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Posted by CCThor (1695 posts) 1 month, 10 days ago

Poll: Do you think gender identity is ok or wrong? (109 votes)

I don’t like it but it’s ok. 2%
It’s alright. 17%
As long as it doesn’t affect me I don’t really care. 27%
It’s wrong, accept your born gender. 12%
Those people have mental health problem. 22%
It’s stupid, stop trying change who you are. 16%
Other thought. 6%
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#1 Edited by BatmanPlusJay (4559 posts) - - Show Bio

This is that "I sexually identify as (insert whatever garden tool)" stuff right? I think it's stupid. If you're transgender, ok. If you're gay, ok. If you're bi, ok. If you're lesbian, ok. All this other "I was born with a penis but I am a female for goofy reasons" shit gotta go. It's stupid.

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#2 Posted by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

I very much believe in reincarnation & don't really find it farfetched that someone would get hung up on being who they were in a past life & one may be a woman in one life & a man in the next but the human spirit has no gender.

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#3 Posted by SpareHeadOne (6618 posts) - - Show Bio

You gotta learn to love yourself. Takes a long time to get the hang of that.. Takes a long time to get to know who you are. I wouldn't be pressured into labelling myself as anything except "me".

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#4 Posted by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

Basically if you were born with a penis than just be a man for a while.

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#5 Posted by Crimson_Lord (3038 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn’t matter a lot to me.

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#6 Edited by Arthur_Morgan (416 posts) - - Show Bio

tell me how its right to simply buy yourself another gender just becouse you dont like your current one.

holy shit, these ppl cleary have no real problems in their life.

why should i give a BJORK about your “problem“ when you rather spend that money on gender change instead helping ppl who actualy have problems?

hyprocrites.

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#7 Edited by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

@arthur_morgan said:

tell me how its right to simply buy yourself another gender just becouse you dont like your current one.

holy shit, these ppl cleary have no real problems in their life.

why should i give a BJORK about your “problem“ when you rather spend that money on gender change instead helping ppl who actualy have problems?

hyprocrites.

That does kinda piss me off that currency is being wasted on something so ridiculous.

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#8 Edited by Arthur_Morgan (416 posts) - - Show Bio

@dr_shenanigans: especialy when they are completly healthy with no handicap or something like that.

thats like a big BJORK to those who have handicaps but not the money to change it.

ppl act like they are “strong“ for openly do it and show it but its actualy just shows how weak and BJORKED up you are.

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#9 Posted by KingOfWakanda (2715 posts) - - Show Bio

Do what makes you happy. As long as no one is getting hurt, it's alright with me.

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#10 Posted by FlashGreaterSignEveryone (1895 posts) - - Show Bio

In a truly free society, you should be allowed to identify as a "Decepticon" so long as it does not intrude on the freedoms of others. (I should not be lawfully bound to call you a "Decepticon" or provide my services to "Decepticons")

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#11 Posted by ourmanuel (12318 posts) - - Show Bio

I’m conflicted on this

on one hand, it’s ok if people want to go around doing whatever to themselves

On the other hand, Im not a big fan of being forced to call someone by what they identify as, or even worse, when they come up with these weird gender neutral words.

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#12 Posted by SirPounce (263 posts) - - Show Bio

There are only two genders. Anything beyond that is a mental health issue.

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#13 Edited by infantfinite128 (6041 posts) - - Show Bio

There are only two genders. Anything beyond that is a mental health issue.

Yes. And it's confusing innocent kids by trying to normalize it.

People with mental illness need help. Normalizing it or celebrating it is an evil thing to do to them.

I am mentally ill and thankfully I have help. I've thought about hurting and killing myself since I was a child. I struggle with reality and if people okay-ed it, I'd be in trouble.

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#14 Edited by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

@arthur_morgan said:

@dr_shenanigans: especialy when they are completly healthy with no handicap or something like that.

thats like a big BJORK to those who have handicaps but not the money to change it.

ppl act like they are “strong“ for openly do it and show it but its actualy just shows how weak and BJORKED up you are.

Yep but you know someone will try to pass off their penis as some kind of metaphorical tumorous growth & try to put some sort of idiotic liberal philosophical spin on it to justify such actions while completely ignoring the most basic & fundamental facts.

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#15 Posted by King-Ragnar (4474 posts) - - Show Bio

Look between your legs. You'll find out your gender.

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#16 Posted by ArranVid (2667 posts) - - Show Bio

I know this might sound nonsensical or controversial but I don't think gender exists. From a scientific standpoint, biological sex exists: the male sex and the female sex...but I don't think gender exists. I base my thoughts on chromosomes. As we all know here, XX is female and XY is male. There are also the other situations of course, for example People with Klinefelter syndrome have XXY chromosomes and can be classified as male. I think Intersex people are easy to categorize into male or female too if we look at the chromosomes. I don't base my thoughts on external genitalia because I think that would be confusing and scientifically the wrong way to go about it.

So if a "transwoman" (as I have said before, I don't think transgenderism exists) came to me and this person says that "she" identifies as a female and that she would like to be called by a female pronoun, I would not agree with her for the reasons stated in the paragraph above. This transwoman would've been born with XY chromosomes so in my mind I will say that he is male. I would do the same thing if a trans-man came to me, I would identify "him" as a woman because of her XX chromosomes at birth, even though "he" identifies as a male.

See, why does a transwoman identify as "female"? is it because he likes pink or handbags or likes shopping...hang on a second, just because somebody likes those things doesn't mean that the person is a woman. The same thing goes with transmen who think they are men, a lot of them think that just because they like blue or garages or heavy DIY that they are men.

This is another thing, I don't believe in the terms "masculine" and "feminine". I think they are outdated concepts that are confusing everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of women in this world who do things that are called "masculine" and there are hundreds of thousands of men in this world who do things that are called "feminine"...which is why these terms need to be scrapped...they are irrelevant terms. The only relevant terms are the ones related to biological sex and that is determined by chromosomes. There is no masculinity of femininity, there are only humans doing whatever they want...doing whatever their brain tells them to do.

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#17 Edited by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

@arranvid said:

I know this might sound nonsensical or controversial but I don't think gender exists. From a scientific standpoint, biological sex exists: the male sex and the female sex...but I don't think gender exists. I base my thoughts on chromosomes. As we all know here, XX is female and XY is male. There are also the other situations of course, for example People with Klinefelter syndrome have XXY chromosomes and can be classified as male. I think Intersex people are easy to categorize into male or female too if we look at the chromosomes. I don't base my thoughts on external genitalia because I think that would be confusing and scientifically the wrong way to go about it.

So if a "transwoman" (as I have said before, I don't think transgenderism exists) came to me and this person says that "she" identifies as a female and that she would like to be called by a female pronoun, I would not agree with her for the reasons stated in the paragraph above. This transwoman would've been born with XY chromosomes so in my mind I will say that he is male. I would do the same thing if a trans-man came to me, I would identify "him" as a woman because of her XX chromosomes at birth, even though "he" identifies as a male.

See, why does a transwoman identify as "female"? is it because he likes pink or handbags or likes shopping...hang on a second, just because somebody likes those things doesn't mean that the person is a woman. The same thing goes with transmen who think they are men, a lot of them think that just because they like blue or garages or heavy DIY that they are men.

This is another thing, I don't believe in the terms "masculine" and "feminine". I think they are outdated concepts that are confusing everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of women in this world who do things that are called "masculine" and there are hundreds of thousands of men in this world who do things that are called "feminine"...which is why these terms need to be scrapped...they are irrelevant terms. The only relevant terms are the ones related to biological sex and that is determined by chromosomes. There is no masculinity of femininity, there are only humans doing whatever they want...doing whatever their brain tells them to do.

Right! Almost everyone around me tells me I have very feminine mannerisms but I'm very large & feel very masculine but a lot of people think I'm a "fairy" even though I can rip their arms from their sockets. Why can't a macho man be elegant too without being called a homo?

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#18 Posted by Kevd4wg (12804 posts) - - Show Bio

Why should I care what your gender is, live your life, I'll respect it, just don't be an asshole about it.

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#19 Edited by jonjizz (1235 posts) - - Show Bio

it's ok, i don't care, but i don't want to see men competing against women in sports cause that is a no no for me

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#20 Posted by Vertigo- (17846 posts) - - Show Bio

@kevd4wg said:

Why should I care what your gender is, live your life, I'll respect it, just don't be an asshole about it.

This

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#21 Posted by just_sayin (3556 posts) - - Show Bio

If someone wants to live their life in a gender identity role that does not correspond with their birth, I think they should, in general, be free to live their life the way they choose.

Where I would draw a limit, is when they want to infringe upon the rights of of others or gain an unjust advantage. For instance, I don't think that someone should be penalized if they use the appropriate birth pronoun instead of the demanded pronoun or be allowed to sue if there "gender" is not specifically accounted for in speech, documents or restrooms. That imposes upon someone else mandates such as free speech restrictions. I don't think we should limit someone's free speech rights for using an arbitrary pronoun someone choose. Few people pronounce my name correctly, but I don't think I have a right to sue them for that.

I don't think someone who was born a male should compete against women in athletics. A biological man has much more muscle mass and therefore an unjust advantage in some sports. I don't think that it is good to pretend that there are not biological differences between men and women. There are over 50 chemical differences in how the brain tends to function between men and women alone. It would be foolish to ignore science because it is not politically correct.

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#22 Edited by Iron_Tiger (929 posts) - - Show Bio

At the end of the day, I don't really care, so long as you don't force your crap onto me and it doesn't affect my life in any way. And yes, it is a mental problem.

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#23 Posted by Doofasa (2229 posts) - - Show Bio

As others have said, each to their own as long as it doesn't intrude on the freedom of others.

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#24 Posted by Captain_Narlowe (155 posts) - - Show Bio

Who am i to tell other people as what they identify themeselves, especially in countries who preach freedom should that be not even a question.

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#25 Edited by kgb725 (19571 posts) - - Show Bio

Gender and body dysphoria is a real thing

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#26 Edited by Soratoumiga (3778 posts) - - Show Bio

You can sexually identify as a pineapple, it's fine with me. And it's not a mental disorder.

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#27 Posted by A0KI (7 posts) - - Show Bio

It's really nobody's business what gender you exist as. throwing a hissy fit over other people's gender is petty and small minded. mind YOUR business, how bout that?

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#28 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (5265 posts) - - Show Bio

As someone said, there are 2 genders. Anything else besides that is a mental health issue.

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#29 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7695 posts) - - Show Bio

There are two genders

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#30 Posted by mrmonster (15992 posts) - - Show Bio

It's your body, do whatever you want with it.

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#31 Posted by BumpyBoo (14803 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as your freedom doesn't encroach on mine, knock yourself out

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#32 Edited by ArranVid (2667 posts) - - Show Bio

@dr_shenanigans said:
@arranvid said:

I know this might sound nonsensical or controversial but I don't think gender exists. From a scientific standpoint, biological sex exists: the male sex and the female sex...but I don't think gender exists. I base my thoughts on chromosomes. As we all know here, XX is female and XY is male. There are also the other situations of course, for example People with Klinefelter syndrome have XXY chromosomes and can be classified as male. I think Intersex people are easy to categorize into male or female too if we look at the chromosomes. I don't base my thoughts on external genitalia because I think that would be confusing and scientifically the wrong way to go about it.

So if a "transwoman" (as I have said before, I don't think transgenderism exists) came to me and this person says that "she" identifies as a female and that she would like to be called by a female pronoun, I would not agree with her for the reasons stated in the paragraph above. This transwoman would've been born with XY chromosomes so in my mind I will say that he is male. I would do the same thing if a trans-man came to me, I would identify "him" as a woman because of her XX chromosomes at birth, even though "he" identifies as a male.

See, why does a transwoman identify as "female"? is it because he likes pink or handbags or likes shopping...hang on a second, just because somebody likes those things doesn't mean that the person is a woman. The same thing goes with transmen who think they are men, a lot of them think that just because they like blue or garages or heavy DIY that they are men.

This is another thing, I don't believe in the terms "masculine" and "feminine". I think they are outdated concepts that are confusing everybody. There are hundreds of thousands of women in this world who do things that are called "masculine" and there are hundreds of thousands of men in this world who do things that are called "feminine"...which is why these terms need to be scrapped...they are irrelevant terms. The only relevant terms are the ones related to biological sex and that is determined by chromosomes. There is no masculinity of femininity, there are only humans doing whatever they want...doing whatever their brain tells them to do.

Right! Almost everyone around me tells me I have very feminine mannerisms but I'm very large & feel very masculine but a lot of people think I'm a "fairy" even though I can rip their arms from their sockets. Why can't a macho man be elegant too without being called a homo?

Exactly my friend, I agree with you

Well said!!! thumbs up :-)

This is why the words 'masculine' and 'feminine' should be scrapped

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#33 Edited by WollfMyth209 (17110 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like gender is a more complex subject matter than just the bi-modulary sex(which in-of-itself is complex), as connected as those two are.

If people have a need/reason to identify as something, I don't mind as it ultimately doesn't harm them or me.

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#34 Posted by ArranVid (2667 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonjizz said:

it's ok, i don't care, but i don't want to see men competing against women in sports cause that is a no no for me

Yes, this is another important issue...otherwise sport is gonna go down the rabbit hole. You have prominent LGBT sportspeople (a champ like Martina Navratilova) clearly saying that if transwomen enter the female tennis tournaments then they will dominate and make it unfair for the women (Martina is the tennis player! she is very qualified to have that opinion!) yet we have that bossy, overrated loudmouth "Doctor" Rachel McKinnon overriding her (what the heck does Rachel know about tennis??) and then poor Martina had to be stripped off her position of prominence in the LGBT community...where's the fairness in that?? Why are more and more people like Rachel...who share the wrong views...getting a louder say in the debate on 'transwomen participation in sport'?

I think transwomen should be allowed to do sport but they should do it on a fairer playing field...not against clearly biologically disadvantaged women...that's not fair. I remember seeing that video of a girl who used to do so well at track and field until lots of transwomen entered her competition and took about EIGHT of the top spots in her competition...leaving her (a real woman) to be settling at the bottom of the competition, how unfair.

Another unfair one was when Fallon Fox...a muscular man who "thought" he was a woman...started beating up women in combat sports...smh...at least he got a taste of his own medicine when a woman beat him up and won. I'm sure Fallon's agenda was more sinister...just like many of the other sinister transwomen sportspeople (not all of them, but some)...I think Fallon knew he wouldn't be able to compete against the men in combat sports so he took the pathetic way out and purposefully chose to become trans to go into the women's tourney and win easy and win big.

Who knows? maybe Rachel McKinnon also chose to go into women's cycling because he knew that he would have a biological advantage and win easy and win big. If he had stayed in men's cycling I don't think he would've fared as well as he does now.

This needs to stop.

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#35 Posted by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

@arranvid said:
@jonjizz said:

it's ok, i don't care, but i don't want to see men competing against women in sports cause that is a no no for me

Yes, this is another important issue...otherwise sport is gonna go down the rabbit hole. You have prominent LGBT sportspeople (a champ like Martina Navratilova) clearly saying that if transwomen enter the female tennis tournaments then they will dominate and make it unfair for the women (Martina is the tennis player! she is very qualified to have that opinion!) yet we have that bossy, overrated loudmouth "Doctor" Rachel McKinnon overriding her (what the heck does Rachel know about tennis??) and then poor Martina had to be stripped off her position of prominence in the LGBT community...where's the fairness in that?? Why are more and more people like Rachel...who share the wrong views...getting a louder say in the debate on 'transwomen participation in sport'?

I think transwomen should be allowed to do sport but they should do it on a fairer playing field...not against clearly biologically disadvantaged women...that's not fair. I remember seeing that video of a girl who used to do so well at track and field until lots of transwomen entered her competition and took about EIGHT of the top spots in her competition...leaving her (a real woman) to be settling at the bottom of the competition, how unfair.

Another unfair one was when Fallon Fox...a muscular man who "thought" he was a woman...started beating up women in combat sports...smh...at least he got a taste of his own medicine when a woman beat him up and won. I'm sure Fallon's agenda was more sinister...just like many of the other sinister transwomen sportspeople (not all of them, but some)...I think Fallon knew he wouldn't be able to compete against the men in combat sports so he took the pathetic way out and purposefully chose to become trans to go into the women's tourney and win easy and win big.

Who knows? maybe Rachel McKinnon also chose to go into women's cycling because he knew that he would have a biological advantage and win easy and win big. If he had stayed in men's cycling I don't think he would've fared as well as he does now.

This needs to stop.

The transgender community just needs to make their own leagues & then pit transwomen against transmen & see how that works out.

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#36 Posted by Lunacyde (28306 posts) - - Show Bio

Within reason.

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#37 Edited by jonjizz (1235 posts) - - Show Bio

@arranvid: indeed.

and outside of sport competitions, i think we have no business with (or right to judge) someone else's gender identity.

there are a lot of confused people (mostly teens or young adults) who are not sure what they are yet, and some say it's a mental disorder, but i don't think it should be classified as such when it doesn't really impair any cognitive function... however i disagree with the whole pronouns thing, i mean you can ask to be referred to as "they" for example, but not everyone is gonna respect it so it shouldn't be demanded or enforced in any way, like canada tried to do.

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#38 Posted by JohnCena69swag (4043 posts) - - Show Bio

If somebody i care about comes out and says they are feeling suicidal I'm going to try and convince them otherwise because although it might seem like a good choice for them, it really isnt good for anyone. If they start using heroin I'm going to try and convince them not to. Yeah it's their body and it's their right to do with it as they please. Doesn't mean i won't try to help them change their mind.

I don't want to see the media normalize and celebrate heroin addicts for their bravery.

Cnn: "Oh you're so brave! This is such a beautiful and inspirational story! You were depressed and full of anxiety and unhappy with your life but now that you take heroin every day you are finally happy and free to be who you are."

Confused 15 year old kid: "Hmmm. I really wish I had the courage to talk to people. I'm such a loser. Well there was this big celebrity that everyone is talking about and calling brave for overcoming these same problems with heroin. Maybe that will help me too. Anything is better than living as I am now."

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#39 Posted by Lord_Tenebrous (2347 posts) - - Show Bio

It shouldn't be illegal, no, but it is demonstrative of mental health issues that need legitimate treatment, not the mutilation of your body. What you were born as is what you are, plain and simple. You cannot change your biological identity.

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#40 Posted by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

If somebody i care about comes out and says they are feeling suicidal I'm going to try and convince them otherwise because although it might seem like a good choice for them, it really isnt good for anyone. If they start using heroin I'm going to try and convince them not to. Yeah it's their body and it's their right to do with it as they please. Doesn't mean i won't try to help them change their mind.

I don't want to see the media normalize and celebrate heroin addicts for their bravery.

Cnn: "Oh you're so brave! This is such a beautiful and inspirational story! You were depressed and full of anxiety and unhappy with your life but now that you take heroin every day you are finally happy and free to be who you are."

Confused 15 year old kid: "Hmmm. I really wish I had the courage to talk to people. I'm such a loser. Well there was this big celebrity that everyone is talking about and calling brave for overcoming these same problems with heroin. Maybe that will help me too. Anything is better than living as I am now."

So the moral of the story is "Do heroin"? Okay! Never tried it before but if I can be happy doing it, let's do it!

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#42 Posted by JohnCena69swag (4043 posts) - - Show Bio

@dr_shenanigans: lol i guess thats what you could take away from it. But the moral of the story is that yes, heroin and other drugs would undoubtedly make you happy, but at such a tremendous physical cost that it wouldnt be even close to worthwhile. Especially when we know there are plenty of other ways that you can be happy and free. And that the media isnt doing anyone any favors by celebrating a solution that works at such a great cost, since there is such an obvious influence on the impressionable youth.

Similarly, I dont think the media is doing society any favors by celebrating every "coming out" and directly influencing the youth by preying on their anxiety.

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@dr_shenanigans: lol i guess thats what you could take away from it. But the moral of the story is that yes, heroin and other drugs would undoubtedly make you happy, but at such a tremendous physical cost that it wouldnt be even close to worthwhile. Especially when we know there are plenty of other ways that you can be happy and free. And that the media isnt doing anyone any favors by celebrating a solution that works at such a great cost, since there is such an obvious influence on the impressionable youth.

Similarly, I dont think the media is doing society any favors by celebrating every "coming out" and directly influencing the youth by preying on their anxiety.

And that's where i'm hopeless & lost. I just don't know how to be truly happy & really don't think I can.

The closest thing to joy I can think of is "biting the bullet" so someone else doesn't have to because I'm already at rock bottom & can't get any lower.

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#44 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (4559 posts) - - Show Bio

In a truly free society, you should be allowed to identify as a "Decepticon" so long as it does not intrude on the freedoms of others. (I should not be lawfully bound to call you a "Decepticon" or provide my services to "Decepticons")

That's the thing. If they sexually identify as an air pump, they'll get upset if you also don't refer to them as an air pump and say it's harassment or wtf ever. Like nah bro, I'm not about to play them games. You're a he or a she. You have two options. Pick one. If you wanna be a screw driver, you do you, I don't care. But don't expect me to abide by your rules.

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#45 Posted by Cull_Obsidian (4088 posts) - - Show Bio

@renchamp: This thread is full of such ignorance and offensive nieve bigots that it needs to be locked

Its bad for this site

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#46 Posted by Dr_Shenanigans (536 posts) - - Show Bio

@renchamp: This thread is full of such ignorance and offensive nieve bigots that it needs to be locked

Its bad for this site

Is someone having an identity crisis?

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#47 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (4559 posts) - - Show Bio

@cull_obsidian: Who's being ignorant? And since I'm sure I'm one of the people you're referring to, how am I being ignorant?

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#48 Posted by Cull_Obsidian (4088 posts) - - Show Bio

@dr_shenanigans: No but my 13yo daughter is and most if not all of these comments are seriously misinformed, the amount of trauma she goes through is staggering since she was 3 knew she was different, scans show her brains is chemically identical to a biological females brain

Theres also indication of her genetics being responsible

There is need for debate sure but not discriminatory remarks that show how ignorant a lot of users

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#49 Posted by Cull_Obsidian (4088 posts) - - Show Bio

@batmanplusjay: you're being ignorant of how offensive your remarks are, i know first hand how not understanding somthing can lead to fear and hate

Tell me any real experience of and transgender issues? As i said to another user my young step child has gender dysphoria and her life has been a challenge due to exactly the sort of remarks that are being said on here

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