If you had to pick. Which is worse? Nazism or Communism?

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Poll If you had to pick. Which is worse? Nazism or Communism? (75 votes)

Nazism 68%
Communism 32%

Regardless of what society, the public, media, pop culture, education system etc tell you

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Nazis.

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The fact that communism has killed more people doesn't mean it is, on it's own, a worse ideology than Nazism. It means the groups administering their brand of communism were more successful in committing atrocities.

You're comparing a nunber of different countries to just one, and another big difference is that Nazism was crushed in WW2, while there was no full-scale war to stop the communists. They more or less ran rampant for extended periods of time, and China is a clear example (even though it's become more state capitalist than purely communist). To compare the death toll caused by Nazi Germany to Communist China or Soviet Russia would be creating a false equivalency. I think it's safe to say that if the Nazis had won, A LOT more people would be killed than under the communists given Nazi doctrine explicitly involves wiping out entire races.

Had Nazism won WW2 I think it is safe to conclude that it would have killed more than the 20 million total it did kill. What Ifs can be fun to speculate about and I am looking forward to Disney+ What If series. Reality trumps imaginary scenarios that never happened. In the real world communism has killed way, way, way more people. It is not a false equivalency to count the dead from Nazism and the dead from communism. Its actually a relatively accurate measure.

To claim that the mass death totals, quite often dominated by death counts of communist countries' own citizens, are from people who didn't apply communism in the right way is just silly. Even if a communist country didn't apply communism "perfectly", whatever the hell that means, it is logical that those countries closer to the communist ideal are more communist than those who applied fewer principles. You would expect that they would therefore be richer and have killed less. However, the opposite is true. Communism makes countries mass killing machines and poorer. Compare North Korea to South Korea. Certainly North Korea is applying more communist principles. It should be thriving more than South Korea if communism worked and a much more humane and just place to live - if you believe what communists tell you. Is that the case? Honest people would tell you no that is not the case. Cambodia is certainly more communist than Japan and therefore should be more prosperous, but that isn't true either. If communism allegedly only works if you do everything the right way, and no one has been able to do it the right way, then communism is a failure that has impoverished millions of people globally and killed at least 100 million in the 20th century. That's not a what-if, that's reality.

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Hard question.

Both have literal real world horror stories.

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#55  Edited By Kewis42

Ah, the neverending debate. Thing is the ideologies are not "set in stone" per say. Otto Strasser's "National Socialism" aka Nazism was very different from Hitler's. He hated Hitler's cruelty, and simply wanted a stable Europe. He even refers to every race as "equal in the eyes of God" in Germany Tomorrow, written in 1940 and hoped the German people would turn and create a revolution against Hitler. He wanted to be an ally with the Soviets early on but critized Hitler's pact with Stalin later as he saw the latter as an extremist totalitarian.

Now communism is similar, the ideology is not "set in stone". The USSR was built into a superpower but at what cost? I was borderline communist at one point, now I want to go back in time and slap myself for denying the Holodomor (terror famine orchestrated by Stalin.) Taking the lives of millions in a year, possibly the deadliest genocide ever ochestrated by humanity, yes, even worse than the Holocaust by most measures.

HOWEVER "communism" itself doesn't mean the genocide of Ukranians, and in Strasser's case (and many SA members who were either murdered or deported) National Socialism doesn't mean the genocide of Jews or Slavics. Otto Strasser even called Eastern Slavics as indispesable for European culture.

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Nazism