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#1 Posted by GodEmperor123 (628 posts) - - Show Bio

for some reason, guns and gunpowder never exist.

what happens to the world and the timeline?

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#2 Posted by ImpurestCheese (12542 posts) - - Show Bio

@godemperor123: The Crossbow and Longbow would be the main ranged weapons in warfare, and the pike and sabre would be viable combat weapons due to cavalry not becoming outdates, at least until the discovery and widespread use of cordite and nitro-glycerine. European Colonial Expansion would likely be less then what it was, although still widespread. America would likely not be an independent nation until later, since firearms gave the 'rebels' an almost equal footing with the British Army.

War itself would continue, and would likely be more of a meat grinder than it actually is at current.

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#3 Posted by GodEmperor123 (628 posts) - - Show Bio

cool, thanks for the interesting reply

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#5 Posted by OPmailer (48 posts) - - Show Bio

an alchemist comes up with another mix that's all

what happens to the world and the timeline?

After a while humans, they would find another chemical mixture, magnesium flash powder, bicarbonate tetraoxide and water, potassium perchlorate iron aluminum oxide etc etc gunpowder was the easier to create, the ingredients are simple for its relative Flash Boom Bangs....other explosives are a little more complicated to manufacture...I think gunpowder is basically a mix of 3 compounds sea salt, sulfur, and black charcoal = gunpowered BoOOOoom!

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#6 Posted by mrmonster (5013 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, wars would be a lot less deadly. Crossbows can't kill as easily as guns, not even muskets.

The Transatlantic slave trade might not have been as profitable; Europeans often exchanged guns for slaves in West Africa. However, we could have just as easily traded beer, cloth or iron, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

I guess in this world, science itself has grinded to a halt. I really can't picture a world where we have things like telephones and computers but have never invented something as simple as gunpowder. So yeah, this would have to be a world is which science is centuries behind what it is now.

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#7 Posted by mimisalome (3509 posts) - - Show Bio

Warfare has been the greatest motivator of innovation, invention, and technological advancements. So a revolutionary weapon not being invented would probably set our technology back a few generations behind if people dont see any necessity to innovate more that what is currently effective.

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#8 Posted by Wolfrazer (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

Knights would still be a thing.

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#9 Posted by King Saturn (221542 posts) - - Show Bio

Lots Of People Would Be Getting Stabbed To Death Or Shot With Crossbows. I Think Eventually Though Someone Would Create Something To The Effect Of Gunpowder Even If It's Not Invented.

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#10 Posted by SeaGod (2685 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone is forgetting the most important fact. There would be no fireworks

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#11 Posted by morleericks (10716 posts) - - Show Bio

No school shootings.

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#13 Posted by willpayton (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

People would just have developed new weapons based on other technologies. You'd have rockets, compressed-air weapons, and probably many things we dont even have now.

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#14 Posted by mrmonster (5013 posts) - - Show Bio

People would just have developed new weapons based on other technologies. You'd have rockets, compressed-air weapons, and probably many things we dont even have now.

Rockets used gun powder until World War 1.

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#15 Posted by Jucaslucasa (8447 posts) - - Show Bio

Railguns for everyone.

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#16 Posted by willpayton (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:

People would just have developed new weapons based on other technologies. You'd have rockets, compressed-air weapons, and probably many things we dont even have now.

Rockets used gun powder until World War 1.

True, but there are many other propellants around. My point is that if there had not been gunpowder, eventually some other propellant would have been used for the same purpose.

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#17 Posted by Lunacyde (26633 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be impossible to know. We are talking about a major altering of the timeline, it would be impossible to account for all of the differences and the complexity of what that change would mean.

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#18 Posted by TVC-15 (4586 posts) - - Show Bio

Would the nuke still end up being made?

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#19 Posted by Clamps (392 posts) - - Show Bio

We use slingshots.

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#20 Posted by RDClip (2792 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, feudalism (or at least the strict class system) may still exist. Guns kind of democratized warfare. It is much easier to train someone to use a gun than it is to train someone to use a sword. Lack of guns necessitated a class of elite warriors (knights, samurai, etc) who were trained to make war and peasants were only pulled into war when the local lord needed levies to make up pike formations or loose arrow volleys.

I do believe we would have advanced technologically. Steam engines would probably eventually come as the Greeks knew about the concept over two thousand years ago. Whose to say that advanced machines wouldn't also eventually be invented and electricity discovered?

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#21 Posted by willpayton (19767 posts) - - Show Bio

@tvc-15 said:

Would the nuke still end up being made?

Eventually, sure. But, like @lunacyde points out, not having gun powder would have been a major change to world history. So, something like nuclear bombs, which were developed much more than 1,000 years later,... who knows. They could be developed sooner, or later, but eventually it'd happen because humans would eventually understand the science behind nuclear energy. I mean, unless we somehow destroyed ourselves in that new timeline.

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#22 Posted by OPmailer (48 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:

It would be impossible to know. We are talking about a major altering of the timeline, it would be impossible to account for all of the differences and the complexity of what that change would mean.

Birth of Steampunk timeline?

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#23 Posted by Lunacyde (26633 posts) - - Show Bio
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#24 Posted by Hypnos0929 (4941 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think it'd be possible to stop the production of gunpowder

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#25 Posted by All-Father (3082 posts) - - Show Bio

Use Long Bows, Cross Bows etc.

War won't stop even if you take away gunpowder from the Equation.

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#26 Posted by FitnessTribesman13 (1431 posts) - - Show Bio

Sun Children (Native Americans) would've had a somewhat easier time dealing with those pesky European invaders and conquerors, although smallpox would've still taken place, so it might not end too well for Sun Children but with some extra survivors. The same for Africans, Australian Aboriginees, etc...

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#27 Posted by kgb725 (15164 posts) - - Show Bio

@opmailer said:
@lunacyde said:

It would be impossible to know. We are talking about a major altering of the timeline, it would be impossible to account for all of the differences and the complexity of what that change would mean.

Birth of Steampunk timeline?

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https://youtu.be/SHoNWwhzh3M

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#28 Posted by Kairan1979 (22687 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's not be naive and believe that the replacement for gunpowder and firearms will never be found.

I remember the short story in the genre of alternate history, where Manhannan Project never happened. The alternate project started - and the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki contained deadly viruses.

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#29 Posted by batkevin74 (14577 posts) - - Show Bio

The age of steam would come earlier

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#30 Posted by Khael (14417 posts) - - Show Bio

No thanks.

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#31 Posted by HandyJayJr (2521 posts) - - Show Bio

Sun Children (Native Americans) would've had a somewhat easier time dealing with those pesky European invaders and conquerors, although smallpox would've still taken place, so it might not end too well for Sun Children but with some extra survivors. The same for Africans, Australian Aboriginees, etc...

Yeah disease did about 90% of the work for the Europeans, if not for that the natives would have kicked the shit of 'em even with their guns.

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#32 Posted by Thekillerklok (6520 posts) - - Show Bio

Ramming tanks.

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#33 Posted by GIliad_ (5493 posts) - - Show Bio

We'd find another way to kill each other

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#34 Posted by Noone1996 (6094 posts) - - Show Bio

We'd probably just use lasers.

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#35 Posted by _Gaff_ (5023 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this not the plot of "Into the bad lands" ?

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#36 Posted by Infinitias (388 posts) - - Show Bio

100's of thousands if not millions managed to die in the Christian Crusades and that was before man had access to cannons/guns. However if you compare the casaulties of the Crusades to the casaulties of the WW2 length wise, WW2 lasted a few years, the Crusades lasted nearly 200 years so i would say gunpowder definitely has increased the pace of killing in war.

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#37 Posted by lukehero (33775 posts) - - Show Bio

This would be an interesting TV Show...what if humans never invented gun powered and electricity....

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#38 Posted by Prossor_Kobras (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

@seagod said:

Everyone is forgetting the most important fact. There would be no fireworks

Plus no rockets, as the whole concept of rockets came from fireworks... Thus no missiles or torpedoes... No Moon landing...

Those are just basic... There'd be no such concept as the old west shootout or other forms of gun battles, and all kinds of fictional media would be different.

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#39 Posted by Cable_Extreme (14088 posts) - - Show Bio

Well it would mean that Sulfur, Charcoal, and potassium nitrate doesn't exist.

We would just use other explosive mixtures to achieve the same thing.

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#40 Posted by FitnessTribesman13 (1431 posts) - - Show Bio

@handyjayjr: I would think so as well. I recall hearing and reading on the indigenous American cultures who geared themselves in body armor that was damn near bulletproof prior to European contact. Then there was one indigenous culture in Alaska where body armor was innovated to withstand gunfire following European contact. This was when the culture finally discovered how to search for metal or simply collected metallic items from the Europeans, such as coins and crafted them into body armor.