Do You Believe In Gender Roles?

First off -- it was you who brought forward the idea that female soldiers are in the front lines (infantry) in the British Army as medics. You. Here. Let me help you remember:

And in the UK women are funnily enough not allowed in the UK infantry ( I think? ) But they are on the front-line as medical infantry...or something like that, so they have always been allowed on the front-line just not conventionally.

Women have not and are not allowed to be medical infantry. As in, close combat. So no, they have not always been allowed on the front line, just not conventionally (your words). Ever. So either you mean to tell me they served as doctors and nurses away from close combat (which they have) or they haven't because that was the distinction I made. You tangent about different countries, yours/mine/hers/his was unnecessary and frankly, confusing as you were the one to bring it up in the first place.

Canada allows females in its infantry -- as does New Zealand and a handful of other countries. Not yours though. That was my point -- not conventionally or otherwise. Continued discussion here is again, irrelevant.

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Now, I will attempt to keep this brief. You continue to make the same accusations and assertions which continue to fail in shoring up your claims. Your claims, not mine. Remember, you are the one who asserted standards being lowered are risking lives just to accommodate "unqualified" women. I sincerely have no idea how you are failing to comprehend the report's findings and furthermore, assert I have taken anything out of context when I have been very clear. Very. The report has repeatedly stated that to have a special standard for women is discriminatory towards men. It has repeatedly stated that any indirect discrimination on the part of fitness tests deemed necessary to the carrying out of a specific job is a defensible position.

You might not like what your government says or does, but the Winsor Report has not been generated by some arm-chair critic:

"Tom Winsor, working very closely with a former chief constable, Sir Edward Crew, was chosen to provide an independent and unbiased view on how best to bring police pay and conditions into the 21st century. He was asked to approach the task with a professional and analytical rigour and carried out a detailed evidence gathering process including requesting data from all 43 police forces in England and Wales, meeting officers at all ranks, carrying out consultations and referring to a large number of reports, case law and other papers as detailed in the appendices in his reports."

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It's like you are chasing your own tail.)

Job Related Fitness Tests for Police Officer Specialist Posts

This above was a study sponsored and requested by the Police Advisory Board (Police Force). Interesting read. This is a bit of relevant information as well -- 15 police forces took part voluntarily, 223 men and 52 females (it was originally 17). This is the breakdown of who participated:

Metropolitan Police Service, Devon and Cornwall, North Wales, West Midlands, Staffordshire, Cleveland, Strathclyde and Lothian Borders, South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, Avon and Somerset, Greater Manchester Police, Merseyside, Durham, Northumbria, Cambridgeshire

I think that's a better representation compared to your select group, yes? In this exhaustive and thorough report they were able to recommend specific fitness test requirements for each specialty, above and beyond the standard expected of every constable (who will be expected to pass annually starting this September). The annual test is for fitness, not self defense. Comprised of three components - a run under a specified amount of time and the ability to push/pull a certain weight. Gender neutral of course - as is all fitness tests required of your country's police force.

Here's another lovely bit of reading:

The Association of Chief Police Officers - Implementation Guidance Report

...which took the above study and broke down costs, new standards etc and what it would entail in having the recommendations implemented.

Maybe the College of Policing website which reflects this might be more better for you?

There is this recent news article from earlier this year stating the fitness tests will be compulsory every year.

"...the Association of Chief Police Officers confirmed: ‘Compulsory annual fitness testing for all officers has been agreed and a working group is planning its implementation. Proposals on restricted duties are still under discussion.’"

Your emotional arguments aside (gee -- thanks for the visual but every police officer's life is in danger the moment they start their shift -- actually -- ALL the time because many have lost their lives while off duty in the pursuit of criminals) I have done nothing but provide information to which you have decided to disregard and/or discard as not credible. That's on you. I happen to rely on information and it was easily found (and very, very interesting so this was not a wasted effort -- I love learning) but until you can provide me proof that a physical standard has been lowered to a level to accommodate women resulting in loss of life, there is nothing more to contribute.

I appreciate you will be responding but I am comfortable ending my participation here in our discussion as I have more than provided enough proof of not just patience in hopes you would address my above question (you have not) but also in sticking to quantified, demonstrable information and documentation to illustrate my points. I challenged your assertion that standards were lowered to the point of life or death and you failed to back up that statement.