I'd like to hear from some supporters or neutrals on Trump. This circle jerk that's going on is repetitive and one sided.
Donald Trump General Discussion thread
My statement about feminists, Pc, social justice etc was a generalization. I never stated they are the only ones, just that their hate (and yes they do hate him) comes from them being brainwashed. From the media. From Clinton and her campaign. Those people that believe in lies such as the wage gap, of rape culture, of mindlesly letting everyone enter your country and giving them rights equal or more than US citizens have even if statistics show that the chances are high they could do lots of harm, are brainwashed. They stopped thinking for themselves and just follow what the leaders in their ?cults? tell them. Without even doing a little research on the matter if the things told to them are correct or not.
I do know that there are other people that have trouble with the policies he makes. I understand that. Honestly I agree with about half of what he does. The rest is crap. I also stated that in my post. Sometimes he does something genius, then he says some stupid shit and screws everything up again.
I agree that it is important to secure national borders. I agree with maternity. I agree with less government regulations. I also agree with stopping immigrants from countries that are infested with ISIS, AL- Qaeda or Boko Haram. Not all Muslims like those brainwashed people claim. Muslims from these countries, since among those immigrants there can be terrorists hidden among them.
I do not agree with some of the people he hired. I also do not agree with some of his statements concerning environmental protection or some of the military decisions he has made.
But these are opinions I have based of my own research. My own analysis. And it says he is ok. Some will disagree with this, and say he sucks. Its possible and I will respect it if it is based on research and good analysis. But when I ask them why and they start mindlessly listing everything that these cults told them, sorry but they are brainwashed and that is the reason they hate him.
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The point I was making is that from these groups a large portion is among the haters of Trump (like most of them). And they are the most vocal ones.
And now that I have come to this point. Lets make something clear so no further misunderstanding happen between us.
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I believe that these people that cause all the hate and write down all the uninformed stuff make things worse. They make it far harder for people who want to discus his individual policies, to actually discuss them. They keep attacking him, and he goes into defense, refusing to listen to them (rightfully so). But because of that people that actually have good critique to him also lose their voice. Discussions stop. The US population gets screwed.
If there are people who actually have good critique and are willing to discus them in a civil way without hate, personal attacks or bashing. While making good informed statements things would be greater. But now every time someone comes to him and says: You know, we could handle the Immigration Crisis better, he will shut that person out because he will automatically assume that it is again one of these PC cult members that keeps constantly bashing him. And that person who could have had a genius point will not be able to propose it.
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PS. I should add a picture of a Potato as a signature, since all my posts are so long. So:
@lillion1 said:
My statement about feminists, Pc, social justice etc was a generalization. I never stated they are the only ones, just that their hate (and yes they do hate him) comes from them being brainwashed. From the media. From Clinton and her campaign. Those people that believe in lies such as the wage gap, of rape culture, of mindlesly letting everyone enter your country and giving them rights equal or more than US citizens have even if statistics show that the chances are high they could do lots of harm, are brainwashed. They stopped thinking for themselves and just follow what the leaders in their ?cults? tell them. Without even doing a little research on the matter if the things told to them are correct or not.
I do know that there are other people that have trouble with the policies he makes. I understand that. Honestly I agree with about half of what he does. The rest is crap. I also stated that in my post. Sometimes he does something genius, then he says some stupid shit and screws everything up again.
I agree that it is important to secure national borders. I agree with maternity. I agree with less government regulations. I also agree with stopping immigrants from countries that are infested with ISIS, AL- Qaeda or Boko Haram. Not all Muslims like those brainwashed people claim. Muslims from these countries, since among those immigrants there can be terrorists hidden among them.
I do not agree with some of the people he hired. I also do not agree with some of his statements concerning environmental protection or some of the military decisions he has made.
But these are opinions I have based of my own research. My own analysis. And it says he is ok. Some will disagree with this, and say he sucks. Its possible and I will respect it if it is based on research and good analysis. But when I ask them why and they start mindlessly listing everything that these cults told them, sorry but they are brainwashed and that is the reason they hate him.
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The point I was making is that from these groups a large portion is among the haters of Trump (like most of them). And they are the most vocal ones.
And now that I have come to this point. Lets make something clear so no further misunderstanding happen between us.
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I believe that these people that cause all the hate and write down all the uninformed stuff make things worse. They make it far harder for people who want to discus his individual policies, to actually discuss them. They keep attacking him, and he goes into defense, refusing to listen to them (rightfully so). But because of that people that actually have good critique to him also lose their voice. Discussions stop. The US population gets screwed.
If there are people who actually have good critique and are willing to discus them in a civil way without hate, personal attacks or bashing. While making good informed statements things would be greater. But now every time someone comes to him and says: You know, we could handle the Immigration Crisis better, he will shut that person out because he will automatically assume that it is again one of these PC cult members that keeps constantly bashing him. And that person who could have had a genius point will not be able to propose it.
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PS. I should add a picture of a Potato as a signature, since all my posts are so long. So:
You cannot be serious, if you really want to talk abut being brainwashed you should look in the Trump camp. I have two words for you "pizza gate" if you don't know what that means, I would suggest that you look it up, the same people espousing all that other fake rhetoric that you mentioned (not all of them) but many of them are also holocaust deniers and also said slavery wasn't so bad because they got full meals.
@black3stpanth3r said:
You cannot be serious, if you really want to talk abut being brainwashed you should look in the Trump camp. I have two words for you "pizza gate"
Yeah that whole thing was so ridiculous, that it's hard to believe that anyone would actually buy into that stuff... but still they did. I mean, however, it's not surprising since these are the same people who listen to Alex Jones regularly and believe the b.s. he says. Of course now Alex Jones is claiming that he's just a "performance artist"... which is the most hilarious thing ever. Sadly, just like the Trump supporters, Alex Jones lies constantly right to his followers' faces and they just smile and come back for more.
And I quote from my own post which you quoted:
I do not agree with some of the people he hired. I also do not agree with some of his statements concerning environmental protection or some of the military decisions he has made.
I never said Trumps camp is full of angels. And I do know what pizza gate is. It is a debunked conspiracy theory with no proof whatsoever to back it up. Only 14% of Trump voters believed that Hilary had a connection with it, above average but not higher than the number of people I mentioned.
That slavery statement is bad but again, see my quote. Up there in bold letters.
You do not see to get the point I am trying to make. Of course there are morons of a different kind that support Trump. You can not foult him for that, they were to support someone and this time it was Trump. Some of the things his camp says, those people agree with. Doesn't mean that everything he says is bad. Doesn't mean he is the next Hitler. He has some valid points, and some civil discussions could make sure that he implemented those in a better way. But the haters make that difficult.
Consider this. Now because he feels himself completely alienated by the other camp he looks for support everywhere in his own camp. Why should he try to talk with the people that only use personal attacks on him. Now if the more intelligent ones from the other camp stopped listening the the brainwashed people from their camp and actually discussed stuff, he could stop listening to the braindead people of his own camp.
A win win situation if you ask me.
He is not the best candidate, but still better than Hilary. And you gotta work with what you have. Only attacking and bashing doesn't help.
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One more thing: You did just bash him. You attacked the supporters of his camp. Your argument was: We have morons, so does he. The only thing an argument like that can evolve into is"which morons are worse''. Not constructive at all.
Instead focus more on the points he makes. Listen. Hell every idea I have about his policies I got from reading info about from about a dozen papers, reports etc and analyzing it. Analyze the consequences, look what he tries to achieve and come up with better ideas.
He says: these muslims dont enter the country again until the ISIS problem is solved.
Instead of saying Hitler, Racist, boohoo misogynist etc etc look at what he tries to achieve. In this case security for US citizens and less terrorism on US soil. He believes refusing them entry is a solution to the problem. And I agree with him since I haven't heard a better solution from any other camp. So instead of complaining and whining, come up with other and better ideas to solve the problem. If you do not have a solution and only are bashing his ideas, you frankly have no right of complaining. Not all solutions are ideal, because the ideal solution does not exist, but at least he is trying to come up with something that solves a current problem he perceives. A problem that does exist.
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I hope this made clear what I meant with all statements I made so far.
Look now we getting somewhere.
And yes I agree with you that he should be man enough to admit his mistakes and own up to them. Again in my first (second?) post I did note that it annoys me that he comes up with genius stuff and then says moronic things ruining everything again. His lies are unnecessary but that doesn't change the fact that many of his policies are correct.
Unconstitutional maybe. But he is trying to impose it in a way which will be constitutional. I do not know if it will work, but at least he is trying to solve a current problem.
I live in Europe, in the US you guys probably haven't felt the consequences of freely letting those ''immigrants'' enter your country yet the way we have felt it. Here in Europe we have had a couple terrorist attacks and mass shootings last year. Mass raping. Assaults. Stuff like that happens here and it is done by the people Trump tried to impose a travel ban on. So I wish we had a travel ban here but we can't. It is too late and Turkey kinda fisted our butt holes repeatedly until it can't close anymore. In my opinion it makes sense he tries to impose one in the US so the problems that plagues Germany, France, Belgium etc wont plague the US. He is thinking about his own population first in this occasion.
This is why I agree with his travel ban.
Can you think of a solution that would work better than what he proposes? Until someone does his proposal is still the best idea I have heard so far.
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PS. On your second post. I have listened the tape, he clearly said they let him. Consent is not rape. The way he said it could be considered vulgar but he was talking among friends about women. Sometimes men are like that.
Have you seen the formula of the wagegap? There is a reason why no respectable economist takes the wage gap seriously. Hell, if women were indeed 80 cents for every dollar I would only hire women. The formula didn't take into account many things that when taken into account, would reduce the wage gap to less than 5%. Things such as education, hours worked, extra hours above the contract etc. And this 5% can be explained by another study that proves that men are TWICE as likely to ask for a raise than women do. No idea why this is, but in this case the problem lies not with economics or policies but with female mentality and they are the only ones who can solve it. Also until the mid 30's women actually earn slightly more than men in the same functions. So the wagegap is mostly explained by life style choices.
Last point I make. Earlier I wrote about lefties believing false narratives without doing research and believing the crap the media feeds them. You then went on to say, hey conservatives to the same which I agreed upon. I did assume back then that you could be different and be one that actually did do some research, but disagreed with trump for ethical reasons or something like this. But regretfully I find out you also buy into those false narratives without doing research (look at the wagegap, or him raping women, and you complain about pizza gate?).
To write down the part about the wage gap, I had to look up a couple articles again which explained why it is not correct and reread the important parts again. This is a lot of work to inform a person who apparently does not do the work himself, and frankly speaking it probably is a waste of time. I probably can't have an educated discussion with you, and therefore you have now entered the category of not worth my time.
You are hilarious. I stated mine. the formula with that wagegape doesn't take into account many factors that when taken into account reduce it to nil. It is basically:
Wagegap = (Total salary of men in job a/total men in job a)/(total salary of women in job a/total women in job a)
Now I study economics and I can tell you this formula stinks.
You do not take into account the hours they work. You do not take into account decisions they make and you do not take into account many other factors, which when taken into account reduce it to nil.
Where is your proof? You are acting like one of those femisist social justice pc nutjobs I wrote about a little while ago. You constantly bash what I say as incorrect but do not provide one shred of evidence why. Your argument is basically: They Said.
You didn't give one idea about a solution to my earlier stated problem of immigration. And when I present you with the facts why your earlier argument is incorrect you say: nanana, what you say is incorrect, not gonna listen nanana, dont have proof but nanana. Basically like a small child.
You think I read rightwing only? I read the Guardian, New York Times, Wasington Post, Russia today, Business Insider, Sputnik, some Dutch Papers which are fairly central and many papers and blogs about any subject I have even the faintest interest in. I do my research do you?
Do you know what the main reason is why the wage gap is a myth? Because by law it already is illegal. Since President John F. Kennedy signed the Equal Pay Act of 1963, it has been illegal in the United States to paymen and women working in the same place different salaries for similar work. If a women is payed less than a man for the same amount of work she can go to the court, and the company will lose tons of money. THAT IS THE REASON THERE IS NO PAYGAP. Because no company is stupid enough to implement one.
Now you tell me if I am uninformed. Give me one shred of evidence it exists. Look up the formula. Do the statistics, I dare you. I assume you know how SPSS or Excel works. Take everything into account and calculate. You will find out there is no pay gap,.
And about the tape. Did he say she didn't want me and i fucked her anyway? Did he say he did it? He said I tried and she didnt want to and she was married. Basically nothing happened. He tried and got shut down. Big deal. There is no rape in these tapes. There is no forcing women. It is a fantasy made up by feminists and pc fools. Brainwashed idiots.
This is why I wrote you are not worth my time. I am not stimulated while discussing something with you. You refuse to listen what I say, stay stubbornly listening to the false arguments even if they are proven wrong and bring forward the same dumb arguments so many other lefties have done. Arguments that are not backed by any data. You refuse to think.
You think Obama didn't lie? Democrats have lied for many years about the gender wage gap. And many other things. Foolish little children / young adults will buy into it and vote for them. And before you start republics blablabla, yes there are many things they lie about as well. It is called politics. Grow up.
Lets talk about me. I am an ENTP-A. A debater. I love to debate. For subjects I have interest in I do a shitload of research in so I can make good arguments. I love the challenge. I know I am not always correct, but my research is always sound. Because I want to be stimulated while debating. So when someone like you repeats the same stupid arguments which are not backed by anything, I get annoyed. It is not stimulating. It is boring and there is no growth to be had. Which brings me to my earlier point of you not being worth my time. Until you come up with points that show that you have actually done some research and know what you are talking about, I wont react to you anymore. Ill look for a challenge elsewhere.
And I know I sound like a pussy for saying this, but honestly it takes lots of times to do the research about the subjects I wish to discus about. And these are long posts. I would rather have a real discussion after the research, than just sum up the same arguments to someone who will not listen to them either way. Because someone who will not listen won't be able of coming up with solid counterarguments. So until you come up with sound research and sound points I will look for a challenge elsewhere.
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