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Poll Francis Ngannou vs Chimpanzee (35 votes)

Francis Ngannou 63%
The enraged chimp 37%
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FRANCIS NGANNOU VS. CHIMP FULL O' RAGE

Ngannou is just the way he's in the photo shown, no UFC gloves for that matter....

Chimp's from a zoo but he's , let's say, a crazy mofo...

Anyways, no-holds-barred fight in the streets, so if there's a stone or anything laying around that can be used as an weapon, Ngannou will use it... Fight's not taking place in a ring as well...

Also, it's easy to say "cHiMps rIP teSTIcLES" but if in adrenaline triggered by an life-or-death situation, humans will fight dirty in the same way, humans can rip testicles and poke eyes as well, and I guarantee that coming from Ngannou is way worse than coming from any average Joe who yes, the chimp can easily tear apart, but I think it's debatable and that Ngannou has an pretty good chance (why not) of destroying the chimp...

Any other opinions???

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Nganou sends chimp to sleep

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The chimp will probably win. The fangs are vicious. If he bites Francis with that a lot of blood is going to flow. But in the end it's going to depend on the environment, Ngannou with stones will be the winner.

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I will go with the chimp. A lot of factors to look at though, including average weight of chimp (100lbs), Ngannou’s weight (265lbs+), the strength advantage of the chimp, etc. I think the fight might be closer than one might think as not too long ago, scientist believed chimps were anywhere from 2.5-5x stronger than humans. However, I think recent data indicates chimps are closer to 1.5x stronger. So the chimp will have an advantage in pulling, pushing, grasping, and likely speed/reaction time. For all of Ngannou’s training, I can’t see him prepared for an enraged chimp and the chaos that will ensue.

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If it was a Gorilla, then it would be a stomp. But since it's just a Chimp, Francis wins

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If that chimp bites ngannou its wraps, every other scenario ngannou KO's or sleeps the chimp.

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@magmacha said:

If that chimp bites ngannou its wraps, every other scenario ngannou KO's or sleeps the chimp.

Or tries pulling his limbs off.

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I will go with the chimp. A lot of factors to look at though, including average weight of chimp (100lbs), Ngannou’s weight (265lbs+), the strength advantage of the chimp, etc. I think the fight might be closer than one might think as not too long ago, scientist believed chimps were anywhere from 2.5-5x stronger than humans. However, I think recent data indicates chimps are closer to 1.5x stronger. So the chimp will have an advantage in pulling, pushing, grasping, and likely speed/reaction time. For all of Ngannou’s training, I can’t see him prepared for an enraged chimp and the chaos that will ensue.

You don't think Ngannou is a bit more than 1.5 times stronger than the average human?

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@mortein said:
@jwillis12 said:

I will go with the chimp. A lot of factors to look at though, including average weight of chimp (100lbs), Ngannou’s weight (265lbs+), the strength advantage of the chimp, etc. I think the fight might be closer than one might think as not too long ago, scientist believed chimps were anywhere from 2.5-5x stronger than humans. However, I think recent data indicates chimps are closer to 1.5x stronger. So the chimp will have an advantage in pulling, pushing, grasping, and likely speed/reaction time. For all of Ngannou’s training, I can’t see him prepared for an enraged chimp and the chaos that will ensue.

You don't think Ngannou is a bit more than 1.5 times stronger than the average human?

Lmao chimps can benchpress over 1000 lbs i think.

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#9  Edited By azrael1973

Ngannou might have a chance at winning but he would never agree to fight a chimpanzee for all the money in the world. One bite ripping off his flesh and muscles and his career is over.

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@mortein said:

You don't think Ngannou is a bit more than 1.5 times stronger than the average human?

Lmao chimps can benchpress over 1000 lbs i think.

have you seen them do it?

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@benjibatts: I mean based on ngannou's strength the chimp would struggle unless it used its teeth to tear his arm off.

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@mortein said:
@benjibatts said:
@mortein said:

You don't think Ngannou is a bit more than 1.5 times stronger than the average human?

Lmao chimps can benchpress over 1000 lbs i think.

have you seen them do it?

No, but there's been multiple reports of it happening.

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@magmacha said:

If that chimp bites ngannou its wraps, every other scenario ngannou KO's or sleeps the chimp.

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@gangorca said:
@magmacha said:

If that chimp bites ngannou its wraps, every other scenario ngannou KO's or sleeps the chimp.

Ever heard about the chimp who ripped a womans face/hands off?

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@benjibatts: Ngannou could take on 20 copies of this women and still win. you're acting as if ngannou is anywhere close to being a normal human strength wise. which is why i still stand with the teeth being a huge wincon for the chimp.

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#16  Edited By jwillis12

@benjibatts: there was a 1x only random display of strength in which a chimp pulled approximately 1100lbs. No chimp has actually bench-pressed 1000lbs, let alone have scientist been able to get chimp to bench press anything as far as I know. Ngannou is basically a large, peak athletes, so yes he is stronger than the average human. That + training allows him to throw, and it’s been measured, some of the hardest punches in the world. However, he is still limited by his physiology. In certain areas, yes I agree he is 1.5 stronger than an average human. However, we are putting him against a physically superior mammal that, despite having a significant weight disadvantage, has higher functional strength and speed in almost all aspects. I doubt Ngannou is going to land a clean punch, or kick, against an enraged animal that has no set pattern of attack.

Edit: in regards to bench pressing, the 1000lbs you mentioned is based on the the theory that “party A is this strong, so they can likely bench X times their body weight.” Again, the actual strength, compared to a human, of a chimp has been debated and changed over time. The one thing that is agreed upon, based on extensive research, is that 67% of chimp muscle fibers are fast-twitch. This is greater than humans. Therefore, chimp will have more explosive/dynamic movements (sprinter vs marathon runner, for example).

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Chimps aren't that much stronger than the average human lol

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#18  Edited By azrael1973
@benjibatts said:
@gangorca said:
@magmacha said:

If that chimp bites ngannou its wraps, every other scenario ngannou KO's or sleeps the chimp.

Ever heard about the chimp who ripped a womans face/hands off?

"He ripped her apart! Hurry up! Hurry up! Please!” Herold breathlessly replies. “He—he ripped her face off! He's eating her face!'

“Gun! They got to shoot him! Please! Please! Hurry! Hurry! Please! I can’t. I can’t … He’s eating her! He’s eating her! Please! God! Please! Where are they? Where are they?”

The witness said that. https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/crazed-pet-chimp-wails-rips-24088031

When a crazy chimp rips Ngannous face off and starts to eat it, his muslces won't help anymore. I don't think he trained his face muscles. A chimps fingers are strong enough to rip off a humans face with ease.

https://zooologist.com/how-strong-is-a-chimpanzee/

Chimpanzee Grip Strength

  • The estimated grip strength of adult chimpanzees is 200 kg (441 lbs), according to the Asahiyama Zoo of Japan.
  • Other sources describe it as 330 kg (727 lbs).

The average hand grip strength of a male human is 36 kg. The world record is at 104 kg. So a chimp has double to triple the handgrip strength of the strongest human.These guys are made to climb all day.

No imagine he is going to squeeze your arm, leg, fingers or your face. That's serious Damage!

Their arm strength is nothing special although. they are not strikers.

'If attacked by someone, a gorilla would kill immediately while a chimpanzee would first mutilate.'

If Ngannou makes a single mistake, the chimp might mutilate him.

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#19  Edited By Eredin12

Francis hits like a small car, he gives Chimp Rem treatment. He is not an old woman. Even just strength-wise, he pretty casually lifts 150 kg, heavy person:

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FRANCIS NGANNOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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And keep in mind a chimp should be weaker than miocic.

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@eredin12 said:

Francis hits like a small car, he gives Chimp Rem treatment. He is not an old woman. Even just strength-wise, he pretty casually lifts 150 kg, heavy person:

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He's 170 kg right now.

Lifting a 45 kg animal and slamming it on the concrete over and over again, should not be impossible for Francis.

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And keep in mind a chimp should be weaker than miocic.

Are you serious?

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@benjibatts: Yes, a chimp is weaker than Miocic. Miocic >>> any chimp on earth as well, and look what Ngannou did to the poor guy! Honestly either bloodlusted Miocic or Ngannou would kick the chimp ass.

LMFAO the "99 forum posts dude with no photo" questioning me about this right now as if he was even RIGHT!. So what, what you gonna do,

Considering that Ngannou does this to other gigantic dudes who would murder the chimp's ass as well? With gloves and on an ring... without gloves and in cement, the chimp's totally done for.

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You wanna back that up?

Back off, boy.

Chimps are pathetic and can barely kill an fake leopard while on group!!! Search on YT if you think I'm lying.

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#25  Edited By BenjiBatts
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@benjibatts: Yes, a chimp is weaker than Miocic. Miocic >>> any chimp on earth as well, and look what Ngannou did to the poor guy! Honestly either bloodlusted Miocic or Ngannou would kick the chimp ass.

LMFAO the "99 forum posts dude with no photo" questioning me about this right now as if he was even RIGHT!. So what, what you gonna do,

Considering that Ngannou does this to other gigantic dudes who would murder the chimp's ass as well? With gloves and on an ring... without gloves and in cement, the chimp's totally done for.

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You wanna back that up?

Back off, boy.

Chimps are pathetic and can barely kill an fake leopard while on group!!! Search on YT if you think I'm lying.

Stop being toxic for no reason. You're an opinionated dumbass.

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@phoenixblue: scientific data has proven that chimps are stronger than humans, and have a higher percentage of fast-twitch muscle fibers. Even outliers, like Miocic, are not stronger than a chimp. Also, what exactly do you mean by “stronger?” Can Miocic throw a harder punch and kick? Yes, as he’s likely thrown 1000s upon 1000s in his life due to training, while chimpanzees do not train. However, as stated in an earlier post, it’s insane to believe any fighter will land a clean punch or kick on a chimp. If you are referring to weight-lifting, the fact that Miocic, for example, can bench 450lbs means absolutely nothing. Isolated muscle workouts will not play a part in this fight. The strength that matters, functional strength, is clearly in the chimps favor not only as evidenced by their grip and pulling feats, but also the very composition (as I noted) of their body (which is also capable of more dynamic/explosive movements).

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@benjibatts:

Are you wearing a diaper, McLovin? Because you barely came to this site and you must look like McLovin in real life. You must have that type of face of someone who believes everything he reads on the internet's legit. Oh of course, if it's on internet it's not a lie right!!! Calling me a dumbass on the internet is easy, do it in real life and I would get you in an hearse or an ambulance. Back to the debate, though >>>

I have gifs, and other types of concrete evidence to support my status. I say Ngannou knocks out or is strong enough to knock someone out: I demonstrate GIF of that. I've already demonstrated 2 gifs of him almost murdering Miocic and Overeem: Miocic and Overeem would destroy a chimpanzee to a pool of blood. They could do this with their bare hands, LOL. You all, chimpanzee hairy balls masturbators, say that chimpanzees do this and that, but they are just empty words thrown around. No kind of evidence, not even a single photo to prove that you really prove what you talk about. The difference is that I debate showing evidence and you debate showing assumptions.

You have barely learned how to put an photo on your profile, much less arguing. ^

You're betting on an much smaller ape, built like an dwarf, against an dude who is built like an goddamn fucking Moai Statue (Francis Ngannou, UFC champ). Be real. A chimp has thicker brow bone making it tougher around the face, I'm well-aware of that, but its USELESS the moment the cranium is around 3 times less thickness than that of a adult. Average adult still, keep in mind. When you put a professional fighter into the table as a card, this Poker game changes. Professional fighter can exert upwards of 1300 Lbs of force in a punch. More than enough to cause significant damage and the weight difference will certainly matter too especially if you consider a large kick which believe it or not can do significantly more blunt damage than the chimp can achieve.

A large chimp IS NOT stronger than a large male when it comes to absolute strength. Chimps are around 35% stronger than your AVERAGE adult male Lb to Lbs. This was proven in a study that showed the strongest chimp in the study could pull approximately 487lbs (Boma the chimpanzee from a NY Zoo) whereas a 145 and 190 lb male could pull 487 - 525lbs and these people were anything special. There are some people who debunked this study already. The chimp is still an animal, WAY LESS SMARTER than ANY HUMAN, and considering how close they are to us, they share the same critical points. Do you ever stopped to reflect about it or no, non-photo dude? Yes there necks are strong and almost hidden but that doesn't mean a powerful kick from an MMA fighter that can break a femur wouldn't do any kind of significant damage to them or a goddamn punch from Francis Ngannou, someome who hits harder than an jackhammer. In fact if they got that lucky kick in such a critical area it would do just as much harm as to a normal adult. They aren't super animals, chimps aren't super simians, that title I would give to the silverback gorilla. Still overrated though, and wouldn't ENTERTAIN a fight with a tiger, lion or bear.

Chimps are not JUGGERNAUT from MARVEL COMICS. Get it? They can be winded, they can be concussed, they can have broken bones, and succumb to the same injuries and be effected by injuries that can have a negative effect on their mobility. And put negative on that. In no way am i saying its going to be easy but its entirely plausible for a fighter to hold their ground, winning it in the end. The chimp can try to go anyway; Ngannou lands one punch and it's a concussion already, aaand the environment put by the OP can play a huge role in the outcome and will largely depend on whether the chimp skull will resist 2 major hardcore things: Ngannou's punch and then landing on hard raw cement floor right after.

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#29  Edited By Phoenixblue

@jwillis12:

Sure man but where's the evidence? Where's the evidence bro?

Ngannou does with the chimp what Hulk did to Loki.

"Scientific data" who has taken debunks more than 50 times. This 1947 study is older than my dad and my mom put together. Seriously an 1947 study? Nah, bro. I already know what study you're talking about. I came from years of experiences of animal debates and in each chimp thread they use that, it seems people don't get tired of in 2022 using an study from 1947. 1947. By now, Francis has the record for having the strongest recorded punch. He also is capable of powerful kicks. I'd argue he hits harder than prime Tyson, who would manhandle the chimp if he wanted too. He, Nganno, has a record of 19 fights with 16 wins and 3 loses. If I'm not mistaken, the last time I've seen it. Also, dude has an 90% rate of knockouts in his fight. 90% RATE!!! Ngannou have Punches that can decapitate someone. He can kick and send a person's leg to the emergence as well.

Although humans don't have canines sharps like Chimpanzees, we are still able to do alot of damage with our teeth as well. In 2012, a man in Miami got his eyes and nose ripped off by a cannibal. The attack Rudy Eugene perpetrated on Ronald Poppo. Allegedly, Eugene was on bath salts. I won't put the pic here because it's too graphic and I don't know if the mods will allow it here. We are also capable of biting fingers off like what happened to a woman who got in a bad fight in Houston and lost 50% of her finger. WON'T put the pic here again because it has the same amount of gore. K, I don't want to shock y'all really, just show that chimps are SHIT to Francis freaking Ngannou. Dude's a freak of a nature.

Judging from what we see above, we can conclude that a professional fighter like Francis Ngannous has the significant height and weight advantage with him being a little over 2 times heavier and a foot or two taller than the average chimpanzee. But the Chimpanzee has an advantage in pain tolerance and fighting style because of it's extremely dangerous fangs. Martial Arts were created by humans to fight other humans, not wild animals. I understand that. But if the fighter is significantly bigger than the average chimp like Francis Nganno, he might be able to pull out a win. Putting the chimp in a chokehold would be a horrible idea because that would leave him vulnerable to being mauled. The much heavier fighter can use his much heavier weight to collapse on the chimp and start thr6a series of punches and kicks to the sensitive areas of the chimp.

There is already a video where a man is in a “fight” with a muzzled chimpanzee and the man uses his height and weight as an advantage. The chimp then jumps high as an motherfrokker then kicks him in the face and he falls and the fight ends. An totally unprepared man who Ngannou would oneshot. He lost the fight. Like I said pointless because Ngannou can kill him and the chimp with his eyes closed. If the much heavier fighter is like Francis Nganno and is fighting against a smaller chimpanzee, then he would win 9/10. If the chimp tries to do the same thing with Ngannou, Ngannou grabs his legs and slams it on the floor á la Hulk and Loki style.

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Chimpanzees are overrated and humans are underrated when it comes to physical strength but a human can actually beat a chimp

For a long time scientists have thought that chimps were 4‐6× stronger than humans but new studies compared their muscles density and composition with humans and found out that the average male chimp is only around 1.5‐2× stronger than the average male human and a professional fighter would be around 1.5× stronger than the average and the fighter also has trained for fights, he might not have trained for fights quite like this but if he fights smart he'd most probably beat a chimpanzee.

There have actually been cases of people killing leopards and cougars bare handed.

Short answer: Yes, a professional fighter can beat a chimpanzee is 1v1 fight without tools.

end of da conversation.

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People here arguing about K.O, do they even know how much is needed to K.O a chimp? Also, they using the ''hit a like a Car'' bullshit, there's already a debunk on reddit that Francis can't hit strong like that, but he is still strong.

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Francis sends the chimp's head into deep space like he did overeem lol

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@phoenixblue: I actually agree with your first point about inaccurate findings/data: if you look at one of my earlier posts, I explained how it was inaccurately assumed that chimps were up to 5x stronger than humans in certain aspects. The more recent studies have shown that the figure is closer to 1.5x. In regards to the fast-twitch muscle fibers, that is a recent study, I believe from 2017. The grasping and pulling strength measurements were recent as well, all backed up by scientific method. Ngannou is a monster of a man, I agree. However, if I had to place my money on him or the chimp, I would go with the chimp. Especially as this is not a controlled environment.

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@el_directo_: And keep in mind Overeem in his prime, I wouldn't face him for NO MONEY. Me myself I did Muay-Thai for 3 years but it's just elite striking level. Ngannou made short work of this guy...

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But some people here, it seems, they are still having the mindset that Ngannou is an fragile 50-yr-old-woman with absolutely no martial arts training and capability.

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#35  Edited By InfiniteMass

@jwillis12: I think there are multiple things you are missing, Chimps, despite having fast twitch muscle fibers, are unable to dodge blows from a trained fighter.

They also have no answer for ground game as well, strength can only get you so far, and does make up for a lack of speed.

But I think the biggest issue here is intelligence, the instances of chimpanzees fighting humans and killing them were not in situations where the humans were looking for a fight or wanting to harm the animal. Ngannou knows what he's getting into, and has the advantage of technique, size, weight, combat speed, and intelligence.

No way is a chimp beating a trained mma fighter whose ready to throw hands, let alone one of the best.

A regular person sure, but even regular humans have fought and killed deadlier animals with their bare hands with adrenaline alone.

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@jwillis12: Ha, I see, but just let it go, man.

Humans are almost always bigger and taller than chimps, making any strength difference negligible if not human favored towards humans when talking about fit male humans, especially soldiers or MMA fighters. Whenever I see a thread, "Navy Seal vs chimpanzee", or "Chimpanzee vs MMA fighter", my thought is that always the wrong misconception of chimpanzees is being carried on too often.

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This is an 90 kg man next to an full grown chimp, Taipan from Carnivora made it for me. See the difference? chimps aren't even THAT big. Now you can't even say "but this 90kg man is heavy but does he know how to fight? no," but Ngannou knows, see, that's the difference, he's larger and an MMA FIGHTER!!! an champion. if he hits the chimp like he's hitting people in these gifs I swear NO chimp is ever surviviving unless it's Caesar from Planet of the Apes.

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The most famous and oft cited chimp attack when it comes to ferocity was on an old woman who didn't expect her friend's pet to violently attack her.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

The difference between a chimp attacking an unsuspecting old lady, verses a chimp attacking a fit human male that is expecting the attack, is so stark in contrast that it can't even begin to be exaggerated. Yes, chimps fight dirty. Yes, chimps are ferocious and will go for testicles, eyes, etc.

This does nothing to stop someone like an MMA fighter from using their vastly superior human tactical capability and fighting experience to literally manhandle the chimp. The most EGREGIOUS case of this I've personally seen is someone saying that a chimp would maul a bloodlusted Mike Tyson which is absolutely laughable.

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A fit human man slightly in the stronger side of average could repeatedly slam a chimp into the ground again and again if adrenaline was pumping. Little fuckers couldn’t take that.

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@jwillis12: Ha, I see, but just let it go, man.

Humans are almost always bigger and taller than chimps, making any strength difference negligible if not human favored towards humans when talking about fit male humans, especially soldiers or MMA fighters. Whenever I see a thread, "Navy Seal vs chimpanzee", or "Chimpanzee vs MMA fighter", my thought is that always the wrong misconception of chimpanzees is being carried on too often.

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This is an 90 kg man next to an full grown chimp, Taipan from Carnivora made it for me. See the difference? chimps aren't even THAT big. Now you can't even say "but this 90kg man is heavy but does he know how to fight? no," but Ngannou knows, see, that's the difference, he's larger and an MMA FIGHTER!!! an champion. if he hits the chimp like he's hitting people in these gifs I swear NO chimp is ever surviviving unless it's Caesar from Planet of the Apes.

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The most famous and oft cited chimp attack when it comes to ferocity was on an old woman who didn't expect her friend's pet to violently attack her.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

The difference between a chimp attacking an unsuspecting old lady, verses a chimp attacking a fit human male that is expecting the attack, is so stark in contrast that it can't even begin to be exaggerated. Yes, chimps fight dirty. Yes, chimps are ferocious and will go for testicles, eyes, etc.

This does nothing to stop someone like an MMA fighter from using their vastly superior human tactical capability and fighting experience to literally manhandle the chimp. The most EGREGIOUS case of this I've personally seen is someone saying that a chimp would maul a bloodlusted Mike Tyson which is absolutely laughable.

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A fit human man slightly in the stronger side of average could repeatedly slam a chimp into the ground again and again if adrenaline was pumping. Little fuckers couldn’t take that.

It's probably you misconception of a wild animal. You are comparing a trained but domesticated primate (homo sapiens is one) to a wild one which has actual natural weapons like fangs. There is no evidence that a punch to a head of a chimp will actual do a lot of damage. They are different from us and your gifs mean pretty much nothing. You are probably just one of the fools who underestimate wild animals and get mauled by one.

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Chimp would tear your face off before you could throw a kick or punch. Like an animal would give 2 shit's about tactical stuff like takedown defense against an MMA fighter LMFAO

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@overbeck: Knowing how to fight is always an advantage, whether the chimp gives an apeshit of his isn't really important since it'll be something he's never had to fight against in the wild. The strength gap difference between a chimp and a physically fit male would be negligible or in the human's favour... Also humans can fight dirty and in a situation when something is going to die that it's instincts kick in... Humans can and will fight dirty too, wake up to reality.

You speak with such irony and contempt, for your ignorance and lack of intelligence, and they say I am "toxic". I'M TOXIC WITH WHO I NEED TO BE, AND KIND WITH WHO I NEED TO BE.

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@azrael1973: To talk of my evidence, you have to provide yours first. Where are yours? You're nothing but an insignificant rat who just climbed out of an trash can (or of maybe an sewer) and is trying to walk amongst the giant humans and be noted, but still doesn't perceive that no human is ever giving a sh*t about you and someone will probably stomp you in matter of seconds, ROTFL, you then finally dying. My gifs proves 2 things: that Ngannou can fight, and apply his force for real on the real world, instead of wildly mindlessly swinging arms around like chimps do, and the fact that he knocked and almost killed another trained people who could give any chimp on this world a run for its goddamn money, for example mainly Stipe Miocic and Alistair Overeem, all of them previous UFC Champions. Do you finally understood it or do you want me to draw it, insignificant rat? Another loser with no photo that can barely write a paragraph thinking they can f*ck with me, K. Show me a gif, video, pic or anything of a chimp killing a gorilla, of a chimp killing a leopard, of a chimp killing a MMA Fighter who accidentally got lost in the woods... bullshit. Chimp remnants were found on leopards feces! Ngannou, who I'm siding with on this thread, has the strongest punch recorded on the planet ever since he was a Ufc Champion. Your chimps, by the other side, did what? Nothing right? Except to throw their poops on the faces of others or to attack the elder. SMH, Ngannou could kill that 50s or 60s old lady with a fart and way more worse than Travis did. The fighters (Stipe, Overeem, Miocic, Tyson, Ngannou) win every round pretty easily. They're much better suited to fighting and killing, being physically trained peak human fighters, and they're much larger. Ngannou's right hand is already larger than the whole chimp's head. I'd take the average UFC fighter over 5 chimps, or a chimp with human intelligence. You don't want to see all these dudes who were previous champs, then. Honestly Francis Ngannou vs a Leopard would probably be a better fight.

Fighters or SEALs against chimps they win every time, and why would you think the chimp would bite or scratch Ngannou first before getting their simian cranium slammed on concrete/or cement thus acquiring hard and potential dangerous concussion forever, if not instantly dying? And you, rat with leptospirosis, you are the type to underestimate a MMA Fighter or a Navy Seal until a Fighter or a Seal completely knocks your lights out if things even escalated quickly. When your head bounces heavily against cement, concrete or a brick floor after the knockout, you will only survive in a miracle. Get ready for a x-ray with your bones all broken.

Chimps are not 5 times, or 10 times or even 15 times stronger than humans, that is a known debunked myth, it spawned from a fake zoo story in the 20th century.

Secondly Chimps may look tough when they beat up old ladies like that one known story, but they've never been in a position where they tried to attack an MMA fighter. There is a video where a chimp goes on a rampage on a terrified, fleeing park ranger and it barely was able to pull the guy down. In fact the chimp looked weak as fuck and I would see an MMA fighter tear that ape a new one.

Essentially the only thing dangerous about chimps are it's teeth. If you all want to hang this debate around here now, it's fine, but I'm just here to warn the chimp'll lose again. :)

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Here's the video. Does this look like an animal that's a jizzilion times stronger than humans? Does anybody have real, scientific studies showing this strength discrepancy? Not the BS story about a female chimp pulling 1000000lbs with one finger please. Boma, like I said, was older than my dad, my mom put together and she must of already be in Heaven by now. Rest in peace, Ngannou would still kick her ass fair and square.

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@phoenixblue: I have no doubts that ngannou can beat anyone of comic vine in a fight, including me, you, and OP but this is a chimp with bestiality, look how wide this chimp opens his mouth and his row of sharp teeth, all this combined can take chunks of human flesh.....................

I've been mauled by a pitbull. I much rather fight an MMA guy than go through that again.

Ok, your points. About the video: yes, it looks like an animal that is considerably stronger than a man. Also, it would take a team of specialists to know if the chimp was being playful, aggressive, and so on. There would never be a consensus on the chimps intentions, as that is a huge question for anyone studying behaviour. The video is meaningless, but shows a dangerous animal, like all wild animals. Do not forget: we are prey, we make tools, use the tools.

The thing is: what is scientifically available answered questions that puzzled scientists, not fighting enthusiasts. For example, researchers wanted to understand if apes could build tools, communicate and so on. So, we know that most apes have the vocal cords very low in the throat.

What is scientifically well-documented, you can search at your own leisure, is that the innervation of non-human apes muscles is different from us. We have a lot more nerve terminals to make better use of coordinated fine motions, whereas other apes have coarser innervation, which makes it impossible for them to perform fine movement. The have muscles adapted to climbing at great speeds, extreme grip and so on.

But chimps do not violate a rule of muscle strength: the muscle cross section determines the force. It happens that at lower body masses, apes have larger muscle cross sections for most relevant muscles, which is how people have poorly estimated these "2X, 5X, 1000X" stronger, that I agree with you, are all wrong. But they have thicker more powerful muscles than us that have large innervation areas: and this is their natural state, without supplemental nutrition, training and so on.

The idea of a fight between a human and an animal is a misunderstanding. We have developed martial arts as a way to defend and attack other humans. Animals have completely different behaviours and intentions. For example, animals do "fight" for mating privileges, but they would never apply that ritual against a human. They can attack to kill and eat. There is no amount of martial arts and strength that can defend a human against a top predator (big cats and so on) triggered to kill. From the ape world, if they attacked a human, it would be defensive or territorial: these kinds of attacks can stop at any moment and so on. But there is no human who could defend himself against a Gorilla. A chimp is debatable: they can be shy, and quickly get scared of a larger creature, so I agree with you that a large human can overpower a chimp. On the other hand, I do not advise any human to try this because the chimp can cause unspeakable harm to the human.

I hope I made myself clear.

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@overbeck: First of all, no, never. No, we most certainly are not. We are apex predators. Prey animals tend to have lower intelligence than predatory animals. We're predators, the only difference with us compared to other predators is that we use our intelligence and the tools we were able to create with it much more than our raw physical bodies. But make no mistake, we are top of the food chain predators. Prey animals would never rule the world like we do. Human beings have always been predators with the ability to create tools. Chimps are also predators that can use tools, but cannot make them like we can. We evolved to have more brain and less brawn than our ape common ancestors. That doesn't make us prey, it simply makes us a different type of predator.

Now you, and the other 2 dudes without even holy profile photos are just in denial because you guys don't want your images of sUPERhuman CHImps lIKE CAPtain AMErica to be proven wrong. I have outdebated any chimp supporter on this thread by now. Just concede already instead of taking more shame. Anybody including experts would look at that tape and see a Chimp going 100% in trying to overpower and man handle that man, and it was a pathetic display at best considering that average human wasn't fighting back, on the contrary he did everything he could(not literally) to make the Chimp look impressive and it still failed. That video, completely debunks all the herculean myths involvings chimpanzees. The dude comfortably went, and jumped in a river. "Geronimooo!" his arms were still intact, his eyes as well, and his testicles as well. Where are the chimps with the strength of Captain America you and your friends always likes to so much portrays?! Try to go against Ngannou in this thread, and fails miserably since I'm here.

Put a lethal human being in there instead and that chimp gets destroyed. By "lethal", I mean an human being with an peak physique and practicioner of martial arts. Exactly what Ngannou, Tyson, Overeem, Miocic are for that matter. A chimp vs. any of those 4 gentlemen I mentioned, gets Thrown around by a bigger, stronger more skilled creature, smashed in the head at will, concussions, broken bones, hemorrhage, head trauma, you name it.

X times stronger than humans my pubic hairs. Lol. I'd like to see proof of chimps having skulls that aren't prone to blunt force trauma causing KO's. If they have 99% of similarity with us then the same rule applies by here. Don't say it doesn't. Because it does. Also, how is the chimp gonna beat my squadron of fighters please? Teeth, yes, I know they have dangerous bites. But what else is it going to do? What else is the short, weak legged midget who is 3 to 4 feet tall and less than 200lbs going to do exactly, with its uncoordinated flailing arms? Against dudes who hit as hard as earthquakes and are all heavyweights? You'll have to try harder than that! You and your friends that got crumbled to piece by me.

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@overbeck: First of all, no, never. No, we most certainly are not. We are apex predators. Prey animals tend to have lower intelligence than predatory animals. We're predators, the only difference with us compared to other predators is that we use our intelligence and the tools we were able to create with it much more than our raw physical bodies. But make no mistake, we are top of the food chain predators. Prey animals would never rule the world like we do. Human beings have always been predators with the ability to create tools. Chimps are also predators that can use tools, but cannot make them like we can. We evolved to have more brain and less brawn than our ape common ancestors. That doesn't make us prey, it simply makes us a different type of predator.

Now you, and the other 2 dudes without even holy profile photos are just in denial because you guys don't want your images of sUPERhuman CHImps lIKE CAPtain AMErica to be proven wrong. I have outdebated any chimp supporter on this thread by now. Just concede already instead of taking more shame. Anybody including experts would look at that tape and see a Chimp going 100% in trying to overpower and man handle that man, and it was a pathetic display at best considering that average human wasn't fighting back, on the contrary he did everything he could(not literally) to make the Chimp look impressive and it still failed. That video, completely debunks all the herculean myths involvings chimpanzees. The dude comfortably went, and jumped in a river. "Geronimooo!" his arms were still intact, his eyes as well, and his testicles as well. Where are the chimps with the strength of Captain America you and your friends always likes to so much portrays?! Try to go against Ngannou in this thread, and fails miserably since I'm here.

Put a lethal human being in there instead and that chimp gets destroyed. By "lethal", I mean an human being with an peak physique and practicioner of martial arts. Exactly what Ngannou, Tyson, Overeem, Miocic are for that matter. A chimp vs. any of those 4 gentlemen I mentioned, gets Thrown around by a bigger, stronger more skilled creature, smashed in the head at will, concussions, broken bones, hemorrhage, head trauma, you name it.

X times stronger than humans my pubic hairs. Lol. I'd like to see proof of chimps having skulls that aren't prone to blunt force trauma causing KO's. If they have 99% of similarity with us then the same rule applies by here. Don't say it doesn't. Because it does. Also, how is the chimp gonna beat my squadron of fighters please? Teeth, yes, I know they have dangerous bites. But what else is it going to do? What else is the short, weak legged midget who is 3 to 4 feet tall and less than 200lbs going to do exactly, with its uncoordinated flailing arms? Against dudes who hit as hard as earthquakes and are all heavyweights? You'll have to try harder than that! You and your friends that got crumbled to piece by me.

LOL at you being a apex predator and you haven't outdebated anyone. HAHAHA

An delusional Martial Arts fan who is hoing to be banned anyway, nothing more. What a joke.

I don't even need to block you , because you gone anyway.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a5609/chimpanzee-attack-0409/

As St. James confronted the chimp, the six-two former running back turned to find a second chimp—also a male, this one older and bigger—bearing down on him as well. With both hands, he pushed the bigger animal. Both chimps pounced. One of the animals grabbed him in a bear hug before chomping into the bone above his right eyebrow. He then stuck his finger in St. James's right eye, gouging it out. The same animal clamped his teeth onto St. James's nose, biting it off, as the other chimp chewed away at St. James's fingers. In the melee, one of the chimps dug in his claws and ripped the skin off the right side of St. James's face, causing it to flop over and cover his left eye, temporarily blinding him. One of the primates sunk his teeth into St. James's skull. He then closed his jaws on St. James's mouth, ripping off his lips and most of his teeth. St. James tried to put one of his hands down the animal's throat, but the chimp just kept chewing on it and chewing on it, and he couldn't get it out.

St. James fell to the ground, no longer able to defend himself, and for at least five minutes, the mauling continued as he lay helpless. One of the chimps gnawed on his buttocks and bit off his genitals. They ravaged his left foot, leaving it shredded. Blood poured from his body, and LaDonna was screaming. It looked as if they were eating him alive. Finally, LaDonna's screams drew the owners' son-in-law, Mark Carruthers, who came running armed with a .45-caliber revolver. After struggling to find a clean shot, he opened fire on the younger primate. The shot had no apparent effect,and Carruthers raced back to his house, a few dozen yards away, to reload with more-powerful ammunition. When Carruthers returned, he focused on the older male, the prime aggressor. Kneeling down, he shot him once in the head from close range. As the animal fell to the ground, the younger chimp began dragging St. James's mutilated body down a hill leading away from Moe's cage. Dirt filled St. James's lungs and seeped into his bloody openings.

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Despite the ferocity of the attack, when the paramedics arrived, St. James was still conscious. His face and body, however, were mutilated beyond recognition. Where his mouth, lips, and nose had been there was only a bloody hole. Where his right eye had been there was a pit. Where his fingers had been he had only stumps or simply gaps. "I had no idea a chimpanzee was capable of doing that to a human," Kern County fire captain Curt Merrell, who was among the first on the scene, told the Los Angeles Times. "It looked like a grizzly-bear attack."

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I disagree with being unable to dodge blows from a trained fighter. Yes, Ngannou has years of training and is currently the best heavyweight on the planet in MMA. Which likely means he can take out any light heavyweight, middleweight, welterweight, and so on.

This has nothing to do with dodging blows, the reason why dodging from a trained fighter is so hard is because of faints and foot movement, something a chimp has no way to process.

Size does make a difference: I admit this and know this personally as I wrestled collegiate At 149lbs. During practice, I would not pair off with any heavyweights due to risk of injury. However, we would joke around and go half speed after/before practice and no amount of skill difference could compensate for the size disadvantage. However, that is human vs human, with set patterns/goals in mind. Just like Ngannou would likely destroy 99.999999999% of the human population in a street fight.

The reason he would beat most people is because of his strength and skill in a street fight with no rules.

However, we are talking about a completely different species in which none of us have trained to fight.

And?

Like I have stated, people have fought off attacks and killed bigger and deadlier animals, black bears, lions ect.

And those are humans who are typically attacked out of the blue, with very little chance to survive.

Can Ngannou beat a chimp? Yes, it is possible. Do I think it likely? No. Getting back to dodging blows from a trained fighter, the chimp is a completely different size, has completely different movements, and no set pattern.

Chimps don't regularly fight humans, just as a chimps way of fighting is foreign to humans, our way of fighting is just as foreign to them. On top of that we have the ability of intelligence, where we can use distance, dirt in the eyes, using rocks and performing straight body slams.

Essentially the fight is pure chaos

Like every street fight, or fight with drunk people. Just because it's chaos doesn't mean the person trained in fighting is at a disadvantage.

it’s not some macho guy thinking he is tough and attempting to trade blows with Ngannou

No, it's an animal attempting to take his life, a human is extremely resilient in those situations, more so a person who fights for a living. Adrenaline is one hell of an advantage.

As for the ground game, I don’t think that would be the best idea. That would put you in the chimp’s grasp and biting range.

The Chimp would attempt to put itself in bitting range, which is the perfect opportunity to takes it's back and put it to sleep. With the shape of it's head, it would be at much more of a disadvantage in rear choke.

Looking at it from a purely wrestling standpoint

Which is a problem, why would you only wrestle a Chimp, your best offense would be Judo and BBJ if you need to take it to the ground. Judo ensures you use his momentum against him, with BBJ helping you get a good hold on vital parts, especially since you have no problem with breaking them.

I can’t even begin to fathom how I would take a chimp down if that is my goal

Which is part of the problem, you cannot see how someone would do something because you are limiting your view. Chimps aren't nearly strong enough to beat an average man, yet he is supposed to beat a high level athlete?

a double leg or single leg is out of the question: plenty of wrestlers have shattered their kneecap

Again you shouldn't use wrestling on a chimp, and you don't need to either, the way a chimp would fight you would more than likely end up on the ground any way.

I guess with Ngannou’s size, he can attempt to just slam the chimp down and immediately attempt to get on top, but then he runs into the aforementioned issues.

Why would you get on top?

He has his mouth and hands to grab you, get to his back and choke him out, why would you ever lose the chance to grab the back.

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There is no evidence that a punch to a head of a chimp will actual do a lot of damage.

WTH are you talking about? Chimps hit each other with rocks because they can get brain damage, they are just as susceptible to physical damage like any animal on the planet.

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@phoenixblue: just want to say, Gokhan Saki was the man! Heard he signed with Glory recently, can’t wait to see him back in the ring! You are the first person on this site that I’ve seen use a pic/gif of him.

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@azrael1973:

There is no evidence that a punch to a head of a chimp will actual do a lot of damage.

WTH are you talking about? Chimps hit each other with rocks because they can get brain damage, they are just as susceptible to physical damage like any animal on the planet.

WTH are you talking about? You understand that most animals have smaller brains and thicker skulls than we have and are not that easy to knock out as we are? Chimps can survive a lot higher falls than we do.

Humans have become smarter but we have become physically more vulnerable as well. Just having a fur and fangs already helps a lot. Yes we are apex predators, but that's because we learned how to use a spear and not because we decided to fight beast unarmed as some people here believe.

Only idiots will treat a chimp just as a smaller human on not the wild animal that the are. Being closely related in DMA or not. Some fights between human martial artist prove nothing, because there are still rules which prevent permanent damage. A chimp fight unfair, savage and with the goal to maim as seen in every chimp attack. They have enough grip strength to crush finger, ripping of the face, genitals and the throat and will just start to eat.