Only 12% of Americans feel Obamacare is doing well...

@willpayton said:

Exactly.

Do you really not get it, or do you just not care?

The "facts" you're talking about are either only part of the picture, or they are outright BS. For example, the "Doubles price of gas" one. Do you really not understand why this is nonsense? How did Obama "double the price of gas"? Do you think the President has a lever in the oval office that affects gasoline prices? Also, do you really not know that gas prices were higher during the Bush presidency?

The fact is that gas prices dropped like a rock towards the end of Bush Jr's Presidency because the economy tanked. Then, they started going up again because during Obama the economy got BETTER. See, like many things, when the economy gets worse, prices fall. When the economy goes up, prices go up.

Lets take a look at historical gas prices, shall we?

The real question is not why did gas prices rise during Obama, but why did they tank during Bush. The answer is simple: because during Bush the economy went into freefall leading to the Great Recession.

So, if you want to keep posting stuff that's ignorant, then people are going to think you're ignorant.

lol, liberals telling others they're divorced from reality. That's too funny...mean while denying facts. So they're bs now will are they? You say so, i can post several other sites right now that would show the same. And are you psychic because you seem so convinced the republicans will lose in 2016? Sure, if america hasn't learned anything from these past 8 years then maybe you're right but if people smarten up than that won't be the case. The republicans of late have been eating their own and just being a wingman to the liberal agenda outside of those who stand up to obama, instead of kiss butt *cough mccain*cough

I'm not the one posting ignorant stuff, i'm posting facts that people like you conveniently ignore. Believe what you will dude. The fact that each time i post facts for you, you call them "bs" only further proves I'm right. BS, they are not. The only one you're remotely correct on is gas prices since they fluctuate despite who is president but the rest? all on obama.

Vance, dude there's nothing out of perspective about those numbers though, I can post it without the silly picture but as I said for one I didn't make that, just found it and two every president is mocked at some point. Clinton with the cigar jokes, Bush with the stuttering etc my point is Obama is far from perfect.

@vaeternus said:

LMFAO.

moderates like mccain and romney went down. why vote for chris christie over clinton? republicans need contrast. you think the mayor of san antonio is going to beat hiliary clinton i will LOL at that. I concede nothing! i admit no wrong doing! at this point what does it matter;)! i will continue to discount your guys little auto insurance analogy it makes no sense it just "sounds right" I AM RIGHT the individual mandate was not held up by the supreme court. its a tax. we will see how popular this tax is in the next election.

I dont know if your a democrat but i am pretty sure you are a member of obamas administration. now lets guess who you are. valerie jarret?

also a million LOL at fooling yourself that hillary is likeable even bill disagrees with ya there (BOOM cheap shot)

@vaeternus i write fan fiction in my head about how good romney would have been for the country, i once wrote these fan-fics for obama mind you, but man he was the absolute worst politician that i have ever seen. republicans need better production value. obama that is avengers style production value. republicans are like catwoman production value.

@vance_astro obama is the worst president! bush is the worst president! this is what hacks say.

as far as chris christie goes he is the medias(who are mostly left) darling. it wouldnt be smart to run him but i would love it. a big fat mean guy. if only he had a crazy handle-bar mustache.

@cuddlebear: i think the term 'worst' politician is very debatable lol while I was no fan of mitt, oba.a seems to have the power to make people faint and believe him no matter what. In that sense he takes the prize, but god knows theres a good share of good, bad and ugly politicians of both parties. But hey, catwoman has great vibes ;-) lol

Id love to see a list of worst politicians for various reasons some day clinton for getting ahead under the table lol get it haha, romney for just doing so many things wrong while running, obama from a socialist perspective and dodging more scandals then bush dodged shoes lol.

They're all BS because they're taken out of context. I can equally make an image by just cherry picking the "facts" that make Obama look great. The thing that you keep ignoring is that you have to look at facts in their context.

No, it's not just the gas price one that's BS, they all are. It's just that I dont want to waste time addressing each one, especially when you'll just ignore what I say.

But, just for arguments sake, I'll take another one of those facts and show you how it's also BS. Look at the "Americans out of work" one. Lets actually look at the context... here's the chart showing the unemployment rate from Bush to Obama:

Notice what happened at the end of the Bush presidency... since the economy took a nose dive, millions of jobs were lost. None of this was due to Obama. If anything, it was due to Bush who was President for 8 years.

I did a little math on all those jobs lost in 2008 and 2009 (I just added those little numbers) due to the recession that Bush kicked off.

Fact: Jobs lost during Bush's recession: 8.82 Million

Also note that as soon as Obama took office, the unemployment rate started getting better.

Fact: Under Obama, we've had 43 straight months of job growth, and added 7.6 Million private sector jobs in those 43 months.

How come neither of those "facts" are on your little image there? Why doenst it say that those Americans are out of work because of Bush? Why doesnt it say that since Obama took office the loss of jobs slowed down and eventually reversed, leading to 43 months of job growth?

by worst i don't mean anything to do with his policy or personally. i mean he is the worst at connecting in any human way with people. my guess is that he always has, what knocked his dad out of the republican primary against nixon, in the back of his head... the "brainwashing" comment

LOL...

Hillary is very popular with Democrats and independents, and she'll also draw a large part of the female vote. You're kidding yourself if you think she wont do well in a Presidential election.

at this point what difference does it make!!?! ;) seriously though you can argue policy all day but i think personally the obamas are fine enough people. the clintons are pure slime. she is not bill you can see the horns with her and it will sink her in the end. i dont care if she runs against mitt romney that likeability thing willl catch up to her. but yeah the clinton machine is awe-inspiring.

@cuddlebear: Ihear ya, poor people skilla. I think a lot of them could work on that, obama apparently has the brainwashing technique down to a t. I knew people who voted for him because he had "great people skills and charisma" like what? lol Sadly these days I think people vote for these guys for all the wrong reasons, due to name, backgroud or gender as oppose to logical/illogical policies. Know what I mean?

@willpayton: Nahh it's pretty much everything going to hell under obama, but feel free to call it "bs" and ignore it all you want, it doesn't change the facts that clearly exist. As I said, nobody can debunk the many factual flaws about obama.

No, they're not taken out of context, you're just misinterpreting them or trying to say they're "bs" btw, under bush there were more jobs then there are now, we're in more debt, obama's been in more scandals and now we have obamacare that's just a big mess, and apparently he and his administration knew about the lies you choose to believe...awesome!

Btw, actually no obama didnt according to this link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2952965/posts

I think most people like her, and like you said the Clinton political machine will crush most opponents.

you think most people like her?????? willy, babe, stop drinking the koolaid. the guy 2 years out of the state senate was not crushed. WHY? her likeability, they even addressed it in a debate before with obama telling clinton that she was "likeable enough" IDK what to say about it. i don't think you can teach it and if you could bill clinton would teach the master class. if dems were smart they would not nominate her. 80% of this country are hacks like you who close their eyes and vote whoever is the democrat or republican. production value matters but even green lantern could not overcome ryan reynolds... hillary clinton is ryan reynolds but you already know that dont you........ david alexrod?

LOL...

@cuddlebear:

Did you really just mistake Joaquin for his twin brother Julian the Mayor of San Antonio? Nobody thought that a black 2 term Senator from Illinois could make it to the White House either so maybe another 2 term Representative from Texas could.

You switched topics in our conversation so you obviously could not support your point. That is a concession. Thanks!

The ACA is an idea from Massachusetts Republicans designed to distribute the risk associated with living upon everyone. Auto Insurance Law is an idea from Massachusetts Republicans designed to distribute the risk associated with driving upon everyone. It gets even closer. If I hit your car with my car, you can get health care through my insurance. That means that everyone who has auto insurance also provides health insurance! Everyone in America is already paying for health insurance as required by Auto Insurance Law! Those Republicans in Massachusetts invented the ACA 30 years ago!

How is the ACA a tax, please post the specific citations that say that it is a tax. Many people say the Lottery is a Tax on stupidity, does that make it a tax too?

@vaeternus:

You know that I actually pay for my own transportation and my own health care right? I don't qualify for any form of welfare because me and my wife make too much money. I can't use public transportation because the Republicans keep voting it down. I am in a situation where I have no choice but to pay for these things or lose my ability to pursue happiness.

Conservatives are supposed to be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? Why haven't you done that? Why do you keep taking my money to keep yourself going? (By the way, NYC received 1.3 billion in funding from the Federal Government so that means I have funded your transportation. Again, you are welcome!) Why do you feel that you must use entitlements to survive? Pull yourself up man!

I bet you use an electric mower too don't you?

Facts are not cliche, your suggestion that universal health care leads to poorer health is flat out false and very much the cliched response from conservatives. We are the 46th most efficient health care system in the world and our life expectancy is 78.6. Hong Kong is the 1st most efficient health care system in the world and has a life expectancy of 83.4. See, his universal health care is not only better and leads to long lives but also only costs 3.8% of their GDP as opposed to our 17.2% of our GDP. So thank you for once again playing the uninformed conservative. Most universal health care systems are in fact better. You could always go to Foxnews.com and verify this is you would like.

Obamacare has had exactly no impact on my life because as I said earlier, I am a responsible citizen and I pay for my own health care. My premium did not go up by the way, it is actually 6 dollars less than when I first got my plan 3 years ago.

Bullshit Mountain is a proper noun like Kickass though maybe you should let Vance Astro the moderator make that decision.

Sucks when people warp what you say doesn't it? (Maybe you should stop?)

Drill, Hey you want to be a potty mouth, fine by me, we all have rules to follow, btw youre wrong again with assumptions.

I've used both electrical and gas powered equipment, so by your logic i'd be "conservative and liberal" right? lol.

I'm not taking anything, as i said you're the liberal and liberals want everything for free, not conservatives. I have worked for my money and you're the one person on earth who thinks publica transportation is a "bad" thing, blame the federal governmet and city of mta since they make it happen.

Really? Because I'm quite sure over 2 million people already got booted from their insurance, but feel free to ignore that and warp everything i say, btw I pay for my own healthcare too, i've paid pricier healthcare plans and cheaper. Never free though, but as i said free is poor quality.

And that's funny because this link says france has 'the best universal healthcare" but that's not the same as quality medical treatments, procedures.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/health/131001/global-health-care-systems-obamacarePerhaps you didn't know last year canadian ambassador came HERE for heart surgery...go figure?

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=cbsthismorning&catid=57609737&feed_id=30

The article pretty much makes the case that universal health insurance is better than what we have. It may not exactly say that they have the same quality treatments, but they do apparently have better outcomes when it comes to things like infant mortality and life span.

From the article you posted:

"The French live two years longer than Americans, with half the infant mortality. France spends less than 11 percent of GDP on health compared to more than 16 percent in the United States. Cancer treatment is free. When Genentech developed Avastin, Business Week calculated a year’s supply at $48,000 in America. It cost patients nothing in France."

@vaeternus:

Again, proper nouns are immune to censorship rules. Otherwise any use of the comic book Kickass would be reason enough to censor someone.

Who cares what you have used in the past, what do you use now?

You keep taking money out of my pocket to pay for your health care and your transportation. How is it that you are not a taker? You are the very definition of taker! You used transportation subsidized by my tax dollars to get to your job to make your money. So how come I don't get a share of your money since you are taking mine?

Do you seriously think I think that Public Transportation is a bad thing? Did I just Stephen Colbert you? Damn, you conservatives are so easy.

Hold on, you just said that you have medicare and now you are paying for your own? Which is it? I guess hypocrites have difficulty remembering which lies they are telling.

I am glad you brought up that Canadian Premier. You know why he came here rather than stay there? Because if he had stayed, he might have had to wait his turn. See, he is incredibly rich, a millionaire I believe. He decided that waiting in line sucked so he did what all rich people do, he found someone who would work on his schedule. He could have spent some of his money expanding the facilities to increase the speed at which he and everyone could get through but he took the cheapest option. I bet you think that he did the right thing? Guess what, the rich have choice in their health care options you and I do not. It is interesting that he had to quit his job after such a douchebag move.

@willpayton:

Don't you love when they make our case for us by irresponsibly posting links they have not read?

@ Will, 2 years is nothing though...asians actually live far longer and people in Netherlands then both us and the french...besides, people here have lived over 100 it's just the lifestyle americans live(eating every day at bk, mcdonalds, fast food etc) it's no wonder we lead the world in obesity.

@ Drill, notice everyone else here when they refer to Bulls$hi% says BS, you flat out said the whole word which isn't allowed. Kickass is the name of a series thus it's allowed, you're not referring to that or the adjective.

No, you're out of you mind if you think "I'm taking money out of your pocket" especially when chances are I'm older then you are and live in an entirely different state(if not country) then you. I guess you're a taker too then! Since you're a liberal always for raising taxes, want everything free, giving everyone the "same thing" regardless of who's a hard worker, who's lazy etc. Uhh, no I don't take PT to subsidize anyone, I take it because it's necessary and more convenient. In case you haven't realized ask anyone if they drive to the city and they will laugh at you....you're not even making sense, just trolling at this point. You do know NYC is mostly liberal right and yet agree with me concerning Public Transportation.

You obviously didn't read the part where I said "I've had both expensive healthcare plans and cheaper ones" did you? But that's ok, either way you can't justify Obama lying to everyone as back in 2009 he was quoted saying "you will still be able to keep your healthcare" now, funny "you won't be able to" funny how that works ain't it? You libs lol You sir are the hypocrite. Medicare doesn't mean I pay nothing, I still pay just less and I still pay big money for procedures, tests etc I've had several over the years Blue Cross, HIP, Emblym Health, Aetna. But you're whole post is hypocritical as you're bashing me for having various healthplans over the years where I "may pay less at times" yet you're supporting Obamacare which pays NOTHING! lol Liberal logic.

Oh yes, because only "the rich" can afford or choose their healthcare, keep watching MSNBC and believe that. You're obviously unfamiliar with that case so here, I'll provide it for you.

Even others are talking about this lol on here.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic-5/white-house-knew-millions-would-lose-health-covera-1508867/#21

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Cardiology/AcuteCoronarySyndrome/18279

Oh he's wealthy right? That's what you're going to tell me, or maybe he just knows thatthe USA/ NYC has superior doctors when it comes to heart surgery? his rank is irrelevant, he still chose to come here. There's other stories out there too not just him of people wishing to come here or choosing to come here for proper healthcare.

@vaeternus: Kickass is a proper noun which is why we can use it without fear of moderation. Bullshit Mountain is also a proper noun which means I have no fear of moderation. You should know this, you live there, silly!

Why don't you try saying "2 years is nothing" when your mom dies? See how much it stings.

I have already stated how old I am and where I live. You have read these things because they were posted in threads that you have read.

If you use Public Transportation and Medicare you are taking money out of my pocket plain and simple. New York City accepted 1.3 billion dollars in taxpayer dollars last year which means that my tax dollars helped to subsidized your transportation. I have paid for your health care and your transportation. You are welcome by the way, I have still not received a thank you. "I guess you're a taker too then!" It is nice to finally have you admit that you are a taker. Now that you admitted it you can finally get help for your crippling hypocrisy. Taking my money while decrying the government for taking my money is just ridiculous. Maybe you should see a doctor on my dime to see if they can help you with your crippling hypocrisy and this burn.

NYC is mostly liberal? Who would have thought that? Maybe I did when I suggested that you live in a den of evil. You just continue to fall prey to my ridiculously obvious Stephen Colbert tactics. I guess all those surveys saying that conservatives believed he was a conservative are true.

I would love a non-partisan source detailing the exact numbers of people who have lost their insurance due to the ACA. When you bring me nothing because you have never lived up to your claims, I'll accept the concession. No one I know has had to change anything and even my conservative father was surprised when nothing at all happened to his health insurance not even a premium hike.

I am actually quite acquainted with the case. He would have had to go to Ontario and wait in line for his surgery. But being a cable TV mogul sometimes referred to as Danny Millions, Danny Williams decided after weeks of consulting with his doctors that it would be more ideal for him to fly to Miami to have the routine procedure done. Did you know the best place to get cardiac work done in the US is Baylor Medical in Texas which is what your article even states? Why would he go to Miami? What does Miami have that Baylor does not? Oh yeah, it has beaches and is an awesome vacation spot. He figured out how to make his surgery into a vacation! See, rich people have choice in health care. You and I, we do not because neither of us have the money to fly to Miami, pay for the exorbitantly expensive procedure, and then rest and relax for a month in a condo in Sarasota, Florida. You really need to start reading up on things before commenting.

@cuddlebear@lady_liberty@cezar_thescribe Isn't it funny how people like this drill fellow thinks he's paying for my transportation when I walk 95% of the time isn't it? I see what you guys mean now by the liberal logic.

@ drill, Yes, but you're saying the actual word with "s^&*" I've seen other users say less and get warned for that...

I live in reality, maybe you live there.

Ok, you gotta be trolling at this point, thinking you're Stephen Colbert(which btw he does things like make an @ss of himself in front of Congress) great role model ;), now you're talking about my mom dying because you're getting mad nobody here agrees with you? lol Talk about irrelevant lol. No, not really since we all have to die at some point.

Right, right, well then since you don't live in NY you're in no position to judge. I happen to also live in the most expensive part of the country(in case you're unaware that's NYC) , so as I said PT is everyone's right here and it's necessary. Well, as I said complain to the politicians here as most of them are liberal. You've not paid anything for me, if you're going to say such ridiculous things then my family has paid for you being far older. Your logic is off track. No, because by your logic if "I take, then you take" right? We all take from the government don't we in some shape, way of form? Did you know the government takes from you every day? Taxes? All those extra things in your paycheck in case you haven't noticed. But do ignore that and focus on "me".

Funny, because there's those many, many cases of millions of people losing theirs due to Obamacare. Go figure...

Sure you are, then you'd know why he came here for better medical treatment then he could find in Canada. He went to NYC btw, not Miami where you're getting miami from I don't know. You're just amusing at this point with nothing logical to say and you thinking you're Colbert. Too much TV is bad especially the kind that brainwashes. I do read up on things, you need to stop seeing the glass half full before you post in these topics.

madating car insurance is fine. cars do not have a bill of rights. who is running? you should go review the supreme court ruling on the ACA(obamacare). i am not going to cite anything professor obama i am here to ridicule partisan hacks.

the french were going to fight obamacare but SHOCKER they gave up (BOOM cheap shot)

@cuddlebear:

So it is fine that if I hit someone with my car that they receive medical treatment but it is not fine for me to shoot someone and they receive medical treatment? That is some rather skewed way of looking at things. Why do you think Cars deserve more protection than people? Do you value cars more than people? Better not tell @vaeternus that, he'll berate you on how Public Transportation is more valuable than Cars.

Professor Obama? So now I am secretly the President of the United States who also moonlights at a university? Do you know what burden of proof is? It is a simple doctrine, you make a claim, you are responsible for providing proof. You made a claim, you failed to provide proof. But this is exactly what I would expect from someone who has thrown in with @vaeternus, as he has yet to substantiate any of his claims.

You are here to ridicule partisan hacks? You know that fits the definition of flaming, right? Thank you for saying that so that I can flag you for it.

@vaeternus:

So you can post callouts for your friends but not for me? How discourteous.

BULLSH*T MOUNTAIN IS A PROPER NOUN. I bolded, underlined, and used all caps so that I could ensure that you had read it. Until you can counter that, you have no ground to stand on.

Colbert didn't make an ass out himself in front of Congress, he played the part and then left Congress looking like the fools that they are. I bet you'll defend the dignity of Congress next.

You said that 2 years was nothing, I just wanted you to apply that statement to your own life since you obviously are unable to discern your rhetoric from reality.

I don't live in New York so I am in no position to judge? I guess since I haven't tasted feces I am in no position to judge it either? Perhaps since no one in Congress is a software programmer, they are in no position to judge the ACA website? You aren't a world leader so you are in no position to judge the President of the United States. What you just used is a fallacy that effectively discredits your entire point. Thank you for doing that! I was hoping you would retreat into that fallacy.

So Public Transportation is now not only a necessity it is a right? Where in the Constitution does it state that Public Transportation is a right? Who determined that it was a right? Because we do have a right to life that was being heavily disenfranchised by the previous system. Your city took 1.3 billion in federal tax dollars which means vis a vis the transitive property, I am paying for your transportation!

Are you saying that it is now okay to take from the government? I bet Paul Ryan and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz would lose their mind if one of their conservative base said that.

Still waiting for that non partisan source of Americans losing their health care. Thanks for the concession on this point. If there are millions of cases then you should be able to easily show them to me.

I'm getting Miami from the interview he did. I thought you knew the story? He was going in for a routine procedure that was available in multiple hospitals in Canada. But since it was elective, he would have had to wait. He didn't want to wait so he used his money to make it happen. Richers gonna rich!

Glass half full? You think me an optimist? I work in retail/customer service, any optimism I had died long ago.

@cuddlebear: Hmmm, I wonder...certain somebody disappears while someone else suddenly takes their place. It's a long story lol.

But I agree, seems a lot are caving to obamacare, as you said shocker lol

Why would Id belittle or belate him/cuddlebear? Im pretty sure cuddlebear didnt mock all who take public transportation nor say 'its socialist'

@ Dire, you mean as courteous as insulting other members because of difference in opinion? That doesn't aid your argument.

You can't justify breaking the rules, you're not anymore or less exempt then I am or anyone else here. Where is it NOT a right? Do you think everyone in the country can afford a car? You are aware that Public Transportation was created to GET people from point A to point B who don't drive right? Do you realize how important it is for students, workers, teachers, politicians etc even? Maybe your mommy drove you all over the place in school, but most families here don't. At least 50% of the students got to school via public transportation, I know cause i was one of them and believe me those buses were PACKED! Did you know that statistical facts show LESS people now days drive then before? 2009, 16-34 age dropped 23% driving compared to 2001.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/01/social-media-driving-millennials/2898093/

As for claims, mine havw substance as theyre backed by factual links, statistics.

Yes, I'm aware that's why I gave you the link. Well, I can't help you out if you're pessimistic on everything. I've worked in retail/sales, while it may not be the best job it's still a job. You play the hands you're dealt in life and make the best of it. Besides, there's TONS of far more crappier jobs out there.

I'm not an American and I come from a country with a pretty awesome healthcare system. What's the issue with this Obamacare thing exactly?

The opposition to Obamacare by the Republican party is more of a red herring. The real reason they oppose it is because from the day Obama got elected they've taken the stand that they will oppose pretty much everything he does. Their initial goal was simply to make sure Obama never got re-elected. Since this health care program was the main thing he tried to do in his first term, they tried anything and everything to try to make it fail. This included outright lying about the program, fear mongering, and now putting out TV ads like the creepy ones where they suggest that if you get Obamacare then the government will rape you.

The reason I know their opposition is simply political instead of ideological is because Obamacare is based on a plan proposed by a conservative group called the Hermitage Foundation. Then, a plan almost exactly like Obamacare was implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, the guy who ran against Obama in the last election. That plan in Massachusetts, btw, seems to have been a big success... and Obamacare was modeled after that.

@comicstooge: pretty much s

A few things. In 2009, obama said 'if you want to keep your insurance, you can'

Now in 2013, that its past he lied as it came out few.days ago obama said 'you will lose your insurance' therez already been cases of at least 200 million people being turned down certain tests and/or losing their current health provider due to obamacare. Theres flaws about it the obama administration knew but hid from the public such as premiums, little details with aca aka obamacare that will effect everyone. Theres another topic on proof that obama knew about this.

First off, It technically hasn't even started yet. And secondly, it's the Affordable Care Act. Slapping President Obama's name on it is nothing short of an insult, like Hooverhomes.

@citizenbane: Just 1.5 million ;) I'm going by what I read...see for yourself. Article states 1.5 already lost their healthcare, nothing false about it.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/28/ObamaCare-Costs-15-Million-Their-Health-Insurance-So-Far

He's long given up on even pretending to say things that make sense or are true. Now it's all just made up statistics and nonsense.

@willpayton:

Yeah, I forgot you see facts as ="nonsense made up" right? Just like all of the Obama scandals too right? All made up lol .Yeah, I totally "made that link up" lol. You probably didn't even read the link it's just easier to dismiss it as "nonsense"

Would you like me to get Obama quotes? Oh wait, I'd be "making that up" too right?

2009 Obama quoted:

"You’ll Be Able to Keep Your Health Care Plan, Period,”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/06/what-does-the-presidents-promise-youll-be-able-to-keep-your-health-care-plan-period-really-mean/

2013 Obamacare effecting millions of people, getting mail telling them their current plans are cancelled.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/30/obamacare-reminder-if-you-like-your-healthcare-plan-you-cant-necessarily-keep-it-n1608963

Yeah...all of that is nonsense right?

*sigh*

being a constitutional republic is not perfect but its the best form of government i know of. do i value people more than cars? depends on the person and the car i suppose. what claim did i make that i failed to prove? its you that is out there making claims. saying that obamacare was upheld using the tax system is not a claim i am making. saying that obamacare will ruin this country and turn us into venezuela or that the tea party is racist NOW THATS A CLAIM. and seriously teach THE ONLY SENSIBLE WAY TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD IS WITHOUT RULES

if ridiculing you partisan hacks is wrong i dont wanna be right

*sticks flag in ground* "thats our flag, nobody takes our flag"

at my most optimistic thats what i hope i am doing. but i just dont know comrade bane i just dont know

@cuddlebear: You serious? Wow, well I don't know how @citizenbane will respond but that is willful insubordination.

@norrinboltagonprime21: lol indeed. That pic is great btw.

But i am just here to take part in a considered exchange of views among others with similar interests in the subject at hand. if my hyperbole upsets you then i am truly sorry. by ridicule i mean disagree.

@citizenbane: i didnt misread, The first article said 2 million few days ago but now its 1.5 million which is still a massive amount. Either way obama lied, theres no denying that.

If youd like I can post various sources that say the same, and im pretty sure the links arent biased.

@ citizenbane,oh yes because everything people for obamacare in here are totally unbiased. I hate to break it to ya dude, but the facts have nothing to do with "conservative" mouthpieces, besides Obama has TONS of liberal mouth pieces so....especially in this thread.

I didnt misread because I corrected myself. Again, the first initial reports said roughly 2 million, but the links say approximately 1.5 million people got cancelled. This link posted a day ago said over 2 million actually, while the other one said 1.5 million.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609737/obamacare-more-than-2-million-people-getting-booted-from-existing-health-insurance-plans/

But here's more links that have nothing to do with conservative "mouth pieces" just what networks like MSNBC refuse to report ;)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-29/health-policies-canceled-in-latest-hurdle-for-obamacare.html

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-29/yes-people-are-losing-their-insurance-under-obamacare

http://www.infowars.com/rate-shock-obamacare-causing-539-increase-in-health-insurance-costs-for-texans-see-proof/

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/24/health-insurance-cancellation-notices-soar-above-obamacare-enrollment-rates/

http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/confirmed-thousands-millions-losing-health-insurance-due-obamacare/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/29/media-surprised-by-obamacares-effect-on-insuran/196652

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/10/29/media-surprised-by-obamacares-effect-on-insuran/196652

Why are you still denying the fact that obama lied clearly I even quoted what he said in 2009 earlier, and funny everyone except his loyal drones know that was a lie. As I said, I can post it from various other sources but youll just say 'theyre all biased' right?

I read the article, did you? I sense denial.

Why dont you just admit that the figure you gave was completely wrong instead of continuing to claim that "I didnt misread"?

As far as Obama "lying", I think that's highly debatable. Obama was likely talking about the grandfather clause in Obamacare that said that current plans at the time when Obamacare came into effect were excluded from the new regulations. As such, people with those sub-standard plans would indeed be able to keep them... as long as the insurance companies continued to offer them. If the companies then decide to drop those plans, it's their decision and not the fault of Obamacare.

I can see where Obama's statements would be confusing and even misleading to people, but I'd stop short of calling what he said a lie. I'd be more concerned about why the insurance companies are dropping existing plans for people who have them and want to keep them. Can you tell me why that is?

Why is Fox News and all the conservative media obsessing about Obama and not reporting on the insurance companies? Could it be that conservative media is simply a tool for large corporations? Like, for example:

@willpayton: Funny, non of my links re from Fox news yet you keep ranting on Fox? Also, using John stewart proves nothing as the first video I posted even he admits Obamacare is fail! Simple, because as I said one was an earlier report, others updated. If you read the links you'd know this. Why don't you just admit you're in denial? Are you on Obama's payroll or something? lol

http://www.westernjournalism.com/liberal-jon-stewart-mercilessly-mocks-obamacare-snafu/

John Stewart goes where the wind blows and mocks whatever is "the trend" if you don't know this by now(despite him being a big liberal) then you must not watch his show that often.

It's like @cuddlebear and @kingjohnrocks said previously, even a lot of liberals are even opening their eyes about obamacare but hey, believe what you want dude.

Congratulations on completely missing (or simply ignoring) my point.

@willpayton:

You mean like you've been doing to everyone not for obamacare in this entire thread?

@diredrill@citizenbane@willpayton@vaeternus Obama said if i like this thread i can keep it