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Posted by KalKent (1405 posts) 21 days, 13 hours ago

Poll: Oscaio Cortez vs Shapiro. Real life Debate. (35 votes)

Cortez. 20%
Shapiro. 80%

Since cortez denied in august, what would happen if the debate were to actually go down?

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#1 Edited by BumpyBoo (14525 posts) - - Show Bio

Shapiro for the win <3

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#2 Posted by JohnCena69swag (3596 posts) - - Show Bio

The title got my hopes up that this was actually gonna happen lol. Ben Shapiro DESTROYS!!!!

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#3 Posted by Ryokuma100 (939 posts) - - Show Bio

Shapiro would destroy her, that’s a given.

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#4 Posted by B_r023 (5297 posts) - - Show Bio

Shapiro freaking destroys people.

"Facts don't care about your feelings."

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#5 Edited by cattlebattle (17249 posts) - - Show Bio

That would be a bloodbath. Cortez's intelligence and knowledge of policy or wealth distribution or anything of that sort is unimpressive.

She is only relevant because she was a young, attractive, female hispanic candidate that won in a primarily hispanic district. If she would have ran against a black candidate in a black district or an Indian candidate in an Indian district, she wouldn't have won anything.

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#6 Posted by mrmonster (12843 posts) - - Show Bio

Say what you want about Ben Shapiro, but damn does he know how to debate. Seriously, this would be like Tiger Woods playing against some guy who golfs on the weekends.

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#7 Edited by xZone (7802 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone who says Cortez either is uneducated on this topic, or are blind by leftism. Shapiro would annihilate her, and that’s why she denied the debate

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#8 Edited by Stormdriven (17209 posts) - - Show Bio

No doubt Shapiro is the better debater. But I can’t take him seriously anymore after he blamed the synagogue shooting on the left instead of white supremacists.

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#10 Posted by mimisalome (5260 posts) - - Show Bio

I gonna place my bet on this Oscaio person, whoever he is,

i have a soft spot for the under dogs

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#11 Posted by Stormdriven (17209 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: I misspoke, it was actually a video of him saying the bigger threat between white supremacy and “instituionalized left-wing anti-semitism” was the latter. But it was about two and a half weeks after the shooting.

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#12 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (3078 posts) - - Show Bio

Shapiro's a terrible debater, lol

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#13 Posted by xZone (7802 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormdriven: I don’t recall that either, but even if I disagreed with that point, which I’m not sure I do, you can’t take him seriously after ONE mistake? What Cortez is talking about free crap for all every week? Come on now

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#14 Posted by xZone (7802 posts) - - Show Bio
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#15 Posted by jagernutt (15490 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro would stomp hard

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#16 Posted by Stormdriven (17209 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: First off, I already straight up said Shapiro is a better debater than Cortez, so bringing her up is irrelevant. Secondly, the fact that you agree with him is absolutely ridiculous. A white supremacist MURDERED 11 people in cold blood, and you think that what happened isn’t as bad as the supposed institutionalized anti-semitism.

For the record, all forms of anti-semitism are wrong. They’re both evil. But Jesus Christ, I hate that we live in a world where people getting murdered isn’t worse than political stances.

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#17 Posted by xZone (7802 posts) - - Show Bio

@stormdriven: Don’t strawman. I’m talking about ideology, obviously murder is worse than an opinion. Again, I don’t recall Ben saying that, and I didn’t say I agreed with the opinion, I said I was undecided, mainly because I haven’t seen the statement in question. If you could post a link to the video that would help out.

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#18 Posted by jagernutt (15490 posts) - - Show Bio

@bumpyboo:

I find it insanely funny that she didn't even know what the population of the United States of America is.

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#19 Posted by sabracadabra (1511 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: First off, I already straight up said Shapiro is a better debater than Cortez, so bringing her up is irrelevant. Secondly, the fact that you agree with him is absolutely ridiculous. A white supremacist MURDERED 11 people in cold blood, and you think that what happened isn’t as bad as the supposed institutionalized anti-semitism.

For the record, all forms of anti-semitism are wrong. They’re both evil. But Jesus Christ, I hate that we live in a world where people getting murdered isn’t worse than political stances.

I agree with you that all forms of anti-Semitism are wrong.Just ticks me off sometimes when people ,not you specifically, talk about only the far right but never the left. Some of the worst anti-semitism in this country is being taught in college classrooms and on campuses by openly leftist college professors.

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#20 Posted by ourmanuel (6213 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Posted by Lan_Fan (11792 posts) - - Show Bio

Facts do not care about your feelings.

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#23 Posted by SpareHeadOne (5179 posts) - - Show Bio

Facts do not care about your feelings, unless the facts are about your feelings and aside from the fact that facts don't care about anything. Facts do not care about facts for example.

Ben Shapiro is a charismatic wanker.

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#24 Posted by Drmagic (1632 posts) - - Show Bio
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Her excuse of not wanting to debate shapiro (3:50 to 4:15)

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#25 Posted by Stahlflamme (5469 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, Shapiro is basically debating imaginary strawman arguments that nobody ever made and then does nonsensical talking poonts, but talks fast so stupid people think he is smart and his supporters scream how he totally won. There is no point in debating a nobody like him who is neother interested in a debate nor ever says anything of substance. If you want to hear what he thinks just ask his sponsors who pay him for an opinion.

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#26 Posted by Hatutzeraze (542 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, I have never heard of Ben Shapiro until this thread. I watched that little video of him that Jagernutt posted, and I still can't say I know anything about him. All that video focused on was him debating exactly one point, a point that wasn't really all that strong to begin with. So, maybe he's a good debater? I imagine if he has his fans, there are probably better videos out there that show his prowess, but that particular one didn't seem any more impressive than a grown man beating a kindergartener at arm wrestling.

Based on the nature of this thread and what it looks like it is trying to do, I can't say I have any motivation to seek out anything about the guy on my own.

I did watch a bit of that Political Papi video and I see that this isn't just a thought experiment. Presumably this Ben Shapiro guy actually wants to debate Osacio-Cortez. I have to agree with her, though. Why in the world would she? She actually has more important work to do than to promote this guy, because that's all that would be - a bit of self-promotion for him and nothing of value for her.

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#27 Posted by JohnCena69swag (3596 posts) - - Show Bio

that particular one didn't seem any more impressive than a grown man beating a kindergartener at arm wrestling.

This thread is literally just asking if he can beat another kindergartner though lol

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#28 Posted by Hatutzeraze (542 posts) - - Show Bio

@hatutzeraze said:

that particular one didn't seem any more impressive than a grown man beating a kindergartener at arm wrestling.

This thread is literally just asking if he can beat another kindergartner though lol

No, it is not literally doing that.

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#29 Posted by JohnCena69swag (3596 posts) - - Show Bio

@johncena69swag said:
@hatutzeraze said:

that particular one didn't seem any more impressive than a grown man beating a kindergartener at arm wrestling.

This thread is literally just asking if he can beat another kindergartner though lol

No, it is not literally doing that.

Sorry if i didnt make it clear enough. What i really meant was:

H...aze more or less said that the above example of ben shapiro DESTROYS LIBTARD EPIC STYLE was too easy because that was a particularly easy debate.

What i said was that this thread is literally just asking if he can repeat the same task with an easier opponent.

Does that make sense now?

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#30 Edited by decaf_wizard (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

Oscaio-Cortez is not somebody that can hold her ground in a debate with somebody of Shapiro's caliber. I don't even like more than one of Shapiro's big talking points, but the guy knows his way around an argument and is very capable of voicing his beliefs in an articulate manner

Even if Oscaio-Cortez's ideas were better she couldn't debate them against Shapiro and come out on top. Say what you want about him, but this would be like putting Conor McGregor against George W Bush in a cage match

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#31 Edited by decaf_wizard (16525 posts) - - Show Bio

@hatutzeraze said:

Well, I have never heard of Ben Shapiro until this thread. I watched that little video of him that Jagernutt posted, and I still can't say I know anything about him. All that video focused on was him debating exactly one point, a point that wasn't really all that strong to begin with. So, maybe he's a good debater? I imagine if he has his fans, there are probably better videos out there that show his prowess, but that particular one didn't seem any more impressive than a grown man beating a kindergartener at arm wrestling.

Here is perhaps a better one. With some of the points that he would likely debate with Cortez

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Its not exactly that his points are super strong, its that he knows how to debate, knows his own points very well and is reasonably articulate.

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#32 Posted by willpayton (21785 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro is very good at debating because he talks fast and throws out so much nonsense, half truths, and fallacious arguments that it's hard for a person debating in good faith to keep up with it.

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#34 Edited by Hatutzeraze (542 posts) - - Show Bio

@johncena69swag said:
@hatutzeraze said:
@johncena69swag said:
@hatutzeraze said:

that particular one didn't seem any more impressive than a grown man beating a kindergartener at arm wrestling.

This thread is literally just asking if he can beat another kindergartner though lol

No, it is not literally doing that.

Sorry if i didnt make it clear enough. What i really meant was:

H...aze more or less said that the above example of ben shapiro DESTROYS LIBTARD EPIC STYLE was too easy because that was a particularly easy debate.

What i said was that this thread is literally just asking if he can repeat the same task with an easier opponent.

Does that make sense now?

It did before. Clarity wasn't my issue with the second of my posts in this quote. It was the misuse of the word "literally".

EDIT: And then, so I could participate more effectively, I thought I'd watch one of the posted videos about Osacio-Cortez. Stupidly, I started with the one in post #33. That post was a waste of time. If I am being challenged to take the Osacio-Cortez criticisms seriously, that is doing the exact opposite.

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#35 Posted by KanyeCosby (6294 posts) - - Show Bio

Ben Shapiro ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS Libtard SJW Snowflake Ocasio Cortez with Facts and Logic!!!

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#36 Edited by FaradaySloth (5207 posts) - - Show Bio

I gonna place my bet on this Oscaio person, whoever he is,

i have a soft spot for the under dogs

First off, it's a she.

And she's the chick that said this:

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#37 Posted by ourmanuel (6213 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth: 😂😂🙈

Ot: The Shapiro wank is strong but he still stomps her.

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#38 Posted by mimisalome (5260 posts) - - Show Bio

@faradaysloth:

wait... so it's ocasio, not oscaio.

i thought it was a different person entirely

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#39 Posted by FaradaySloth (5207 posts) - - Show Bio

Shapiro DESTROYS an IDIOTIC SJW and then EATS her TEARS LITERALLYin such an EPIC style

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#40 Edited by Kirkseven (1853 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: lolololol

A little overrated Jewish man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a crazy Woman who has no Idea What The Three Branches Of Government Are.

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#41 Posted by jagernutt (15490 posts) - - Show Bio

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She seriously did not even know what the population of the United States is in one interview.

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#42 Posted by Kirkseven (1853 posts) - - Show Bio

@jagernutt: Not surprising.

Ben Shapiro is good at what he does imo, and would beat her in a debate... but he is kinda overrated.

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#43 Edited by phillip33 (3229 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol at Ben being overrated, the dude has literally never lost a debate afaik. He would murder her. Lol at her saying he cat called her, that’s the liberal progressive form of saying “I won’t debate you because I know I would get shit stomped”

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#44 Posted by King Saturn (222720 posts) - - Show Bio

Ocasio Cortez would get embarrassed by Shapiro...

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#45 Posted by just_sayin (2971 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this a spite thread? Shapiro wins even with half his brain tied behind his back to make it fairer.

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#46 Posted by LightYagami1000 (437 posts) - - Show Bio

@b_r023 said:

Shapiro freaking destroys people.

"Facts don't care about your feelings."

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#47 Posted by solar_nerd (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

Shapiro is the best. He doesn't censor himself, and he uses facts. At the end of the argument, that socialist bitch would probably be yelling and calling him racist.

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#48 Posted by HC03 (287 posts) - - Show Bio

Cortez would destroy him. What on earth are you guys on about?

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#50 Posted by NierAutomata (56 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, a Socialist can not debate.

They can only pass you their subjective opinions.

For example, when Bernie Sanders is asked, "What is Socialism?"

Bernie responses are usually like so:
-"In my opinion, this is what socialism is..."
-"In my mind, this is what socialism is... This I believe is true."
-"My feelings believe that socialism works like this... Deep in my heart, I truly believe..."

On the top note:
Democratic-Socialism means Socialism

-Democratic = The people majority choose (by vote)
-Socialism = A Monopoly

Democratic-Socialism = The people majority chooses a monopoly

The U.S is a Democratic-Republic because of the same reason when the Founders created its Constitution.

-Republic = Public Law (Which is the U.S Constitution)

Democratic-Republic = The people majority chooses the public law that defends individuality and a free-market (Per what the Constitution does)

Under socialism, the Constitution will be changed, because the Progressives believe that the U.S Constitution is a "Living Document" that changes through the passages of time.