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#8201 Posted by destinyman75 (15966 posts) - - Show Bio

@sc: you are correct Trump's the worst but some really are trying too hard to make him look bad, he dies that all on his own

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#8202 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

Comparing Baltimore and LA with the poorest town in Russia which is at least cleaner than both.

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#8203 Posted by Razcaz (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r: Who do you think is going to win the Dem nomination. When it started I said Liz Warren.

@dernman: Will's a good dude. He's just really frustrated with the political temperature, especially from his perspective.

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#8204 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@razcaz: At this point it's up in the air, it's hard to tell at this point.

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#8205 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Oh wow, the white supremacist is back on the board.

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#8206 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: Oh wow, the white supremacist is back on the board.

Oh right, so give some reasons why you consider me a white supremacist.

In fact, white people were the ones who abolished slavery way earlier than Africans, Arabs, South Americans and Asians.

Timeline of abolition of slavery

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#8207 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Because of the things you said, you said you don't want immigrants in your country, you blamed them for your problems, you said that your culture is superior, you said that people shouldn't speak their language in your country or practice their religion or customs in your country, and the list goes on and on.

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#8208 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: Because of the things you said, you said you don't want immigrants in your country, you blamed them for your problems, you said that your culture is superior, you said that people shouldn't speak their language in your country or practice their religion or customs in your country, and the list goes on and on.

I don't want unqualified immigration in my country, I don't want parallel societies and counter cultures in my country, so simple as that, I want integration.

Western culture is superior because we pushed the world, a lot of non-western cultures are either in stagnation or collapsed, look at China, they enslave their own population.

Facts are facts.

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#8209 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Western Culture is a culture of diversity, take the U.S. for example, most of the advancements were made here in America and America is the most diverse nation on earth.

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#8210 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: There isn't really a thing as western Culture, Western Culture by nature because of it's diversity is a hodgepodge of different cultural traits from all over the world, just take a look at NASA and Silicon Valley almost all of them have origins from all over the world, I have an uncle in NASA (won't give out his name for privacy reasons) who was a major part of the MARS rover exploratory mission.

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#8211 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: Western Culture is a culture of diversity, take the U.S. for example, most of the advancements were made here in America and America is the most diverse nation on earth.

America developed well, because they allowed qualified immigration, the first settlements in America were European in its majority, Western settlements, then we have the first Hispanics which integrated very well, there are a lot of Hispanics in the US which their ancestry originates from the first Hispanics and they don't talk Spanish anymore, they abandoned it, they completely assimilated Western culture and raised their children as Americans, the same can be said about Italians without counting Sicilians who're a bit rebels, but even Sicilian Italians knew that it was America and not supposed to be a Sicilian replica.

The new waves of illegal and unqualified immigration expect an improved replica of their countries in the United States.

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#8212 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze:

@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: Western Culture is a culture of diversity, take the U.S. for example, most of the advancements were made here in America and America is the most diverse nation on earth.

America developed well, because they allowed qualified immigration, the first settlements in America were European in its majority, Western settlements, then we have the first Hispanics which integrated very well, there are a lot of Hispanics in the US which their ancestry originates from the first Hispanics and they don't talk Spanish anymore, they abandoned it, they completely assimilated Western culture and raised their children as Americans, the same can be said about Italians without counting Sicilians who're a bit rebels, but even Sicilian Italians knew that it was America and not supposed to be a Sicilian replica.

The new waves of illegal and unqualified immigration expect an improved replica of their countries in the United States.

The first settlements were Native Americans in America.

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#8213 Edited by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: The first settlements were Native American settlements, that's why so many states and cities in America still have their Native American names, and in the western half of the United States many cities and states have Hispanic names because of the Mexican influence on those areas like El Paso for example.

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#8214 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: There isn't really a thing as western Culture, Western Culture by nature because of it's diversity is a hodgepodge of different cultural traits from all over the world, just take a look at NASA and Silicon Valley almost all of them have origins from all over the world, I have an uncle in NASA (won't give out his name for privacy reasons) who was a major part of the MARS rover exploratory mission.

"Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Occidental culture, the Western world, Western society, and European civilization, is the heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, artifacts and technologies that originated in or are associated with Europe. The term also applies beyond Europe to countries and cultures whose histories are strongly connected to Europe by immigration, colonization, or influence. For example, Western culture includes countries in the Americas and Australasia, whose language and demographic ethnicity majorities are European. Western culture has its roots in Greco-Roman culture from classical antiquity"

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#8215 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Many of the advancements in the world today were the brain child of people that you would call foreigners, take a look again at Silicon Valley.

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: The first settlements were Native American settlements, that's why so many states and cities in America still have their Native American names, and in the western half of the United States many cities and states have Hispanic names because of the Mexican influence on those areas like El Paso for example.

"The Mexican-American War was formally concluded by the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The United States received the disputed Texan territory, as well as NewMexico territory and California. The Mexican government was paid $15 million — the same sum issued to France for the Louisiana Territory."

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#8217 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio
@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: The first settlements were Native American settlements, that's why so many states and cities in America still have their Native American names, and in the western half of the United States many cities and states have Hispanic names because of the Mexican influence on those areas like El Paso for example.

"The Mexican-American War was formally concluded by the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The United States received the disputed Texan territory, as well as NewMexico territory and California. The Mexican government was paid $15 million — the same sum issued to France for the Louisiana Territory."

^I could have told you that, that's what I already said.

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@black3stpanth3r said:
@abstractraze said:
@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: The first settlements were Native American settlements, that's why so many states and cities in America still have their Native American names, and in the western half of the United States many cities and states have Hispanic names because of the Mexican influence on those areas like El Paso for example.

"The Mexican-American War was formally concluded by the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The United States received the disputed Texan territory, as well as NewMexico territory and California. The Mexican government was paid $15 million — the same sum issued to France for the Louisiana Territory."

^I could have told you that, that's what I already said.

After the American-Mexican war, many Mexicans decided to stay, they are part of the first Hispanics, in fact, all the 99% of Hispanics which are descendants from the first American Hispanics speak English today.

That's why we see Hispanics in the conservative spectrum like here:

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They completely reject the idea to replicate their countries of origin in the United States of America, even Hispanics which are descendants from previous qualified immigration from the 60's and many from the 80's.

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#8219 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze:

They completely reject the idea of a replica in the United States of America, even Hispanics which are descendants from previous qualified immigration from the 60's.

What is this Replica thing that you are talking about? This is the first I have heard of this. Everyone wants to come to America because America is the greatest Nation on earth, not your country, not Russia, but America. Immigrants want to migrate here for the same reasons that George Washington's Ancestors came here, to make a better life for themselves and their families.

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#8220 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: To change the subject for one moment, what do you think about Brexit?

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze:

They completely reject the idea of a replica in the United States of America, even Hispanics which are descendants from previous qualified immigration from the 60's.

What is this Replica thing that you are talking about? This is the first I have heard of this. Everyone wants to come to America because America is the greatest Nation on earth, not your country, not Russia, but America. Immigrants want to migrate here for the same reasons that George Washington's Ancestors came here, to make a better life for themselves and their families.

The 99% of descendants from the first Hispanics completely reject the idea to replicate their countries of origin in the United States of America, while the recent waves of illegal and unqualified immigration expect a replica.

To reject the English language and impose your native language for the mere reason of being lazy to not learn the distinguished language in the region, in fact, we see how the recent waves of immigration are starting to evade or exclude Americans who speak English and only form friend circles between Hispanics for the simple reason to not learn the English language and there we see how parallel cultures and counter cultures are born.

To reject Western culture, Western standards which were predominantly imprinted in the United States of America.

Western society:

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"Western culture, sometimes equated with Western civilization, Occidental culture, the Western world, Western society, and European civilization, is the heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems, artifacts and technologies that originated in or are associated with Europe. The term also applies beyond Europe to countries and cultures whose histories are strongly connected to Europe by immigration, colonization, or influence. For example, Western culture includes countries in the Americas and Australasia, whose language and demographic ethnicity majorities are European. Western culture has its roots in Greco-Roman culture from classical antiquity"

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#8222 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Why would they want to replicate something that they are trying to get away from? What do you think of Brexit? How will Brexit affect your country?

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@abstractraze: Why would they want to replicate something that they are trying to get away from? What do you think of Brexit? How will Brexit affect your country?

Yes, exactly, but it's happening, you currently see how many illegal and unqualified immigration from South America are excluding Americans which only rely on the English language, they don't want to become Americans, they don't want to learn English and the easiest way to capitalize on it, is the exclusion of Americans and only form or create Hispanic friend circles and there you have it, parallel cultures and counter cultures.

There are a lot of Americans with Hispanic background which are in indignation, because their ancestors never did that, they integrated within the American society in the past, the first Hispanics did that.

The Brexit weakened the EU at least.

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#8224 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio
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@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: How will Brexit affect your country?

It's a matter of the negotiations, but according to the future of European financial centers, Frankfurt am Main is going to succeed London as the second most influential center of finances behind New York (Wallstreet), there are no doubts that the UK was and still is one of Germany's most important partners, but let us see.

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@dernman: Will's a good dude. He's just really frustrated with the political temperature, especially from his perspective.

That's not an excuse. Everyone is frustrated now and it's only going to get worse If Trump is reelected. Maybe even if he loses. It's not like the left craziness isn't increasing also. If he can't handle his shit now what about then?

It might not always work but I've been trying to decrease my bickering and deescalate myself.

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#8227 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: The thing with Brexit is that it's going to have a reverberating affect all around the world because of the importance of British currency.

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#8228 Posted by Dernman (26468 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: The thing with Brexit is that it's going to have a reverberating affect all around the world because of the importance of British currency.

Personally I think the hit will be short term but will eventually even out. I'm not a resident so take that for what it's worth.

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@abstractraze: The thing with Brexit is that it's going to have a reverberating affect all around the world because of the importance of British currency.

A lot of international stockholders and the financial bank in general, moved from London to Frankfurt in Germany.

If the UK advocates for a total separation from the EU, there will be a lot of harm whether in London, in the Wall Street New York City or in the Bankenviertel Frankfurt.

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#8230 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze:

@black3stpanth3r said:

@abstractraze: The thing with Brexit is that it's going to have a reverberating affect all around the world because of the importance of British currency.

A lot of international stockholders and the financial bank in general, moved from London to Frankfurt in Germany.

If the UK advocates for a total separation from the EU, there will be a lot of harm whether in London, in the Wall Street New York City or in the Bankenviertel Frankfurt.

^exactly I agree with this, and that's kind of the issue I have with isolationism, with the way the world is today we are more interconnected then ever, in terms of the Tariffs we are beginning to see the affects on the American farmer.

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#8231 Posted by Lil_Remains (1767 posts) - - Show Bio

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@lil_remains said:

Lol the bitch is dead.

Rest in piss Epstein. Hopefully Trump, Bush and Obama follow soon.

Very nice of you.

I’m sorry, you’re right. I should learn to respect child rapists more.

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#8232 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze:

You know, the funny part is that one thing that really does suppress wage growth and limit opportunity for Americans is allowing educated, non poor workers into the country via H-1B visas. Can't tell you how many high paying tech jobs I've seen go to less skilled foreign labor that costs half as much.

But no, migrant farm workers are what Trump has you all worked up about. I guess those are the kind of jobs you're competing for

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#8233 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: The qualified immigrants are actually taking jobs that me or you would want, so be careful what you wish for if you only want as you say "qualified immigrants" what qualifications are those again? In my line of business I've seen countless jobs go to qualified immigrants and they get paid a lot less.

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#8234 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

We need stronger border enforcement, but not costly and impractical border walls

We need a way to effectively and efficiently process immigrants that show up at our border, with most being escorted back to their country of origin

We need to humanely deal with illegals that are in this country which includes finding a way to grant legal status to dreamers

We need to realize the US needs legal immigration to grow its economy (and always has)

We need better partnerships with latin american countries to reduce the flow of illegal immigration

We need to hold businesses accountable for not hiring illegal immigrants

Most importantly, we need a leader that can think, talk, and act rationally, and is

capable of negotiating hard deals within his/her party, as well as with members of the other party.

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#8235 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

No one hates America more than Trump. He hates freedom of the press. He hates our court system. He hates our voting system. He hates our system of government. He hates our athletes. He hates the constitution. No one complains more about America than Trump.

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#8236 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

Does he ever have anything good to say about America?

First wife was only in the USA for a year before they married.

4 of his 5 children are from women who were not citizens when they gave birth.

It's obvious he's used this immigration issue to score political points, it wasn't an issue for him before he started running for President, after all he knowingly hired undocumented workers for years. Now think really hard , we didn't hear any of this stuff coming from Trump for years, we only started hearing about his immigration beefs when he ran for President.

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#8237 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

Welfare rates are much higher in red states, and he has the nerves to attack Baltimore. Mulvaney has a lot of nerve to insult Baltimore, the district that he represented is one of the poorest districts in the country.

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#8238 Edited by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks to me like lots of red states have the highest poverty rates: MS, TN, WV, AL, LA, KY etc.

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#8239 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

People who love free market capitalism do not impose tariffs on imports and then lie about who has to pay the tariffs.

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#8240 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

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@abstractraze:

You know, the funny part is that one thing that really does suppress wage growth and limit opportunity for Americans is allowing educated, non poor workers into the country via H-1B visas. Can't tell you how many high paying tech jobs I've seen go to less skilled foreign labor that costs half as much.

But no, migrant farm workers are what Trump has you all worked up about. I guess those are the kind of jobs you're competing for

There are a lot of homeless people in America, if America already has a homeless problem + to consider a lot of factories closed in the country so they can move to China, those even worsening the chances to take a job, how would some sane person advocate for open borders and uneducated/unqualified immigration into the country?

The thing is that many American corporations want to replicate what is happening in China, a Communist country and a shithole in nature, "cheap labor for free".

Unqualified immigration, doesn't have enough knowledge to acknowledge the difference of the political ideologies, social ideologies, ethic values, etc... between his less developed country of origin and a developed one from the first world, where Western values shaped the country and not otherwise, those less educated people tend to push for counterproductive political and social ideologies or norms, destined to harm the country.

Unqualified immigration is not always likely to find a job, or be persistent or solid, they only demand costs for the nation in most situations and when they fail, a lot of them resort to crime.

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#8241 Edited by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze:

I'm not advocating for open borders, but I just can't understand the fear mongering over undocumented workers working jobs that Americans don't want to do, I don't want to do the job of picking fruits and vegetables, or any number of the thankless yet important jobs that that they do. Truth is America has always used cheap labor or free labor (as in the case of slavery) tell me where would we be without cheap labor? It's not even just in America, every developed nation benefits off of cheaper labor that only poor immigrants would do.

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#8242 Edited by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r: I won't change my mind and as I said in the past, we can't come to an agreement, because we're naturally destined to clash against each other in one of the bloodiest conflicts the world has ever seen, it will whether take place in the United States of America or in Europe, that's at least my true purpose in life. When it comes to my financial position, I don't lack anything, I have my wealth, but I feel like it doesn't matter, what matters if one has a wealthy life, but the country where you were born is changing and alienating itself from you and your values, your history, that's why I believe that my fate is whether to die for a change and eternally unite myself with my nations soil after the first drops of blood falls on the ground, or experience this change and see my children and their children growing safety.

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#8243 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Take it easy there buddy, you sound very violent there, this is the same kind of rhetoric that the El Paso shooter used, there is no need for anymore senseless violence.

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@abstractraze: Take it easy there buddy, you sound very violent there, this is the same kind of rhetoric that the El Paso shooter used, there is no need for anymore senseless violence.

And now you are shamelessly using El Paso in order to feed your agenda, that's why I'm saying, this clash is already destined, it's 95% imminent, this all will keep escalating, there is no end, it will never stop, because of situations like this.

El Paso shooting is terrorism, I will fight in an official Civil War, total different.

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#8245 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8246 Posted by AbstractRaze (3250 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: There is no need for anymore violence there buddy

I already told you that it's my purpose, if the day comes which it's already imminent, I will go and fight.

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#8247 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: Look there is no need for this kind of talk, you are a bright young guy with your whole life ahead of you, this kind of anger and hate isn't good for anyone.

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#8248 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@abstractraze: We had a young German foreign exchange student come live with us years back, he sounded very much like you do now, he lived with the family for almost 2 years, he even attended our church, when he first got here he was much like you, but we were able to show him the good in people, he had never even been around people that were different from him, he got to experience so many new things and he was able to see other cultures up close and got to see the good in people first hand. He no longer has any hate in his heart, life is too short to live with the burden of hate on your back.

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#8249 Edited by Dernman (26468 posts) - - Show Bio

@black3stpanth3r: I don't stand with abstractrazes stance that almost seems willing or welcoming of a conflict but I have to say the idea that some kind of conflict might happen seems to be growing among people. At least in the US. Before I wouldn't even entertain the idea that something like that could happen in the US but it doesn't seem as crazy as it once was. I don't want to pretend I know the percentage on that. Could be less than 1% that it does for all I know.

If it did happen I don't believe it's going to be like the American Civil War, which was more of a failed armed secession with state backed armies, but more like small pocket fighting cells groups or maybe just increased singular lone crazies. You could say it already seems to be happening.

Edit: I'd be ecstatic they are proven wrong by history. If right I'll be keeping my head down. Don't want to be pulled into that insanity if I can help it.

Edit2: Or maybe I'm just in a mood and tomorrow might think differently on if it's a ridiculous idea or not.

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#8250 Posted by BLACK3STPANTH3R (6495 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: It's really scary times man, the crazy thing is that I think he is still worth saving, we are a forgiving people and we have to lift each other up out of hate, I just hope that I can reach him. Yeah we have our political disagreements but that doesn't mean I would wish any harm on him, I would hate to see any harm come to him or anyone else because of his philosophies. This kind of thing isn't good for anyone no matter your skin color. White people have been killed by white supremacists too, this kind of hatred needs to stop.