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Super-Cena.

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The One Above all, The Presence, The creator of light. Some off the top of my head...

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Isn't that spot pretty much reserved for TOAA?

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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

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@theparadox: So no healing any amputees because they aren't faithful enough? I am going to call bullshit on that.

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@voicesinmyhead: How? You want too be healed, but you don't believe it could happen? God said if you believe, it would happen, but if you don't believe, how is that God's problem?

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Madoka

This girl is the most powerful being in all of fiction. This magical girl is the GOD of her entire universe, and exists in everywhere.

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Dante (DMC 1-4)

Ryu Hyabusa

Goku and Super Man naturally

Batman

Spiderman

Hulk

Head Captain Yamamoto

Might Guy

Sage of the Six Paths

Yujiro and Baki Hanama (for being just regular humans)

Gene the Godhand

Doctor Doom

Spawn

Beerus

Kirby (Destroyer of worlds!!!!!)

Aizen

Vasto Lordes Ichigo

Scar (FMA)

Kratos

The Living Tribunal

Asura

Akuma

The Apprentice (Star Wars)

Solid Snake

King Bradley

Any Gotei 13 Captain (past, present, or future)

Doomsday

Deadpool

Wolverine

Pheonix

Leon Belmont

Sephiroth

So many!!!!! I'm missing a crap load, I know but this is a short list of what I believe to be some of the most "Top Tier" bada**es ever.

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Black Panther is the correct answer.

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Jack Kirby

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Patapouf from the L. verse.

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Abrahamic God is the most powerful fictional character.

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@overmonitor: The brothers threatened to annihilate the others multiverse. The brothers didn't even pay any attention to him.

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@overmonitor: The brothers threatened to annihilate the others multiverse. The brothers didn't even pay any attention to him.

I honestly have no idea what this has to do with Black Panther...

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@khael said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and throw Yog-Sothoth out there for critique.

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@khael said:
@nickras said:
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@nickras said:

Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

The term omnipotent can only be apply in his own universe, other than that we can go by what you said or feats

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@khael said:
@nickras said:
@khael said:
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@nickras said:

Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

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@nickras said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

Then how can we sure that this or that guy is omnipotent? statement? It has been proven false most of the time, have you read what happened to Presence recently? or feats? there is literally no feats that can prove a character to be an omnipotent being

Omnipotent means all powerful, has rule over anything (in his universe unless you believe that he can also rule our world)

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@khael said:
@nickras said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

Then how can we sure that this or that guy is omnipotent? statement? It has been proven false most of the time, have you read what happened to Presence recently? or feats? there is literally no feats that can prove a character to be an omnipotent being

Omnipotent means all powerful, has rule over anything (in his universe unless you believe that he can also rule our world)

That's how this comment chain started though-I was saying that you can't prove a character's omnipotence by feats. I don't care about Presence, I'm talking about any actually omnipotent characters. For example, if I included Christian God in this (mind you, I'm not saying that he's fictional), then the dogma of the Church clearly states that he's omnipotent. Not "super uber powerful", omnipotent with such a characteristic not being used as hyperbole (unlike in many comics).

The point there is different. Obviously an omnipotent character in fiction A can't affect fiction B since from his point of view, fiction B doesn't even exist. On the other hand, he should be able to recreate fiction B in his world and kick the ass of every resident of fiction B that isn't omnipotent. He couldn't defeat or create the omnipotent character from fiction B since that would create a logical paradox (2 omnipotent beings cannot exist, or else they wouldn't be omnipotent), but everything else is fair game.

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Always that one guy answering "God".

But anyways, I would probably say TOAA, because he's potentially the only fictional character that is also a real life person.

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Beyonder or Dc's Presence. Did anyone say this yet?

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#434 Zetsu-San  Online

@nickras said:
@zetsumoto said:
@khael said:
@nickras said:
@khael said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

See here is the thing, different stories have different lore, and when comparing the power levels of characters we need to take the lore of both stories into consideration. Just because a being is omnipotent in the context of one story does not mean he'd be considered omnipotent in the context of another. For example:

Story A has exactly one universe that's mentioned, and exactly one omnipotent all powerful creator that governs everything within said universe, we'll call him Yahweh. Story B has an infinite number of different universes each with their own all powerful creator that controls everything within their respective worlds. However, each of these worlds exist inside one giant abyss, and all of these universal lords answer to one powerful being that is above all of them, examples "TOAA" or "Core of the Abyss".

This Yahweh stand in is clearly omnipotent within the context of his own story. However once we place him in the context of story B he's just a universal lord rather than the omnipotent king of the heap.

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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

See here is the thing, different stories have different lore, and when comparing the power levels of characters we need to take the lore of both stories into consideration. Just because a being is omnipotent in the context of one story does not mean he'd be considered omnipotent in the context of another. For example:

Story A has exactly one universe that's mentioned, and exactly one omnipotent all powerful creator that governs everything within said universe, we'll call him Yahweh. Story B has an infinite number of different universes each with their own all powerful creator that controls everything within their respective worlds. However, each of these worlds exist inside one giant abyss, and all of these universal lords answer to one powerful being that is above all of them, examples "TOAA" or "Core of the Abyss".

This Yahweh stand in is clearly omnipotent within the context of his own story. However once we place him in the context of story B he's just a universal lord rather than the omnipotent king of the heap.

The problem is that you can't be omnipotent "in the context of something". Let's say that story A has overall "power level" of 10 and story B has 1000. If both Yahweh and TOAA are omnipotent (and not just by title), their power level would be infinite regardless of the power level of their respective universes/multiverses.

It's all because omnipotency doesn't play by specific power or feats. The concept is an amalgamation of two other: the concept of ability and the concept of scale. Omnipotence is the top of the scale of ability, regardless of what lies beneath it. If any given amount of ability is x, omnipotence is x+1.

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@nickras said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

See here is the thing, different stories have different lore, and when comparing the power levels of characters we need to take the lore of both stories into consideration. Just because a being is omnipotent in the context of one story does not mean he'd be considered omnipotent in the context of another. For example:

Story A has exactly one universe that's mentioned, and exactly one omnipotent all powerful creator that governs everything within said universe, we'll call him Yahweh. Story B has an infinite number of different universes each with their own all powerful creator that controls everything within their respective worlds. However, each of these worlds exist inside one giant abyss, and all of these universal lords answer to one powerful being that is above all of them, examples "TOAA" or "Core of the Abyss".

This Yahweh stand in is clearly omnipotent within the context of his own story. However once we place him in the context of story B he's just a universal lord rather than the omnipotent king of the heap.

The problem is that you can't be omnipotent "in the context of something". Let's say that story A has overall "power level" of 10 and story B has 1000. If both Yahweh and TOAA are omnipotent (and not just by title), their power level would be infinite regardless of the power level of their respective universes/multiverses.

It's all because omnipotency doesn't play by specific power or feats. The concept is an amalgamation of two other: the concept of ability and the concept of scale. Omnipotence is the top of the scale of ability, regardless of what lies beneath it. If any given amount of ability is x, omnipotence is x+1.

Yes, but once you are dealing with a multiversal entity that is above universal lords, it's no longer x+1 so much as it is x+2. You cannot prove infinity. Just because story A has not covered other universes or beings above it's supposed "omnipotent" Yahweh, does not mean they don't exist. When doing cross franchise battles, we are combining lore, and thus those other universes must exist for the sake of argument.

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@nickras said:
@zetsumoto said:
@nickras said:
@zetsumoto said:
@khael said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

See here is the thing, different stories have different lore, and when comparing the power levels of characters we need to take the lore of both stories into consideration. Just because a being is omnipotent in the context of one story does not mean he'd be considered omnipotent in the context of another. For example:

Story A has exactly one universe that's mentioned, and exactly one omnipotent all powerful creator that governs everything within said universe, we'll call him Yahweh. Story B has an infinite number of different universes each with their own all powerful creator that controls everything within their respective worlds. However, each of these worlds exist inside one giant abyss, and all of these universal lords answer to one powerful being that is above all of them, examples "TOAA" or "Core of the Abyss".

This Yahweh stand in is clearly omnipotent within the context of his own story. However once we place him in the context of story B he's just a universal lord rather than the omnipotent king of the heap.

The problem is that you can't be omnipotent "in the context of something". Let's say that story A has overall "power level" of 10 and story B has 1000. If both Yahweh and TOAA are omnipotent (and not just by title), their power level would be infinite regardless of the power level of their respective universes/multiverses.

It's all because omnipotency doesn't play by specific power or feats. The concept is an amalgamation of two other: the concept of ability and the concept of scale. Omnipotence is the top of the scale of ability, regardless of what lies beneath it. If any given amount of ability is x, omnipotence is x+1.

Yes, but once you are dealing with a multiversal entity that is above universal lords, it's no longer x+1 so much as it is x+2. You cannot prove infinity. Just because story A has not covered other universes or beings above it's supposed "omnipotent" Yahweh, does not mean they don't exist. When doing cross franchise battles, we are combining lore, and thus those other universes must exist for the sake of argument.

If the character from story A was omnipotent, he could make a multiverse-it doesn't matter where such a character resides in the first place. If he couldn't create a multiverse, he wouldn't be omnipotent. "Omnipotent" doesn't mean "can do anything within his realm", it means "can do anything". That's why I said that you cannot prove that a character is omnipotent by feats, but also that superhero comics tend to throw around the term "omnipotent" as a hyperbole.

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@nickras said:
@zetsumoto said:
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@nickras said:
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Why isn't this thread already locked? Any omnipotent character is the most powerful one in fiction.

Omnipotent by statement can still be countered by feats

A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that, going by feats to prove which of characters that were actually intended to be omnipotent is "more omnipotent" is extremely stupid. Yeah, an omnipotent guy destroyed a galaxy in one book and other guy destroyed a universe in another book, big deal. At the end of the day, they're still both omnipotent.

Nope

Feats > statement

unless you believe Galactus is Omnipotent at the end of the day

Hard to argue with somebody who doesn't read what you write. To quote my previous post "A lot of western superhero comics use "omnipotent" as a hyperbole. Other than that...".

Feats>statements is a general guideline, using it as an unbreakable rule creates some amusing results. Let's say that we have a story with an omnipotent character, the context makes it obvious by making connections with abrahamic God-some more subtle, some a bit less. The only thing that this omnipotent character does in the story is that he lifts a car from a car accident victim. By your logic, this character that has been built as omnipotent throughout the whole story is weaker than Spiderman.

Use common sense please.

Lets say Presence, his best feats is created Michael and Lucifer

If somebody that stated not Omnipotent have better feats than him

it's still debatable because Presence w/his feats < This guy w/his feats, you can't just make an argument about Presence being Omnipotent

Statement still means absolutely nothing if their feats say the other wise

What you said logically means that an omnipotent character cannot exist in fiction (you cannot prove that somebody is omnipotent with feats for obvious reasons), is that what you're implying?

Nah, it's go like this

They're still omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that verse we still have to go by feats

The fantastic thing about omnipotence is that you either are omnipotent, or you're not. There aren't "degrees" of omnipotence, so there's no need to use individual feats to find out who is "more omnipotent".

It's not about the degrees they're just omnipotent in their respective universe but other than that we still have to go by feats

It's not more Omnipotent, dude, i have to use some example

example: Elder God suppose to be omnipotent but via feats, they will get stomped by Galactus

The argument about being Omnipotent doesn't exist in CV

There can in fact be degrees of omnipotence. You may be the omnipotent god of whatever universe you created, but that doesn't mean that said world doesn't exist inside a bigger reality with it's own omnipotent ruler that is above you.

Nah, not really.

An omnipotent character is able to do literally ANYTHING. Let's say we have the "lesser" universe, universe A, inside of which Mr. O the Omnipotent resides. Now let's say that there's a "greater" universe, universe B. Is Mr. O actually omnipotent inside of universe A if he isn't inside universe B? If Mr. O was truly omnipotent, he could create universe B and bend it to his will, so the answer is no.

See here is the thing, different stories have different lore, and when comparing the power levels of characters we need to take the lore of both stories into consideration. Just because a being is omnipotent in the context of one story does not mean he'd be considered omnipotent in the context of another. For example:

Story A has exactly one universe that's mentioned, and exactly one omnipotent all powerful creator that governs everything within said universe, we'll call him Yahweh. Story B has an infinite number of different universes each with their own all powerful creator that controls everything within their respective worlds. However, each of these worlds exist inside one giant abyss, and all of these universal lords answer to one powerful being that is above all of them, examples "TOAA" or "Core of the Abyss".

This Yahweh stand in is clearly omnipotent within the context of his own story. However once we place him in the context of story B he's just a universal lord rather than the omnipotent king of the heap.

The problem is that you can't be omnipotent "in the context of something". Let's say that story A has overall "power level" of 10 and story B has 1000. If both Yahweh and TOAA are omnipotent (and not just by title), their power level would be infinite regardless of the power level of their respective universes/multiverses.

It's all because omnipotency doesn't play by specific power or feats. The concept is an amalgamation of two other: the concept of ability and the concept of scale. Omnipotence is the top of the scale of ability, regardless of what lies beneath it. If any given amount of ability is x, omnipotence is x+1.

Yes, but once you are dealing with a multiversal entity that is above universal lords, it's no longer x+1 so much as it is x+2. You cannot prove infinity. Just because story A has not covered other universes or beings above it's supposed "omnipotent" Yahweh, does not mean they don't exist. When doing cross franchise battles, we are combining lore, and thus those other universes must exist for the sake of argument.

If the character from story A was omnipotent, he could make a multiverse-it doesn't matter where such a character resides in the first place. If he couldn't create a multiverse, he wouldn't be omnipotent. "Omnipotent" doesn't mean "can do anything within his realm", it means "can do anything". That's why I said that you cannot prove that a character is omnipotent by feats, but also that superhero comics tend to throw around the term "omnipotent" as a hyperbole.

Just because a being claims it's omnipotent does not mean it truly is. Some stories simply operate on a larger scale than others.. If you have a seemingly omnipotent being in one story, but another story has a bunch of similar beings with equal feats (creating and governing a single universe) and a multiversal omnipotent being that rules the others; we cannot assume that the being from the first story would be equal to the multiversal omnipotent one.

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@dccomicsrule2011: And does that even worth complaining?

Just look at me... I got tagged all the time when I'm not even part of the argument anymore >_<

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@dccomicsrule2011: And does that even worth complaining?

Just look at me... I got tagged all the time when I'm not even part of the argument anymore >_<

Well, prolly not, but I'mma jerk and complainer so it fits. :)

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There is no single fictional being any greater than the imagination of the creator who designed them. So the answer must be, potato!