Is VSBattle Accurate ?

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Poll: Is VSBattle Accurate ? (181 votes)

Yes 9%
No 49%
Sometimes 36%
Deathbattle is right 6%

Vsbattle seems to have verses like DBZ and DBS accurate so why can’t we apply and use the page for other verses ?

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VSBattles is really big on scaling and there’s a lot of wank in some areas. And no, I don’t really think they understand DBS that well. DBZ is *fine* on there I guess?

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Some of the things in VSBattle is fine,the most problematic thing with this site is that they use clouds/stroms calcs or energy calcs which clearly not make any sense and the writers clearly not meant to such thing.

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#4  Edited By YhwachSOLOKING

they at least understand what attack potency is which this site seems to ignore and focus purely on DC, they're better in that regard.

They also usually have good reasoning for why certain characters are where they are but they have an over reliance on calcs.

@zxc6 I agree with the cloud/storm calcs being bad, a lot of assumption is made and it's clear that is not what the author intended. No way All Might is island level from that storm he made.

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Look up Castlevania characters. I rest my case lol

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Been done some 37 duotrigintillion times

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I think their biggest issue is that when characters don't have a lot of quantifiable feats, then end up doing a whole bunch of vague generic scaling and you end up with something like Varia Arc Yamamoto being multi city block level in physicals despite having literally 0 good feats for physicals at that point in the series. When characters have lots of quantifiable feats their VS Battles pages end up significantly more reasonable.

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Sometimes, their tiering system is decent, but flawed. The way they treat characters' tiers sucks though and is completely wrong.

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This thread has been done to death already.

Why is VsBattles so unreliable?

Exhibit A- Ranking Wolverine with Solar System striking.

That's all you need, quite frankly.

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@diarrhearegatta: i mean it is a case of AP, I don't agree with it but Wolverine has been shown on multiple occasions to hurt high tiers with his claws so I could possibly see the reasoning.

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#11  Edited By CaoCao

I have only 2 problems with VSBattle. The Tieringsystem and the Fancalcs.

EDIT: Also to many FairyTards.

But still better then OBD, Topstrongestwiki and other Battlewikis that i know.

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#12  Edited By Bossmountain

sometime with DBZ and Naruto and saint saiya they are accurate( you know series that tend to rely mostly on power scaling and character statement opposed to feats) other times it's complete nonsense like Multi-versal Kratos with Infinite speed https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kratos

or Universal level Viewtiful joe https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Viewtiful_Joe_(Character)

or Universal level video game sonic https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(Game_Character)

funny how almost as soon as Goku got that universal level feat people began wanking other characters to universal status and beyond to match him.

They also classified most digimon as universal to multi-versal entity...etc.

some franchise get wank due to popularity (steven universe, star and forces of evil, Jojo biazarre adventure, undertale ) others get shitted on (mostly Bleach..kinda like on this site..)

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#13  Edited By Bossmountain

they're still more accurate than other vs battle wiki sites or death battle but they're still wrong like 40% percent of the time. And they seem to get less accurate with each passing year.

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#14  Edited By maestromage

@bossmountain: Don't forget Universal Danny Phantom https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Danny_Phantom

EDIT: What's worse is that it didn't use to say that lmao. Someone looked at the page and changed it so he's "possibly Universal+" now.

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@yhwachsoloking: His point was - they said just because wolverine cut high to trans tier characters, he has solar system level striking. They forgot that wolverine only cut these high tiers because of Adamantium.

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On very rare occasions, they can get a couple things right.

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@bossmountain: how tf does one get multiverse level Kratos from playing GoW3?

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#19  Edited By Bossmountain

@ecoblitz: apparently he has multiversal attack power from overpowering zeus as shown here :

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and has shown Infinite speed by keeping up with Hermes

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this is what true Infinite speed looks like, boys and girls.

with these stats and feats Kratos blitz and solos all of Dragon ball super and Saint Sayia combined.

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@bossmountain: pretty much my sentiments they tend to get few verses right but also wank the shit out of others as well

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@bossmountain: when I saw them keep punisher at town level durability and Mach 200+ or was it 2,000+ i was laughing my ass off. I think they’ve changed it now tho.

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#22  Edited By Wanderez

Universal Dante is a damn meme. Surprisingly no one mentioned it, or did i miss it? Also, lots of game characters are wanked to Hell and back.

Gilgamesh is still at large planet level according to vs battles, when in reality he is multiversal.

The list goes on and on.

Their tiering system is flawed. They accept fan calcs over feats and logic, or just straight up ignore them.

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@yhwachsoloking: it was him, Spider-Man, punisher, iron fist lol they scaled them off of each other lmao

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They are pretty bad but especially with Marvel and DC. They push scaling a little too far. Their anime is pretty 50/50 on accuracy.

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#26  Edited By zgtfreak

@diarrhearegatta said:

This thread has been done to death already.

Why is VsBattles so unreliable?

Exhibit A- Ranking Wolverine with Solar System striking.

That's all you need, quite frankly.

Solar system Yoda, Darth Sidious, and Darth Revan.

@wanderez Gilgamesh is still at large planet level according to vs battles, when in reality he is multiversal.

Apparently they put CCC Gilgamesh at planet level and call all of his feats and statements "outliers" because they scale him to his main timeline counterpart (FSN and GO), despite the fact Extra timelines do not scale to the main timelines.

OT: The worst part about VS Battles is their cross-verse dimensional tiering and outerverse nonsense. VSBattles uses dimensional tiering incorrectly pretty much all the time. Some fictions use different types of dimensional tiering and some use none. Some fictions consider higher dimensions infinitely/completely superior to lower, while in some other fictions, lower dimensional beings can beat higher because higher dimensions mean nothing in that fiction. To determine whether or not a fictional series uses dimensional tiering, we need said series to confirm that there are higher dimensions and confirm that said higher dimensions are completely/infinitely superior to lower ones; not to mention that 4-D even in verses with dimensional tiering is almost never infinitely above 3-D, as 4-D is merely a temporal time dimension. They assume any 4-D universe is infinite despite this being proven the opposite in many fictions. A standard infinite sized universe equates to a standard sized multiverse (aka a multiverse containing infinite universes of FINITE size) as they are the same in size.

As for the stupid outerverse concept: let's say your verse is 10-D... If someone transcends the dimensions of that verse, that would only make them 11-D in another verse with even higher dimensions; not to mention transcending dimensions doesn't necessarily even mean you are superior to said dimensions in some verses, just like how dimensions themselves aren't always superior to lower dimensions in some verses. If a verse exist where dimensional tiering exist and someone transcends finite dimensions, that's really nothing compared to infinite. You may say "But they transcend the CONCEPTS of dimensions entirely", but no, that just means they transcended the concepts of those FINITE dimensions, which is nothing compared to infinite-D. Technically speaking with verses involving dimensional tiering, any higher dimension technically transcends the concepts of lower dimensions entirely as well. See? Being beyond the concept of finite dimensions means nothing, as that simply means you exist in a higher dimension beyond the concept of lower ones.

In short, VS Battles tiering system falls apart at the high 3-A level (aka high/infinite sized universe level) and gets worse from that point on.

Their scaling and logic for tiers lower than this are still terrible as well. Solar system Star Wars characters. LOL

@loveeveryone2Vsbattle seems to have verses like DBZ and DBS accurate so why can’t we apply and use the page for other verses ?

VS Battles DB pages are not accurate; they have their speed at quadrillions of times FTL.

Also you put this in the battle section when this is not a battle; it should be put in the general discussion forum.

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#28  Edited By Supermanthor

Nope

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Vsbattles use the same scaling as Narutoforums and space battles as well. They are accepted by most vs battle forums around the net.

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#31  Edited By zgtfreak

@lordragoon said:

Vsbattles use the same scaling as Narutoforums and space battles as well. They are accepted by most vs battle forums around the net.

They do not use the same scaling as Spacebattles and are rejected entirely there. VS Battles logic is debunked with facts daily on both Vine and Spacebattles (though Spacebattles is stupid in its own right).

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Lol I've been to the site once and didnt stay long enough to read anything.

I only come to these threads to read why they seem to suck.

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It’s as reliable as Wikipedia is for general knowledge.

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616 Punisher has quadrupal digit mach combat speed on their site. He's more than 4,000 times faster than his own bullets apparently

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#35  Edited By Sungsam

FACTS

VSBattles likes to parade around saying that Wave Functions is Infinite Dimensional.

Facts however says that Wave Functions is a concept in Quantum Mechanics which is 10 Dimensional.

I have no idea where they got that idea from. Lmfao

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Spider-Man has town busting punches, Wolverine and Iron Fist are MHS, Captain America has solar system level durability.

Of course they’re reliable and accurate.

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My dude, they said MCU iron man is country level, because of thanos’s moon feat lol.

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@zgtfreak: Agreed. Dimensional tiering is a verse specific thing and only verse i know that uses it is umineko.

Since its not a real concept (finite amount of energy can make a 10D space-time collapse irl, there is actually a formula for the expansion/collapse speed of a n-dimensional universe dependant on energy density in m^n) it should not be used unless specified in the verse.

However existing before the entire space-time of a verse means you have no physical shape and can not be harmed by limitless energy or total erasure of all space-time no matter the dimensons. So it does not mean more power but complete immunity to any type of conventional attack.

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#39  Edited By Sungsam

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2 said:

@zgtfreak: Agreed. Dimensional tiering is a verse specific thing and only verse i know that uses it is umineko.

Since its not a real concept (finite amount of energy can make a 10D space-time collapse irl, there is actually a formula for the expansion/collapse speed of a n-dimensional universe dependant on energy density in m^n) it should not be used unless specified in the verse.

That's because you are using the actual Quantum Mechanics demanding that all fictions use it (which you have 0 authority to say on the matter). The one we see in fiction is the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics as applied in many fictions which is the Pseudo-Science used in fiction. That said, very little fictions actually use Dimensional Tiering. But it should be used when it is specific.

DC uses it for example (according to Matteis and Jenkins) Marvel kind of used to but not any longer.

What you do is equivalent to insisting that Paladins are not able to use Light Attacks because that's now how light works in real life physics. You are using a Real Life Fallacy in fiction debating which you arbitrarily only use against Fictional Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics. To which your only defense to argue for is arguing for incredulity, which people do not buy. You have to seriously learn how to compromise more in debates.

Unless a writer or a character in a fictional work specifically says their 10 Dimensional Multiverse can be destroyed with Finite Energy, we have no reason to impose every aspect of the accurate hypothesis in real life like that thing about finite energy destroying space-time to the fictional misinterpretation for the sake arguing about magic faeries and big foots that ALSO do not exist in real life.

Real life Quantum Mechanics does not say anything about Multiverses. So this does not apply.

However existing before the entire space-time of a verse means you have no physical shape and can not be harmed by limitless energy or total erasure of all space-time no matter the dimensons. So it does not mean more power but complete immunity to any type of conventional attack.

EXACTLY, there at least here we agree. Existing outside Space-Time is just non-Corporeal not this "Outerversal" Wank.

What VSBattles says is that if you have no Dimensional Space, you can destroy all of Dimensional Space. But forms of Reality Warping often times bypass the issue you mention.

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#40  Edited By Galactic_1000

Vs battles wiki is full of Nonsensical and Illogical stuff.

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This thread has been done to death already.

Why is VsBattles so unreliable?

Exhibit A- Ranking Wolverine with Solar System striking.

That's all you need, quite frankly.

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Let's see here...

Spider-Man punches = town level?

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MCU Iron Man Country level?

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Wolverine striking solar system level?

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So how about:

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@sungsam: Many worlds is not scientifically wrong per say but just unprovable (thus unscientific) for now, but it might be right. Dimensional tiering "logic" on the other hand, is surely wrong irl.

Also what im saying is not about Quantum theory but more about General relativity, gravity and friedmann equation.

I didn't say it should never be used. It should be used in specified verses only. Fiction regularly shits on science. Thats why its called fiction.

It should be the opposite. Unless a verse specifies it takes infinite energy to level a 10D universe it should be assumed to be finite like real life. It is logical to assumes a verse has default gravitational rules. You don't need to prove low end interpretation; unless the high end claim is proven, the burden of proof is on the one claiming the feat is infinitely powerful. If i randomly assumed and said "Soul erasure in DBZ takes infinite energy" i need to give proof not the other way around.

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@ecoblitz: daredevil is still like mach 3k

*Mach 7.7k lmao https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Huesito88/Daredevil_dodging_Lightning_in_a_split_second

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@maestromage said:
@yhwachsoloking said:

@ecoblitz: daredevil is still like mach 3k

*Mach 7.7k lmao https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Huesito88/Daredevil_dodging_Lightning_in_a_split_second

Mach 7748.26? Rofl.

Daredevil 2.15x faster than DCEU's superman's high estimate best speed feat, CONFIRMED!

lol

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As its name implies. "Vs battle". It does infact contain every record of characters so that they can judge whether which will win, so it is highly reliable as my source of information comes from that site.

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@maestromage: What the fk is aimdodging, right ? Lmao mach 7700 Daredevil is actually hilarious.

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Castlevania Dracula has universal striking strength... I'm dead

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It's not accurate whatsoever.