Does the new Star Trek kinda suck? Discovery is kinda bad?

A pic of the Abrams re-boot...which in a way may have inspired this new show

There is definitely a liberal agenda under all of the dialogue.

I haven't been paying much attention to Trek, but I feel they left the whole explorer concept/idea behind and just turned into a generic action sci-fi.

At least from what I've seen on previews and such for the newer stuff.

@cable_extreme: You do know the federation is a socialist entity right?

It is more of a united nations, not really a specific nation.

I felt that it was too dark and too serious, a definite departure from the past incarnations. It was OK overall.

@cable_extreme: The point is Gene Roddenberry was a leftist. It's like complaining of Atlas Shrugged having a capitalist agenda.

It's improving every episode.

Star Trek's best TV days are behind it.

Best Star Trek series I've ever watched

It's got some good stuff not the best but OK good points

I like what they're trying to do, and the special effects are top notch, but the writing isnt very good. Characters do stupid shit all the time and stuff often just doesnt make sense. And not to mention that the main character isnt very likable, and the show starts with her attacking her commanding officer and trying to start a war with the Klingons because of some feeling she had.

I hope it gets better, at least in the writing department.

I heard it was pretty good from a critical Star Trek fan, I know. I haven't seen it yet. It's on my "to-do" list. On the other hand, I saw White Famous last night. That show is funny. Very enjoyable.

This

Also the ruined the Klingons and Vulcans

My heart still hurts at what they did to the Klingons. sigh what did they do to the Vulcans?

The original Star Trek was about people of all nations coming together.

Aaron Harberts said the Klingons are like Trump supporters, being a divisive little cretin to show off for your political side is a good example of what people mean these days when they say liberal agenda.

@dernman: They broke their logic thingy

@sheenlantern: leftist doesn't automatically mean he is a socialist.

Who cares about Star Trek anymore

Its ok for me so far.

Yeah the Klingons were changed for no apparent reason, and the way they speak is just horrible. There's no fluidity in their speech and everything they say is painful to listen to. I also hate having to read subtitles. Just have them speak English for God's sake. It's a common storytelling notion that characters are understood to be speaking their own language with each other, but we hear ours for the sake of making the story easier to understand and follow.

As far as the Vulcans, apparently now they have this magical instant telepathic communication system that they never had before. <rollseyes>

I'm liking the Orville more so...

Ugh, just watch The Orville.