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@just_sayin: Trump isn't a racist. No one ever thought he was a racist until he ran for president. Al Sharpton said he was a great guy and a good friend before he ran for president

I didn't think he was a racist until he came out with the birtherism thing about Obama's birth, than I looked more into his past, and I found several instances of racism, and of course we have what he is saying today on the public record. It's telling that he called the incident in El Paso a white supremecists terror incident, based on the Manifesto that the individual wrote, what's even more telling is that the Manifesto aligned with the President's rhetoric line for line, so basically he is admitting to white supremacist hate speech.

Buddy, you didn't answer the question- would you be out on the blistering sidewalk screaming with the crazy angry white Bernie Sanders supporter or in the air-conditioned car with a Black conservative getting a chic-fil-a sandwich? My answer - make mine Chic-fil-a.

Trump is not responsible for the actions of others. He is no more responsible for the shooting in El paso than Bernie Sanders is responsible for the shooting of a Republican congressman in Northern Virginia at a baseball practice by a crazy Bernie Sanders reporter who was quoting Sander's healthcare smears. Trump didn't say to get into people's faces and make it so they couldn't go out in public in peace like Maxine Waters did. He didn't dox people who disagree with his political views like Rep Castro and Rep Jackson's staff did. He didn't hold up a life like model of a Republican politicians bloody severed head like a CNN employee did? He didn't say that some violence is justified against the right as CNN's Cuomo did. He didn't falsely accuse someone of treason and colluding with the Russians as the liberal media has done.

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@just_sayin: No one called him a racist before he was president? I guess you have a selectively ignorant view of history.

  • In 1973, the DOJ (Nixon's DOJ, for the record) sued Trump for violating the Fair Housing Act. There was lengthy evidence that he and his businesses refused to rent to black tenants and even lied to them about apartments not being available.
  • In the 1980s, former Trump employee Kip Brown revealed that Trump ordered all the black employees to be taken off the floor of his casino whenever he entered.
  • Despite DNA evidence exonerating them, Trump still believes The Central Park Five are guilty, and has refused to recant his now infamous ad calling for the death penalty to be brought back for them.
  • John O'Donnel, former president of Trump's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City, revealed that Trump said “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” In 1997, Trump said that this was "probably true."
  • In 1992, Trump had to pay a $200,000 fine when it was discovered that black dealers were taken off the casino floor to accommodate the a big-name gambler's prejudices.
  • And lastly, Trump's birtherism which goes back all the way to 2011...back when the idea of a Trump presidency was just a joke, something I wish it still were.

So no, acknowledgement of Trump's racism didn't start when he ran for president. Quite the opposite actually; denial of Trump's racism started when he ran for president.

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@just_sayin: Trump is a racist because he says a black child is entitled to a good education?

No he is a racist because he told a dually elected congress woman to go back to Africa, and he lied about Obama's birth, and he called Mexican's, rapists, murderers, breeders, and invaders, just like the El Paso White Supremacist shooter.

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@just_sayin: Yeah and we condemned him and asked for him to step down, where are the Republicans at in condemning the stuff Tramp is saying?

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@just_sayin: The President should never share the same political views of a terrorist.

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@just_sayin: Buddy, you didn't answer the question- would you be out on the blistering sidewalk screaming with the crazy angry white Bernie Sanders supporter or in the air-conditioned car with a Black conservative getting a chic-fil-a sandwich? My answer - make mine Chic-fil-a.

I wouldn't support anyone that was racist or that expoused the racist sentiments that we have been hearing, enough is enough.

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@just_sayin: No one called him a racist before he was president? I guess you have a selectively ignorant view of history.

  • In 1973, the DOJ (Nixon's DOJ, for the record) sued Trump for violating the Fair Housing Act. There was lengthy evidence that he and his businesses refused to rent to black tenants and even lied to them about apartments not being available.
  • In the 1980s, former Trump employee Kip Brown revealed that Trump ordered all the black employees to be taken off the floor of his casino whenever he entered.
  • Despite DNA evidence exonerating them, Trump still believes The Central Park Five are guilty, and has refused to recant his now infamous ad calling for the death penalty to be brought back for them.
  • John O'Donnel, former president of Trump's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City, revealed that Trump said “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” In 1997, Trump said that this was "probably true."
  • In 1992, Trump had to pay a $200,000 fine when it was discovered that black dealers were taken off the casino floor to accommodate the a big-name gambler's prejudices.
  • And lastly, Trump's birtherism which goes back all the way to 2011...back when the idea of a Trump presidency was just a joke, something I wish it still were.

So no, acknowledgement of Trump's racism didn't start when he ran for president. Quite the opposite actually; denial of Trump's racism started when he ran for president.

Thank you for this post, this is exactly what I was referring to. I didn't even know about all of this stuff, now I do, thanks again. I don't know how anyone can say he isn't a racist.

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@just_sayin: No one called him a racist before he was president? I guess you have a selectively ignorant view of history.

  • In 1973, the DOJ (Nixon's DOJ, for the record) sued Trump for violating the Fair Housing Act. There was lengthy evidence that he and his businesses refused to rent to black tenants and even lied to them about apartments not being available.
  • In the 1980s, former Trump employee Kip Brown revealed that Trump ordered all the black employees to be taken off the floor of his casino whenever he entered.
  • Despite DNA evidence exonerating them, Trump still believes The Central Park Five are guilty, and has refused to recant his now infamous ad calling for the death penalty to be brought back for them.
  • John O'Donnel, former president of Trump's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City, revealed that Trump said “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” In 1997, Trump said that this was "probably true."
  • In 1992, Trump had to pay a $200,000 fine when it was discovered that black dealers were taken off the casino floor to accommodate the a big-name gambler's prejudices.
  • And lastly, Trump's birtherism which goes back all the way to 2011...back when the idea of a Trump presidency was just a joke, something I wish it still were.

So no, acknowledgement of Trump's racism didn't start when he ran for president. Quite the opposite actually; denial of Trump's racism started when he ran for president.

The housing issues are more directed at Trump's father. Trump claimed the Central Park five were guilty - that's true. Know who else said the Central Park 5 were guilty - the Central Park 5, who said they were guilty to a judge at their hearing. The arresting officers of the 5 admit that they were not guilty of the crime they were committed but do believe they were guilty of robbing the woman involved. Your statements from disgruntled employees don't mean much - there should be thousands more, if he is as big a racist as the left claims.

So when NBC news and the NY Times questioned the birth certificate qualifications of McCain and Ted Cruz were they racist too? Or does "racist" only apply when a Republican does it?

Yes, Trump was such a racist living in New York and making huge contributions to Reverend Floyd Flake, the minister of the largest black church in Queens. That's such a racist thing to do. Just how much has Bernie Sanders contributed to black churches?

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@just_sayin: Trump is a racist because he says a black child is entitled to a good education?

No he is a racist because he told a dually elected congress woman to go back to Africa, and he lied about Obama's birth, and he called Mexican's, rapists, murderers, breeders, and invaders, just like the El Paso White Supremacist shooter.

Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country? And didn't she and Talib BOTH post a year earlier that Trump should be deported (Hint: the answer is "yes they did")? Don't remember you mentioning that, ese.

Trump called M-13 gang members rapists - not all Mexicans. That is an unfair characterization. In case they didn't report the story in your state, the direct quote came while Trump was talking to a police official specifically asking about MS-13 who had recently beaten an under age girl over a dozen times with baseball bats because she wouldn't continue being a prostitute to get them money.

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@just_sayin: No one called him a racist before he was president? I guess you have a selectively ignorant view of history.

  • In 1973, the DOJ (Nixon's DOJ, for the record) sued Trump for violating the Fair Housing Act. There was lengthy evidence that he and his businesses refused to rent to black tenants and even lied to them about apartments not being available.
  • In the 1980s, former Trump employee Kip Brown revealed that Trump ordered all the black employees to be taken off the floor of his casino whenever he entered.
  • Despite DNA evidence exonerating them, Trump still believes The Central Park Five are guilty, and has refused to recant his now infamous ad calling for the death penalty to be brought back for them.
  • John O'Donnel, former president of Trump's Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City, revealed that Trump said “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” In 1997, Trump said that this was "probably true."
  • In 1992, Trump had to pay a $200,000 fine when it was discovered that black dealers were taken off the casino floor to accommodate the a big-name gambler's prejudices.
  • And lastly, Trump's birtherism which goes back all the way to 2011...back when the idea of a Trump presidency was just a joke, something I wish it still were.

So no, acknowledgement of Trump's racism didn't start when he ran for president. Quite the opposite actually; denial of Trump's racism started when he ran for president.

Thank you for this post, this is exactly what I was referring to. I didn't even know about all of this stuff, now I do, thanks again. I don't know how anyone can say he isn't a racist.

I don't know either. Deep denial is the best explanation I can think of.

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@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

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@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

Papa Pitufo, you know I think the world of you, but I just don't think you are right about that. After Omar Ilahn was caught cheating during her campaign there were documents found where she filed jointly with her exhusband rather than her brother/husband. This prompted Judical Watch to file a formal request for investigation at the State department and also called for Rep. Steve Drazkowski (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/06/25/state-lawmaker-calls-for-ethics-investigation-into-ilhan-omar/).

Hey, would she have to go back to her home country if it is found out she committed immigration fraud?

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@just_sayin: Why is it ok for Tramp to criticize the Presidency for 8 years, but now that he is in the oval office, no one can criticize his Presidency?

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@just_sayin: Why is it ok for Tramp to criticize the Presidency for 8 years, but now that he is in the oval office, no one can criticize his Presidency?

I got to agree with you too, ese. I don't know why all those Democrats were criticizing Obama during their debate. I think they should have been criticizing Obama's presidency when he was president too.

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@just_sayin: Trump called M-13 gang members rapists - not all Mexicans. That is an unfair characterization.

^Then why didn't he just say that? MS-13 isn't even a Mexican gang. Are you really that stupid to believe half of this horse sh*t, or do you just believe because you want something to believe in, even though its false? You probably believed the Obama birther conspiracy theory too didn't you?

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@just_sayin: Trump called M-13 gang members rapists - not all Mexicans. That is an unfair characterization.

^Then why didn't he just say that? MS-13 isn't even a Mexican gang. Are you really that stupid to believe half of this horse sh*t, or do you just believe because you want something to believe in, even though its false? You probably believed the Obama birther conspiracy theory too didn't you?

The MS-13 quote was videotaped and I say it. It was the media who edited out the woman's question - that's not Trump's fault. And it also show their intentions.

Obama had a legal Hawaiian birth certificate as far as I knew. Believing it was fake would be like believing that Trump had colluded with the Russians or had violated the emoluments clause. I was never that gullible.

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

Papa Pitufo, you know I think the world of you, but I just don't think you are right about that. After Omar Ilahn was caught cheating during her campaign there were documents found where she filed jointly with her exhusband rather than her brother/husband. This prompted Judical Watch to file a formal request for investigation at the State department and also called for Rep. Steve Drazkowski (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/06/25/state-lawmaker-calls-for-ethics-investigation-into-ilhan-omar/).

Hey, would she have to go back to her home country if it is found out she committed immigration fraud?

Just what I thought, more horse shyte, I read the link that you posted, and nowhere on it does it say anything about her marrying her brother. Why do you always post things that have no relevance?

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Why is it ok for Tramp to criticize the Presidency for 8 years, but now that he is in the oval office, no one can criticize his Presidency?

I got to agree with you too, ese. I don't know why all those Democrats were criticizing Obama during their debate. I think they should have been criticizing Obama's presidency when he was president too.

Once again you are ducking my question, playing duck duck goose, why is it ok for Tramp to criticize the Presidency, but it's not ok for other people to criticize the Presidency?

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@just_sayin said:
@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

Papa Pitufo, you know I think the world of you, but I just don't think you are right about that. After Omar Ilahn was caught cheating during her campaign there were documents found where she filed jointly with her exhusband rather than her brother/husband. This prompted Judical Watch to file a formal request for investigation at the State department and also called for Rep. Steve Drazkowski (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/06/25/state-lawmaker-calls-for-ethics-investigation-into-ilhan-omar/).

Hey, would she have to go back to her home country if it is found out she committed immigration fraud?

Just what I thought, more horse shyte, I read the link that you posted, and nowhere on it does it say anything about her marrying her brother. Why do you always post things that have no relevance?

A gift for you, ese: https://freebeacon.com/politics/judicial-watch-asks-house-to-investigate-ilhan-omars-marriage/

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

It came from the Minneapolis star tribune which is considered left-center.

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Why is it ok for Tramp to criticize the Presidency for 8 years, but now that he is in the oval office, no one can criticize his Presidency?

I got to agree with you too, ese. I don't know why all those Democrats were criticizing Obama during their debate. I think they should have been criticizing Obama's presidency when he was president too.

Once again you are ducking my question, playing duck duck goose, why is it ok for Tramp to criticize the Presidency, but it's not ok for other people to criticize the Presidency?

Amigo, I think it is fine to criticize the Presidency - my party is not the one that wants to alter the first amendment. I am just wondering out loud why it has taken Democrats so long to criticize the Obama presidency.

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@dernman said:
@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

It came from the Minneapolis star tribune which is considered left-center.

Who knows if it is true or not? It will be hard to prove since the guy doesn't live in the country and won't answer any questions. His school records indicate that parent/custodian guardian in high school is the same as Omar's and the address is the same as hers. But maybe, they aren't related, but just lived together in the same home as minors for years and then got married.

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@just_sayin said:
@dernman said:
@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: Hey, isn't that duly elected black woman under investigation for marrying her brother for him to get legal entry into the country?

She isn't under investigation for a baseless smear campaign, it just sounds like more birtherism type talk coming from Trump to me. The same people who believe that are the same people that believe that birther nonsense.

It came from the Minneapolis star tribune which is considered left-center.

Who knows if it is true or not? It will be hard to prove since the guy doesn't live in the country and won't answer any questions. His school records indicate that parent/custodian guardian in high school is the same as Omar's and the address is the same as hers. But maybe, they aren't related, but just lived together in the same home as minors for years and then got married.

Yes that's totally possible (it could be nothing) but to just ignore the other possibilities just because the "other side" is using is........... well I shouldn't have to say what that it

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A gift for you, ese: https://freebeacon.com/politics/judicial-watch-asks-house-to-investigate-ilhan-omars-marriage/

I like gifts like the next person, but once again it doesn't say anything about her marrying her brother. I think it's time once again to chalk this one in the birther category, not only is birtherism false, it is racist, and another example of the racist rhetoric that is coming from the man in the white house.

Maybe we are reading a different article. I'll quote the relevant part to you:

"Substantial, compelling and, to date, unrefuted evidence has been uncovered that Rep. Ilhan Omar may have committed the following crimes in violation of both federal law and Minnesota state law: perjury, immigration fraud, marriage fraud, state and federal tax fraud, and federal student loan fraud," the letter states.

The marriage in question, in 2009 to a man named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, lasted just two years, Omar has said, but the two weren't legally divorced until 2017. Omar in tax filings said she was married to her current husband, Ahmed Abdisalan Hirsi, while she was still legally married to Elmi. Official documents also reveal she was still living with Hirsi, the father of her children, in the years she says she was married to Elmi.

"The evidence is overwhelming Rep. Omar may have violated the law and House rules," Tom Fitton said, the group's president. "The House of Representatives must urgently investigate and resolve the serious allegations of wrongdoing by Rep. Omar."

Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is her brother.

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@dernman: They were just reporting the news, they didn't make the claim in the first place. They were simply reporting the news that one of her Republican opponents Rep. Steve Drazkowski (R-Mazeppa) was making a false claim. They have her marriage records, you can see for yourself.

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@just_sayin:

A gift for you, ese: https://freebeacon.com/politics/judicial-watch-asks-house-to-investigate-ilhan-omars-marriage/

I like gifts like the next person, but once again it doesn't say anything about her marrying her brother. I think it's time once again to chalk this one in the birther category, not only is birtherism false, it is racist, and another example of the racist rhetoric that is coming from the man in the white house.

Maybe we are reading a different article. I'll quote the relevant part to you:

"Substantial, compelling and, to date, unrefuted evidence has been uncovered that Rep. Ilhan Omar may have committed the following crimes in violation of both federal law and Minnesota state law: perjury, immigration fraud, marriage fraud, state and federal tax fraud, and federal student loan fraud," the letter states.

The marriage in question, in 2009 to a man named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, lasted just two years, Omar has said, but the two weren't legally divorced until 2017. Omar in tax filings said she was married to her current husband, Ahmed Abdisalan Hirsi, while she was still legally married to Elmi. Official documents also reveal she was still living with Hirsi, the father of her children, in the years she says she was married to Elmi.

"The evidence is overwhelming Rep. Omar may have violated the law and House rules," Tom Fitton said, the group's president. "The House of Representatives must urgently investigate and resolve the serious allegations of wrongdoing by Rep. Omar."

Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is her brother.

Where does it say that?

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@just_sayin: Just like your racist President, you are using another distraction technique. Not only do you share his racist rhetoric and rantings, you also share his distraction techniques.

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@dernman: They were just reporting the news, they didn't make the claim in the first place. They were simply reporting the news that one of her Republican opponents Rep. Steve Drazkowski (R-Mazeppa) was making a false claim. They have her marriage records, you can see for yourself.

They reported on the clues that does lean towards the possibility. The marriage records actually lean towards that being a possibility. They state that it can't be proven either way because of road blocks and she and her family are not being helpful by keeping mum.

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@just_sayin:

A gift for you, ese: https://freebeacon.com/politics/judicial-watch-asks-house-to-investigate-ilhan-omars-marriage/

I like gifts like the next person, but once again it doesn't say anything about her marrying her brother. I think it's time once again to chalk this one in the birther category, not only is birtherism false, it is racist, and another example of the racist rhetoric that is coming from the man in the white house.

Maybe we are reading a different article. I'll quote the relevant part to you:

"Substantial, compelling and, to date, unrefuted evidence has been uncovered that Rep. Ilhan Omar may have committed the following crimes in violation of both federal law and Minnesota state law: perjury, immigration fraud, marriage fraud, state and federal tax fraud, and federal student loan fraud," the letter states.

The marriage in question, in 2009 to a man named Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, lasted just two years, Omar has said, but the two weren't legally divorced until 2017. Omar in tax filings said she was married to her current husband, Ahmed Abdisalan Hirsi, while she was still legally married to Elmi. Official documents also reveal she was still living with Hirsi, the father of her children, in the years she says she was married to Elmi.

"The evidence is overwhelming Rep. Omar may have violated the law and House rules," Tom Fitton said, the group's president. "The House of Representatives must urgently investigate and resolve the serious allegations of wrongdoing by Rep. Omar."

Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is her brother.

Where does it say that?

Well, his parent/guardian's name and birthdate is the same as her father's name and birthdate. And his home address is the same as her home address according to high school records.

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They reported on the clues that does lean towards the possibility. The marriage records actually lean towards that being a possibility. They state that it can't be proven either way because of road blocks and she and her family are not being helpful by keeping mum.

I didn't see any clues like that, can you point them out? The marriage records just indicate that she had 2 marriages, one to her baby's father and one to her current partner. Are you saying that she committed incest with her brother, or that her brother is her baby's father?

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Well, his parent/guardian's name and birthdate is the same as her father's name and birthdate. And his home address is the same as her home address according to high school records.

Her father's last name was Mohammed, that would have been her brothers last name as well.

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Tramp is the racist divider and chief, and should take back all the racist things that he has said, and instead of blaming video games should focus on the real problems, such as hate, and home grown domestic terrorism, I say it once again, the President shouldn't have the same radical rhetoric of a terrorist.

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@dernman:

They reported on the clues that does lean towards the possibility. The marriage records actually lean towards that being a possibility. They state that it can't be proven either way because of road blocks and she and her family are not being helpful by keeping mum.

I didn't see any clues like that, can you point them out? The marriage records just indicate that she had 2 marriages, one to her baby's father and one to her current partner. Are you saying that she committed incest with her brother, or that her brother is her baby's father?

The name on the marriage certificate is the same name as her brother.

I'm not saying she committed incest. I'm saying it's a possibility (not guarantied fact) that she married her brother. If true I assume to get him into the US. Of course there are things like maybe they share the same name or maybe the they are he same person but he wasn't her brother by blood but her father just looked after him. Then there is the fact that he's refered to as Uncle and calls her children his nieces but that might just be a cultural thing. The point is it's not some crazy smear to get her. It's legitimate questions and possibility.

I actually don't see that as far fetched that someone would fake marry someone to get them in the US if they cared about them. Making it even more a possibility if you're an activist that thinks the immigration policies of the country are bad.

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@dernman:

Given that Omar and her siblings all came to live in the U.S. under identical circumstances as refugees, and that Omar herself became a naturalized U.S. citizen while still a minor, how did one of her siblings end up with such a radically different immigration status that she would have needed to marry him in order to facilitate his U.S. residency application?

Also, if Ahmed Elmi were truly Omar’s brother, why would he have needed to take the drastic step of marrying her in order to secure a path to U.S. citizenship? U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) policies qualify immigrants as eligible to apply for permanent residency status (and later become naturalized citizens) if they are the “spouse of a U.S. citizen” or the “brother or sister of a U.S. citizen.” Why would Omar commit a federal crime and risk a prison sentence (and possibly her own citizenship status) in order to provide her brother with the opportunity to apply for something he would already have been eligible to seek?

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@dernman: If Elmi was so desperate for U.S. residency/citizenship status that he engaged in a sham “marriage” with his sister in order to seek it, why did he return to England after his split with Omar? And why is there no record of Elmi’s having applied for or obtained such status if that was the whole point of his supposedly “fraudulent” marriage to his alleged sister?

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@dernman: I have a best friend, who I tell my daughter to call Uncle, he's not related to us, but my daughter still calls him Uncle V.

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#8089  Edited By just_sayin

@black3stpanth3r said:

Tramp is the racist divider and chief, and should take back all the racist things that he has said, and instead of blaming video games should focus on the real problems, such as hate, and home grown domestic terrorism, I say it once again, the President shouldn't have the same radical rhetoric of a terrorist.

Well, there is some here I can agree with you about. I don't think video games made that crazy lefty kill 9 and injure 27 in Dayton. I think hate is something that should be worked on - like Maxine Waters - who called for people to "get in the face" of Trump administration personnel at the grocery store, restaurants, etc.

I believe the racist charge is fabricated by the media. Take for instance in Charlottesville. His comments about good people on both sides was about those in favor of removing statues of old dead Democrats and those who thought they had historical value. The media turned that into saying he was saying white nationalists where good people. That was not what he said or meant. Rather than have policy discussions with this president the left is into calling people racists and nazis.

Same rhetoric of a terrorist? Did you miss the guy who tried to set off a bomb at an ice detention center where kids were? he was quoting AOC. Did you miss the part where the guy who shot a Republican congressman? He was quoting Bernie Sanders. It seems like you have a double standard here my friend. Which I guess is an improvement over most Democrats who have no standards at all. As much as I would love to say AOC and Bernie are to blame for someone else's actions, they aren't. The same goes for Trump.

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@just_sayin: Same rhetoric of a terrorist? Did you miss the guy who tried to set off a bomb at an ice detention center where kids were? he was quoting AOC. Did you miss the part where the guy who shot a Republican congressman? He was quoting Bernie Sanders.

Show me the supporting evidence, or shut it. Unlike you I don't have to make a reach to defend my argument, what I have on my side is the public record the rallies, and the tweets, and interviews.

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@dernman: If Elmi was so desperate for U.S. residency/citizenship status that he engaged in a sham “marriage” with his sister in order to seek it, why did he return to England after his split with Omar?

Maybe it was less about America than getting out of where he was. Also leaving America, keeping his distance would make it harder to be found out and questioned.

And why is there no record of Elmi’s having applied for or obtained such status if that was the whole point of his supposedly “fraudulent” marriage to his alleged sister?

No the whole issue came up because of the tax filings. She filed joint taxes with her first husband who she was engaged to be remarried too at the time when she was still married to her second husband-possibly brother. She was fined for it. She said it was a mistake which is a possibility. Then looking deeper they found more evidence that would suggest a link. This is left-center news site coming up with this.

THis sight will break the timeline down better. It's left leaning also if that makes you feel better.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/18/did-ilhan-omar-marry-her-brother-her-hometown-news/

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#8092  Edited By just_sayin

@black3stpanth3r said:

@dernman: If Elmi was so desperate for U.S. residency/citizenship status that he engaged in a sham “marriage” with his sister in order to seek it, why did he return to England after his split with Omar? And why is there no record of Elmi’s having applied for or obtained such status if that was the whole point of his supposedly “fraudulent” marriage to his alleged sister?

As I understand it, to get him into the US initially.

http://www.startribune.com/new-documents-revisit-questions-about-rep-ilhan-omar-s-marriage/511681362/

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@just_sayin: As I understand it, to get him into the US initially.

If they were really siblings, he could have filed to become a citizen. Any sibling of a U.S. citizen can begin the process to become a U.S. citizen, Omar was already a citizen at the time, thus he could have filed for citizenship without going through a sham marriage.

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@just_sayin: He was already in the U.S. when they met, he was already attending college here.

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@just_sayin: Same rhetoric of a terrorist? Did you miss the guy who tried to set off a bomb at an ice detention center where kids were? he was quoting AOC. Did you miss the part where the guy who shot a Republican congressman? He was quoting Bernie Sanders.

Show me the supporting evidence, or shut it. Unlike you I don't have to make a reach to defend my argument, what I have on my side is the public record the rallies, and the tweets, and interviews.

https://www.redstate.com/slee/2019/07/16/antifa-martyrs-manifesto-nonsensical-garbage-echoes-aocs-policy-ideas/

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-compares-border-detention-centers-to-concentration-camps

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: As I understand it, to get him into the US initially.

If they were really siblings, he could have filed to become a citizen. Any sibling of a U.S. citizen can begin the process to become a U.S. citizen, Omar was already a citizen at the time, thus he could have filed for citizenship without going through a sham marriage.

File doesn't mean automatic accepted. Especially he was a British citizen. Looking at his link she calls him a British citizen. If he immigrated to England first that might stand in his way. Now why he would want to immigrate to the us after England I don't know but people do. Also we're assuming it's for immigration. We're assuming things because we have legit question that she's not clearing up.

Remember these are just questions. Nobody is asserting anything. It could be nothing or it could be something.

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@just_sayin: I believe the racist charge is fabricated by the media. Take for instance in Charlottesville. His comments about good people on both sides was about those in favor of removing statues of old dead Democrats and those who thought they had historical value. The media turned that into saying he was saying white nationalists where good people. That was not what he said or meant. Rather than have policy discussions with this president the left is into calling people racists and nazis.

The 2017 “Unite the Right” rally was organized by and intended for white supremacists and white nationalists, maybe you and the president can see good people that are white supremacits, but that's the problem. There are no good white supremacists if they hate other people because of the color of their skin.

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@just_sayin: As I understand it, to get him into the US initially.

If they were really siblings, he could have filed to become a citizen. Any sibling of a U.S. citizen can begin the process to become a U.S. citizen, Omar was already a citizen at the time, thus he could have filed for citizenship without going through a sham marriage.

So you admit it was a sham marriage. That's progress bro.

Hey, if it wasn't a sham marriage why was she living with her ex husband the entire time she was married to Elmi? Why did all three share the same address (according to DMV tickets and tax records)?

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@black3stpanth3r said:

@just_sayin: He was already in the U.S. when they met, he was already attending college here.

Being in the US doesn't mean he was a citizen. Also if she lies (not saying she is) about him being the same person she's gonna lie about when they first met. (again not saying it's true or not. Just saying they're legit questions that should be cleared up)

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@just_sayin: No I'm not saying it was a sham marriage at all, your comprehension skills are lacking, why would they engage in a scam marriage when he could have filed for citizenship without even being married to her?