seen this before, and what comes next will almost certainly be similar to Nixon. More facts will come out, more people will testify (already 2 whistleblowers), and Trump will continue his insane behavior. Hell, he doesnt even have any adults left in his administration to try to stop him... anyone with half a brain and competence has left or been fired long ago. This is a grave that Trump dug himself and he has no one but himself to blame. It's not Democrats, or the media, or the "deep state", or whatever other bullshit his supporters are trying to push this week. Everything here is due to his own lack of morality, his incompetence and sheer stupidity, his greed, and his ridiculous belief that he's above the law. The guy even tried to make that argument in court... which the judge said was “repugnant to the nation’s governmental structure and constitutional values".

So far everything Trump has done falls entirely within the realm of actions that the Founders wanted to guard against with the rules of impeachment. "High crimes and misdemeanors" was about a President abusing his power and acting against the interests of the nation. It had and has nothing to do with specific criminal acts. Anyone who doubts this need only look at the Articles of Impeachment against Andrew Johnson, or look up the English common law usage of the terms.

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“I cooperate all the time with everybody” - Trump lie #10,228

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And even if Republicans continue their path of supporting criminality and un-democratic behavior, voters will not be so kind. The polling is already showing this. Good luck to Republicans in 2020.

Willie, Republicans do not support "criminality", that's why we want Biden investigated. We support Ukraine looking into Hillary's role in the meddling of the 2016 election too. We are all for locking her up.We want justice.

The president of the Ukraine has been emphatic that there was no quid pro quo with Trump. While other Ukrainian officials have gone on record saying that there was a quid pro Joe with Joe. I don't want to lock Joe up without a fair investigation and trial, but I do support having an investigation into his alleged quid pro quo.

And thanks for wishing us Republicans good luck.

And make no mistake, by refusing to cooperate with Congress on their subpoenas and inquiry, Trump is absolutely obstructing justice. The letter from his lawyer about how he needs a full Congress and he must have "due process" is laughable and most legal scholars that have commented on it have said as much.

If congress wants to have an official impeachment inquiry, then have the vote to have the impeachment inquiry. Having secret meetings with special rules that keep Republicans from asking questions the same number of questions, not allowing them to bring staff, and refusing to release the transcripts of witnesses are just an indicator that an open just inquiry is not what is intended. In a true inquiry, Republicans would get to call Schiff, Biden, and even Obama. Every Republican I know is all for questioning them. Why wouldn't Democrats want an open just inquiry?

Then you have Giuliani who's in his own world of hurt now, with Trump once again violating campaign finance laws with that stunt of demanding the cooperation of the Ukrainian leader (and later the Chinese) to help him win an election. I mean... how many laws can you break with one act? Campaign finance laws broken... almost certainly. Bribery... also almost certainly. Covering up and destroying evidence... definitely. Abuse of power... definitely. And you pile in the Emoluments violations, previous campaign finance laws violated, obstruction of justice related to the Mueller Report, and various other abuses of power... and there is more than enough cause for Congress to immediately impeach and remove from office.

Willie, I love it when you go all emoluments! Truth is the transcript of the phone call shows there was no quid pro quo. No discussion of any punitive action is discussed. The president has a right, by treaty, to call for an investigation - especially one where a high ranking US official was accused by a former high ranking Ukranian of getting him fired to stop an investigation into his son's company and threatening to deny the Ukraine a billion dollars in aid if he demands were not met. That seems like something we should have an investigation about.

Now I saw where the Ukraine ambassador went on record saying that Clinton campaign officials sought dirt on Trump through official Ukrainian government channels. So, you are right there was definitely violations of campaign finance laws, bribery, and abuse of power. Just not the ones you think.

So far everything Trump has done falls entirely within the realm of actions that the Founders wanted to guard against with the rules of impeachment. "High crimes and misdemeanors" was about a President abusing his power and acting against the interests of the nation. It had and has nothing to do with specific criminal acts. Anyone who doubts this need only look at the Articles of Impeachment against Andrew Johnson, or look up the English common law usage of the terms.

Willie, you know that the Supreme Court vindicated President Johnson and ruled that he was right in his claim of presidential power a few years after his impeachment, right?

I'm still looking for a crime here, not from the Democrats side - I can see lots of crimes there. I have not yet seen where the treaty with Ukraine limits the president from asking for an investigation into a political opponent. I am not seeing a quid pro quo, well other than Biden's. We know Obama asked for an investigation into a member of Trump's election campaign, Paul Manafort. And if asking for investigation into political rival is a crime, I certainly want Obama prosecuted. And who wouldn't want that?

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@buttersdaman000: Butter, do you ever wonder why so many on the left just assumed that the lady who was screaming "we must eat the babies!" in order to stop global warming was just one of their own regular environmental wackos? To me the reason is obvious, but I'll give you another example. Do you know what the latest environmental cause of wackjob lefties is? That's right its recycled toilet paper. I couldn't make this crap up if I tried. Yep, environmental wackjobs are demanding that Charmin start using recycled paper. You just know that the advertising campaign "Charmin, now made with recycled paper" is going to be a big seller. And for the record, recycled toilet paper would actually be worse for the environment (read the article).

But while Democrats are demanding to wipe their butts with recycled toilet paper, they are trying to stop fracking, which has been responsible, in the US, for a tremendous drop in CO2 emissions. Far less coal has been used. But Democrats don't want natural gas which is much cleaner than coal, they want recycled toilet paper! Further, Democrats oppose nuclear energy which according to scientists is the only energy source that does not emit HGH gasses and can scale to millions and millions of people at this time. This is projected to be the state of things for the next fifty years. Solar is not projected to be as cheap or scalable even then. But instead of actually doing something that would significantly reduce CO2 emissions, Democrats want to recycle toilet paper.

Do you know that the cost of clean nuclear would drop significantly if the anti-science left wasn't so against it. Nuclear is statistically way safer than geothermal or solar, but Democrats would rather plug cows asses and make you use recycled toilet paper!!!! At least the woman who wants to eat the babies has a strategy that would actually reduced CO2 emissions!!!! So the next time you wipe your ass, think what Democrats want to do to it. I know I will.

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"Obviously. Like I said, it’s clockwork with shills like you. Literally can’t criticize your 'side' without throwing dirt on the other."

Since we're just brainlessly repeating ourselves and pretending this doesn't make us look stupid, I'll repeat my response: 

Reality is, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that Trump is behaving like Democrats did... 

- Trump acts like a leftist by abandoning our allies  

- I point out that he is, and condemn him for his actions

Your seething tantrum -- more than likely triggered by the fact that this incident contradicts the narrative you (and others) have conceived that Trump supporters defend his positions no matter what, which is but a projection of what the left does when their presidents are in office -- is justified how again? 

"And, also like I said, it’s painfully obvious you’re just regurgitating talking points. You don’t have an original thought in you on this matter.| You just parrot talking points)" 

^ This right here is the product of someone's bubble being popped. Sad, but amusing. 

"Like, honestly, what are Democrats flip flopping on now?? When haven’t the Republicans done the same?? Why are they 'consistent'??"

Literally already explained it in the comment that triggered you... you're not big on reading are you? But I'll not only reiterate, but elaborate. Republicans condemned Obama for pulling out of Iraq, while Democrats praised the pullout for the same reasons Trump is absurdly citing for pulling out of Syria: 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-slams-dems-praise-obama-over-iraq-withdrawal/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204618704576645150219910400

http://world.time.com/2011/10/21/iraq-not-obama-called-time-on-the-u-s-troop-presence/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/04/rick-perry-obama-iraq-war-withdrawing-troops-2016-election

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/obama-foreign-policy-gop-senators-policy-attack-108062

https://www.stripes.com/news/obama-all-u-s-troops-coming-home-from-iraq-by-year-s-end-1.158360

Now that Trump is doing it, however, Democrats have predictably flipped and are condemning him for it: 

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Democrats-issue-letter-to-Trump-condemning-14504942.php

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/464687-2020-democrats-hit-trumps-planned-syria-withdraw

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/democrats-issue-letter-to-trump-condemning-his-decision-to-withdraw-troops-from-northeastern-syria/2019/10/09/6fe80a8a-eace-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://spanberger.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2118

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/10719

Republicans, on the other hand, have predictably stayed true to their values and are condemning Trump for his idiotic move: 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/betrayal-republicans-slam-trump-syria-move-191007153601112.html

https://www.axios.com/republican-reaction-trump-syria-withdrawal-turkey-3fe85049-0397-40ed-a81e-58ca0f8cb4eb.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kurds-syria-turkey-trump-1.5311365

https://www.ft.com/content/af652f32-e950-11e9-a240-3b065ef5fc55

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2019/10/07/trumps-syria-withdrawal-announcement-draws-gop-condemnation/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/07/trump-turkey-syria-invasion-037052

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/republican-allies-blast-trumps-decision-to-hand-syria-to-turkey.html

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/10/07/key-republicans-dems-blast-trumps-surprise-syria-withdrawal/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-syria-us-troop-withdrawal-turkey

https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-syria-withdrawal-e103594e-2417-4355-a5af-46a0f197e838.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-joins-other-republicans-in-rebuking-trumps-syria-withdrawal/2019/10/07/aef0d11e-e914-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-syria-withdrawal-congressional-republicans-condemn-decision/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress/us-republicans-join-democrats-to-blast-trumps-syria-withdrawal-idUSKBN1WM1ZO

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/syria-backlash-trump-042654

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-syria-troop-pullout-reaction-republicans-call-trump-us-troop-pull-back-betrayal-of-allies-today/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/disaster-betrayal-mistake-republicans-slam-trump-s-syria-pull-out-n1063251

Even pro-Trump Christian leaders are condemning him: 

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/09/768697873/evangelical-christian-leaders-push-back-on-turkish-invasion-of-northern-syria

It's a trend now; a joke, even. What will Democrats flip on next? They've already done it in regard to: 

- Lying to the American people(okay when Bill does it, bad when Trump does it)  

- Collusion(Trump -- being falsely accused of -- doing it is bad, it's good when Hillary does it) 

- Incitement to violence(Trump says we're being invaded at the border is bad, Bernie saying millions will die, AOC saying the world will end in 12 years, saying ICE detention centers are concentration camps, good)

- Sexual assault accusations(Bill didn't do it, ignore the evidence! But with Kavanaugh? Believe all women!) 

- Goverment shutdowns(Obama doing it, good, Trump doing it, bad) 

- Executive orders to ram through agendas that Congress won't agree with(bad when Trump does it, good when Obama does it) 

- Russian threat(pre-Trump Democrats routinely making fun of Republicans for being harsh on Russia, good, Trump doing business with Russians, bad) 

- Threatening a foreign power in order to get them to get dirt on political opponents(Trump -- being falsely accused of -- doing it is bad, Obama doing it, good) 

And now, we can add stupid pullouts that hand over unstable, potentially threatening regions to hostile powers, abandoning our faithful allies to be massacred, and allowing terrorists to regroup to the ever-growing list. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that Democrats haven't yet started advocating for the lynching of homosexuals, since Trump is firmly pro-LGBTQ.

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@buttersdaman000: Butter, do you ever wonder why so many on the left just assumed that the lady who was screaming "we must eat the babies!" in order to stop global warming was just one of their own regular environmental wackos? To me the reason is obvious, but I'll give you another example. Do you know what the latest environmental cause of wackjob lefties is? That's right its recycled toilet paper. I couldn't make this crap up if I tried. Yep, environmental wackjobs are demanding that Charmin start using recycled paper. You just know that the advertising campaign "Charmin, now made with recycled paper" is going to be a big seller. And for the record, recycled toilet paper would actually be worse for the environment (read the article).

But while Democrats are demanding to wipe their butts with recycled toilet paper, they are trying to stop fracking, which has been responsible, in the US, for a tremendous drop in CO2 emissions. Far less coal has been used. But Democrats don't want natural gas which is much cleaner than coal, they want recycled toilet paper! Further, Democrats oppose nuclear energy which according to scientists is the only energy source that does not emit HGH gasses and can scale to millions and millions of people at this time. This is projected to be the state of things for the next fifty years. Solar is not projected to be as cheap or scalable even then. But instead of actually doing something that would significantly reduce CO2 emissions, Democrats want to recycle toilet paper.

Do you know that the cost of clean nuclear would drop significantly if the anti-science left wasn't so against it. Nuclear is statistically way safer than geothermal or solar, but Democrats would rather plug cows asses and make you use recycled toilet paper!!!! At least the woman who wants to eat the babies has a strategy that would actually reduced CO2 emissions!!!! So the next time you wipe your ass, think what Democrats want to do to it. I know I will.

Butter, do you ever wonder why so many on the left just assumed that the lady who was screaming "we must eat the babies!" in order to stop global warming was just one of their own regular environmental wackos?

I'm pretty sure most people on "the left" were just confused by her outburst. There's always wackos. From that article I sent you a while back, only people who wanted to believe it, believed it.

Do you know what the latest environmental cause of wackjob lefties is? That's right its recycled toilet paper. I couldn't make this crap up if I tried. Yep, environmental wackjobs are demanding that Charmin start using recycled paper.

The article is saying that they want to start using more recycled paper to make toilet paper, not that they want to recycle used toilet paper. I don't even think that would be possible. I don't see anything wrong with using recycled paper over cutting down more trees. We should use bidets more anyways.

But while Democrats are demanding to wipe their butts with recycled toilet paper, they are trying to stop fracking, which has been responsible, in the US, for a tremendous drop in CO2 emissions. Far less coal has been used. But Democrats don't want natural gas which is much cleaner than coal, they want recycled toilet paper!

Fracking is a pretty hotly debated topic. I'm not going to pretend to have an opinion on it just to side with my party. From what I gathered in a 5 min google search, it seems like there are several benefits and concerns. For the most part though, the science is still out on whether it's for the greater good or not.

Further, Democrats oppose nuclear energy which according to scientists is the only energy source that does not emit HGH gasses and can scale to millions and millions of people at this time.

Same goes for nuclear energy.

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@buttersdaman000:

On a side note, feel free to let yourself have the last word. I'm enmeshed in too many discussions as is, this one is a further drag on my time. Plus, I already know exactly what you are going to say.

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@lord_tenebrous said:

@buttersdaman000:

On a side note, feel free to let yourself have the last word. I'm enmeshed in too many discussions as is, this one is a further drag on my time. Plus, I already know exactly what you are going to say.

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@buttersdaman000:

"Obviously. Like I said, it’s clockwork with shills like you. Literally can’t criticize your 'side' without throwing dirt on the other."

Since we're just brainlessly repeating ourselves and pretending this doesn't make us look stupid, I'll repeat my response:

Reality is, there's nothing wrong with pointing out that Trump is behaving like Democrats did...

- Trump acts like a leftist by abandoning our allies

- I point out that he is, and condemn him for his actions

Your seething tantrum -- more than likely triggered by the fact that this incident contradicts the narrative you (and others) have conceived that Trump supporters defend his positions no matter what, which is but a projection of what the left does when their presidents are in office -- is justified how again?

"And, also like I said, it’s painfully obvious you’re just regurgitating talking points. You don’t have an original thought in you on this matter.| You just parrot talking points)"

^ This right here is the product of someone's bubble being popped. Sad, but amusing.

"Like, honestly, what are Democrats flip flopping on now?? When haven’t the Republicans done the same?? Why are they 'consistent'??"

Literally already explained it in the comment that triggered you... you're not big on reading are you? But I'll not only reiterate, but elaborate. Republicans condemned Obama for pulling out of Iraq, while Democrats praised the pullout for the same reasons Trump is absurdly citing for pulling out of Syria:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-slams-dems-praise-obama-over-iraq-withdrawal/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204618704576645150219910400

http://world.time.com/2011/10/21/iraq-not-obama-called-time-on-the-u-s-troop-presence/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/04/rick-perry-obama-iraq-war-withdrawing-troops-2016-election

https://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/obama-foreign-policy-gop-senators-policy-attack-108062

https://www.stripes.com/news/obama-all-u-s-troops-coming-home-from-iraq-by-year-s-end-1.158360

Now that Trump is doing it, however, Democrats have predictably flipped and are condemning him for it:

https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Democrats-issue-letter-to-Trump-condemning-14504942.php

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/464687-2020-democrats-hit-trumps-planned-syria-withdraw

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/democrats-issue-letter-to-trump-condemning-his-decision-to-withdraw-troops-from-northeastern-syria/2019/10/09/6fe80a8a-eace-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://spanberger.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2118

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/10719

Republicans, on the other hand, have predictably stayed true to their values and are condemning Trump for his idiotic move:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/betrayal-republicans-slam-trump-syria-move-191007153601112.html

https://www.axios.com/republican-reaction-trump-syria-withdrawal-turkey-3fe85049-0397-40ed-a81e-58ca0f8cb4eb.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kurds-syria-turkey-trump-1.5311365

https://www.ft.com/content/af652f32-e950-11e9-a240-3b065ef5fc55

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2019/10/07/trumps-syria-withdrawal-announcement-draws-gop-condemnation/

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/07/trump-turkey-syria-invasion-037052

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/republican-allies-blast-trumps-decision-to-hand-syria-to-turkey.html

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/10/07/key-republicans-dems-blast-trumps-surprise-syria-withdrawal/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-syria-us-troop-withdrawal-turkey

https://www.axios.com/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-syria-withdrawal-e103594e-2417-4355-a5af-46a0f197e838.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-joins-other-republicans-in-rebuking-trumps-syria-withdrawal/2019/10/07/aef0d11e-e914-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-syria-withdrawal-congressional-republicans-condemn-decision/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress/us-republicans-join-democrats-to-blast-trumps-syria-withdrawal-idUSKBN1WM1ZO

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/09/syria-backlash-trump-042654

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-graham-syria-troop-pullout-reaction-republicans-call-trump-us-troop-pull-back-betrayal-of-allies-today/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/disaster-betrayal-mistake-republicans-slam-trump-s-syria-pull-out-n1063251

Even pro-Trump Christian leaders are condemning him:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/09/768697873/evangelical-christian-leaders-push-back-on-turkish-invasion-of-northern-syria

It's a trend now; a joke, even. What will Democrats flip on next? They've already done it in regard to:

- Lying to the American people(okay when Bill does it, bad when Trump does it)

- Collusion(Trump -- being falsely accused of -- doing it is bad, it's good when Hillary does it)

- Incitement to violence(Trump says we're being invaded at the border is bad, Bernie saying millions will die, AOC saying the world will end in 12 years, saying ICE detention centers are concentration camps, good)

- Sexual assault accusations(Bill didn't do it, ignore the evidence! But with Kavanaugh? Believe all women!)

- Goverment shutdowns(Obama doing it, good, Trump doing it, bad)

- Executive orders to ram through agendas that Congress won't agree with(bad when Trump does it, good when Obama does it)

- Russian threat(pre-Trump Democrats routinely making fun of Republicans for being harsh on Russia, good, Trump doing business with Russians, bad)

- Threatening a foreign power in order to get them to get dirt on political opponents(Trump -- being falsely accused of -- doing it is bad, Obama doing it, good)

And now, we can add stupid pullouts that hand over unstable, potentially threatening regions to hostile powers, abandoning our faithful allies to be massacred, and allowing terrorists to regroup to the ever-growing list. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that Democrats haven't yet started advocating for the lynching of homosexuals, since Trump is firmly pro-LGBTQ.

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And now ISIS is escaping. Luckily, not many this time:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-turkey-syria-prison-bombing-kurds-sdf-a9152536.html?amp

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-vance/trump-urges-appeals-court-to-shield-tax-returns-from-n-y-prosecutors-idUSKBN1WQ2OE

3 years later, Trump still wont release his tax returns.

How long does that audit take??

Oh, right... it doesnt matter. Being audited has nothing to do with him releasing his tax returns.

So... what's Trump hiding? How many Russian ties does he have that he wants to cover up? Is it that, or something else? He seems pretty happy to do favors for the Saudis. What ties does he have there that he wants hidden?

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And now ISIS is escaping. Luckily, not many this time:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-turkey-syria-prison-bombing-kurds-sdf-a9152536.html?amp

Yeah, this kind of thing is scary. People need to realize that electing an incompetent, corrupt, moron as President does have consequences.

Notice how every time Trump sides with some country or leader... it's because he has financial ties to them. How many buildings and financial interests does Trump have in Turkey? A lot. How many in Kurdistan? None.

Same thing happened with Russia. Trump had/has a lot of business ties to Russia, even though during the campaign he actually lied and said he didnt. And as soon as he's elected he starts to condemn and attack our own intelligence agencies who warned that the Russians illegally helped him win. Of course Trump doesnt care... this is the guy who paid Cambridge Analytica to put up fake Facebook posts and lie to people in order to distort our elections.

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Trump Tower in Istanbul, Turkey
Trump Tower in Istanbul, Turkey

In case anyone wonders why Trump sides with a dictator over our best allies, this is Trump Tower in Istanbul which licenses the Trump name for the building.

Trump makes millions from Turkey.

Trump makes zero from the Kurds. Oh, right, and apparently they also were not there in Normandy during WWII. At least that's the best excuse the "stable genius" could come up with for why he's allowing them to get slaughtered after they fought and died with our troops against ISIS.

Someone tell me WHY anyone other group or country would ever ally with us again? Trump is showing the world that if you fight with the U.S., we WILL screw you over as soon as it's convenient.

I'd certainly be reconsidering things if I were Germany or Japan. If Trump think's that NOT BEING in Normandy is cause for us to let you get slaughtered, just imagine how much we'll screw you over if you WERE there... but on the other side. They better start building lots of "Trump Towers"...