Do you believe there’s life on other planets?
Of Course There Is.
No; it's because I've had many answered prayers and have deeply reflected on what Jesus has done for me, even before I underwent this deep reflection (e.. before, I was more open to it, but still had a lean towards Jesus). The probability of life coming into existence by random chance quite literally is at the probability level for it being mathematically impossible. The Bible says that the earth was made to be inhabited. Basically, we have two choices: either God created the Heaven and earth or it came about by random chance; neither of these would meet the definition of a fact; both 10,000 years and 4.5 billion years are a point in history that cannot be independently verified apart from a source that you have to just trust, where a belief that life can occur by random chance quite literally meets the mathematical definition of impossible and is has been shown to be unlikely by the science that our current technology allows us to perform (e.g. the honest reading of the results from the Miller Experiment, where we have to take into consideration oxidation, biological information, life requiring right handed nucleic acids to bind with left handed amino acids, where when an organism dies, it becomes the expected racemic mixture; various issues such as these).
On the flip side, the Bible, everything that can still be verified has been verified, testing centered around trying testing the age of the earth usually coming into that 6,000-10000 year range versus some other age range (e.g. the ones apart from those few that are used to support 4.5 billion years and done so without the material that dispute it), testimonies from Christians occurring at least weekly and being consistent since Jesus ascended; personal experiences with answered prayers; while there is a lean towards Christianity for me, these are also just simply the objective, observed facts; it's indirect evidence in favor of the Bible (e.g. there is no equivalent on our side that says these things cited by the Bible are going to be impossible). Thus, the Bible has to be the proof and there is no objective reason for this position to be rejected, especially in a knee jerk manner. People can invent ways to define a fact such that the Bible could never be a fact, but, that doesn't somehow make it true that we can say, therefore, life necessarily came about by random chance is therefore a fact, contrary to what's probably being claim someplace like a university classroom, which is apparently what many people are doing inadvertently; on the flipside, nothing that's been objectively found somehow meets the definition of fact such that taking a default position that life came about as a random process is most likely, and most of the findings and tests just simply demonstrates this to be the case (e.g. just recently, the finds from the Webb Telescope was a big disappointment for those who were pretending to be so certain that we would be finding that galaxies didn't exist the further back in time we went; clearly, there would have been an uproar and headlines, had those predictions come to fruition; thus, the topic has changed; however, not in the Christian apologetic circles; the Miller Experiment similarly was supposed to show certain results and didn't; it was the classic blunder for a certain perspective of things). God I good; thanks be to Jesus.
Thus, objective observations, not a matter of somehow seeing exploring the possibility as somehow being blasphemous; loving Star Trek and can't forget Deanna Troi (e.g. still getting through screencaps and looking forward to getting through the next episodes and enjoying those in this manner, also; I went to a screencapping website, but 1400 caps isn't sufficient coverage and also allows certain things to be omitted as compared to around 4500 per episode).
It's almost a certainty that there is life elsewhere.
Intelligent life (Humans or even above) is another matter. You would have to look towards Earth and how we evolved and how long it took on a stable planet with a stable star, with ALL of the correct things happening in the past. I'd say its a possibility but far from certain. 50/50.
Being alone in a galaxy that houses billions of stars that at least houses planets, with more billions of galaxies across the universe
Kinda a stretch if we're the only ones out there
Some intelligent species theoretically could have existed before our time on this planet tho before becoming extinct, or they will evolve after us
Being alone in a galaxy that houses billions of stars that at least houses planets, with more billions of galaxies across the universe
Kinda a stretch if we're the only ones out there
Some intelligent species theoretically could have existed before our time on this planet tho before becoming extinct
Agree! Countless Worlds are located in Goldilocks Zones also.
If there are intelligent life out there, it's likely we'll never know bc how vast the Uni is.... unless 'we' or 'they' can advance in technology or somehow figure out how to use Wormholes etc.
To think there's no life out of the countless planets in our universe is unrealistic to say the least.
To think there's no life out of the countless planets in our universe is unrealistic to say the least.
For me, yes. There's a high possibility. The universe is damn vast. There's no damn way in this universe full of countless planets and solar systems we are the only one alive. Them being intelligent or more advance than use is another topic.
Nope, we would have detected evidence of them existing by now
really? Why do you think so? Not onl;y do we not have the technology to do so in longer ranges, but there are literally vast parts of the universe that are speeding away from us faster than light, that we will never be able to interact with those in any way, shape, or form.
Do you really believe our current technology is so advanced that we have successfully scanned the skies? New planets and stars are found every day lol
@chimeroid: To begin with I feel like I should specify that I mean intelligent life, the existence of non-earth based living microbes has already been detected.
It's the alien life forms on par or above human civilization level which we I don't believe exist. Mostly because our modern satellites and observatory which can see as far as 13 billion light years away from earth, would have caught something by now
@chimeroid: To begin with I feel like I should specify that I mean intelligent life, the existence of non-earth based living microbes has already been detected.
It's the alien life forms on par or above human civilization level which we I don't believe exist. Mostly because our modern satellites and observatory which can see as far as 13 billion light years away from earth, would have caught something by now
You do know that looking 13 billion light years away gives you a picture that's 13 billion lightyears old?
We have no way of knowing what faraway galaxies actually look like. Even a million lightyears away is enough of a time distance for us to see a barren planet that then had enough time to evolve intelligent life.
Surely
Tbh yea life is on other planets but I feel like humans are still too egocentric to realize that life might be too alien to even know what we are looking at.
Like imagine a absolutely massive being made out of energy that stretches for LIGHTYEARS and thinks in millennium and not just seconds. Like how do you as a human comprehend that..and then even know if it has consciousness (as we would see it...as even trees are on earth and fungi seems to have some sort of consciousness)
But yea definitely life...but people gotta realize there is more than one way for everything...including life.
Not just carbon based.
Idk why I wrote all that but it bothered me as the more you learn the more you realize that you actually don't know...which creates more questions for which there are not really answers.. Currently
@dshipp17: Hmm , but according to ancient scriptures of my religion world should be around 10 billion years old .
What's your religion? This is not any attack, but I'm not saying these things in total isolation (e.g. that sounds like the propaganda, but you should try to verify rumors and claims that you hear, as objective and logical reasoning); there is a field out there called Christian apologetics that's fully of information supporting the Bible as a reliable source for facts, evidence, and information.
Probability and Order Versus Evolution
One of the strongest direct evidences for special creation is the existence of innumerable highly complex systems in the universe, systems composed of components occurring in a pattern of "order" rather than disorder. Creationists maintain that highly ordered systems could not arise by chance, since random processes generate disorder rather than order, simplicity rather than complexity and confusion instead of "information."
For example, consider a series of ten flash cards, numbered from one to ten. If these are thoroughly and randomly mixed, and then laid out successively in a linear array along the table, it would be extremely unlikely that the numbers would fall out in order from one to ten. Actually, there are 3,628,800 different ways in which these numbers could be arranged, so that the "probability" of this particular ordered arrangement is only one in 3,628,800. (This number is "ten factorial," written as 10!, and can be calculated simply by multiplying together all the numbers from one to ten.)
It is obvious that the probability of such a numerically ordered arrangement decreases rapidly as the number of components increases. For any linear system of 100 components in specified order, the probability is one in 100!, or one chance in 10158 (a number represented by "one followed by 158 zeroes").
A system requiring such a high degree of order could never happen by chance. This follows from the fact that probability theory only applies to systems with a finite possibility of occurring at least once in the universe, and it would be inconceivable that 10158 different trials could ever be made in our entire space-time universe.
Astro-physicists estimate that there are no more than 1080 infinitesimal "particles" in the universe, and that the age of the universe in its present form is no greater than 1018 seconds (30 billion years). Assuming each particle can participate in a thousand billion (1012) different events every second (this is impossibly high, of course), then the greatest number of events that could ever happen (or trials that could ever be made) in all the universe throughout its entire history is only 1080 x 1018 x 1012, or 10110 (most authorities would make this figure much lower, about 1050). Any event with a probability of less than one chance in 10110, therefore, cannot occur. Its probability becomes zero, at least in our known universe.
Thus, the above-suggested ordered arrangement of 100 components has a zero probability. It could never happen by chance. Since every single living cell is infinitely more complex and ordered than this, it is impossible that even the simplest form of life could ever have originated by chance. Even the simplest replicating protein molecule that could be imagined has been shown by Golay1 to have a probability of one in 10450. Salisbury2 calculates the probability of a typical DNA chain to be one in 10600.
However, when creationists use this evidence from probability while lecturing or debating on the creation/evolution question, evolutionists often dismiss the evidence as irrelevant, using the clever and confusing argument that no arrangement is more or less probable than any other arrangement, and some arrangement must exist! (See Figure. 1)
Nevertheless, the evolutionist will say, the unordered arrangement has the same probability (one in 3,628,800, or 10!) as the ordered arrangement. Consequently, since some arrangement is necessary, and any arrangement is just as probable as any other, there is no reason to see any particular significance in the arrangement which happens to occur. Consequently, any argument for design based on probability, they say, is meaningless.
Superficially, this claim may seem logical, even though we immediately sense that something is wrong with it. We know intuitively, as well as experimentally, that ordered arrangements are much less probable than unordered arrangements. Random arrangements of boulders on a hillside, for example, are "natural," whereas the same boulders arranged in a circle would require explanation.
Closer consideration, of course, does quickly reveal that such evolutionary reasoning is specious. If arrangement (a) had, for some reason, been specified beforehand, then its actual occurrence in the shuffle would indeed have been surprising. It could then no longer be considered an unordered arrangement, since it had been "ordered" externally! But it was not specified ahead of time—it was just the luck of the draw. Arrangement (b), however, has intrinsic order and its actual occurrence, therefore, would almost certainly not have been by chance.
This type of evolutionary equivocation crops up in various guises. One debater responded to the creationists' probability argument by calling attention to the particular combination of people in the audience. With all the people in the state, he noted, the probability that this specific group, rather than some other group, would come together by chance was "extremely small, yet there they were! The answer, of course, was that the group had not come together by chance at all—each person had come by direct intent. Nor had the individuals in the group been prespecified, as would have been the case in a designed system, where each component had to occupy a specific position in order for the system to function.
Once in a while, the objection is a little more subtle. The fact that a certain ordered structure, functioning in a specific way, seems to have an infinitesimal probability of origin by chance is side-stepped by asserting that if some other chance assemblage had come together, it may have functioned in some other way. Evolution might then have taken a different direction. The present functioning system is merely the natural development from the components that happened to come together, and this is no less probable than any other assemblage that might have evolved differently.
But this tenuous argument implicitly assumes that any chance aggregation of particles will contain some amount of "information" and, therefore, will have some kind of evolutionary potential. Such a belief is gratuitous and naive, to say the least, when all real experience indicates the exact opposite. That is, it is far easier and more common to generate something disordered and useless than something organized and functioning.
One cannot simply pull a working system out of a hat full of random particles. The system must possess the requisite "information" before it can get anywhere or do anything constructive. It must be organized in some kind of pattern, and patterns do not usually appear spontaneously. They are not inevitable, as the above evolutionary argument implies, but extremely rare.
For example, although one could arrange the ten flash cards in a number of possible "ordered" patterns, the number is quite limited. There seems to be a certain amount of "information" in each of the arrangements shown below, but it is obvious that arrangements (b) and (c) are more "ordered," containing more information than any of the others. Arrangement (a), as noted earlier, contains no real order or information—it is strictly "random." No doubt a few other arrangements could be devised with a small amount of order to them, but only a few (See Figure 2).
To be generous, however, let us assume that as many as 100 patterns could be devised for the ten cards which would contain some modicum of order. Each of these would have some amount of "information" and therefore, might theoretically be able to specify some sort of wobbly function. This is entirely speculative, of course, since the only one which is known to be functional is the ideal pattern, as defined in arrangement (b).
Even at best, however, there would be only 100 possible functional arrangements, leaving 3,628,700 completely unordered, and, therefore, non-functional arrangements, a ratio of over 36,000 to one. That is, the odds are at least 36,000 to one against any random assemblage of ten components into a meaningful system, which could possibly serve as a base or pattern for anything.
This simple examination merely confirms that which is intuitively obvious anyhow, namely, that disorder in a system is tremendously more probable than any kind of order in that system -- not only one specific pattern, but any kind of pattern! Furthermore, this improbability increases as the number of components in the system increases (See Figure 3).
The number of ordered arrangements shown in the table is somewhat arbitrary, of course, but certainly generous. In any event, it is very clear that the probability of the chance occurrence of any kind of "information" in a system is very small, and that this probability rapidly diminishes as the complexity of the system increases.
This means that, whenever one sees any kind of real ordered complexity in nature, particularly as found in living systems, he can be sure this complexity was designed.
One must conclude that, contrary to the established and current wisdom, a scenario describing the genesis of life on earth by chance and natural causes which can be accepted on the basis of fact and not faith has not yet been written.3
I believed we developed this practice (i.e., of postulating prebiological natural selection) to avoid facing the conclusion that the probability of a self-replicating state is zero… When for practical purposes the concept of infinite time and matter has to be invoked, that concept of probability is annulled.4
There is still one other evolutionary equivocation to be noted, however. What chance cannot accomplish, evolutionists glibly attribute to natural selection.
So natural selection as a process is okay. We are also pretty sure that it goes on in nature although good examples are surprisingly rare. The best evidence comes from the many cases where it can be shown that biological structures have been optimized—that is, structures that represent optimal engineering solutions to the problems that an animal has of feeding or escaping predators or generally functioning in its environment ...The presence of these optimal structures does not, of course, prove that they developed through natural selection, but it does provide strong circumstantial argument.5
This is a rather typical example of the way evolutionists bypass even the strongest evidences for design. Dr. Raup, with his doctorate from Harvard, is a highly competent geologist, serving as Curator of Geology at Chicago's great Field Museum, and formerly as Professor of Geology at the University of Rochester. He candidly acknowledges the complete absence of transitional forms in the fossil record and the complete absence of evidence for observable progressive evolution.
Instead of finding the gradual unfolding of life, what geologists of Darwin's time, and geologists of the present day actually find is a highly uneven or jerky record; that is, species appear in the sequence very suddenly, show little or no change during their existence in the record, then abruptly go out of the record. And it is not always clear, in fact it's rarely clear, that the descendants were actually better adapted than their predecessors. In other words, biological improvement is hard to find.6
Thus, in spite of the utter lack of evidence in either living populations or the fossil record that natural selection ever generates higher orders of complexity (or "biological improvement," or "better adaptation") the mere existence of "optimal structures" is taken by evolutionists as confirmation of the remarkable power of natural selection!
But, of course, such a process as natural selection does not even exist at the prebiological level! Whatever effect selection may possibly have had on random processes in later biological reproduction, it is clear beyond any rational argument that chance processes could never have produced even the simplest forms of life in the first place. Without a living God to create life, the laws of probability and complexity prove beyond doubt that life could never come into existence at all.
REFERENCES/source: https://www.icr.org/article/probability-order-versus-evolution/
@chimeroid: To begin with I feel like I should specify that I mean intelligent life, the existence of non-earth based living microbes has already been detected.
It's the alien life forms on par or above human civilization level which we I don't believe exist. Mostly because our modern satellites and observatory which can see as far as 13 billion light years away from earth, would have caught something by now
Curious, could you provide your information source establishing microbes away from the earth? This is just a blanket claim, as far as I can tell, although I vaguely remember something that's sort of being made out as precursor for microbial life, but, it's just sheer speculation, not something that's established; I can imagine the Noah Flood being so violent that matter from earth got jettisoned into space; I'd then attribute this for something like finding water somewhere else, but, there's a way to find out whether it's earth water or another source for the water.
Life from Space?
For decades, a number of evolutionists have found it to be unlikely that life evolved from nonlife here on earth. Although they are the minority, they list solid scientific reasons why such an event is effectively impossible (e.g. Origins: A Skeptic's Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, Robert Shapiro, 1986).
For instance, Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe and his colleagues at Cardiff University's Centre for Astrobiology in Wales maintain that comets are the source of present life on Earth. This theory is called panspermia and has in fact existed for decades.
Interestingly, the British scientists "calculate the odds of life starting on Earth rather than inside a comet at one trillion trillion (10 to the power of 24) to one against."
Creation scientists agree. Life on Earth springing from rock, water and raw, unfiltered sunlight simply will not happen--no matter how long Darwinists posit. To remove the "spontaneous abiogenesis" problem and place it on a comet does not help. As Paul von Ragué Schleyer, Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry at the University of Georgia, stated, "Asteroids may have brought |biomolecules forming DNA| from outer space, but how did biomolecules form there?"
Professor Wickramasinghe stated, "We now have a mechanism for how it could have happened. All the necessary elements--clay, organic molecules and water--are there. The longer time scale and the greater mass of comets make it overwhelmingly more likely that life began in space than on earth."
Creationists counter that a junkyard has "all the necessary elements" to make a car--but an orderly mechanism must bring these various items together--and long time periods and chance are not a mechanism. Would you board an airliner that was randomly assembled over long periods of time? Buckle up!
As we continue to study life at the cellular level (bacteria and protozoa) we find that "simple life" is an oxymoron. Everything about life is amazingly complex. Mixing clay, organic molecules and water and waiting for millions of years will result in toxic tar 100 percent of the time.
Life comes only from life (John 14:6). Source: https://www.icr.org/article/life-from-space
Perhaps there is aquatic life on planets with water that orbits another Star out there light years away from us. We won’t know until our scientist build spacecraft with LS thrusters.
But as far as our own solar system no. The planets that orbit the Sun besides earth all have unfit living conditions for mammals / insects / reptiles / fish to survive under. Planets are either Gas Worlds with a small percentage of the world with having a small surface. Or ice worlds too cold for any animal to continuously live under for more than a few days. Or finally too hot and Low food rate for survival in the environment for any known earth animal. Unless they had around 8 x the heat resistance as camels. Or 4 x the cold resistance as polar bears.
Yeah, to me there's even a chance we are probably too primitive to know what counts as life and whether we can perceive it and its development like living cells, possibly abstract or abstract-like things, and other beings. We don't know everything and we're still learning.
Well, some bacterium may have survived a rocket sent from Earth on Mars or a piece of Earth that was knocked into space by a meteorite may have microbial Earth born life on it. The reason that Francis Crick, who co-discovered DNA thought life had to originate via panspermia was because of the complexity of the simplest life forms DNA. He said, 'An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.’
Well, some bacterium may have survived a rocket sent from Earth on Mars or a piece of Earth that was knocked into space by a meteorite may have microbial Earth born life on it. The reason that Francis Crick, who co-discovered DNA thought life had to originate via panspermia was because of the complexity of the simplest life forms DNA. He said, 'An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.’
I always reflect back on the time when I was required to participate in a contest in school, while having to complete a science project school assignment; I was so full of humility then, that I was not completely into participating in the science project, but, I did mines on the concept of panspermia (e.g. at the same time, I really procrastinated and was almost too late; done at the last minute, although I had envisioned the concept of panspermia very early on, right after the announcement, but hearing that it was goin to be a contest, I really slacked up); I believe I was somewhere like fourth grade; everyone laugh me away as a joke; but, then soon, look where we are now with this concept of panspermia (e.g. and this is one pf several examples); again, most likely, both the Creation Week event and the Noah Flood is lie what jettisoned material from earth into space, including water, in case of Creation Week.
@killianduclark said:
@chimeroid: To begin with I feel like I should specify that I mean intelligent life, the existence of non-earth based living microbes has already been detected.
It's the alien life forms on par or above human civilization level which we I don't believe exist. Mostly because our modern satellites and observatory which can see as far as 13 billion light years away from earth, would have caught something by now
Wait seriously? When?
A few trillion galaxies each with hundreds of billions of stars, the odds of us being alone are so small. Intelligent life would still be rare relatively speaking but life in general should be out there.
Every solar system has probably planets and in our galaxy, their are at bare minimum billions if not 100 of billions of solar systems that hold planets and other stuff. In one of them there must be live, at least bacterium or microbs.
Now, if we have already a big amount of stars in our galaxy that one of that could potentially hold a planet with life in it, imagine now there are more galaxys than sandcorns on earth in our universe, one of them must have life.
I think the first life we will discover are probably microbs.
Answer: I do believe there is live outside.
Definitely, I'm not sure if I'd dismiss the whole "yeah but not as smart as us" considering how we've acted historically towards one another and the fact that these weird, UFO sightings the past 10 years or so especially with odd shaped objects, moving at insane speeds that disappear who's to say they're not aliens with far more advanced tech than us? Things don't just pop up out of nowhere then disappear...but who knows. I believe the government in general knows more about it than we know publically.
Please Log In to post.
Log in to comment