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#101 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't. He's kind of a dolt, but he's not as bad as CNN claims.

Quote a claim that CNN made about him.

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@noone301994:

So, I guess you agree with him, but most of the sites I've seen have said that such a statistic is false, and not only that, but the "Crime Statistics Bureau from San Francisco" that he sites in his tweet allegedly does not exist. For example, this site references the FBI and pretty much says that everything said there was just racist bullshit. But even still, sending me a link doesn't really help me understand anyone's side on this.

I disagree with him and his phony stats. However, white people are still more likely to be attacked by black people than vice versa:

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I just lazily threw the link at you because I've been really busy lately and I didn't have time to write an explanation out.

If Trump actually said that...which, clearly he must have, then I can't understand how he thinks he's going to get the black vote or hispanic vote considering stuff like this. I mean, for Christ's sake, did anyone see the tweet? Do people really not see why it might seem a tad bit racist in intent? I mean, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a black guy why I see this a little differently than white people do, and I don't think that I have much of a bias, but do people really not understand what's wrong with that tweet or.....? I mean, am I being sensitive if I actually have a problem with this tweet? It would be one thing if it were true, but literally every site that I've seen (even ones that aren't left) pretty much say that it's BS.

He probably just got bad information. It happens.

One quick thing, though. I've noticed that a lot of the sites that you link to and follow tend to be a bit...right-wing in terms of views, and I've generally noticed that right-wing sites tend to not be very minority friendly (after reading the comments from a few pages, my suspicions seem to be confirmed)......this coming from a person that isn't even left-leaning, so can you help me out a bit on these questions?

I suppose you will find more anti-minority people on the right than on the left (because more minorities are on the left), but you could also say that you'd find more anti-white people on the left than on the right (because more white people are on the right).

I mean, tbh, I didn't really feel one way or another about Trump before this, but now.....I'm really questioning him, his popularity, and the kind of people that he attracts...

I really don't think he's racist. Are a lot of his followers questionable? That's a different story. The only thing I'm worried about with him is his willingness to do whatever it takes to fight terrorists. I don't want another trillion+ dollar war or the government spying on us or taking our liberties to find them.

EDIT: if I come across as rude, just know that I apologize and it's not directed at you. It's just that this has unsettled me because it's like I've been living underneath a rock for the past few months.....I mean, I knew many of his followers were incredibly racist and bigoted after reading their justification for why they supported him, but I just wasn't too sure. But now, after seeing his actions and comments in racial matters and re-examining his followers, I'm beginning to have my doubts, ya know? It just kinda makes me wonder the type of people that support him. I know that a lot of people that like him are anti-PC, and I honestly hate PC, too, but a lot of his followers are really......well, racially controversial, in light terms.

No need to apologize. You didn't come off as rude at all. I can understand the confusion though. That seems to be what is shown, yeah. But he's leading the polls and I highly doubt there are THAT many racists out there. Sure there might be some (or even a good amount of them that are), but I wouldn't say that a majority are. Take a look at this link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/politics/black-religious-leaders-donald-trump-endorsement/

For the record, Trump is like my 3rd or 4th choice. Rand Paul ftw.

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#103 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio
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#104 Posted by Naamah_Obyzouth (7471 posts) - - Show Bio

B.S.

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#105 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike him as a serious candidate for perhaps the most important job in the world for the following reasons:

  • He's insulting, basically if you aren't white rich male and/or smart, like him, chances are good you've appeared on Trumps list of woes thats plaguing America one time or another; which at the very least brings me to the next item on the list:
  • He's divisive, he recently claimed to be a unifier, but I just dont think he is capable of sitting down and have any kind of reasonable discussion with another world leader he can't bully into submission without being seen as a joke. But his divisiveness is also something he is doing now:
  • Fear; the GOP establishment, with good reason, is dreading that Trump will win the nomination as their candidate, partly because they don't appear to be able to control him, and partly because they can also see the damage he is doing to their reputation. Like the GOP has traditionally found favor amongst Latino's and other kinds of immigrants... and where are they going to go if Trump as a presidential candidate wont stop insulting, demonizing and belittle them as theives and loafers? Same is true of other potential voter groups who aren't white christians. Also he seems to be on a roll by riling up his supporters getting them all good and angry against largely non-existent enemies... which is pretty scary because history is littered with terrible examples of where that can lead.
  • Motormouth; Trump talks alot, and he talks loudly... but quite often it just appears there hasn't been much thought behind whats coming out of him. Take the infamous Mexican wall as an example, sounds great when it's coming out... but you realize it's virtually impossible to actually do, too much wall to build, too expensive and not one good reason Mexico would help you. Same is true of his idea of deporting the 11 million illegal immigrants, sounds good at speeches... but just remember what kind of people also liked to mass-deport people they didn't like.
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#106 Posted by DarthAznable (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

He's an idiot.

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#107 Edited by Nerise (920 posts) - - Show Bio

People hate Trump because hes a sociopath

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#108 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio
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#110 Edited by LondonBFR (413 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a typical white cisgendered straight male. With all the makings and views of one.

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#111 Posted by cpt_nice (9874 posts) - - Show Bio

@nerise said:

People hate Trump because hes a sociopath

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#112 Posted by EdBlank (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

@edblank Thoughts on the tweet?

Flat out false. Whoever wrote the "info"graphic is trying to rile people up.

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#113 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: The part that implies that he's a lying racist idiot who is going to divide the nation between races and cause some sort of race or religion war. When I said "he's not as bad as CNN claims" I just thought of a random biased left-wing news station that bashes him for their agenda. They act like he's the next Hitler or something and that Hillary is our only hope. Give me a break...

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#114 Posted by Keenko (5186 posts) - - Show Bio

@edblank:

1.) That post was before that.

2.) I dunno the context at all, but I doubt Trump is the first, or last, politician to ever say anything incorrect. Not really a defense but I am saying that using a faulty study as justifaction doesn't immediately invalidate him.

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#115 Posted by EdBlank (1480 posts) - - Show Bio

@keenko said:

@edblank:

1.) That post was before that.

2.) I dunno the context at all, but I doubt Trump is the first, or last, politician to ever say anything incorrect. Not really a defense but I am saying that using a faulty study as justifaction doesn't immediately invalidate him.

How do I know enough to just look at the numbers and know they are false, then?

A 15 second Google Fu session would have cleared it up for him, He should have people to do this type of thing for him.

If he would have been tweeting about the temperature in Mesa AZ on a certain day or something innocuous, then by all means: fire from the hip. Something that will get one group even more riled up to abuse people should not be treated so sloppily.

But hey. It's almost not even a conversation with people who make up their own facts. The point of conversing would be to relate objective reality to one another in an effort to determine what is real and what is right. If one side refuses to use facts then what are we even conversing about.

You tell me that I am blocking your driveway and ask me to please move, and I tell you that no one actually owns any driveways. You show me the receipt and I tell you it's a fake. No matter what you say I just refute it or respond with gibberish. I say "well I'm no realtor, how do I know who owns what?" Would you continue to try to communicate?

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#116 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: The part that implies that he's a lying racist idiot who is going to divide the nation between races and cause some sort of race or religion war. When I said "he's not as bad as CNN claims" I just thought of a random biased left-wing news station that bashes him for their agenda. They act like he's the next Hitler or something and that Hillary is our only hope. Give me a break...

Implies? You said claims. What claims were untrue in that article?

The article didnt "imply" that he's lying, it flat out says that he's lying. It even gives examples to prove that he's a liar. What evidence do you have that those cases are not true?

As far as "who is going to divide the nation", this was the authors stated "fear" and not a claim. But even if it was, where's your evidence that this wont happen? How do you know what will or wont happen in the future?

Where does it say anything about Hitler? Where does it say anything about Hillary being "our only hope"?

It appears that you're getting upset because people are calling Trump out on his bullshit, and somehow that offends you. Why is that?

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#117 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994 said:

@willpayton: The part that implies that he's a lying racist idiot who is going to divide the nation between races and cause some sort of race or religion war. When I said "he's not as bad as CNN claims" I just thought of a random biased left-wing news station that bashes him for their agenda. They act like he's the next Hitler or something and that Hillary is our only hope. Give me a break...

Implies? You said claims. What claims were untrue in that article?

The article didnt "imply" that he's lying, it flat out says that he's lying. It even gives examples to prove that he's a liar. What evidence do you have that those cases are not true?

As far as "who is going to divide the nation", this was the authors stated "fear" and not a claim. But even if it was, where's your evidence that this wont happen? How do you know what will or wont happen in the future?

Where does it say anything about Hitler? Where does it say anything about Hillary being "our only hope"?

It appears that you're getting upset because people are calling Trump out on his bullshit, and somehow that offends you. Why is that?

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/03/cnns-sally-kohn-calls-trump-fascist.html He gets called Hitler all the time, here is one from last week.

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#118 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio
@sophia89 said:
@willpayton said:
@noone301994 said:

@willpayton: The part that implies that he's a lying racist idiot who is going to divide the nation between races and cause some sort of race or religion war. When I said "he's not as bad as CNN claims" I just thought of a random biased left-wing news station that bashes him for their agenda. They act like he's the next Hitler or something and that Hillary is our only hope. Give me a break...

Implies? You said claims. What claims were untrue in that article?

The article didnt "imply" that he's lying, it flat out says that he's lying. It even gives examples to prove that he's a liar. What evidence do you have that those cases are not true?

As far as "who is going to divide the nation", this was the authors stated "fear" and not a claim. But even if it was, where's your evidence that this wont happen? How do you know what will or wont happen in the future?

Where does it say anything about Hitler? Where does it say anything about Hillary being "our only hope"?

It appears that you're getting upset because people are calling Trump out on his bullshit, and somehow that offends you. Why is that?

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/03/cnns-sally-kohn-calls-trump-fascist.html He gets called Hitler all the time, here is one from last week.

I just read that article, and it's clear that Sally Kohn never called Trump Hitler.

I guess Trump is not the only one here that has trouble with the truth.

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#119 Edited by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994

I disagree with him and his phony stats. However, white people are still more likely to be attacked by black people than vice versa:

Hey, just asking, but what conclusion do you draw from that? It's one thing to state facts, but usually people have a conclusion that they draw from facts that are not explicitly stated (in other words, humans draw our own conclusions).

I ask because, usually when people bring up stats like that, they usually the rightwing people from sites like AmericanThinker that use it in support of an argument that black people are violent, savage animals and criminals, which is nothing more than racism and bigotry by any sane person's definition. I HIGHLY doubt that you are one of those people, but I'm still gonna ask anyway, is that close to what you believe? (if the answer is yes, it's no big deal. Racism is not a crime)

Btw, I found an article (related to the tweet) that cite the FBI again that claim otheriwse (that most white people would be killed by other white people, and most black people are killed by other blacks).

He probably just got bad information. It happens.

I don't know, to be honest. As I said, I didn't really care much about him before this (to be honest, I didn't really hear much about him in the past few months), but I just find his intentions a bit questionable because usually the people that believe and support such myths are the same people that support the notion that blacks are violent and make up false statistics in order to incite fear and feed into bigoted notions (here's looking at you, Bill O' Reilly and Fox News). I mean, the very stereotype that I am talking about is an image included with the tweet. In other words, it's nothing more than anti-black propaganda, and I'm not sure if Trump believes it. I mean, truthfully, as I said, I don't know Trump's intentions or beliefs, and I kinda have my doubts much like you, but at the same time, I can't be naive or in denial, either.

I suppose you will find more anti-minority people on the right than on the left (because more minorities are on the left), but you could also say that you'd find more anti-white people on the left than on the right (because more white people are on the right).

Are most people on the right like this? I mean, you're a guy that's on the right, and I don't think you are bigoted, but are most people on the right anti-minority? I really hope not. I mean, a lot of conservative sites that I've visited seem to support that notion, but I just don't believe that racism is a large part of the right. As you said, there are racists in both parties of different colors, but I just don't believe that it's that common in the right (or, at least, I hope not).

I really don't think he's racist. Are a lot of his followers questionable? That's a different story. The only thing I'm worried about with him is his willingness to do whatever it takes to fight terrorists. I don't want another trillion+ dollar war or the government spying on us or taking our liberties to find them.

Yeah, bro. To be honest, I definitely don't support Trump, but I don't support Hilary, either. (I don't know shit about Sanders other than he is socialist, but I heard that socialism was kinda bad). I don't really understand why Paul or Cruz isn't farther ahead, but it is what it is, I guess. :(

No need to apologize. You didn't come off as rude at all. I can understand the confusion though. That seems to be what is shown, yeah. But he's leading the polls and I highly doubt there are THAT many racists out there. Sure there might be some (or even a good amount of them that are), but I wouldn't say that a majority are. Take a look at this link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/politics/black-religious-leaders-donald-trump-endorsement/

Thank you for the understanding, man. :)

I think I agree that I don't think most people that support him are racist. By the way, regarding that article you posted, it seems like some of the people that attended that meeting didn't agree to his rhetoric about black people, while some were supportive of it. I wish I could find what he said. However, out of the 100 that went, only a few really supported him, and that may not look that good. That doesn't mean he's racist, of course, it just casts a bit of doubt.

I mean, all of this is because of a blacklivesmatters protester that interrupted his rally (I can understand the anger), but then he tweets that racist myth. I guess I just gotta wait and see what else he says. In my eyes, he's a damn idiot, but I truly don't know what he believes...Some things he does says he is a racist, and some things he does says otherwise.

EDIT: Perhaps there is context to that tweet? I mean, maybe what he was trying to refute was the notion that cops are the main killers of black people. I mean, that's what I read somewhere. If that's true, then the tweet is still racist, but it was more than likely just bad information like you said (cops still don't kill most black people btw).

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#120 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: Just asking, but what are your views on Trump?

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#121 Posted by Twentyfive (3057 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that he is doing so well in the polls is reflective upon the intelligence of the collective conservative consciousness. I'm pretty sure the man has people who literally scour Yahoo! forums, and regurgitates whatever nonsense they say back at the rest of the people who tune in to the news.

I am almost wholly sure he's just here to make sure a democrat wins the next election... something that makes me like him a little bit though, in an ironic sense.

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#122 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: Just asking, but what are your views on Trump?

I think that he knows that saying the most outrageous things will continue getting him publicity, and that's what he really wants. To him more publicity = more money. He doesnt care if he's president or not. Actually, I really doubt he wants to be President.

He just knows that he can say whatever stupid thing he wants and the hard-core Republicans will eat it up.

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#123 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: Just asking, but do you think that Trump is a racist or not really?

To be frank, it's clear that he's taking this shit for a ride, and I think some people are really foolish in trusting him, but as you said, they are generally the hard-core republicans.

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#124 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: Just asking, but do you think that Trump is a racist or not really?

To be frank, it's clear that he's taking this shit for a ride, and I think some people are really foolish in trusting him, but as you said, they are generally the hard-core republicans.

I dont think he is, or at least I dont think he's a hard-core racist like many of his supporters are. He just knows that taking stupid positions like that we'll build a wall across the border and ship out 11 million immigrants in 18 months will gain him support from the people that matter right now... Republican primary voters. And, as has been shown, those are the stupidest, more racist, and least educated people in the U.S.

The problem here is that he started with all this crazy shit, and somehow these people just supported him more and more. So, from his point of view, why stop? Why not just crank it up? More publicity equals more money, more notoriety, etc. Even if he stops now, he'll be able to leverage this into TV shows, books, and speaking engagements for the rest of his life if he wants to.

Trump is not the idiot here, the idiots are his supporters who fail to see that he's a clown who's pushing a bunch of stupid ideas. It's Idiocracy come true.

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#125 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: You know, your rationale actually makes a lot of sense to me.

I really hope his hype dies down, because I can't see him becoming president anymore than me seeing Kanye become president.

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#126 Posted by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: You know, your rationale actually makes a lot of sense to me.

I really hope his hype dies down, because I can't see him becoming president anymore than me seeing Kanye become president.

I'm not worried, if anything him being the Republican candidate will mean that a Democrat gets elected.

The problem is that these Republican candidates that do well in the primaries cant get enough support in the general election to win. Also, with someone like Trump, he's too volatile. He's like a walking live grenade... could go off at any time and blow up the party with him. And... they all know it, which is why it's doubtful he'll actually be the candidate. His own party knows he's a loser in the general election.

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#127 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (11547 posts) - - Show Bio

Because he's incompetent on political issues, egotistical, and rude.

And this is coming from a conservative Republican.

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@willpayton: The part that implies that he's a lying racist idiot who is going to divide the nation between races and cause some sort of race or religion war. When I said "he's not as bad as CNN claims" I just thought of a random biased left-wing news station that bashes him for their agenda. They act like he's the next Hitler or something and that Hillary is our only hope. Give me a break...

Implies? You said claims. What claims were untrue in that article?

Fine, you want to play Mr. Technicality? How about when they claim that he's racist? That he is going to make racial animus mainstream? Even you admit you don't believe he's racist. Can you look me in the eye and tell me you don't think the majority of CNN shares your view?

The article didnt "imply" that he's lying, it flat out says that he's lying. It even gives examples to prove that he's a liar. What evidence do you have that those cases are not true?

If I tell you it's 5:00 when it's actually 5:02 does that make me a liar? If I make a mistake with facts that makes me a liar?

As far as "who is going to divide the nation", this was the authors stated "fear" and not a claim. But even if it was, where's your evidence that this wont happen? How do you know what will or wont happen in the future?

Where's your evidence that this will happen? Where's the author's evidence that it could happen? See what I did there?

Where does it say anything about Hitler?

I meant that they are criticizing him as if... You know what? Nevermind.

Where does it say anything about Hillary being "our only hope"?

"Even though some say Hillary Clinton would benefit if you were to be the GOP nominee, for the good of the country I want you to get out of the race." I'm sorry, that statement implies that the author is a Clinton supporter, I forgot that implying isn't good enough in your eyes.

It appears that you're getting upset because people are calling Trump out on his bullshit, and somehow that offends you. Why is that?

Umm no? He's just not as bad as they make him out to be. Do they not act like he's a radical moronic racist? You can just tell in the tone of all of these left-wing articles about him what they really think about him. Oops, sorry. There I go implying again. It doesn't explicitly state in exact words that they don't like him, so I guess that means there is no proof of that claim? Who knew?

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#129 Posted by echostarlord117 (5577 posts) - - Show Bio

Meh, hating him is silly in my opinion.

He's just very ignorant, stubborn, annoying, and simply flat-out wrong on many issues. Of all the Republican candidates, he's definitely the worst.

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#130 Edited by Lunacyde (28109 posts) - - Show Bio

He has no idea what he's talking about.

That said I don't hate him, I just hate the idea of him as president.

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#131 Posted by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

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Hey, just asking, but what conclusion do you draw from that? It's one thing to state facts, but usually people have a conclusion that they draw from facts that are not explicitly stated (in other words, humans draw our own conclusions). I ask because, usually when people bring up stats like that, they usually the rightwing people from sites like AmericanThinker that use it in support of an argument that black people are violent, savage animals and criminals, which is nothing more than racism and bigotry by any sane person's definition. I HIGHLY doubt that you are one of those people, but I'm still gonna ask anyway, is that close to what you believe? (if the answer is yes, it's no big deal. Racism is not a crime) Btw, I found an article (related to the tweet) that cite the FBI again that claim otheriwse (that most white people would be killed by other white people, and most black people are killed by other blacks).

I heard someone say it once and I thought it was untrue and then I looked it up and found that link that I sent you. Recent Department of Justice statistics prove that it's true. The article doesn't really prove anything (no links, just claims). Even that other one you showed was kind of weird too because when I clicked on the link that was supposed to take me to FBI statistics that actually backed up what they were saying it just sent me here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014.

"In 2014" is what I clicked on and it just sent me to FBI.gov.

They didn't even link the FBI stats properly.

I don't know, to be honest. As I said, I didn't really care much about him before this (to be honest, I didn't really hear much about him in the past few months), but I just find his intentions a bit questionable because usually the people that believe and support such myths are the same people that support the notion that blacks are violent and make up false statistics in order to incite fear and feed into bigoted notions (here's looking at you, Bill O' Reilly and Fox News). I mean, the very stereotype that I am talking about is an image included with the tweet. In other words, it's nothing more than anti-black propaganda, and I'm not sure if Trump believes it. I mean, truthfully, as I said, I don't know Trump's intentions or beliefs, and I kinda have my doubts much like you, but at the same time, I can't be naive or in denial, either.

I can understand your point of view.

Are most people on the right like this? I mean, you're a guy that's on the right, and I don't think you are bigoted, but are most people on the right anti-minority? I really hope not. I mean, a lot of conservative sites that I've visited seem to support that notion, but I just don't believe that racism is a large part of the right. As you said, there are racists in both parties of different colors, but I just don't believe that it's that common in the right (or, at least, I hope not).

Not most of them, but my point is there are definitely more anti-minorities on the right than on the left.

Yeah, bro. To be honest, I definitely don't support Trump, but I don't support Hilary, either. (I don't know shit about Sanders other than he is socialist, but I heard that socialism was kinda bad). I don't really understand why Paul or Cruz isn't farther ahead, but it is what it is, I guess. :(

Well for Bernie they say it would cost about 18 trillion dollars to pay for everything he is promising so he's basically just saying what everybody wants to hear. I agree... I wish Paul or Cruz were leading... They could actually turn this country around... :/

Thank you for the understanding, man. :) I think I agree that I don't think most people that support him are racist. By the way, regarding that article you posted, it seems like some of the people that attended that meeting didn't agree to his rhetoric about black people, while some were supportive of it. I wish I could find what he said. However, out of the 100 that went, only a few really supported him, and that may not look that good. That doesn't mean he's racist, of course, it just casts a bit of doubt.

No problem, and yeah I just posted that article to show that he's not racist and that there are minorities that actually support him out there.

I mean, all of this is because of a blacklivesmatters protester that interrupted his rally (I can understand the anger), but then he tweets that racist myth. I guess I just gotta wait and see what else he says. In my eyes, he's a damn idiot, but I truly don't know what he believes...Some things he does says he is a racist, and some things he does says otherwise.

Yeah I guess we'll just wait and see, but that tweet was stupid. I agree.

EDIT: Perhaps there is context to that tweet? I mean, maybe what he was trying to refute was the notion that cops are the main killers of black people. I mean, that's what I read somewhere. If that's true, then the tweet is still racist, but it was more than likely just bad information like you said (cops still don't kill most black people btw).

Maybe, I have no clue. Idk man. I'm not sure if believing in the tweet is racist... The creator of the image probably is, but mistakenly believing in it doesn't really make you racist in my opinion. But of course, that implies that he didn't create it.

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#133 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994

I heard someone say it once and I thought it was untrue and then I looked it up and found that link that I sent you. Recent Department of Justice statistics prove that it's true. The article doesn't really prove anything (no links, just claims). Even that other one you showed was kind of weird too because when I clicked on the link that was supposed to take me to FBI statistics that actually backed up what they were saying it just sent me here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014.

Yeah, it's not working for me, either. Still though, what conclusion do you draw from it? Does it affect your perception of the minority group in particular?

Not most of them, but my point is there are definitely more anti-minorities on the right than on the left.

True

Well for Bernie they say it would cost about 18 trillion dollars to pay for everything he is promising so he's basically just saying what everybody wants to hear. I agree... I wish Paul or Cruz were leading... They could actually turn this country around... :/

I hear Bernie wants to pass a legislation to make marijuana legal, and a lot of young people like that. In fact, I think Bernie might appeal more to the younger crowd.

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#134 Edited by Noone301994 (22169 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83 said:

@noone301994

Yeah, it's not working for me, either. Still though, what conclusion do you draw from it? Does it affect your perception of the minority group in particular?

To be honest, it makes me think that African-Americans might be more susceptible to committing crimes, but that could just be due to socioeconomic status, not race. Maybe most of them had rough upbringings? I don't know. But that's assuming that these stats are correct.

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Yeah, but on the left you get more anti-whites, so the racism disparity between parties isn't exactly huge.

I hear Bernie wants to pass a legislation to make marijuana legal, and a lot of young people like that. In fact, I think Bernie might appeal more to the younger crowd.

I'm not surprised and yeah he's definitely got the college kids loving him for sure... Do you agree with legalization? I honestly don't care one way or another. If anything it'd stop prison overcrowding and help the economy. Plus, the drug itself is said to be less detrimental to health than alcohol.

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#135 Edited by stumpy49er (2333 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't hate him. I just would never vote for him. Then again, I'm a Democrat so I wouldn't vote for any of the Republican candidates. The only ones I would even consider would be Kasich or maybe Paul but honestly, I wouldn't.

Bernie is my guy. Then Hilary.

I also don't think Trump's the worst candidate. That honor would go to Ted Cruz.

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#136 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (12493 posts) - - Show Bio

Why would people hate Trump????

He's saint! He's our saviour!!!!

STUMP4TRUMP!!!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!1

~MiB

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#137 Edited by willpayton (22080 posts) - - Show Bio

People hate Trump for many reasons. One reason is that he appears to be a pathological liar.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Of the 72 statements that Trump has made that Politifact has looked at, only 7% have been "mostly true" and 0% are entirely "true".

93% of his statements are at least half false.

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#139 Posted by Jacthripper (14895 posts) - - Show Bio

He's running the best televised campaign since Ronald Reagan, and the Establishment still wants Jeb Bush.

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#140 Edited by darthdeadpool (1278 posts) - - Show Bio

they have small weenies

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#141 Edited by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

People hate Trump for many reasons. One reason is that he appears to be a pathological liar.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Of the 72 statements that Trump has made that Politifact has looked at, only 7% have been "mostly true" and 0% are entirely "true".

93% of his statements are at least half false.

Trump saying Obama wants refugees in America=pants on fire.

Hillary saying the Libyan people had 2 free elections=half true.

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#142 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton: @sophia89:Also lol, They did this one too

Cruz: The government will pass laws to make boys and girls shower together(Transgender rights)=Pants on fire.

Hillary: Cruz voted to ban contraception 5 times=Mostly false.

This site is obviously biased.

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#143 Posted by darthdeadpool (1278 posts) - - Show Bio

politico is a propaganda mill

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#144 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow the one with Obama is one of the funniest things ever.

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#145 Posted by Xaos (1126 posts) - - Show Bio

People hate him because he doesn't bend over for SJWs and Political Correctness like Bernie Sanders and Killary.

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#146 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994:

Yeah, but on the left you get more anti-whites, so the racism disparity between parties isn't exactly huge.

No disagreements

I'm not surprised and yeah he's definitely got the college kids loving him for sure... Do you agree with legalization? I honestly don't care one way or another. If anything it'd stop prison overcrowding and help the economy. Plus, the drug itself is said to be less detrimental to health than alcohol.

To be honest, I don't think I care one way or the other for legalization of marijuana. You do make a great case, though.

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#147 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994:

Not most of them, but my point is there are definitely more anti-minorities on the right than on the left.

O_o

I think the side that treats me equally is more acceptable of me, than the side that thinks I'm not on the same level as a white person therefore anything I do is not my fault rather it's somehow the white person's fault.

Just look at how they treat wahabists.

If you mean the shepole then both sides have their racists and bigots, but the left is much more racist than the right by a big gap.

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#148 Posted by cameron83 (8548 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89: Just asking, but what's a wahabist?

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#149 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89: Just asking, but what's a wahabist?

A fake version of Islam that every terrorists follows, it's the one that says killing yourself to kill infidels is a direct path to heaven.

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#150 Posted by 98115 (1748 posts) - - Show Bio

He's pretty much the negatjve American stereotype. Arrogant, elitist, racist, and has his head up his ass.